Talk:Belgian waffle

Merge?

Shouldn't this be merged with the waffle article, it already has a belgian waffle section. Both articles also have some conflicting information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.127.159 (talk) 12:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

AGREE: Since adding my comment below, I went to the Wikipedia Waffle article and agree that this article is a pale one compared to that with all the Belgian-types described and extensive history. Any small amount of information found in this very brief article that's not already mentioned in the extensive one should be folded into it. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 02:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose: Why? Belgian waffles are a notable subset of "waffles", so deserve their own article. If you read you article, you'll realize that a Belgian waffle is not just a generic term, but a particular type... Would you really consider merging Wine and Champagne? —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose: They are notable, and there's much more legitimate, encyclopedic information here than could be reasonably crammed into the waffle article. I also like Brigade Piron's Wine/Champagne analogy. Oreo Priest ^talk 09:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

• Notability is inherent in the Belgian waffle mention in WP. If they weren't notable, they would not be eligible for inclusion anywhere on the site, whether as a stand-alone article or as a section of a more complete article.
• Comparing the the full waffle article and thin Belgian waffle article to the extensive articles on both wine and champagne is not a viable comparison.
• Belgian waffles would (hopefully!) not be "crammed" into the waffle article, but folded in with skill, just like with any other merge.

I still think that the Belgian waffle article stands on weak legs by itself whereas it would enhance the waffle article.

But why argue over waffles? Thank you for your time, 02:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

NOTE: This is wordreader - I am signed in at the top of the page but I must have somehow been able to delete the 4 tildes I typed in. Sorry! Wordreader (talk) 03:00, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Remove Brussels Waffle.

Please remove the Brussels Waffle picture , and add an American "Belgian Waffle" picture in it's breakfast setting instead. There should be no confusion to the fact that the now American "Belgian Waffle" which originated from Vermersch's recipe is a different waffle than the Brussels waffle(which is up to an inch and a half high , crispy , mostly filled with air). The Origin of the american "Belgian Waffle" is a Belgian , but that doesn't make the "Belgian Waffle" a Belgian product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.101.79.66 (talk) 11:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

At present, unfortunately, the article only explains the differences between 'Belgian' and 'standard American' or 'traditional North American' waffles (which may be convenient from a North American perspective), but there is no information about the differences between the 'Belgian waffle' and the original Brussels waffle, otherwise than that the recipe was 'simplified'. On the present photo it looks like a Brussels waffle but with rounded sides. (The old photo mentioned above was File:Brussels_waffle.jpg, by the way.) In the page history I found some descriptions of the differences:

• 'Brussels waffles are crispy on the outside', in the article until 24 April 2014; originally added by 83.101.79.66 who also said that they are 'hard' on the outside, but I think that would be an exaggeration.
• 'the contemporary form of ['Belgian waffles'] is a hybrid of traditional American waffles' chemically-leavened ingredients and the larger form of ... Brussels waffles', added on 7 August 2012 but quickly removed.

Best regards, Bever (talk) 02:36, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

They are so different the comparison is misleading. You appear to be Belgian. A 'Belgian waffle' is most like the vanilla waffles sold in Belgium in terms of texture, though it can often even be as soft as a pannekoek/crepe. They are also usually round and very large, usually over 20 centimetres (7.9 in) across. I think you're right that we should add some explanation to the page to make it more clear, but I personally think the Brussels Waffle is the wrong starting point. Thoughts? Oreo Priest ^talk 13:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm Dutch. Although I listen to Belgian radio or watch Belgian tv regularly, and ate a waffle when I was in Antwerp a few years ago, I am not really an expert on this. Bever (talk) 18:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Country of origin

If it was premiered at the Expo 58 fair in Brussels, how come it is a "North American" invention? ---Brigade Piron (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Not a North American invention, (invented by a Belgian) but a dish that you are likely to find in North America and will never find in Belgium. Hence it makes sense to call it a North American food. Oreo Priest ^talk 15:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

So the category should also be changed from 'Belgian cuisine' into 'American cuisine', I suppose. Bever (talk) 02:11, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

"Real" Belgian waffles?

