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Featured articleArsenal Women 11–1 Bristol City Women is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 21, 2020Good article nomineeListed
November 23, 2020Featured article candidateNot promoted
January 13, 2021Peer reviewReviewed
March 28, 2021Featured article candidateNot promoted
April 25, 2021Peer reviewReviewed
May 23, 2021Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 4, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Arsenal Women's 11–1 win over Bristol City at Meadow Park in 2019 was the widest margin of victory in the history of the FA Women's Super League?
Current status: Featured article


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Shouldn't the title of article be Arsenal W.F.C 11–1 Bristol City W.F.C per all other such articles about single "superlative" matches (e.g. Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C., Nottingham Forest F.C. 1–8 Manchester United F.C., Manchester United F.C. 4–3 Manchester City F.C. (2009))? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 17:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edwininlondon this comment appears to have been overlooked, what do you reckon? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, indeed, I completely missed this! Yes, it seems that the title is not in line. I'm okay to change. (I didn't create the article.) Just thinking though if it is obvious to the reader that this is about women football. Let me do a bit of research first... Edwininlondon (talk) 08:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so sure that is the common practice to include F.C. in the titles. Take Sutton United 2–1 Coventry City (1989) and Yeovil Town 2–1 Sunderland (1949). There is no consistent WP:FOOTY guideline on the title so maybe that needs to be considered there rather than here. Personally I think they are fine without the F.C. . The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, User:The C of E, I will raise the topic of club names in match articles there. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Without the FC it is ambiguous what the sport is. The examples given above are outliers and should also be moved. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 09:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be unaddressed at present. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 14:36, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see the discussion on WP:FOOTY has been archived without any conclusion. Not sure if I was meant to do something to drive towards a conclusion, if so apologies. My plan now is to introduce the issue in the nomination blurb when I bring the article back to FAC. I'm waiting for someone from the copy-edit guild now to work on the prose. Once that is that I will bring it back and we can see what the collective wisdom there leads to. Edwininlondon (talk) 13:09, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with @The Rambling Man: that this does not match standard article naming conventions for association football club matches, and am perplexed that it has reached the main page as today's FA without it being noticed/changed... GiantSnowman 09:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 October 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved.

It seems Iggy the Swan has requested this move as being the consensus of a (less comprehensive) discussion elsewhere. They haven't given any policy reason to support the move and their comment below accepts the force of Amakuru's opposition. Accordingly, I don't take them to be supporting the move. For the same reason, I discount the Paul Vaurie's support "per nom". I therefore count 2 editors supporting the move and 4 opposing.

The arguments against are per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE, which are of course long standing policies representing a broad community consensus, and no attempt has been made to rebut these points. The arguments in favour are per WP:CONSISTENT and that "W.F.C." "provides incredibly useful/vital context". The context provided has not been explained: compare comments by Amakuru and Edwininlondon that "W.F.C." adds nothing. While consistency is desirable, the majority of participating editors did not consider this to outweigh the other factors and/or considered that the solution would be to move the base articles.

Accordingly I find a consensus not to move.(non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 14:58, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Arsenal Women 11–1 Bristol City WomenArsenal W.F.C. 11–1 Bristol City W.F.C. – per section above and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 146#Arsenal Women 11–1 Bristol City Women, it looks like there is an agreement that I've titled this article wrong when I created it the day after that match was played. I think GiantSnowman will agree with that. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per WP:CONCISE. Adding "W.F.C." adds nothing to this title, as unlike the articles on the football clubs themselves, it's obvious when talking of a scoreline that we refer to football clubs. You don't seem to have given an actual reason why this is necessary in the rationale above. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to add, "Arsenal W.F.C." and "Bristol City W.F.C." appear to be misnomers. The clubs themselves are called Arsenal Women and Bristol City Women. They are integral parts of the corresponding men's clubs, not separate "W.F.C." entities.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.