Talk:Emilie Autumn/Archive 1

Cleanup needed

This wiki needs a major edit and clean up. Very unorganized.

I second this. I'll try to see if we can't move some stuff around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender666999 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh, ya think? Of course this site needs to be cleaned!!!~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress (talk • contribs) 09:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Haha, yeh I agree completely. I don't really think it needs to be cleaned up because it is unorganised, it needs a clean up because half of it is wrong. Emma kenny (talk) 10:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

emilie autumn is not a goth!

she is just one of many other money grabbing "stars"! what a flag... 188.21.126.98 (talk) 06:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

emilie autumn is torturing rats during her shows

There is no torturing of rats by EA. She loves them with all her heart. -CorrectingDumbPRS

i think we should write something about it here on wikipedia, so that there is anything "true" about her i have different sources about it. 188.45.15.15 (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC) I argee this must be added! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.189.247 (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

It should not be mentioned as there was no torture involved. They were just breifly on stage how does that qualify as torturing them?68.192.55.21 (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

She has cyanide lipstick and proceeds to kiss them! close enough!70.234.188.168 (talk) 22:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as my other comment was removed because of "Vandalism" I will re-edit it in a less vandalising manner. I really don't see how you would want to write that about her, seeing as she loves those rats and they mean the world to her, she would never hurt them. She is a vegan and would never hurt any animal, but especially not those rats, if you read her book you will find out how much they mean to her and also why they mean so much to her. So no you should definitely not write on this page that she tortured her rats, as it is completely false, maybe you should actually write how much she adores her little ratties!! Emma kenny (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with Emma. And if you, the people who are being stupid just for the fun of it, were her LOYAL muffins, you would know that.~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress (talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Instead of just saying how amazing she is and how she wouldn't hurt anyone and how stupid the people who said she might be hurting her rats, let me explain, all that happened is that she was holding them quite gently on stage, the speakers point towards the audience and it's very quiet on stage (hence the need for ear monitors) and Emilie would have known this having been on stage countless times. --Yayamaya (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Inaccurate musical/historical reference

The page says that she became interested in Early Music, which it claims has something to do with baroque and renaissance music. This is incorrect. Early Music refers to European music from before the Renaissance. Also, I removed the advertisement for a concert. That clearly does not belong here.

Actually no, early music do includes renaissance and sometimes baroque, although it's arguable weather if baroque fits in early music, renaissance music as medieval are considerated the western music before common practice, which is the definition of early music. 187.155.8.164 (talk) 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

"Victoriandustrial"

Then nothing is really a "valid" genre because SOMEONE made all of those up too. If Victoriandustrial is the genre EA wants to be put into, let her. She invented it. It's real as anyother genre out there invented by other musicians/fans. -CorrectingDumbPRS

I believe she calls it "violindustrial", but I will have to go look for a quote.

Heres a pic, where it can be seen: http://www.emilieautumn.com/img/LUMySpace.jpg

I deleted "Victoriandustrial" and "Violindustrial" from the article, as when you get down to it, they're just examples of things someone made up one day. Google searches and the like don't turn up any references outside of social networking and music-sharing sites. It wouldn't be bad to put something like "Suchandsuch coined the terms 'Victoriandustrial' and 'violindustrial' to describe her music" if someone can find a reference for it, but they aren't valid genre terms.--Halloween jack 18:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

She herself has used the terms “victoriandustrial” and “violindustrial”. 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

She has made up both "victoriandustrial" and "violindustrial" and these are what she says her music fits under, seeing as her music doesn't really fit into any one genre. It is true that they are both made up but why can you not just write that on the page, like you know say that she made up those two terms to explain what her music is, because that is the truth is it not?? I am pretty sure that is what other websites that has info about her says. I just don't see why you would remove them seeing as she always uses those terms, when explaining her music, and her fashion as well.Emma kenny (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It is still something made up and not a valid genre. Many artists make up words to describe themselves and it's not in the genre list because it isn't a real genre and Emilie is not special in that regard.--Yayamaya (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

While it may be acceptable to mention that she describes her style as "victoriandustrial," the infobox should use broad genres common to many artists (per project standards). Accordingly, any such specific term does not belong in the infobox. —C.Fred (talk) 01:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Further clean-up needed, 12 September 2007

Fleshed out early life section, added details of contributions to the works of other artists and compilations, added picture, added references.

