Talk:Into You (Ariana Grande song)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 05:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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I will start this review shortly! --K. Peake 05:10, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

  • Recording date in the infobox is unsourced
  • Pipe MXM to Maratone Studios
  • Add Wolf Cousins to the studio parameter
  • Pipe Stockholm, Sweden to Stockholm
  • Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox song
  • Remove wikilink on the word album per obviousness
  • Shouldn't Ilya be written as her stage name like she's listed as a producer?
  • "by digital download on" → "for digital download on" with the pipe, plus the initial release was as the second single so reword to show this before changing to something specifying that it was later also released to the radio stations mentioned
  • "on June 28, 2016" → "on June 28" per the year being earlier in the sentence
  • ""Into You" is a" → "It is a"
  • "electro and EDM song and features" → "electro, and EDM song that features"
  •  Not done why was the genre removed? --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the quotes for the following part because that's too much detail for the lead; only keep the club beat, synths, and sharp clicks
  • Add a sentence afterwards mentioning the song's lyrical meaning
  • Rather than writing directly after the statement about positive reviews that the song was a commercial success, mention what critics praised about it
  • Why has reception been removed from the lead? Also, it should be before the commercial stats. --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure. I re-added the positive reviews sentence, and also added that critics praised the song's production and lyrics, as almost every review in Release and reception was either talking highly about the production or the lyrics. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • "peaked at number 1" → "peaked at number one" per MOS:NUM
  • Pipe New Zealand Singles Chart to Official New Zealand Music Chart
  • "number eleven on the" → "number 11 on the" but I am confused; why are top 10 positions mentioned after this sentence which lists ones that reached lower than number 10? You could maybe mention some of the positions outside this ranking in the sentence saying where the song also reached the top 10 in, then keep the top 20 sentence on its own maybe with the current lot?
    • The US (Billboard), the UK and New Zealand are pretty big music markets, so it makes sense to give them priority, even if the chart positions are lower. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • I don't think this is the correct way to order things for GAs, though. --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "number 13 on the US Billboard Hot 100 and" → "number 13 on the US Billboard Hot 100, and"
  • "It also attained top-ten peaks in" → "The song also attained top-10 peaks in"
  • "Ireland, Iceland, Latvia," → "Iceland, Ireland, Latvia,"
  • "Scotland and Slovakia." → "Scotland, and Slovakia."
  • Make sure all of the chart positions are written out in the body; I will give more instructions further on
  • ""Into You" is certified Gold or higher in fourteen countries including Diamond" → "It has been certified gold or higher in 14 countries, including diamond"
  • Mention the Brazil certification body by name
    • I have removed this entirely as it doesn't seem to be true. It is not referenced in the body, and I checked ProMusicaeBrazil's certification database and "Into You" going diamond did not show up anywhere. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Maybe mention a certification included in the gold or higher ones though? --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Japan Hot 100 position is not notable for a song this successful, as it's below the top 20
  • "The accompanying music video for "Into You" was directed" → "The accompanying music video was directed"
  • Write about the synopsis at the end of this sentence, plus move the awards into a different sentence
  • "at the 2016 MTV Video Music Awards." → "at the 2016 MTV Video Music Awards, including Best Female Video." with the pipe
  • Pipe season 10 to The Voice (American season 10)
  • Pipe The Voice to The Voice (American TV series)
  • The inclusion in the game is not notable for the lead, plus it needs to be written in the body either way; I would suggest moving this to the Remixes section and will list a title for that later on related to culture probably
  • The gay anthem part should be written out in the body too and move the sources solely there; maybe in the soon to be titled culture section?