I have been looking on the 'Net for an authentic-sounding Belgian waffle recipe, not a commercialized American style. I read a comment attached to one of the recipes I found that said (paraphrasing) it was not a real Belgian waffle because it used milk. Even recipes I saw that utilized yeast instead of baking powder universally utilized milk. I saw the "Liège waffle", a yeast bearing recipe that made a denser dough vs thinner batter (still had milk, though). Is that considered a more original Belgian-type waffle? I'm confused! Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 02:28, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You apparently didn't read the article. "Belgian waffles" are American, and don't exist in Belgium. Go ahead and read it; you'll find it interesting. Oreo Priest ^talk 09:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Oreo Priest - Please try not to be so snarky to WP posters in the future. We really don't mean any harm to you. I read the article where both the lede and the history sections indicate other than what you wrote.

Lede: The Belgian waffle is a type of waffle popular in Europe and North America. What is known in North America as the "Belgian waffle" does not exist in Belgium. No single type of waffle is identified as a "Belgian waffle" within Belgium itself, where there are a number of different varieties, including the Brussels waffle and the Liège waffle. Compared to the standard American waffle, it is identified by its larger size, lighter batter, larger squares, and a higher grid pattern that forms deep pockets. It also traditionally uses yeast instead of baking powder,[1] although contemporary Belgian waffles are often made with baking powder.

History: Originally showcased in 1958[2] at Expo 58 in Brussels, Belgian waffles were introduced to North America by a Belgian named Walter Cleyman at the Century 21 Exposition in Seattle in 1962, and served with whipped cream and strawberries.[3] The waffles were further popularized in the United States during the 1964 New York World's Fair[1] at Flushing Meadows Park. The waffle was introduced by Maurice Vermersch of Brussels, Belgium, and was named the Bel-Gem Waffle.

I am interested in the waffles as prepared in northwestern Europe; that's why I labeled my query: "Real" Belgian waffles?

I am also an Oreo fan, though I prefer the Newman's Own variety, "Newman Os". They pay a royalty to Nabisco, but are organic, which means they are really health food .^_^.

Yours, Wordreader (talk) 18:56, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Even re-reading your original comment, you still seem confused, and it still seems like you didn't read the article, although I now see that you did. There is no "the waffles as prepared in northwestern Europe"; there are a multitude. You should search for "Brussels waffle", "Liège waffle", "gaufre aux oeufs", "gaufre au vanille", "stroopwafel" or "galette campinoise"; all of these are Belgian and waffles, but none would normally be called a "Belgian waffle", and none are what is called a "Belgian waffle" in North America. Hope this helps. Oreo Priest ^talk 20:21, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

October?

″They cannot be sold during the month of October in preparation for Christmas.″

I see this added two days ago. Logic would say this was meant to say, "They cannot be sold during the month of December in preparation for Christmas." Stopping sales for only October when Christmas is almost three months away seems odd. Also, I can't find any verification of this for either month, or an explanation as to why anywhere. What is the source for this?

countessellis (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I think this is a WP:HOAX and will remove it unless someone really objects.—Brigade Piron (talk) 09:54, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Belgium Waffles

It concerns me very much when I read that the Belgium Waffle was introduced at the 1962 World's Fair by a Walter Cleyman! That is soooo incorrect! My father Harry Van Den Eede brought the Belgium Waffle to the 1962 World's Fair. I have the movie, the pictures of Elvis eating my dad's waffles. Get the facts straight. 2001:1970:549D:E600:C5E2:5D8B:3E2:D339 (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Doing research about who made Belgian waffles an international dish and find your comment interesting. Do you have a list of vendors at the 1962 world fair with your father's name mentioned? Additionally, I found a photo with an article statement of Walter Cleyman at the World Fair and in it he references how he has attended previous world fairs (I'll specifically mention the 1958 Brussels World Fair but I believe he was at every world fair between 1958 and 1962).

Finally, I am doing my research in Flemish and French, as those are the common languages of Belgium (German too as a minority). In French, Flemish, and English, I find no reference of Harry Den Eede. I'd be happy to help change the narrative if proper evidence can be provided from vendor lists for the World Fair, news articles, photos, etc. Goldarrow16 (talk) 18:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)