Needed: continuation of work on biographical details, particularly information about her time with Courtney Love (must have references). Some detail on the "Opheliac" phrase (whole page could be made for the album and the origins of the term) incorporating the Asylum and other borrowed Victorian ideas and terms (this can all go between Biography and TV performances). Update of links section.

Claire O'Malley 03:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Real Name

What is it with this "Fritzges" crap? Her last name is LIDDELL. How many times has she told us this? Come on now. -CorrectingDumbPRS

Is Emilie Autumn her real name or a stage name? ~MDD4696 04:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC) It's a stage one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.117.232 (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Its her real name, not her whole name though but if I remember correctly on her forum it was mentioned Autumn is actually her middle name as she was born in Autumn and her last name is unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 (talk) 15:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Her last name is Liddell. She mentioned it at the Chicago Tea Party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.113.77 (talk) 04:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

<anofollow" class="external free">http://www.batteredrose.com/chat2.php">This</a> might serve as source or at least as indicator for “Liddell”. —Telofy (talk) 20:10, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

TyphoidMary89 (talk) 22:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)That makes me think that Fritzges may have been her father's last name (since she's said that he was German), and she's choosing to use her mother's last name. That isn't unusual at all, and it is a choice a person can legally make. Also, why is it that her word can't always be trusted? I would think that, in reference to herself, her word would be more trustworthy than many other things on the internet. It is possible that she's changed her legal last name from her legal birth name, people do it all the time.

Or use her autobiographical book "The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls" as a source.
On page four paragraph four she states "[The plastic hospital bracelet] already has my name on it. Emilie Autumn Liddell. Yes, that Liddell. You can see now why I don't use that name." (actually "that" is underlined but I don't know how to underline in wikis).
There are other references to it as well, but that should be clear enough.
Seeing how this is in an actual published book it must be considered a good source, don't it?
85.225.176.50 (talk) 06:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Her real name is "Emily Autumn Fritzges", and she's born in 1977, not 1979...195.176.0.201 (talk) 13:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ummm actually NO, she WAS born in 1979 seeing as she is turning 31 this year!!! Where the fuck are you people getting this information from????? Go to her fucking website and you will see that in one of her journals she stated that it was her 30th birthday last year, and I can safely say that she would no her own age wouldn't you???? Also I don't know about her name being Emily Autumn Fritzges, as she has said many times that her last name is Liddell and that she is related to Alice Liddell, also I am pretty sure that her first name was always spelt Emilie. Emma kenny (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

here is where 1977 comes from http://www.ssjentertainment.com/ebayphotos/RandomRecords/113009/emilieautumn.jpg I'll try to dig up an old invoice for the name, the best proof for this recently is impossible to be cited due to it having been deleted because of it being accurate --Yayamaya (talk) 20:46, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

From what I can tell, Emilie's birth name is Emily Frizges, old paypal invoces had this name on them and looking here, this looks very much like it's her. http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/preview/peoplesearch.do?searchMode=search&searchCallMode=direct&searchMName=A&searchLName=Fritzges&searchState=IL&searchCity=Chicago&searchFName=E&adID=158-0000000020&adsource=158&TID=5&searchtab=home --Yayamaya (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Someone please for the love of god, change her last name and add in it's PROPER name. ~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress (talk • contribs) 09:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

^ I second that completely, and can you also change her birth date to the correct year which is 1979, seeing as she is NOT 33, she is 31!! And I really don't understand how this http://www.ssjentertainment.com/ebayphotos/RandomRecords/113009/emilieautumn.jpg proves that she was born in 1977. All it is, is a CD cover, I would really appreciate it if you could tell me how that proves that she was born in 1977.Emma kenny (talk) 10:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