Background and composition[edit]

  • Try to add some background information, like what was Grande's involvement with any of the musicians before this?
    • I can't find anything that is stated in sources. Would you like me to IAR and add the songs Grande and the collaborators worked on together before "Into You" or should I leave it? D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • You could add a few of her collaborations with at least one of the contributors. --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This actually needs source(s) mentioning it, as do the songwriters/producers. --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cited the first sentence (songwriters and credits) to Dangerous Woman's liner notes, and cited the second sentence (previous collaboration) to My Everything's liner notes. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Grande should be listed first under songwriters because this is her song
  • You should use the mononym for Ilya for songwriters since otherwise, it looks like you use her forename intentionally later on
  • The last and needs a comma before it per American English
  • Pipe programming to Programming (music)
  • Pipe keys to Key (music)
  • Yes, pipe to the actual article of musical instrument this refers to. --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "percussion and background vocals" → "percussion, and background vocals" with the pipe
  • "also provided background vocals." → "also provided backing vocals." to be less repetitive
  • The sheet music and vocal range should be after the sentence listing the song's genres
  • Wikilink sheet music
  • ""Into You" is a" → "Musically, "Into You" is a"
  • Add the word featuring before the quote in the above sentence
  • Pipe synths to Synthesizer
  • "and sharp clicks."" → "and sharp clicks"." per MOS:QUOTE
  • "thumping chorus,"[12] where" → "thumping chorus",[12] where" with the pipe
  • Wikilink disco on the first mention instead
  • "hook," as noted by" → "hook", as noted by"
  • ""new-age disco beats."" → ""new-age disco beats"." with the pipe
  • Mention the bassline and falsetto per 4
    •  Partly done - The source's mention of the bassline was for the song "Greedy", so I didn't add that, but I added the falsetto part. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • "make a move."" → "make a move"."
  • Remove or replace Plugged In since that's unreliable due to being a conservative Christian source
  • Digital Spy should not be italicised
  • Add release years of the three songs mentioned after this in brackets
  • "were made in the chorus," → "that are made on the chorus," plus if you don't replace Plugged In, change the following part to "where Grande sings their titles together."

Critical reception[edit]

  • Retitle to Release and reception
  • Since everything in the lead has to be written and sourced in the body, mention the song's May 6, 2016 pre-order release here before writing about it being serviced to radio
  • Wasn't the May 6 release a single one? If not, then change the release date in the infobox since you are using the single template. --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think it was. A song doesn't impact radio for the first time almost two months after its first release as a single. Changed the Infobox date. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Remove the AllMusic review altogether since it does not call the song an album highlight plus focuses on all the tracks produced by Martin and Ilya
  • "stated that it" → "stated that the track"
  • Fix MOS:QUOTE issues throughout this section; does not apply when it's a full sentence though
  • Add — on both sides of "or blame" per the source
  • Remove wikilink on Max Martin
  • "Complex's Jessie Morris praised the overall production" → "Morris praised the overall production"
  • "production" and calling it "irresistible."" → "production", and called it "irresistible"."
  • Italicise Idolator
  • Remove pipe on EDM
  • Remove wikilink on Digital Spy
  • "that the song had" → "that it has"
  • "Jessica Goodman of Entertainment Weekly also praised" → "Goodman also praised"
  • "added that the song" → "said the song"
  • "called it a "club" → "called "Into You" a "[c]lub" per the altering of source's capitalisation
  • "named it a "standout"." → "named it a standout on Dangerous Woman."
  • Try to use ways of introducing the reviewers without using "of" at points in this para, as it reads repetitively being overused
  • "to call it "Grande's best single since 'Love Me Harder.'"" → "to call it potentially Grande's best single since "Love Me Harder (2014)." since stuff like this does not need to be in speech marks
  • "analysed that the song" → "analyzed that the song"
  • Italicise The Arizona Republic
  • "said the single" → "said the song"
  • Put more of the Spin review into your own words
    • Can you specify which part of the sentence? I can't think of what else to put into my own words. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • It is fine now, the review has been put more into own words since before. --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove pipe on Billboard
  • "at number 6 on" → "at number six on" per MOS:NUM
  • Remove pipe on Pitchfork
  • Why is [32] at the end of the second sentence when it's not used for any of that info?

