Talk:Battle of Columbus (1916)

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"Just changed some errors"[edit]

it's not necesary to add a list of death and wounded, its like saying United States its a poor country that it's always attacked, but remember that the United Mexican States gived United States most of its territory, and talk about this as it is History, im mexican and i know by reading and many other people Mexico Won the battle (of course is a battle, not a raid) please stop changing history on your favor.

Mexican victory?[edit]

I am not in favor of either side, but from the description of the battle given to me, neither side truly won. Villa never was able to gain access to logistical supplies and ammo, and lost men in the process. He had failed to even partially complete this objective. The Mexican rebels had to retreat from United States soil because they were being pursued by cavalry.

According to the Spanish version of wikipedia, Villa was in search of an arms supplier whom had sold him faulty ammunition. Even in that account of the battle, the Mexican rebels had failed to capture/kill this arms supplier.

What objectives were accomplished? The Mexican rebels, from all the accounts I have read, lost much larger amounts of men than the Americans and had to completely withdraw from the United States as soon as possible (largely due to their failure to recognize the 330+ cavalry unit within the city). How can this battle be considered a Mexican victory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.87.239.175 (talk) 12:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Medal of Honor[edit]

The article says "With Colonel Slocum gone, Major Frank Tompkins led the cavalry's hot pursuit of Villa into Mexico and killed more than a hundred of his soldiers, for which he received the Medal of Honor, in 1918.[2]" The link says that Tompkins received the Army Distinguished Service Medal, not the Medal of Honor. I'm changing it to reflect the correct award. I'm also going to work on the wording, as the award citation is not "for killing a bunch of Villistas." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.85.22 (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Non-agreement in Infobox captured/hanged numbers[edit]

In the infobox, under the heading of "Casualties and Losses", the following statistic is listed: "Captured: 2". In the note beneath, it claims that the "5" captured Mexicans were hanged after the battle. Neither statistic is supported by a reference. In the body of the article, the confirmed casualty report lists that six Mexican troops were captured, and five were later hanged. I have updated this information in the infobox. OliverTwisted (Talk)(Stuff) 05:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a repeated pattern of vandalism involving changing the number of soldiers killed to various random numbers. While I'm sure it is great fun to attempt to change the outcome of the battle so that the Villistas won, this is not the historically accurate version. Upon checking the article creation, non-vandalized versions and article sources, the number of actual soldiers killed was "8". This number is now listed here on the talk page for future anti-vandalism reference. --OliverTwisted (Talk)(Stuff) 06:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Victory for whom? (cont.)[edit]

I just undid an edit to the Victory line in the infobox--it was U.S., was changed to Mexican, and I reverted it. I have seen both asserted in sources--the Villistas were victorious early on, taking over the town, but the Americans took the town last. In any event, if the consensus is that the U.S. did not win, or even if both sides can claim a win, it should be put down as a "Villista" victory, not a "Mexican" one. Richigi (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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US casualites[edit]

Killed

  • US Military
  • Sgt Mark A Dobbs
  • Sgt John G. Nievergelt
  • Sgt Joe Parsay
  • Corp Harry E. Wiswell
  • Farrier Frank R Kindvall
  • Pvt Thomas F Butler died of wounds
  • Pvt Fred A Griffin
  • Pvt Paul Simon
  • Pvt jesse P taylor [died of wounds at Ft Bliss)
  • Civilians
  • W.A Davidson {Texas National Guardsman]
  • James Todd Dean
  • H.M Hart
  • Milton James
  • Mrs Milton james [with unborn child}
  • J.J. Moore
  • Charles C. Miller
  • Charles DeWitt Miller aka “Unidentifed Chauffeur” had car with El Paso License plates”
  • A.L. Richie
  • John Walton Walker
  • W.R. Walker

Three Civilians killed by Villas forces prior to the raid

  • William O.Corbett
  • Arthur McKinney
  • James o Neill
  • Wounded:
  • Military
  • Captain George E. Williams [Adjutant}
  • Lt C.C. Benson, Troop G
  • Michael Barmazel Machine Gun Troop
  • Theodore Kalorke Troop L
  • John Keogh Troop G
  • John Yarbrough Troop K
  • Jesse Verner Troop M
  • Civilians:
  • M. Puche
  • Mrs. J.J. Moore

Ref Bisbee Daily Review March 10,1916 page 1” 

        “Cordova Daily Times March 10,1916 page 1
        “El Paso Herald         March 10, 1916 page 1” (Home Edition)
        “New York Tribune     March 10,1916 page 2”
         “The West Virginian  March 10, 1916 page 12 72.49.70.132 (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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