There is far more proof that is not just word of Emilie (which cannot always be trusted) to Frizges and 1977. Please look at what you are shown before blowing it off as false. On the back of the cover date of birth and death is given for all composers and for Emilie only date of birth as she is not dead next to Revelry and it says B.1977--Yayamaya (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The point being is the evidence points to the point that Emilie Autumn is in fact Emilie Fritzges, which if true points to the fact she was born in 1977 as Emilie Fritzges was. Wikipedia is about truth, of the real person behind Emilie Autumn, not the persona Emilie tries to wrap around herself. If you want the history on the persona then yes, you can read her book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMadcapSyd (talk • contribs) 18:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC) TheMadcapSyd (talk) 18:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi umm I wasn't blowing off the evidence about her being born in 1977, I just didn't see the date next to Revelry and I didn't understand how the cover proved it. Which was why I asked you to explain how it proved that she was born in 1977.Emma kenny (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I know I've never posted on wiki before but reading this article ( http://www.bizarremag.com/entertainment/interviews/9292/emilie_autumn.html ) published this month, it says in the 6th paragraph (including the bold one) she is 30. This would mean that she was born in 1979 not 1977. Just trying to add more info. The article also has some other info that could be used as a source. I also believe that Fritzges may be her birth surname but she has stated that Liddell is her legal surname. Could it be possible that she has had it legally changed from one to the other? Again, just speculation Goodbyegothgirlx (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello there, I am sure her last name is not Liddell. I attended one of her concerts (in Germany) where she pointed out that her father is from Germany and her surname is German, too. Liddell is not a German name, but Fritzges is. Another fan who works at a cosmetics counter in Chicago encountered her a few times, and though she did not want to give out Emilie's real name, she said that it's actually spelled "Emily", Autumn is her real second name, and her surname sounded German. Emily Autumn Fritzges. I guess there we have it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.241.95.197 (talk) 01:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• "Liddell", really? If that's what she's legally changed her name to, that's just fine, but it has no place here without a credible source certifying that as such. It's more likely she's using the name to allude to the namesake of Lewis Carroll's books for theatricality. - C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.54.15 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Why is Liddell being used as her birth name? I thought we were sure that her birth name is in fact not Liddell...--68.192.55.21 (talk) 18:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, she has stated several times that her legal name IS Liddell. It also says it in the book. --Lolitamuse (talk) 18:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

• Legal name isn't the same as birth name...Have you read anything else besides what I wrote?--Yayamaya (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

HERE IT IS! Birth name: Emilie (or Emily) Autumn Fritzges. Source:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ekDbVM2Bfc0J:articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto+%22jan+fritzges%22&cd=1&hl=pl&ct=clnk&client=safari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.176.0.201 (talk) 09:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

The quote from that article is "The well-wishers included Symphony musicians, socialites and Jan Fritzges and her 19- year-old daughter Autumn, die-hard Kennedy fans who'd driven up from Costa Mesa in Orange County to see their hero. Kennedy announced that Autumn 'is a fantastic fiddle player, but she was bitten by an eel and can't play at the moment.' (Her sister's pet eel did the damage, Autumn confided.)" Other than the eel bite and the fiddling, what from that article links Autumn Fritzges and Emilie Autumn as the same person? Jumping to that conclusion from two data points seems a bit of synthesis. Adding Emilie onto the birth name is full-on synthesis, since that's not mentioned in this article at all. —C.Fred (talk) 15:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you serious? Do you really think Nigel Kennedy knows another violin player with the name "Autumn" ?! And that person has a german father too? And was also 19 at that time? And has exactly that name EA is denying to have? And - what a coincidence! - there's a word filter on her fan-forum which changes that name automatically to "liddell"? If there WAS such a person named Autumn Fritzges who IS NOT Emilie Autumn, why couldn't we talk about THAT violinist - who has the same age, a german father and knows Nigel Kennedy, no, even more: is a FAN of him - on EAs forum without having the name automatically changed to EAs name?!! Come on, this whole thing's becoming ridiculous! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.87.54 (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, one step at a time. Lets examine the facts:

1. Emilie Autumn has confirmed via Twitter that her legal name is Emilie Autumn Liddell. (I also dug up a transcript (on a fan site, so it's up for debate) in which she states: "My father was a circus performer from Germany, and I am decended [sic] from the Liddells on my mothers side, of Scotland originally…Alice in Wonderland…")

2. Emilie Autumn is a violinist and friends with Nigel Kennedy.[1]

3. Emilie Autumn has a sister (presumably older)[2] ("The people who really took issue with my tastes were far older, my sister's boyfriends, friends parents, people who thought that I was just weird.")