Commercial performance[edit]

  • "debuted on the US" → "entered the US" plus mention the issue date of this entry
  • "fell off the chart in its second week." → "exited the Hot 100 afterwards."
  • "June 11, 2016 and then moved up to" → "June 11, 2016, before moving up to"
  • "The single stayed near the top 40 for a few weeks before leaping from 41 to 33 in its ninth week on the chart." → ""Into You" failed to reach the top-40 until it climbed from number 41 to number 33 on the Hot 100 issue dated July 30, 2016."
  • "The single surged from number 33 to 24" → "The song rose from number 33 to number 24"
  • "In its thirteenth week on the chart, dated August 27," → "In its 13th week on the chart, dated August 27, 2016," per MOS:NUM
  • "from 22 to a new peak of number 13 in the US," → "from number 22 to a new peak of number 13,"
  • Cite Grande's Hot 100 chart history after the two weeks and second top 20 stats since they are not sourced right now
  • "this became her second top 20" → "this stood as her second top-20"
  • Remove wikilink on Dangerous Woman
  • "in the country, and has been certified quadruple platinum" → "in the United States, where it has been certified quadruple platinum" plus mention the certification body's full name and how many units have been amassed for the certification
  • Add the RIAA citation at the end of the sentence by using a refname
  • In the para below the US one, you need to reference more chart positions; I would suggest just doing the top-20 ones since the song charted in many countries so only these ones are notable, plus not all of them need the exact position written out once you get to the lower 20s so by then state the countries but just mention it was top 20 positions.
  • "but has since gone on" → "but later went on"
  • "making it her sixth UK top 20" → "making it Grande's sixth UK top-20"
  • "at number 46 before" → "at number 46, before"
  • "at number eleven, where it remained for" → "at number 11, remaining at this position for"
  • "top-ten, peaking at number nine, in" → "top-10, peaking at number nine in"
  • "It became her fourth top-ten single" → "The song became Grande's fourth top-10 single"

Music video[edit]

  • Retitle to Music video and promotion since this section is short enough to merge with live performances
  • "the music video made its premiere on May 24, 2016 at midnight" → "the song's music video made its premiere on at midnight May 24, 2016." with the wikilink, plus invoke the Vevo ref after this sentence to back up the release on that platform
  • Mention that Grande teased the video hours before release with photos per Billboard
  • "eleventh Vevo-certified music video" → "10th Vevo-certified music video." per MOS:NUM and the correct source
    • I removed this sentence entirely. There is consensus that Headline Planet is unreliable, and the other two sources (Vevo and YouTube) don't back up when the music video reached 100 million views. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Don't think the after part is needed when she's had a good number of certified videos before
  • Remove the 800 million views count unless you can replace the source because YouTube is constantly updating stats
  • Move the nominations to being after the synopsis info, which should not have a sub-section due to the suggested merger
  • "on the screen with" → "on the screen, with"
  • Since MOS:PLOTSOURCE only says the summary does not need to be sourced, a good amount of the synopsis needs sourcing; see refs to use from a Google search
  • "continues with them being together and then entering" → "continues with them together and they go on to enter"
  • "and out the motel." → "and outside the motel."
  • "in other things but" → "in other things, but"
  • "sees the other man" → "sees the man" to be less repetitive
  • "and leaves with Benjamin" → "and leaves, with Benjamin"
  • "They then stay together after" → "The two stay together after"
  • "Grande riding on the back of a motorcycle with Benjamin as shown in the beginning." → "Grande and Benjamin riding on a motorcycle, as is shown in the beginning."

Live performances[edit]

  • Make this a para of the suggested section below the music video info, but not as a sub-section
  • At the start of this para, write about the lyric video since it came out after the music video and there are considerable sources 1 2
  • Remove The 2016 Delete Blood Cancer Gala performance since it is unsourced and I can't find any publications that mention the song being performed there
  • "She performed her first televised performance" → "Grande delivered her first performance"
  • Mention the performance being a medley per Billboard, also you can add another sentence about details like the dancers and pyro per the refs that listed it as one of the best performances of the night
  •  Partly done no mention of dancers and pyro --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Billboard talks about backup dancers and pink smoke, so I added those. Time doesn't mention any details, and Rolling Stone is subscription based, so I can't access it. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)

Remixes[edit]

