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Battle of Karakilisia

Ottaman victory Darkl1yy (talk) 06:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Result

As mentioned above, this was indeed a victory for the Ottomans, as I pointed out in the article:
Allen: ”Thus both Silikov and Dro, operating on terms of numerical equality with the enemy, had each secured an important success. But the failure of Nazarbekov against the 36th and 5th Caucasian Divisions made the situation of the Erevan group still rather precarious.”.
Gilbert: “On May 26, the Turks won the Battle of Karakilis. 5,000 Armenians escaped through mountain passes.”.
As for the rest, as I understand it, the authors decided that this was a victory for Armenia, referring to Reynolds, the source himself does not mention the battle as a victory for the Armenians, On the contrary, he believed that the Armenians could not successfully advance.
Reynolds: „The victory at Sardarabad stirred some Armenian commanders to dream of going on the offensive. Nazarbekov, however, entertained no such fantasies and ordered that hostilities cease.” Dushnilkin (talk) 19:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey your source might be wrong. It is stated in the article, "... massacre all its population of 4,000 people," [the Ottomans entered Vanadzor/Gharakilisa/Karakilisa]. Are these 5,000 Armenians just Armenians in general, or does this refer to the population of the city? Because these two pieces of information conflict with each other... And i have other sources stating that the armenians won. Such as [this one] Which also states that 4,000 people were massacred. Again, your sources might be false. Frenchman1953 (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 13:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My sources correspond to WP:RS, and the one you provided is WP:QUESTIONABLE. Provide something at the level of a monograph, an article in a scientific journal, and so on, then we can change result window. Dushnilkin (talk) 07:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~And if I do find a RS that contradicts your own? We change the result to "disputed", correct? Frenchman1953 (talk) 21:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 13:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Dushnilkin (talk) 09:36, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]