Talk:E-government in Europe/Archive 1

Copyright concerns

This is my first serious attempt to contribute to Wikipedia. I understand that it needs some additional work especially concerning the verifiability of its statements, however, following the advice of a wikipedia editor, I chose to bring it online so that it benefits from the experience of the other wikipedians. All comments are welcome!

Rentzepopoulos (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the issue of deletion (speedy or not) for this page, I would like to note that the epractice website (from which most of the content is derived) states that "Reproduction is authorised, except for commercial purposes, provided the source is acknowledged." I have repeatedly mentioned epractice as a source for the information in footnotes (although I admit that I have not done this in all places).

I request that the speedy deletion banner is removed and that I get the time to improve the article to the standards of wikipedia.

One more thing: As can be seen in my user page, this subject has been developed in the past few months and I asked for editor support. One of the suggestions was to bring it online so that I could get feedback on it -- however there was no comment about possible deletion for whatever reason.

Finally, since I am away from my PC with limited internet access until Friday 11 December 2009, I am asking to postpone any action until then, so that I can have the possibility to reply to your comments.

Best, Rentzepopoulos (talk) 12:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Rentzepopoulos. The copyright notice for the eGovernment website is licensed for non-commercial use only. That restriction is incompatible with Wikipedia's copyright policy and licensing requirements. Unfortunately, this means the text cannot be copied directly from the source. It will need to be written in original language. Other possibilities are listed in the template message that I added to your talk page. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. — CactusWriter | ^needles 15:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Since much of the text of the page is not copied but rather summarised from the original pages, would it be acceptable to keep this and remove the copy-pasted one? As a matter of fact, some 10 countries have been manually summarised by me. Please indicate if the removal of the offending parts is acceptable (as in this case not all European countries will be included). Rentzepopoulos (talk) 17:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Trying to keep together references to important material on the subject of copyright issues:

• Exchange of posts at CactusWriter talk page
• Current version of the "eGovernment in Europe" page in its temporary space

Rentzepopoulos (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Continued concerns

I'm sorry, but the temporary version hit multiple matches in the mechanical detector that I use.

For instance:

The Data Protection Inspectorate (DPI) is an independent Agency placed under the authority of the Ministry of Justice. The DPI supervises the legality of the processing of personal data and databases, as well as the organisation of data protection activities. AS Sertifitseerimiskeskus (SK) is the Certification Authority (CA) providing certificates for the Estonian electronic ID card.

closely follows on this source:

The Data Protection Inspectorate is an independent Agency placed under the authority of the Ministry of Justice (it was formerly placed under the authority of the Ministry of Internal Affairs).The DPI supervises the legality of the processing of personal data and databases, as well as the organisation of data protection activities.... AS Sertifitseerimiskeskus (SK) is the Certification Authority (CA) providing certificates for the Estonian electronic ID card....

Note also:

The full transposition of the new EU Regulatory Framework for Electronic Communications has not yet taken place in Greece. eCommunications remain governed by the Telecommunications Law 2867/2000 of 19 December 2000. The Presidential Decree 150/2001 transposes EU Directive 1999/93/EC.

Compare to the source:

The full transposition of the new EU Regulatory Framework for Electronic Communications has not yet taken place in Greece. eCommunications remain governed by the Telecommunications Law 2867/2000 of 19 December 2000.

Another example:

The starting point for the administrative portal was in 2002. The portal covers all matters related to citizens-state and businesses-state interaction. Related topics include legal matters and legislation texts, employment, taxation, all forms of declaration towards the State (births, marriages, etc) and others. Regarding its structure, the portal is comprised of three major sections...

Compare to [1]:

The starting point for the administrative portal was in 2002.... The portal covers all matters related to citizens-state and businesses-state interaction. Related topics include legal matters and legislation texts, employment, taxation, all forms of declaration towards the State (births, marriages, etc) and others. Regarding its structure, the portal is comprised of three major sections...

An example that includes close paraphrasing:

The Ministry of the Interior supervises inter-ministerial and inter-agency coordinating groups on electronic services. The Advisory Committee on Information Management in Public Administration, JUHTA, promotes cooperation in information management between the State and the municipalities.

From the source:

Among other functions and tasks, the Ministry of the Interior supervises inter-ministerial and inter-agency coordinating groups on electronic services....The Advisory Committee on Information Management in Public Administration, JUHTA, has been set up at the Ministry of the Interior to promote cooperation in information management between the State and the municipalities.

Only a few words have been altered here. Changes of this kind create derivative works, which only the copyright holder has the right to authorize.

I'm afraid that given the results of my overview, the temporary version is not usable without that verification of permission. I've checked the OTRS e-mail system and do not see that such permission has been sent.

If you expect it to be, we can wait for it. Alternatively, you may consider rewriting the article from scratch in completely original language. The facts are not copyrighted, but the structure and language of the original are. The essay Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues. The article Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:09, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I have requested the authorisation e-mail from the ePractice people and they reacted positively. Unfortunately I was not able to follow up this for the past couple of days, but I will check again today. Therefore, I request that the page remains for a few more days, until this is resolved, either way.

Thanks and regards, Rentzepopoulos (talk) 08:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Update: Difficult to get a reaction so close to Xmas... I am still pursuing this. Rentzepopoulos (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I will reset the clock for another week. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Please allow a few more days. The European Commission is officially closed from December 24th until January 2nd. Rentzepopoulos (talk) 06:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

All right. I will reset its closure for one more week. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy new year, MRG, and thank you for the extension -- I hope I get some reaction from the Commission before the end of the week. On the same issue, I noticed that you deleted the text from the Temp page as "unusable"; however, I would appreciate (if it be possible) to restore it temporarily so that I can salvage some original text. Alternatively, you may email me the deleted text if you want to keep the /Temp space clean. -- Rentzepopoulos (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no input received from the EC on the copyright issue. So, I am removing the offending content and I will leave in place the structure. Gradually, I will be writing from scratch for every European country. Please advise if this is acceptable. Rentzepopoulos (talk) 16:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

That is unfortunate. :/ Thanks for trying. If you could create a new basic article in the temporary page, it would be a good starting point for rebuilding. It will be used to replace this content, which can be restored at any point that permission is received. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to set the record straight: I have not received a negative answer from EC -- I have received no answer at all. However, time passes at a different pace in such organisations... Anyway, I have started creating a new page at the /Temp space, as agreed. Would it be possible for you to send me a link for a detector for plagiarism/copyright infringement so that I can scan my work in advance? This would definitely help me. TIA, Rentzepopoulos (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, so I understood. That's why I said that the prior material could be restored at any point that permission is received. The matter has again come due for closure, so I have used your temporary text, under construction, to replace the earlier versions. I would strongly caution you against relying on mechanical detectors to locate copyright concerns in your own work. If you know the source you are using, it is far better to compare the source to the new text individually. Mechanical detectors typically pick up only glaring problems. At the bottom of Wikipedia:Plagiarism, however, is a link to one that is relatively good: [2]. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)