  • Retitle to In popular culture; move the video game inclusion to being at the start of this section with a source and gay anthem info to being at the end
  • "featuring American rapper" → "that features American rapper" plus mention the remix being by Alex Ghenea
  • None of the info after the SoundCloud release is backed up; add the appropriate sources like the one in the article for 3LAU or remove if you can't
  •  Not done
  •  Partly done I sourced the "The Way" release, but "My Favorite Part" was released after "Into You", so I removed that entirely as the sentence is about previous collaborations. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Remove comma after 2013 single
  • I don't think the "many times" sentence is notable

Credits and personnel[edit]

Track listing[edit]

  • Good

Charts[edit]

Weekly charts[edit]

  • Europe (Euro Digital Songs) → Euro Digital Songs (Billboard)
  • The charts for Finland are not displayed by the source; add a ref instead with an archive if there's a working link
  • Pipe Latvijas Top 40 to Latvijas Radio
  • Lebanese Top 20 position is not mentioned by the source
  • Should the radio chart for Slovakia be included when the singles one already is?
    •  Done. I converted both of the Finnish charts to plain wikitext and I added the archive URLs. I also removed both the Lebanese and Slovak Radio charts. Since these two were top 20 positions, I also removed them from the lead and Commercial performance sections. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 19:26, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You removed the wrong chart for Slovakia. --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I replaced the radio chart with the correct one, and also added Slovakia back to the lead and commercial performance sections due to the peak being in the top 20. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)

Year-end charts[edit]

  • Good

Certifications[edit]

  • Good

Radio and release history[edit]

  • Retitle to Release history
  • Add the May 6 release here
  • Are you sure the remixes weren't released in various territories and if so, try to find citations to add?
    •  Done. The May 6 release is not an independent one (it was only released as part of the album pre-order), so it should not be added to the table. The remixes are available in various territories, and I edited the article to reflect that. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 19:13, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  • Copyvio score looks fairly decent at 37.5%; ignore the flagged URLs since none are cited in this article
  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
  • Cite Pride.com as publisher instead for ref 2 and pipe to Here Media
  • Remove the author from ref 3 since Grande did not publish the music, plus fix MOS:QWQ issues and cite Musicnotes.com as publisher instead
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 6 and 10
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues and WP:OVERLINK of The Atlantic on ref 9
  • Wikilink Digital Spy on ref 11
  • Fix MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues with ref 12
  • Remove or replace ref 16 per the fundamental Christian source being unreliable
  • Remove Slant Magazine from the title of ref 17
  • Cite AllMusic as publisher instead for ref 18, replacing the current one and authorlink Stephen Thomas Erlewine
  • Cite The Verge as work/website instead for ref 19
  • Ref 20 is a duplicate of ref 13
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues and WP:OVERLINK of Idolator on ref 21
  • Cite Digital Spy as publisher instead for ref 22, removing the wikilink
  • Pitchfork Media → Pitchfork on ref 25, piping to Pitchfork (website)
  • WP:OVERLINK of Rolling Stone on refs 23 and 54, plus cite as work/website and remove from the title for the former
  • Cite the author's last name before their on ref 27 for consistency
  • Cite Billboard as work/website instead for ref 30
  •  Not done this is still missing work/website (chart archive one) --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pitchfork Media → Pitchfork on ref 31, citing as work/website instead
  • Ref 32 is a duplicate of ref 30
  • Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 33, plus cite The Village Voice instead as work/website and with the wikilink
  • Cite Billboard for ref 35 plus shouldn't the title use the same formatting for the date as ref 36?
  • WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on refs 41, 46, 53, 73, 78, 117 and 118
  • Remove Vevo from the title of ref 47 and wikilink it as publisher, plus add YouTube in the via parameter
  • Replace ref 48 with the actual article, especially since it's from the same publication that sent out the tweet
    •  Not done – Like I said above, Headline Planet is unreliable and I have already removed that part. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Pipe Time to Time (magazine) on ref 51 instead of ref 55
  • Replace ref 52 with the Billboard citation because that is a direct source and the one that mentions the medley
  • Wikilink Orlando Sentinel on ref 56 and remove the publisher
  • Cite Capital FM as publisher instead for ref 57
  • Wikilink SoundCloud on ref 58
  • Fix MOS:CAPS issues with ref 60, plus maybe add the various citations template for this and ref 61 if it's possible
  • WP:OVERLINK of iTunes on ref 61
  • Hitlisten.NU → Hitlisten on refs 72 and 109, plus wikilink on the former
  • Replace refs 74 and 75 with working URLs, or add archives using actual references since these ones are from the chart template
  • WP:OVERLINK of Monitor Latino on refs 79 and 105
  • Remove VG-lista from the title of ref 90
  • Use the certification table template to cite ref 122 instead of an actual reference
    •  Not done - the Denmark database is huge and doesn't go to a specific certification, so you have to scroll through three years of certifications to get to 2018 when the song was certified. Considering the fact that page 13 is still 2020, it would be much easier for the reader to have the archive link where the relevant certification is on page 1. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!)
  • Only cite publisher for ref 130
  • Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 137 and remove Republic Playbook from the title
    • Before I start going through the references, MOS:REFLINK says that links are fine to stay in citations. Is there another reason why you want the links to be removed? D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 23:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is the old revision of the article from the time at which I reviewed it, also I have read the reflink guideline but they are linked on some instances not others here which I don't understand? --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments and verdict[edit]

