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Hello,

I was going through the results and I was wondering why there is no reference to the Kingston Independent Residents Group. Their candidate got 1,177 votes, and they went by 'Kingston Independent Residents - