Talk:English football league system/Unknown

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Leagues of unknown status[edit]

I thought I would create a running list of Saturday leagues that we know exist, but don't know where to place in the pyramid. --Balerion 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting unwieldy, especially because I have a bunch to add, so I am going to sort them by region, i.e. probable Step 5 that it ultimately leads to.

Status has been determined[edit]

If those leagues aren't to be included, then the Leeds Red Triangle Football League and Yorkshire Old Boys League should be removed from the table, as they feed into those two leagues.... - ChrisTheDude 08:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the WRL and WYL should be included. The Surrey County Intermediate League (West), currently listed, is another example of a level 11 league that does not have Step 7 status. Long-term the FA may be looking to merge the WRL and WYL, which is why neither currently have Step 7 status at the moment. But I think we should list them at level 11. As I said before, they do send clubs to higher levels. --Balerion 13:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to be bold and add them in - there are a number of other examples of leagues which do appear in the table which don't actually have a formal promotion agreement but send teams up to a specific league occasionally. Talking to someone on the Bristol Downs League's message board it appears that that league has only sent two teams up in about the last ten years, and one of them hadn't even won the league, they just applied to a higher league because they thought they were good enough for it. And we have the Downs League listed as being in the pyramid.... - ChrisTheDude 19:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The merger is confirmed by this page - I will start working on a N&MHL article when I get a moment..... ChrisTheDude 21:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
...........and now I have :-) ChrisTheDude 22:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I Zingari Combination [8] - still seems to be going this season even though some sources say it merged with the Liverpool Combination to form the new Liverpool Premier League - not listed on thepyramid.info
    • The I Zingari Combination is still going, it was the I Zingari LEAGUE that merged with the Liverpool County Combination. The Combination was mainly for reserve sides - three of the four "first teams" in the Combination have transferred to the new league - Leyfields, Liobians and SacreCouer FP. Mexoc are still in the IZ Combination. I haven't checked properly if any of the other IZ Combination teams are now "first teams" - it looks like Chatsworth may be. I assume the IZ League and the IZ Combination were linked in some way, if not indeed two parts of the same whole. - fchd 18:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Far North[edit]

- no idea where any of these Wensleydale, Stokesley and Teesside would fit....ChrisTheDude 12:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wensleydale, Stokesley and Teesside would all undoubtedly fit under the larger umbrella of the Northern League and below that, possibly the Wearside League. I suspect the first two feed the Teesside, although I have nothing to back that up. --Balerion 01:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just checked and Hartlepool FC moved from the Teeside League to the Wearside League in 2004.... ChrisTheDude 00:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another data point, Richmond Mavericks of the Teeside League have an 'A' team in the Wensleydale League. Note that unlike the south, in the north an 'A' team often means 2nd team rather than 3rd. --Balerion 01:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

North West[edit]

I found this on this team's site: "We joined the league (the I Zingari League) this season (2002-3) after successfully navigating the Southport and District League - acheiving promotion but opting for the more challenging Liverpool set-up." This would suggest that the Southport League is indeed a Saturday league ChrisTheDude 09:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

North East[edit]

Midlands[edit]

Article added for this league today. - fchd (talk) 10:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Midlands (UCL + SSML)[edit]

East Anglia[edit]

Essex, Middlesex, Herts[edit]

South East[edit]

Wessex[edit]

Hellenic League area[edit]

South West[edit]

Note, with the admission of Bideford reserves and Merton from the Kingsley League to the N Devon League, the N Devon statement regards the Kingsley League as the same standard as their Division One. - fchd (talk) 10:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Birmingham AFA[edit]

I have had an e-mail from the secretary of this league who states:

"Unfortunately no, we are not part of the pyramid. We are a "stand alone" League or Association run by the member clubs. Our clubs can independently if they wish (and some have) apply if they think they are good enough to join the Comb or West Mids League etc but there is not set "right" even if they win our Premier."

So does that make them a "theoretical" level 13 (or thereabouts) league.....?

(He does go on to note that they were formed in 1908 and are one of the longest running amateur leagues in the UK, so they might be worth an article anyway if I get some spare time....) ChrisTheDude 07:32, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the Midland Football Combination extends a level further than the West Mids, so it would be a theoretical level 13 or 14, depending on which league. Sadly I think these theoretical ties are the norm for most leagues below step 7, with the exception of a few counties who have formed fairly ship-shape county pyramids. The Midlands region is a bit untidy at the moment - the Leics Senior League is Step 7, but effectively level 10. So does that make its feeders (Leics City League, Leicester & Dist, North Leics, Leics Comb) level 12 or level 13? We probably won't have a definitive answer until the FA finishes their reorganization of Step 7, which won't happen until they reorganize Step 5/6, which won't happen until they finish working on Step 4. Yikes. --Balerion 07:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They should get us in, we'd sort it out for them! :-) ChrisTheDude 07:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perry Street League[edit]

(cross-posted from the article's own talk page) What league does this league feed into and what evidence is there that it sits at level 14? It's nowhere to be found on thepyramid.info..... ChrisTheDude 12:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to an email sent to me on November 3, 2005 by Bob Brunt, secretary of said league: "1. The League does not promote into the Somerset County League 2. There are no feed between any leagues in to the Perry Street League". So, the league isn't at level 14 0- it's a standalone league. Presumabnly the level 14 was based on an old information. Tompw 14:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers for the update, Tom, I figured if anyone knew it would be you :-) I'll take it off the table on the article then, and add it to the list above of "non-pyramid" leagues ChrisTheDude 14:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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