And that's about it. The world is huge place. Autumn is a fairly common first name in the States and I'm fairly sure that, at this point in time, there are thousands of white women her age. Nowhere in the SF article does it mention that this Autumn has a German father. I'm fairly sure that Nigel Kennedy has more fans than just Emilie Autumn. The world has quite a few violinists/fiddle players in the world and I would be beyond shocked to learn that Emilie is the only one wherever she lives. Now, I know very little about her fan-forum, but confirming that she has a filter to change Fritzges to Liddell still proves nothing. There's a possibility she got tired of being mistaken for that Autumn Fritzges. Now, unless somebody comes up with a reliable source (Emilie Autumn's own word will do quite nicely), linking Emilie Autumn to Autumn Fritzges is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia does not publish original research or synthesis. Now there's a possibility that they are the same person, but at this point in time, there's simply not enough information from reliable sources to tell for certain. We can assume all we want. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Genre

Someone has kept changing the genre to Dark Cabaret, Electropop and Metal. I agree with Dark Cabaret but i do not believe that electropop and metal are the genres of her music, Emilie herself has said its dark cabaret and industrial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darklight179 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Go and wash your ears. There are typical Metal guitars. --Ada Kataki (talk) 20:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

You are mistaken. There are no guitars in Emilie Autumn's music. The instrument you are mistaking for a guitar is actually an electric violin. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

An electronic violin sounds like a Heavy Metal guitar? On the MySpace site she descibes their music as Metal (and also Industrial, but there is no Industrial music on their albums). --Ada Kataki (talk) 19:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

It must to you, because you are insisting that "there are typical Metal guitars" in Emilie Autumn's music when in fact there are none. Industrial metal is a better-suited genre term than just metal for her music. Electropop is still not an accurate tag; Emilie Autumn does not sound anything remotely like Ladytron or Peaches. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Please, listen to Industrial metal. Autumn's music has nothing to do with this kind of music. And Electropop means ElectroPOP, not ElectroCLASH. --Ada Kataki (talk) 09:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I have listened to industrial metal. I have also listened to metal, and electropop, and electroclash, and I am fully convinced that you are attempting to be a music snob when you have no idea what you are talking about. Autumn's music is arguably its own genre, or a blend of different genres, and certainly takes inspiration from even more genres, but likening it to metal because it has a few stray metal influences is simply inaccurate. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 19:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Industrial Metal is a different genre to just Industrial music. As The Proctor Doctor has said her music is a variety of different genres, and only some of her remixes come near the metal genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.154.166 (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, thank god we have come to a compromise. Electronic music is a bit vague and all-encompassing, but at least there will be no more edit war. The Proctor Doctor (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Emilie Autumn is also often referred to as Dark Wave. Her sound is similar to other modern Dark Wave bands like RazorBladeKisses and L'Ame Immortelle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blade1313 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

L'ame Immortelle has nothing to do with Wave music. The same with Emilie Autumn. --Chontamenti (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be fair to add stempunk; she describes her music as victorianindustrial which is in one or other another way to say stempunk. Also the use of the Harpsichord with electronic effects and the electric violin really gives to it an steampunk sound... If anyone disagrees let us know befor deleting it.187.155.7.226 (talk) 00:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I think steampunk is incorrect. First of all, the link leads to the fiction genre, not to steampunk music; second, steampunk music (at least that made by the very few steampunk musicians there are out there, like The Clockwork Dolls) does not sound like what she does, and plus, steampunk as a musical genre is extremely vaguely defined, so I don't think we should categorize music into it.

Also, Emilie Autumn has millions of styles. In Enchant and A Bit O' This and That, she very often goes into the genres of blues/jazz, celtic... Chambermaid was once defined as “chamber pop”, though I cannot recall whether it was by her or not. Anyway, what happens here is that she does things that don't easily fit into ANY genre, so I think that, while Wikipedia pages on musucians need it, we shouldn't try to force musical genres that don't fit with her stuff into this article. I'd say baroque chamber music, industrial (or industrial metal, which I think would be acceptable), jazz... 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no Industrial in their music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.20.42 (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

(PlagueRattyRat 6.3.10)I think you'll find there is. Go and have a listen to 'I Know Where You Sleep' and 'Liar'. Most definately industrial influences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlagueRattyRat (talk • contribs) 09:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Industrial is an umbrella term of genre, there are many different types of industrial in the world....there are industrial influences in her music....but like I said its a very umbrella term for a varied genre. - J.D.

