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Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2017[edit]

there is a fault in BTS discography in particular the wings album peak chart , it says can't outsold EX'ACT , and that phrase is an insult to the group BTS, that i can't see why wikipedia would allow such a stupid thing here, please, i request to change it , or for someone else to do so, i a waiting for your responses and i will keep on requesting until i'm accepted to edit or the insult is removed Zahiadaoudi (talk) 16:45, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Kosack (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese sales[edit]

Hello, I'm an editor at the Spanish Wikipedia and I've been compiling the group's discography there. I've noted that for the most part, the Japanese sales do not have any sources. I've been looking for them for a while now and I would be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction. --Vermeer 9 (talk) 15:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Finland charts[edit]

I just found out that the rankings in Finland that are included in the single section are actually the Download chart (Suomen virallinen latauslista), not the official singles chart (Suomen virallinen singlelista). Should we edit FIN to FIN Download (or FIN Dwnl. for short) or remove Finland completely from the table? Josh (talk) 05:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Come Back Home[edit]

Shouldn't the track be considered a single rather than a collaboration? The original track was written by Seo Taiji, but the cover version had no involvement from Seo himself, he just asked them to re-work it how they saw fit with new lyrics and an updated sound. As it was also released as a single, it would make sense to consider it one. All you have to do is put a notice saying it's a Seo Taiji and Boys cover. VampireKilla (talk) 14:54, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2 Cool 4 Skool[edit]

Is 2 Cool 4 Skool really a single album? The digital version with 7 tracks and the physical version with 9, are an EP. The album charted on the Gaon Album Chart and not on the single chart. Single (music): Despite being referred to as a single, singles can include up to as many as three tracks on them. The biggest digital music distributor, iTunes, accepts as many as three tracks less than ten minutes each as a single, as does popular music player Spotify. Any more than three tracks on a musical release or thirty minutes in total running time is either an extended play (EP) or, if over six tracks long, an album. By e.x. G-Dragon's Kwon Ji Yong has five tracks with 17 minutes and its counted as an EP. Is 2 Cool 4 Skool an EP or not?--Lee (talk) 19:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gaon's album chart is for all physical releases including singles with 1-2 tracks. They don't have a separate singles chart like Oricon. 2 Cool 4 Skool was released as a single in Korea (see Melon) which is surprising considering the amount of tracks. Random86 (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incongruities[edit]

Under Japanese singles it says Crystal Snow was their lead single when it was Mic Drop, which was the song to get a Japanese PV. I'm not sure why someone changed that. Crystal snow should be under the "other songs that charted" section and Mic Drop should be lead single. Also, the Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow single album was added under singles. IF that's going to be added there all of BTS's single albums should be added. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 16:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: I was the one who made the edit. I believe I explained it in the edit history but I'll elaborate here since I have more characters. Mic Drop was released as part of a single entitled "Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow", which was marked as a triple A-side single, which is sourced properly on the DNA and Mic Drop pages. This means that there was no lead single, as all are A-sides. Thus, "Crystal Snow" is single and should be listed as such. "Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow" is also a single album as it has three tracks, and thus shouldn't be listed in the "Singles" section when there is a "Single Album" section.
BTS' Japanese singles have had b-sides in the past (Run having Butterfly, for example), however, I am not sure they qualify as single albums because there are two tracks, and not three. Upon you pointing this out I did some research and I found sources saying 2 and 3 tracks qualify as a single album, while others specify just 3. It's your choice if you would like to move them to the "Single Album" section, however, I personally feel that the only one that belongs there is "Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow". The title implies multiple tracks and it's BTS' only triple A-side single, so it leans more towards the album section, while all previously released singles were named after one track only and had a maximum of two tracks, while this one had three. Singles and single albums have a fine line of difference. Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 18:36, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyantatata: Then BTS's other singles should still be on there since it's a triple single track. It doesn't make sense to put just one when you're saying all three are equally singles from the album. Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: I'm not quite sure what you mean. The actual tracks can be on the singles list if they charted separately from the album, but Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow as a unit shouldn't be. I looked into it more and if it's not a album of multiple a-sides I don't think it qualifies as a single album. Chise, Ase, Namida wasn't a single album since the only a-side was that song and Spring Day/Not Today were b-sides. Mic Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow was marked as all a-sides. Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 04:46, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Billboard Sales[edit]

