Talk:Architecture of the Song dynasty/GA2

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Reviewer: Buggie111 (talk · contribs · count) 01:24, 3 October 2011 (UTC) Hello there. I remember this article vividly when I first stumbled across it at FTRC. I thought about trying to fix the GAR problems, but decided against it. Now, here goes:[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  • "built upon the accomplishments of its predecessors"? Rather POV, favoring the older dynasties (I know trivial, but still POV). I'd suggest a rewrite. Also, the dyansty articles before this are rather lacking inarchitecture info. The Tang and Han have the word "architecture" in their article about three items each. While the Han dynasty page has just a two sentence paragraph. All the others don't have anything. so, what can show that the song dyanasty actually "built" off of their predecessors architecture.
  • "as did the architecture of subsequent dynastic periods of China" Doesn't relate to the article.
  • "was no exception" Sounds too dramatic. Say "For example..."
  • "guarded by three sets of doors" Huh? Guarding doesn't fit here, at least, I think it doesn't.
    • I think it kind of does. The point of the city wall was to keep out hostile forces, so the word works. I'll try and think of a replacement in the mean time though. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly add a note at the bottom of the page (using <ref group="note") to explain chi, dan, and the like. Place this after the quote.
    • I linked them up, as I think it would be a less awkward solution. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably shorten the description on Bianjing and add in another one or two cities that had palaces (assuming there were any....:p).
    • Bianjing, as the capital, would be the city with the palace. The concept of having multiple palaces, as far as I can tell, really dosen't come into play for a few centuries. The noteworthy secondary palaces, such as Yuanmingyuan, are all post Song. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the should be added in front of, for example, gate names.
    • Based on my understanding, there really isn't a Chinese word that quite works like "the" works in English. The people of the Song Dynasty wouldn't have used it, they'd have referred to the gates the same way we did, direct proper noun reference. Sven Manguard Wha? 05:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The period also featured true cast-iron pagodas, such as the Iron Pagoda of Yuquan Temple (Jade Springs Temple), Dangyang, Hubei Province. Built in 1061, it incorporates 53,848 kg (118,715 lbs) of cast iron and stands 21.28 m (69.82 ft) tall.[14] Imitating contemporary wooden, stone, and brick pagodas, this iron pagoda also features sloping eaves and an octagonal base. The Liuhe Pagoda, or Six Harmonies Pagoda, is another example of Song-era pagoda architecture. It is located in the Southern Song capital of Hangzhou, in Zhejiang Province, at the foot of Yuelun Hill facing the Qiantang River. Although the original was destroyed in 1121, the current tower was erected in 1156 and fully restored by 1165. It stands 59.89 m (196.5 ft) tall, constructed from a red brick frame with 13 stages of wooden eaves. The pagoda, being of considerable size and stature, served as a permanent lighthouse to aid sailors at night (as described in Hangzhou Fu Zhi). During the Southern Song period it was one of the most renowned pieces of architecture in the capital city." Rather promo (it ahs x, y, and z, and right now, you can buy it for.......:)). Also would like a cite at end of second para "most renowned pieces of architecture in the capital city".
    • Tweaked the wording a little bit. I'll ask around and see if ND or wct has a source for that last line. If there is one, we can stick the line back in, but I just removed it, as I don't see a good reason to keep it in the first place. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Look over some spelling/grammar erros in "Tombs of the Northern Song emperors" Guyangi city, for example.
    • I can't find that error, but I'm a terrible proofer. Including the GOCE copyedit, this has gone through three proofreadings though, so I'd have to think that whatever you found was an isolated incident. Sven Manguard Wha? 07:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The two headers "Shen Kuo on Mu Jing and "The treatise of Li Jie: Yingzao Fashi" should be shortened to just the title of the book/writing.
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  • The 2004 and 1993 Steinhardt refs aren't used, so consider removing them or citing something with them.
    • 93 is in use, 97 and 04 were the ones out of use. I cut the sections that those references belonged to, as those sections dealt with other dynasties. Just pulled 97 and 04. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Current books in the reflist should be added to the bibliography using {{cite book}}
    • Done. I can't find an ISBN for Steinhardt, it might not exist, but with the information already there, I was able to get the PDF freely from this website. Everything else isn't current enough for an ISBN or isn't a book. Sven Manguard Wha? 10:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can any of you read Chinese? If not, then consider removing the Chinese refs per WP:NOENG.
    • wctaiwan does, and a few of the earlier writers do as well. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Temples section needs more cites.
    • See the general status at the bottom, since this is the last task on the plate. When this is done I'll be ready for you to look it over again. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  • "although literary works on architecture existed beforehand" Might give a few examples.
    • There are examples, wctaiwan found this one rather quickly, but I worry that a) it would be awkward putting examples in, and b) the examples are not from the Song Dynasty, and I'm trying very hard to make the coverage in the article as much Song Dynasty as possible. Sven Manguard Wha? 09:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anything on Shaohao's tomb during the Nationalist/Communist Eras?
    • If you know something, please share it with me, I'm not coming up with anything in the sources I have available to me.
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  2. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  • Will wait for resolution of above thread.
  1. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    The first two images for the Bianjing section need U.S. PD licenses.
    Since both of the images are older than the United States, I stuck in a PD-1996, although PD-US and PD-100 would have worked as well. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

That's it for now. Buggie111 (talk) 01:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are two points left unaddressed, both require research. I'm doing the research now, I didn't forget about this, I'd appreciate a bit of extra time though, I plan to finish up this coming weekend. Thanks, Sven Manguard Wha? 17:13, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have the research done now, it should be in the article in the next 24 hours. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's in. Please look the article over again and tell me what, if anything, you still think needs doing. Sven Manguard Wha? 14:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Sven! Great job! It warms my heart knowing that someone else cares about this project enough to resubmit it as a Featured Topic candidate! I was upset when it was delisted a while back, and I have not had time to fix anything since I am now a United States Peace Corps volunteer serving in the Kyrgyz Republic. You have done wonderful work here. Keep it up! Thanks and cheers.--Pericles of AthensTalk 07:50, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
High praise coming from one of the people that built the rock that I merely assisted in cleaning up. You should know that this wasn't my effort alone, I hooked user:NickDupree and user:wctaiwan in, and it wouldn't have reached GA again without those two. Thanks for stopping in, enjoy Kyrgyzstan. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:05, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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