In Response to "Vandalism"

I hope the mods aren't getting TOO frustrated. The "vandalism's" all in good fun, at her own encouragement. 166.82.100.66 (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

She told us to. Check her Twitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyrastar123 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yikes. She apparently did.[3] Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Quote: Yes, I did ask the PRs to fuck up my Wikipedia page! It was a challenge! And they rocked it! 11:10 AM Nov 16th from web

I think this would have been easier to do if she had made her own account or written somewhere what the flaws of this article were so they'd be quotable; 'cause she said she did this 'cause she was very tired of her changing incorrect facts and everyone saying they were not true. 80.35.16.144 (talk) 21:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

such a stupid challenge! wikipedia is free for everyone and not the asylum from emilie autumn, when anybody finds a source on the internet, he/she can edit it. i think emilie is just angry because fame didnt enter in her life... ;)77.119.33.214 (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Would you rather she would have sued?

With such a lack of sources and the person described in a living person biographical article that would be a clear possibility.

Instead be thankful that her and her fans' response is just removing all the inaccuracies to having information removed even though the source for the removed information is the best one possible: herself on her own forum.

Another clear case of that Wikipedia needs to modernise its rules regarding acceptable sources to include direct information from the subject described, for example on their own forums or accounts on places like Twitter or MySpace.

If 77.119.33.214 thinks it appropriate to analyze Emilie's feelings then please do that on your own webpage, but don't forget to show how you in fact are an authority on non-mainstram fame levels.

85.225.176.50 (talk) 23:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you kidding me????? She wasn't angry because fame didn't enter her life, she was angry because you people in Wikipedia were putting wrong information about her on this page, and when she fixed it all up, you just changed it all back to the bullshit that was on it before, and said that who ever edited it didn't know anything and got it all wrong!! I think she would know her own bloody life don't you?? Wikipedia is stupid and where the hell do you get all the information, because clearly you were completely wrong, and the whole reason why she asked us Plague Rats to fuck up her Wikipedia page was just to see how much bullshit can be put onto a page, by the public. Which apparently was a lot!! Emma kenny (talk) 07:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

"A lot", is an understatement, hun :)~GothicVampiress —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress (talk • contribs) 09:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Source needed

Source needed for: "She also is obsessed with the plague and rats. She has two rats named Sir Edward and Basil." Kaguya-chan (talk) 17:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Do not know if this is accepted, but it includes a pic of EA with Sir Edward and Basil. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21881 Thesaya (talk) 06:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Stubbed

Due to the serious biographies of living persons issues with this article, namely the poor quality of referencing, I have stubbed this article removing the bulk of the text. Future additions must be supported by reliable sources such as articles in professional third party magazines and newspapers. Through a preliminary Google search I have been unable to find much reliable coverage of the topic, but if anyone is aware of such coverage, please post links here and I would be happy to integrate the content. Any attempts to restore poorly-sourced content will not be tolerated, and may result in the page being protected from editing or persistent violators having their editing privileges revoked. Sincerely,  Skomorokh  15:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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I wonder if Emilies own journal entries on her official forum could be used as sources? Here is the link: http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewforum.php?f=2 She was also in the latest Gothic beauty magazine, so anyone who has that could use it as a source. Can be ordered from here: http://www.gothicbeauty.com

Also, I wonder if interviews you can watch at youtube, which CLEARLY shows that it is she answering the questions, would be acceptable as sources? If that is so there is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu47z5Poajk ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3hyzeF9T4 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fH0w0E579I&feature=related : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffbccbOX2A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTOeNIag7SM&feature=related Thesaya (talk) 11:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

New interview today: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/entertainmentnews/Music-saved-life-Emilie-Autumn/article-1763548-detail/article.html Thesaya (talk) 06:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yay for new interview! I think that Emilie's journal entries could be used since she is the author. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Attrition not authorized

About the guest vocals on Attrition I doubt EA want them here since they were used without her authorisation. I do not have a so called "reliable" source for this, only what was on the top of every page in her forum for a VERY long time. The author of the post is TallyHooTrain, EA's former booker and contact at Trisol. http://forum.emilieautumn.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6173&start=0&hilit=attrition

While it is not possible to find a "reliable" source, I do think you could take this part out at least, even if not writing about the conflict itself. Thesaya (talk) 09:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

What about the fans?