Why isn't streaming equivalent sales included in Love Yourself: Her? HYYH pt. 1, HYYH pt. 2, and Wings include SEA and it is odd that LY:Her is an exception. For consistency, Love Yourself total sales should be 39,000. Ersity8 (talk) 01:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After looking through the edit history, it seems like everyone is against adding in SEA. If that is the case, I suggest removing HYYH pt.1 and HYYH pt.2 Billboard sales since the article does not clarify whether it is traditional album sales or SPS. Epilogue: Young Forever should be 2,000, not 6,000. Wings should be 13,000, not 22,000. Add citation for Wings: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/7542131/bts-wings-highest-charting-best-selling-kpop-album-billboard-200Ersity8 (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ersity8: Thank you for pointing these out. When I have the time to I can fix this, however, you yourself are always welcome to edit the page and fix this information as well! Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 01:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ersity8: As a follow up, since I am fixing this information now... the HYYH Pt.1 and Pt.2 stats say they sold "copies" which usually implies physical, not unit/SEAs, so I'm inclined to leave it. I'd value a second opinion on this. The other issues have been resolved. Thanks again for pointing it out! Nyantatata ^-^ (Say hi!) 19:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Nyantatata: An albumcopie can also be something you buy on Itunes. If it says it sold 2,000 copies in the States, then it sold these copies in May 2015. I would also use notes to indicate when the Sales figures there published. since BTS is blowing up in the USA. They probably sold more albums by now. I hope you can understand it, i'm not fluent in english.--Lirim | T 09:33, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018[edit]

Sales Tanspired97 (talk) 16:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 16:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018[edit]

Sales Tanspired97 (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2018[edit]

The upcoming album Love Yourself Answer is a reissue album, not a compilation album. Cynicalcynical (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 18:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: Reissue or Compilation album[edit]

Going to finally address this. Answer is currently labeled as a reissue, however I'm questioning whether to not it should be listed as a compilation album instead.

First of all, Korean sources label it a "repackage", however what certain records are called in the Korean music industry and the English-speaking one (which Wikipedia uses) differs. EPs in K-Pop are frequently called "mini albums" when they are not mini-LPs and, BTS' first compilation album was called a "special" album by news outlets when it was first announced. According to reliable sources Answer will be similar to Young Forever in terms of content and will compile songs songs from both Love Yourself: Tear and Love Yourself: Her. It is compiling songs from two previous releases, and is not a simple reissue of Love Yourself: Tear with additional tracks like You Never Walk Alone was to Wings. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 16:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The track list was revealed, and it's very clearly a compilation album. This thread has been unanswered for ten days, so I'm going to do the change. Please reply to this thread if there is a problem. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 15:07, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Japan digital and physical[edit]

Why is it important for Japanese sales to show how much was physical and how much digital? I think they should just be added together because it just takes up more room and seems kind of pointless to differentiate.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support some sort of merge or deletion. The source for digital "sales" is actually download numbers, which isn't necessarily a sale, and the "physical" numbers is just album sales. I looked around Oricon and nothing on there specifies it's just physical album sales, but it's possible I've missed something. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 02:36, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DanielleTHI didn't even realize that it was just downloads. Normally if things aren't able to be confirmed we don't keep them, kind of like how when certifications come out for billboards we don't say they sold half a million digital songs. If they have to be included maybe they should just be added to the album page as none of the sales are confirmed?Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 02:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DanielleTH Oricon's digital album chart shows the numbers of paid downloads; in what way could those not be sales? It's well known that Oricon's main album/single charts only track physical sales (having a hard time finding references, but here's one.) That's why it was such a big deal when they came out with the digital download charts in late 2016. Random86 (talk) 03:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Random86: Thanks for clearing this up. I'm still learning Oricon and I was looking into seeing if Oricon uses album equivalent units in their digital sales (they'd be unusable then) but it looks like they don't, so they're paid downloads. So I support just merging them. Every other sale we have merges digital and physical sales anyway. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 04:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Since this page isn't even consistent with what chart is used for sales from Japan (Oricon and Billboard are both used), I think it makes sense to combine the physical and digital sales numbers. Random86 (talk) 03:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

US World[edit]

