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discussion moved and continuing at Talk:GAA (disambiguation)#Requested move --John (User:Jwy/talk) 01:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page is a redirect to the disambiguation page as there are many GAAs. Please leave it as this redirect. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gaelic Athletic Association is the primary usage . It's been like such for 7 years Gnevin (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There seem to be other valid examples of GAA. Why force persons looking for those terms to have to go through the Association page? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because like BBC it's the primary usage Gnevin (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of it before visiting this page. Where is this GAA known? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I ain't going to read the article and convey its meaning too you. Gnevin (talk) 19:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're -promoting- this organization beyond its relevance. This GAA is just one of several meanings of the acronym. On what basis have you decided it is the primary usage? It is not like GAA has no other prominent meaning. Goalkeepers win or lose trophies based on their goals against average, worldwide, in several sports. Possibly even in the GAA. Who's got the best GAA in the GAA? :-) ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A simple google will show that it the primary usage.[1] I gave up after 12 page of looking for goals against average. Also on the bases that it was like it was for 7 years Gnevin (talk) 19:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Compare this - a google of "Gaelic Athletic Association": 204,000, versus "goals against average": 18,700,000. That would be the opposite of your search. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And GAA is a non-specific search, -- it gets all sorts of GAA result from non-gaelic sources. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But we are discussing the primary usage of GAA not Gaelic Athletic Association or goals against average and Goals produces 338,000 not 18,700,000 [2].

Anyway open up a RM if you think I'm wrong Gnevin (talk) 19:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More results:

Using advanced search on Google:

"Gaelic Athletic Association" --113,000
"goals against average" -- 408,000
"Gay Activists Alliance" -- 47,000
"Generic Authentication Architecture" -- 6,280
"Global Action on Aging" -- 10,300
"Acid alpha-glucosidase" -- 1,050,000

This places the Gaelic association third. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I ain't getting into a google of with you Gnevin (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not pushing for GAA to point to goals against average, only that GAA is more properly a disambiguation page, based on world-wide English usage. I sincerely believe that is the best use for the acronym here on Wikipedia. I don't believe it in any way diminishes the Gaelic association. All articles should not use the [[GAA]] link, but should use the appropriate disambiguated meaning. Then wikipedia doesn't have to do a redirect, and a 'mouse-over' of the link at least shows the meaning of the acronym. So, there is no reason for anyone to 'hold on' to the acronym. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 19:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A quick look at the wikipedia usage statistics seem to point against a change (IMO): The GAA page got 2225 hits http://stats.grok.se/en/201005/GAA (those people went to Gaelic Athletic Association). GAA (disambiguation) had only 174 hits (http://stats.grok.se/en/201005/GAA%20(disambiguation)). My interpretation is - since the only link to the dab page is from the the Gaelic Association page, more than 90% of the people who entered GAA were "happy" they got there and less than 10% clicked on the dab page. That would (to me) mean that the current set up is correct. (as a side note: if consensus supports the current setup, the dab page should be formatted to reflect that the association is the primary topic). --John (User:Jwy/talk) 22:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hang on - just looked at the history of GAA and see it has NOT been pointed at the association so this interpretation is off. Investigating. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 23:09, 15 June 2010 (UTC)~~[reply]

I'm confused. Last month, did GAA redirect to Gaelic Athletic Association? The history of GAA would seem to indicate it did not, but I'm not sure if I'm reading it right. And if it did not, I don't understand Gnavin's edit comment of "been like this for 7 years." Help! --John (User:Jwy/talk) 23:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it did last month. Gnevin is correct about it having redirected to the Gaelic Athletic Aassociation page for the last seven years. However, as far as I understand it, alaney2k changed the redirect to the disambiguation page recently and then put in a request for a speedy deletion of the redirect to allow the disambig to be moved here. Alaney's redirect change was reverted back to redirect to Gaelic Athletic Association. However (may have been more reverts or other edits I didn't see in between here) someone then deleted the page and the move was made only to be reverted back to the original redirect by Gnevin. The original redirect page's history going back seven years now appears to have been lost due to these events. By the way, I suggest copying your comment to Talk:GAA (disambiguation) as it appears that alaney has opened his requested move there. Tameamseo (talk) 23:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There were three occasions where people changed the redirect to point to the disambig page and Gnevin changed them back. I probably followed the wrong procedure. The requested move is probably what I should have followed from the start. Those stats that were mentioned probably just capture people going from Gaelic club sites to the GAA site, as the links all used the acronym rather than the full name link. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the edit history of GAA. -- JHunterJ (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. After a cache burp or something, I see it. It looks like it did redirect to the association for most of the time. My analysis would seem to stand (crossing out history questions). The only way to get to GAA (disambiguation) was via Gaelic Athletic Association. Less than 10% of the people who went through GAA chose to go to the dab page. No article currently links to GAA, so unless there has been a cleanup recently to switch links from GAA direct to the association, the only way to get to GAA is by entering it in the search box, so I still think the association is the primary topic. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 00:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I was saying above, I suggest you present your comment at Talk:GAA (disambiguation), and indeed any other editors their for/against comments, as that's where alaney was oopened a move request. Tameamseo (talk) 00:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it alright to just copy this over? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 00:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter to me. Move it either direction. Your DAB project pointer asked us to comment here. . . --John (User:Jwy/talk) 00:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, copying it over.

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