Emilie has a huge fan base, and all the fans arem referred to as either 'muffins' or 'plague rats'. Should this not be included on the wiki page? Fans are a crucial part of any artists development, and the fact that we are different to most other fans means that we should be included. -PlagueRattyRat —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlagueRattyRat (talk • contribs) 09:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Those are her /groupies/ not fans! 70.234.188.168 (talk) 22:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

How are they groupies and not fans? --Yayamaya (talk) 12:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

^ Yeh, exactly, how are they her groupies and not her fans??? If you ask her and all of her fans they would all tell you that she calls her fans either "Plague Rats" or "Muffins". Also go to her website, in all of her journal entries she calls us Plague Rats and sometimes Muffins. The "Plague Rats" are generally those who are in the Asylum Army (which does not mean they are groupies, just means that they are more committed to her and spreading the plague) and then "Muffins" are usually the fans that haven't know her for long or are just not that 'into' her. But either way they are still fans.Emma kenny (talk) 09:41, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and if you WERE into her, you would fucking know that.~GothicVampiress

Will you stop bitching at everyone on the discussion page, it adds nothing. And just because they say something like that doesn't mean that they aren't 'into' Emilie. They are at there core just names for a fanbase, and are used interchangably. Please don't make things up without having a citation to prove it.--Yayamaya (talk) 18:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I consider myself to be a very big fan, thank you and I was not/ being serious at all thank you-prettybarf/what ever my thing is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.169.45 (talk) 03:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Oneironauttt, 6 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Oneironauttt (talk) 07:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.^Avicenna_sis @ 07:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you being serious, right now? Her LAST name needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GothicVampiress (talk • contribs) 09:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

And the year in which she was born in needs to be changed, and the fact that you have put the guitar under instruments she plays needs to be changed, she has never played a guitar in any of her albums, and you have put that she quite school when she was 9, when in fact she quit when she was 10. Also the odd mentioning of her being bi-polar needs to be changed, not the fact that she is bi-polar because I know that she is in fact bi-polar but just the way it is stated is a bit weird, could it be said a little nicer, and not just chucked at the bottom of the bio section. It just seems a little off to me. Emma kenny (talk) 10:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

What sources can we verify the above-mentioned changes with? —C.Fred (talk) 13:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

She has used guitar, Art of Suicide Acoustic (which is how Art of Suicide was originally written), Let It Die, In The Lake, My Fareweather Friend...what Emilie are you listening to that doesn't use guitar? It is also explained above as to why her last name is at is it. The only source for Lidell is that Emilie says and not that there are invoices and it's always removed from the forum when it comes up and so on...just see above. --Yayamaya (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Umm, yes I know but she doesn't play the guitar! I thought that the list was for instruments that she herself plays, but if not then ok leave the guitar there then. Emma kenny (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

She does play guitar. She may not play it herself on any records but she plays it nonetheless. For example, in the 'Crafters Coast to Coast' episode she is in, you can clearly see that she owns several guitars. VV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.62.196 (talk) 09:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I do apologise but I have never seen that before, the thing is that on her website (batteredrose.com) in the FAQ it was stated that E.A plays the following instruments; violin, viola, viola de gamba, harpsichord, and piano. Also could it be possible that those guitars were not actually hers? I am not trying to pick an argument with you but I am just saying seeing as she has never actually played the guitar in public where as she always plays the violin and harpsichord and all of those in public, maybe the guitars in that show were not hers. Emma kenny (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

