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Albanian Is a Balto-Slavic Language

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Also: WP:DFTT. Austronesier (talk) 19:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If carefully studied the Albanian language and the Balto-Slvavic languages share the same roots. Linguists in Albania are more interested in politics than language studies. Only a few linguists study Ukrainian, Russian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Polish, Serbo-Croat and Albanian at the same time. If all these languages were carefully studied the only objective conclusion that could be derived from it is that the Albanian language is a branch of Slavic languages. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:5179:180A:4CB4:2AF8 (talk) 02:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian is part of, but a separate branch of, the Indo-European family.

"Albanian forms a separate branch of Indo-European and cannot conclusively be closely connected with any other Indo-European language." – https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol/albol
"...several innovations define Albanian and set it apart from all other branches of IE..." – https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/indoeuropean-language-family/albanian/235881199CF63D7E9D60E32DA7362DD9
"Albanian (shqip or gjuha shqipe in the language) is an Indo-European language and the only remaining language to represent the old Albanoid branch of Indo-European languages." – https://u.osu.edu/discoveringalbania/language/

Snowman304|talk 02:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citations from linguist who specialize on a different area of language and heavily based on what is usually cited by the Albanian linguists who get very angry if something that does not confirm their theories is presented. These citations do not even mention the fact that 70% of Gheg Albanian words who are based in the Slavic languages have been wiped out of the Albanian language since Tosk became the standard language such as mir (Slavic), mirë (Albanian), good (English); kone (Slavic), kene (Gheg Albanian), qene (Tosk Albanian), be (English); bogatu (Slavic), banu gati (Gheg Albanian), behu gati (Tosk Albanian) get ready (English); plujc (Slavic), prush (Gheg Albanian), zjarr (Tosk Albanian), fire (English). This whole page can be filled with similarities but there is no point of including all of them here. If Slavic languages and Albanian were seriously and objectively studied the conclusion would clearly be that the entire grammatical structure and dictionary of the Albanian language is rooted in Slavic. The similarities are so astonishing that there is no other explanation. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:5179:180A:4CB4:2AF8 (talk) 03:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR Wikipedia does not work via Original Research. Also im not a slavic speaker but at least i know that Slavic Good it means Dobro not Mir. Mir means Peace so here it goes also the POV pushing and Non Reliable Sourcing.RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 09:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Language is language and the Albanians similar to Serbs have the tendency to comingle language with politics. For example, Serbs similar to Albanians claim that the Serbian language has nothing in common with the Croatian language, which in fact is not true it is very similar. They do that for political reasons. The same with the Albanian linguists, they fail to see the resemblance that exists between the Slavic languages and the Albanian language because they believe that somehow it helps them politically by identifying the Albanian language as unique in the midst of other languages when in fact it is not unique but is rooted in the Balto-Slavic languages. The fact is that the Balto-Slavic is the nearest kin of the Albanian language. Objectively speaking there is no dispute about that. Take the alphabet, for example, in addition to the similarity in vocabulary, as clearly seen in my previous comment, the Albanian alphabet has letters that are unique only to the Slavic languages despite the heavy modifications done to the original Albanian alphabet and the introduction of ë since Tosk became the standard Albanian. Despite all of that there are still letters that are unique only to the Slavic and Albanian languages, such as gj(Ð), sh(Š), c(ts), zh(Ž), q (tsh), nj. Just because a letter, for example, is written as gj instead of (Ð) it does not make it different. It is the same letter. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:A4:4E02:F41C:2727 (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about "rrotkari" translate that to slavic. 2600:8801:222:C600:3D5C:1290:C41D:1CB7 (talk) 11:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explains why nearly every Messapic word has a cognate in Albanian. 2/10 ragebait. 141.98.141.192 (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mešari

Mešari which is supposedly the first recorded in the "Albanian" language is entirely based in Latin. "Unë" in "Albanian", uno in Italian, one in English [[1]]. Pagëzoj in "Albanian", baptismo in Italian, baptize in English [[2]]. Emër in "Albanian", nome in Italian, name in English etc. etc. etc. etc. So, it makes no sense to include the entire translation of Mešari here but clearly the "Albanian" language is not unique but a mix of Latin, Slavic, Greek, and Turkish languages. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:B878:7B7B:BAC0:B79A (talk) 03:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The "Albanian" language is a very beautiful language, and the reason why it is a very beautiful language is because it is a mixed language and traces of Latin, Slavic, Greek and Turkish can be found in it, not because it is unique. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:B878:7B7B:BAC0:B79A (talk) 04:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the point you're trying to make, and I think you don't know either. Your behavior exhibits signs of self-talking. Perhaps stop edit-warring on this article.

Also, unë does not mean "one" in Albanian, but "I". Words can seem as Latin as they want to be, still, Alb. "katër" (4) independently evolved from PIE *kʷétur- without Latin influence (quattuor). Also, it's named "Meshari" not "Mesâri". Your statements lack existence and usage of high-quality sources in academic scholarship.

Thanks. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you fail to see the resemblance between quattuor and katr it seems that your academic study is of not much of value. Quattuor is not of much value in academic studies. Pes (five in English), (пять in Russian), and me (to in English) is of much more value. The me (to in English), in tosk më, and pes (five in English), (пять in Russian) clearly indicates that the this language is rooted in Slavic but heavily influenced by Turkish and especially Latin given that the country around the world is known as Albania derived from the Latin tribe Alban, and known by themselves as Shqiptari (accipiter) derived from Latin as well.[[3]] 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:B47A:4817:8D2B:C3F4 (talk) 23:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about шесть (in Rusian six) and gjasht ( in English six)? 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:B47A:4817:8D2B:C3F4 (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention you must stop clique editing. 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:512D:EF09:2623:1C18 (talk) 05:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you mentally fit? This won't get you anywhere. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that you are not fit for encyclopedia editing, and academic studies. You are more fit to lay bricks. So don't waste your time in encyclopedia editing and academic studies, instead go and do what you should be doing which is lay bricks. Go lay bricks!!! 172.8.196.244 (talk) 01:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above user: This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing... back in 2024. This is an attempt to get around the block. Administrators?? 2603:6080:21F0:79E0:21AB:1689:30D3:85A1 (talk) 09:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]