Tagging some editors I see a lot on here: Kleool, Moongang121, Wasteitonme, Chiyako92, Ss112, Lirim.Z, Ukiss2ne14lyfe. Regarding the US World section, I assume it's up there because BTS charted a lot on there before they began to hit the Billboard 200, but truthfully having two US columns seems incredibly US-centric to me, especially with them charting fairly high in other countries. Is there a particular reason we can't have the Billboard 200 only and then put album positions as notes like we already do with NZ vs. NZ Heatseekers? DanielleTH (Say hi!) 01:15, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure I aggree to the "US centric", but your comparison about NZ vs NZ heatseeker seems to be valid. BTS have been #1 on World Albums for several consecutive albums already, and chart BB200 even with japanese release. So removing US World (to make space for another country for example), personally, makes sense to me. TL:DR - Support Kleool (talk) 07:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support With BTS charting in many other countries, it would be nice to replace US World with one of them. --Chiya92 08:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I also feel like the US World chart is not longer needed--Wasteitonme (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

JPN single albums[edit]

Kleool I'm somewhat confused why you added all of those singles. Those aren't single albums, they weren't released alone as a physical album. Those sales are just for the single, which is why they were originally on BTS singles discography. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 17:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DanielleTH i wasn't the one who added them.. i just kept updating, because i wasn't sure if they were supposed to be there or not. and noone else removed them when they got added. The MIC Drop/DNA/Crystal Snow and Fake Love/Airplane Pt. 2 had been there since the beginning of the year. Then Lights got added (no idea by who either.. would have to scour through history). the rest of the list was added by 126.209.217.93 on 20th June.Kleool (talk) 17:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)~[reply]
P.S. all japanese singles are released as physical cd'sKleool (talk) 17:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh apologies Kleool, for some reason I looked through the edit history and thought you were the one who added it. I know that singles are released physically if they're... actually released, but all of their music when they were signed to PonyCan was released online as an MV and then later with the album, never as a single album. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 17:44, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's ok. But i'm not sure i follow about the PonyCanyon statement? you can buy all those singles on cd in japanese shops.Kleool (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Were they ever released as singles though? They were released as part of the albums only, not as singles as far as I know. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:11, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh you're correct, it seems that they were back in the day. Their Japanese articles are pretty sparse. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 18:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
the running style of their jpn releases is to release 2-3 singles, then combine them (with few new songs, one at least is a new original jpn song) into an album. Kleool (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible uncorrect statement[edit]

I was re-reading the 13th source, the one stating that "[BTS] accounted for 65% of the total albums sold in Korea that year [2018]", and I would like to ask an editor who's fluent in Korean to check it, because Google translates "방탄소년단 이외에도 워너원, 엑소, 갓세븐, 슈퍼주니어, 샤이니 등을 포함한 보이 그룹 앨범 판매량이 전체 앨범 판매량의 65%를 차지하며 보이 그룹의 인기를 보여줬다" very differently as something like "Sales of albums by boy groups including, BTS aside, Wanna One, EXO, GOT7, SUPER JUNIOR, SHINee etc. accounted for 65% of the total album sales". As far as BTS are concerned, there's "전체 역직구 음반 판매량 중 3집 '러브 유어셀프'를 포함한 그룹 방탄소년단 앨범이 전체의 21%로 가장 많았다", which, if the translation "Of the total albums sales, BTS 3 "Love Yourself" albums accounted for 21%, the largest portion of the total" is correct, could be used instead. We could also precise that figures are from G-Market Global Shop, the nation's largest e-commerce platform of SK operated by eBay Korea. --Chiyako92 15:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Chiyako92: I see that i'm like a year late.. i'm not a korean speaker, but based on Gaon's annual chart review [1], they state that BTS made up 22.6% of top400 albums.. so 65% is fully unrealistic. Kleool (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MOTS7 sales figures update[edit]

Kleool that unsourced 347k->552k IP edit you recently undid was based on Nielsen's mid-year report that was released this morning. Billboard published the link to it here. It's a downloadable PDF. Do with that what you will if it can be used. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 22:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Carlobunnie: thank for the link :), but I had seen it. I was waiting/hoping for an article (eg Forbes) (as it'd look better than a plain pdf link, imo). I undid the change for this reason (and anon IP changed it with 0 reference at all). If none pops up, well have to make do w PDF. (P.s. Ty for ping on talk page, would have missed this) Kleool (talk) 23:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kleool: yeah I figured as much but still thought I'd link it on the off chance you hadn't. I said if for the same reason, cuz article form would have been ideal. Something will pop up I'm sure. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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