She has stated that she does play guitar and that was how she wrote The Art of Suicide. And even if she doesn't play it, it is featured in her music prominently in a number of songs--Yayamaya (talk) 16:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Also Battered Rose is only a fansite, not EA's official site.--Yayamaya (talk) 13:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Emmy kenny, the part where you said she left school at ten is wrong. Emilie herself said "I quit normal person school at nine so that I could have time to practice for nine hours a day in a practice room every day with out fail." Direct quote from an interview with Shred News. Kaguya-chan (talk) 13:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

^ Oh ok well that is really weird because in a interview that I watched she said that she left at the age of ten??Emma kenny (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

That's odd. Which interview was it? Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to add to this. There may not be a citation for 'Lidell' or whatever it is as her surname, but is there a reference for the surname that appears on the page? And is there a citation for spelling her name with a 'y',. There may be, but nothing has been noted on the oage. For all this 'you need a reference' crap, you're being a bit crap in yourselves... ;) -PlagueRattyRat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.202.17 (talk) 15:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

How about you look above in the section about her real name where it's explained?--Yayamaya (talk) 10:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to say that the guitars in Crafters from Cost to Cost most likely belonged to her boyfriend at the time... If someone could help me find the source, that would be great, but between the Enchant and Opheliac era, Emilie lived with her boyfriend who was a guitarist. (You can see this from her old journal entries and from the Asylum Book). Also, on the Opheliac Companion, she explained that she played enough guitar to just strum and couldn't bar most chords. Her producer, Inkydust, had to play the guitar for her. It's very, very likely that he played the guitar for her on her albums. 68.32.16.59 (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

^ Thankyou!!!!! And to Kaguya - chan I will try to find the link to that interview for you, but it might take a while not sure which one it was in, lol.Emma kenny (talk) 06:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC) I found the interview, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LeO2xc73_k, She mentions it at around at around 15:40. Emma kenny (talk) 07:08, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Um, are you sure that's the right interview? I didn't hear anything about her leaving school in it. Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.87.74.231, 10 September 2010

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Her last name is actually Fritzges. There is absolutely no proof that she is related to Alice Liddel, nor a direct decendant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.87.74.231 (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. While I agree there's an issue with her birth name in the current version, you've provided no sources to support your change. —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

http://articles.sfgate.com/1997-09-05/entertainment/17757244_1_san-francisco-symphony-nigel-kennedy-beethoven-violin-concerto Towards the middle, she's mentioned as Autumn Fritzges, she's also mentioned the scar from the eel bite here http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450.html. --68.192.36.89 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | \-> This link is better: http://www.4gm.nl/game-masters-topmenu-27/450-emilie-autumn-reportage.html

Hmm. Unsure about the reliability of 4gm.nl, but I'm pretty sure SFGate is reliable. But now the question is can anyone confirm with a reliable source that the Autumn Fritzges mentioned is Emilie Autumn? Or that Emilie has a scar from an eel-bite? Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that SFGate is reliable, but that it's too much of a jump from that article to say that Autumn Fritzges is Emilie Autumn. —C.Fred (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I also wouldn't jump to that conclusion hastily, but it would at least perfectly fit to the claim substantiated in the discussion above that Ms. Autumn was actually born in 1977, as the SFGate article (published September 05, 1997) specifies the age of Ms. Fritzges as 19. Additionally, a source in the same section above mentions a Janice Marie Fritzges as a relative of Emily Autumn Fritzges which would also go with the names in the SFGate article. I'm not saying that this is enough evidence and that the mentioned sources are reliable, but it is at least a further indication for the validity of this claim.

Btw, there is an Autumn Fritzges credited here as a violinist in the cast of the movie Mirror, Mirror 2: Raven Dance. Has anybody seen this movie? Could it be Ms. Autumn or is it just a coincidence/mistake? -- Lacrimus (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

On her Twitter account, she claims that her legal name is Emilie Autumn Liddell. Of course, it's always possible that wasn't her birth name. Kaguya-chan (talk) 20:58, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Victoriandustrial/violindustrial

Given that there is now a style section, surely it is worth mentioning the whole victoriandustrial thing. I'm sure there must be a million sources saying that she at least describes her music as such. 92.1.251.145 (talk) 14:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that would be nice to mention, but finding a reliable source is going to be the tricky part. I'll go look, though. Kaguya-chan (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)