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All three of your citiation requests can be found in Stephen Cox's book "The Beverly Hillbillies" as well as many newspaper and magazine articles on Donna Douglas.

Unspecified source for Image:Ahillbilly.jpg

I found Image:Ahillbilly.jpg and noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. Someone will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If it was obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

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Another picture?

Would be great to see another picture of Douglas in her prime or as "Elly May".

Donna and Elvis

Rumor has it that Donna and Elvis were a brief item during the making of Frankie and Johnny. I heard an interview with Nancy Kulp on The Howard Stern Show. She would only say that Donna became very fond of Elvis and had a tough time after the movie finished filming. Anyone know if this is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfbinc (talk • contribs) 05:08, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Elvis liked the young women. Very much, very often, and very many. Unless she says it in the press, it won't merit inclusion... and this is not a tabloid, it probably would not merit a mention even then.User talk:Unfriend12 19:15, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Donna Douglas lives in Baker, Louisiana, not Missouri

I dont know why it was stated she lived in Missourri. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.143.34 (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to a WAFB-TV interview, March-2009, she lives in Zachary, Louisiana. Not all that far from where she was born. See: http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10052872&nav=menu57_2_7 — 98.164.237.140 (talk) 08:53, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb I killed

I dropped most of a new addition, and CN tagged the last para. I only followed one of the links... which wrapped back to a facebook fan page.User talk:Unfriend12 19:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Death

She died on the Friday morning of January 2, 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source? — Wylie pedia 03:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Died on Thursday, January 1, 2015 according to USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/01/02/beverly-hillbillies-star-donna-douglas-dies-at-81/21195559/). Also, several articles say she was 82. That's not possible. 2015 (death) minus 1933 (birth) is 82... however, her birthday for this year wouldn't be until September, which made her 81. — Comment added by Terryalan (talk • contribs) 03:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We're using a template that automatically calculates the age at death. I think this qualifies as WP:CALC if we have good sources for the birth and death dates, even if our sources bungle the same calculation, especially since MediaWiki is doing our calculation. Pathore (talk) 05:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We had her birth year wrong. She "turned 81 in September"^[1] of 2013, but we had erroneously listed that source as from 2014, which seems to have caused some confusion. Pathore (talk) 20:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1933 is the longstanding year of birth, cited by most original sources. Quis separabit? 22:50, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite some of them here? That's why I put a {{reflist-talk}} at the end of this section. Pathore (talk) 23:00, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Thomas, Nick (1 October 2013). "Elly May offers up some vittles with her stories". Senior Voice. Vol. 36, no. 10. Retrieved 2 January 2015.

Exact birth date?

The sources given in the article support that she was born "in September 1932",^[1] but the only mention of September 26th is the date when The Beverly Hillbillies premiered. Did the show actually premiere on her birthday, or is this another bit of confusion? Do any reliable sources mention this at all? The mention of 26 September 1933 goes all the way back to the original revision of the article, and wasn't cited then. A quick check of the article history doesn't turn up any revisions where it seems to have ever been cited. Pathore (talk) 21:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1933 is the long-standing year of birth, which is cited by most news outlets. Quis separabit? 22:53, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can see, the news outlets are only reporting what others are reporting. The NYT obituary that is actually written and not just copied and paraphrased by news sources seems to be the most credible source so far. I have made changes to the lead section and infobox as well as imbedded comments to reflect this. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All I will add is that her niece Charlene Smith has been quoted as firmly saying that "She was 82," and that "She's going to haunt me for that." see USA Today–Kiwipat (talk) 00:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As I had mentioned in the section above, we have a source that says she "turned 81 in September"^[2] of 2013, but doesn't explicitly mention the year in its own text and we had erroneously listed that source as from 2014. A simple calculation from that gives us a birth date in September 1932, which the NYT obituary also supports.^[1] I wonder how many sources got 1933 from Wikipedia? I'm really asking for a citation for 26 September. If the show really did premiere on her birthday, I would expect a biographer to have mentioned it. Pathore (talk) 23:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, her grave marker, an image of which is on Find a Grave, says she was born Sept. 26, 1932.[1][2] --ThylekShran (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's only a temporary marker. Maybe we will be able to use it after the permanent stone is placed. Pathore (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get the confusion. If her date of birth was known and referenced for many years as September 26, and it was the year that was hazy, why should that change the date? This reflink appears to confirm September 26, 1932, anyway, as does this one. Her family would know best, time to accept 9/26/1932 and move on. Quis separabit? 16:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The confusion is due to having never had a reliable source for the 26th of September. We have at least two reliable sources for September 1932^[1]^[2], but I have yet to see a reliable source for her birthday being the 26th. The Beverly Hillbillies premiered on 26 September 1962^[1]. The coincidence is something I would expect a reliable biography of Douglas to have mentioned. I'm really asking for a citation to such a source. That said, I will accept an image of her permanent tombstone, preferably uploaded to Commons, as settling the matter. Both of the sites you mention appear to contain user-generated content, which means that we cannot use them as reliable sources. Wikipedia has no deadline, so waiting for the tombstone to be placed should not be a problem. Pathore (talk) 02:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well-explained. Fair enough. Yours, Quis separabit? 23:36, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up, a picture of her gravestone has been uploaded at findagrave.com and it confirms her birthdate as Sept. 26, 1932.[3] --ThylekShran (talk) 08:04, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Pathore see here for photo of permanent gravestone placed by family, establishing date of birth. Yours, Quis separabit? 20:22, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's still from a WP:UGC site, but I doubt anyone would fake that picture, so I'll call it close enough. Pathore (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Stout, David (2 January 2015). "Donna Douglas, the Fairest 'Beverly Hillbilly,' Dies at 82". The New York Times. Retrieved 2 January 2015.
^ ^a ^b Thomas, Nick (1 October 2013). "Elly May offers up some vittles with her stories". Senior Voice. Vol. 36, no. 10. Retrieved 2 January 2015.

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Birthday was September 26 1933 via www.findagrave.com Imscottmc40 (talk) 07:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Find a grave is not a reliable source. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 07:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And an image of her grave marker is not a reliable source... how, exactly? [4] [5] --ThylekShran (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At the time of the edit request, no such image was available. Also, note that the information given in the edit request turned out to be wrong. Further, while an image of her grave marker may be useful, Find A Grave, is, in general, a site hosting user-generated content, which we can not, in general, use as a reliable source. Pathore (talk) 03:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry. I didn't look at the date and thought the user was referring to the grave marker, not just the website. My bad. --ThylekShran (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas?

Why did she change her last name to Douglas? 155.213.224.59 (talk) 16:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate confirmed

A picture of Ms. Douglas' gravestone has been uploaded at findagrave.com and it confirms her birthdate as Sept. 26, 1932.[6] We should be able to update the article now -- unless, of course, a picture of her actual grave site is not considered a reliable source for some nonsensical reason, in which case feel free to ignore both this post and the obvious. :) (No, but seriously, add the date.) --ThylekShran (talk) 05:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:58, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[SVoice-1] Thomas, Nick (1 October 2013). "Elly May offers up some vittles with her stories". Senior Voice. Vol. 36, no. 10. Retrieved 2 January 2015.

[nytimes-2] Stout, David (2 January 2015). "Donna Douglas, the Fairest 'Beverly Hillbilly,' Dies at 82". The New York Times. Retrieved 2 January 2015.

[SVoice-3] Thomas, Nick (1 October 2013). "Elly May offers up some vittles with her stories". Senior Voice. Vol. 36, no. 10. Retrieved 2 January 2015.

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