Talk:HMS Glorious/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Haus^Talk 00:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Well written, illustrated, cited, and a very nice job of WP:BTW. I'm sure it will pass in short order. Some quibbles I'd like to bring up for discussion before signing off on the article:

Lede

• "recalled home" seems redundant. Consider recalled or called home?
  • Fixed
• Furious with -> Furious, which had?
  • Indeed
• recalled home again
  • I only saw this once.
    • My bad.
• Last sentence of lede uses "she" twice in quick succession. Consider mixing it up a bit?
  • Done

Genesis

• Genesis seems a little melodramatic. Is there precedent for it? Construction maybe?
  • Renamed
• "To obtain ships...he settled on ships." Good candidate for rewording.
  • Done
• I wonder if draught is "maximum draught" or equiv. "deep draught"? If the reference doesn't specify, I'll strike this comment.
  • What exact usage are you referring to?
    • In retrospect, my concern is a side effect of another ship GA review I did recently. Draft, by itself means deep or maximum draft, so it's unambiguous. As long as this matches what Roberts said, it's fine.

Conversion

• Link capital ship?
  • Done.
• Link starboard?
  • Done

Sinking

• I understand Guy D'Oyly-Hughes was the ship's captain. Do you know his rank at the time? Given that the air captain was a CDR, it seems likely he was a CAPT at the time.
  • His rank, although unlinked, was given in the first sentence of this section.
    • The confusion, of course, is between the position captain ("the old man") and the rank captain. Right now, with the help of the wikilink, the text says his rank was CAPT but doesn't explicitly say he was the captain of the ship.
      • note on rank: In the Royal Navy all capital ships have a commanding officer with the rank of Captain. The senior aviator in aircraft carriers (J.B. Heath in this case) is Commander (Flying) with the rank of Commander. Admirals when on board 'fly their flag' in a particular ship, the Flagship, of which the commanding officer is the Flag Captain, and do not interfere in the running of the ship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historikeren (talk • contribs) 13:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
      • I tweaked this sentence a bit. Haus^Talk 14:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
• Why do we believe this is the last picture? Is this supported by a RS?
  • I'm not aware of any later photos, but I can't source it off-hand. I've reworded the caption.
• Link court martial?
  • Done
• Link engine room?
  • And Done

External links

• These aren't as descriptive as those for the Lion or Courageous class articles. Can you take another whack at them? I'll look at them again tomorrow and see if I can say something more concrete about them.
  • These are fine now. Haus^Talk 14:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Other

• I've recently started using {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}, it's worth a look, but just a suggestion.
• Is there a citation for 32kts/30kts in the infobox? I don't see it mentioned in the text.

• • You're right; I've added that info to the main body.
• The second general characteristics infobox links (o/a), and it's omitted in the first.
  • Fixed.

Cheers, Haus^Talk 00:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, there are plenty more if you feel up to it! :-) Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure — it's almost there. When the coffee reaches the brain, I'll take another look at the external links. Cheers. Haus^Talk 12:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Pass. Well done, Haus^Talk 14:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)