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Deleting material[edit]

(moved from my talk page here, where it belongs) Staszek Lem (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I noticed you mass-deleted important information from Beno Dorn, an article which I've been helping to improve in the last two days. The material was previously added by user Willesden Green. I believe the information you deleted didn't "appear to be false or an expression of opinion" (the only criteria in WP:NOCITE for deletion). Although uncited in the article, much of what you've deleted could be easily verified using a simple Google search, and citation could be added as the article is improved. I recommend you seriously consider adding the material back to the article. Thanks. -- IsaacSt (talk) 20:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@IsaacSt:. Sorry, disagreed. The only thing that can be thoroughly verified is association with the Beatles. None of personal detail is verifiable. If I miss something, please fill in, with references. Out of courtesy, I left the awards (tagged), which can probably be verified by some local press (I failed to find, though). However I highly doubt that birth/family info and career details are covered anywhere. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since you mention that example, do the birth and death dates that you deleted fall under "appears to be false" or "an expression of opinion"? -- IsaacSt (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@IsaacSt: - they fall under "unverifiable from published reliable sources" As I see, you are infrequent wikipedia editor, therefore please get a better knowledge of our major policies about content: WP:V and WP:NOR. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please move the discussion back to its original location. Per WP:RTP, "If another editor objects to refactoring then the changes should be reverted." Also, I suggest we do not make it personal, as you have started. I know the policies well. The vast majority of the material on Wikipedia is yet uncited. Mass-deleting material in an article that is obviously currently being edited is disruptive. This is my last post on this thread, regardless of what you reply, unless I have something new to say, since obviously this isn't going anywhere, and I want to avoid a WP:REPEAT -- IsaacSt (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no moving back. Article content must be discussed in article talk pages, where other editors may express their opinions. This is not just between you and me: this discussion is about the article. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

re: The vast majority of the material on Wikipedia is yet uncited -- this is an invalid argument. A mess somewhere else is not a reason no keep mess anywhere else. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notability problems[edit]

So far, the notability claim is based on two things: (A) suits of the Beatles and (B) tailoring awards.

Claim A is questionable because notability is not inherited. Claim B is questionable, because it does not look like these are major industry awards.

In addition, it seems there is no significant coverage of these persons. All sources I see simply mention that the Beatles got their first suits from Dorn. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]