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Bijak

A numerous collections of Kabir poems are popular among the literate as well as the illiterate people for over past five centuries in major parts of North India. Large number of Indian population follow the teachings of Kabir are collectively called as Kabir Panth. The Bijak is a sacred book for Kabir Panth as well as other sects devoted to Kabir. Bijak is known to westerners in early twentieth century^[1]. Kabir referred to this word Bijak in the Sakhi of 37th Ramaini^[2] of the scripture. The Bijak tells the secret of the treasure, which is hidden, to teach to soul a word of creature but there are a few who understand.

The language of the Bijak

Bijak has the representative language usually communicated in the middle of the fourteenth century in the neighborhood of Banares. Kabir himself has said in the 194th Sakhi^[3] of the Bijak, My speech is of the East, no one can understand except him who is from the far East. Furthermore, the eastern dialect (purbia-boli) in the dialect of the villager were largely less liked by the literate.

The Hymns of the Bijak

The hymns of Bijak consist of three main sections^[4]^[5] including Ramaini, Sabda, Sakhi and a miscellaneous folk songs with Gyan Chowntisa, Vipramtisi, Kahara, Basant, Chachar, Beli, Birhuli, Hindola.

@Doug Weller: and @RegentsPark: Kindly see and advise. Satya Jaimala (talk) 02:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like the quote for the suggestion that the Bijak wasn't known in the West until the earlier 20th c. I can't see the fact that Kabir mentioned the word as encyclopedia-worthy - that would require reliable sources explaining why it was significant that he mentioned the word. And what's the quote about the secret of the treasure, which is hidden, to teach to sould a word of creature but there are few who understand? Again, we'd need a discussion in sources explaining this. Regarding the language, are there reliable sources saying it was hard to understand? Sorry to be so slow but I've been busy. I have a huge number of articles on my watchlist and if you look at the top of my user page you'll see I have a lot of responsibilities here. Doug Weller talk 14:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: For your ready reference reproducing translation by three writers. Kindly see and advise.

English translation of Kabir Bijak Ramaini 37 Sakhi by three writers as under

The bijak tells of a treasure, a treasure that does not show. The word tells of a creature, Only rare ones know.^[6]

Just as a coded document shows the way to a hidden treasure, just so this bijak shows the way to realize the soul. It teaches instructive words to the soul but there is seldom anyone who considers them.^[7]

Bijak describes the secret treasure, similarly, the (essence of) word (of the guru) reveals the secret characteristic of the creature, but only the rare understand it.^[8] (I have translated from Hindi text to English)

English translation of Kabir Bijak Sakhi 194 by 3 writers in same sequence as above

My speech is of the East, no one understands me. They only understand me who are from the far east.^[9]

My language is of the east, and no one understands it. Only one who belong to the farthest East will understand it. (Comment: East refers to the source of sunrise and the awakening of the knowledge. Here Kabir is referring to the Sentient Self that has existed before everything else. Thus only one who has realized the Sentient Self will understand what he is talking about.)^[10]

Our teaching is of primordial, so no worldly creature can know my reality. Only one who is curious about the spiritual substratum can understand me.^[8] (I have translated from Hindi text to English) (Linda Hess translated word to word from Hindi to English e.g the Hindi word 'Purab' or 'Purva' means east; but its other meaning is 'of past'; Linda Hess translated 'Dhur Purva' to 'far east' but it other meaning is'very first' or from the time of beginning of world i.e highly spiritual not worldly: It seems second and third explanations to be appropriate) (Page No. 457: It is taking same citation number as earlier from same book)Satya Jaimala (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: I know you have multiple responsibilities and due to business unable to guide me for last more than 10 days. Kindly suggest alternative. Thanks in advance and regards.Satya Jaimala (talk) 13:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark: Kindly suggest, what am I supposed to do now? I wish to complete this page and to create more related articles. Thanks and regards.Satya Jaimala (talk) 13:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: I do wait to your response. Thanks in advance and regards. Satya Jaimala (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC) @RegentsPark: Kindly guide me. Thanks and regards. Satya Jaimala (talk) 19:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: I do wait to your response. Thanks in advance and regards.Satya Jaimala (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2020 (UTC) @RegentsPark: Kindly guide me. Thanks and regards.Satya Jaimala (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. pp. xi. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 86. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 112. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. pp. xii. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. pp. vii. ISBN 9788178224763.
^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 86. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. p. 65. ISBN 9788178224763.
^ ^a ^b Kabir; Jñanananda (2002). "Bijaka" (in In Hindi.). Sri Kabira Jñana Prakasana Kendra. p. 52,53. OCLC 989091161. Retrieved 2020-08-13.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link) Cite error: The named reference "Kabir Jñanananda 2002" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 112. ISBN 8120802160.
^ Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. p. 400. ISBN 9788178224763.

[1] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. pp. xi. ISBN 8120802160.

[2] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 86. ISBN 8120802160.

[3] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 112. ISBN 8120802160.

[4] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. pp. xii. ISBN 8120802160.

[5] Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. pp. vii. ISBN 9788178224763.

[6] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 86. ISBN 8120802160.

[7] Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. p. 65. ISBN 9788178224763.

[Kabir_Jñanananda_2002-8] Kabir; Jñanananda (2002). "Bijaka" (in In Hindi.). Sri Kabira Jñana Prakasana Kendra. p. 52,53. OCLC 989091161. Retrieved 2020-08-13.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link) Cite error: The named reference "Kabir Jñanananda 2002" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[9] Hess, Linda; Singh, Sukhdev. The Bījak of Kabir (2001 ed.). Motilal Bonardsidass. p. 112. ISBN 8120802160.

[10] Das, Jagessar. The complete Bījak of Kabīr : Guru Kabīr's mystical teachings on God-realization (2015 ed.). New Age Books. p. 400. ISBN 9788178224763.

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