Talk:Agnes of Essex

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death[edit]

The intro gives her death as "c. 1212", but the end of the second paragraph says she "died sometime in or after 1206". If sources disagree, can we attribute the estimates? --Delirium (talk) 19:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The date c. 1212 is more recent, based on a new piece of evidence that she was still alive in that year to make a payment to the crown. So while "in or after 1206" is correct, "in or after 1212" is more accurate. DeAragon 07:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Mother[edit]

Henry of Essex married twice, first to Cecily, then to the heiress Alice de Montfort, widow of Robert de Vere, royal constable. The Complete Peerage misidentifies Agnes's mother as Cecily. Alice brought Henry the office of royal constable and the barony of Haughley. He succeeded Alice's first husband Robert de Vere (son of Bernard, not a known relation of the earl of Oxford), whose death is usually given as "about 1151" but who probably died in 1149-50. It was not at all unusual in this period for widows to remarry within six months or less, especially when, like Alice de Montfort, they were heiresses. DeAragon 07:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)