  •  On hold the article does have its fair share of problems but is definitely large enough not to be failed; happy I reviewed this quickly! --K. Peake 17:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Kyle Peake: I truly appreciate the time and effort you have put in to thoroughly review this article. I have done most of the changes you've mentioned, but there are simply too many requests for me to tackle alone, and this review has become too stressful for me to carry on with. I would like to pass this on to another editor or withdraw the nomination. Thank you. -- dylx 17:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dylx Thanks for beginning to implement the changes, there is a lot of them suggested because the article wasn't structured properly in a good number of areas. It is sad but understandable if you can not make edits anymore, though I would suggest looking at frequent members of the Ariana Grande WikiProject to find someone who can cover for you or any other Wiki user(s) you are in contact with that have good knowledge of Grande. --K. Peake 20:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kyle Peake: I saw that Dylx withdrew a GA nomination from 22 (Taylor Swift song) that had not been started, and I also saw on their userpage that they were going on vacation, so I decided to look through their contributions to see if I could help out with any nominations that had been started, and I found this. I would be more than happy to implement the rest of these changes, if that's okay with you. I will have all of them done by midnight UTC July 2. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 13:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Forgot to mention that I am part of the Ariana Grande WikiProject and I have a good knowledge of Grande. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 13:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doggy54321 Thanks for stepping up and I am definitely willing to allow you to implement the remaining changes, especially with your involvement in the Grande wikiproject! --K. Peake 20:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem! Thank you so much! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 21:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kyle Peake: Sorry, but I am going to need a bit more time to complete this. I thought I could finish it all today and then something came up off wiki that I had to attend to. I should have this done by July 4-5 at the latest. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 02:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doggy54321 I am fine with that, especially since I'm working today anyway. --K. Peake 05:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kyle Peake: I am done the first round of edits. I have left some notes for you, so if you could respond to them, that would be great! Additionally, since I have added and removed references, the ref numbers in the References section are no longer accurate. Would you mind going through them and changing them to the correct numbers so I can make the corrections? Thanks so much! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 20:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doggy54321 Thank you for beginning to go over my points, I have left comments in response where you need help but mentioned you here rather than on each instance to avoid sending too many notifications. --K. Peake 07:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Kyle Peake: I have finished the References section (with the exception of the archived links as the bot is still running), as well as the second round of comments. Thanks! Update: IABot has finished. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 20:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC) (updated 20:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC))[reply]
  • Doggy54321 For the Denmark certification, you can use the entry template and add the ID to kill the boredom that having to scroll would cause; take "Famous" for example. Also, I will do a read-through soon but one thing that sticks out is in the lead, some chart positions are in a separate third para when they should be with the rest. --K. Peake 07:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will do! I'll move the chart positions so that they are with the rest of them as well. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 13:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doggy54321 I have done a read through now and left comments where things have been missed, as well as handled some slight copy editing. --K. Peake 10:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doggy54321 ✓ Pass time nearly a month after I opened the review, thanks for taking on the nominator's role and I did some slight copy editing where it was needed! --K. Peake 06:31, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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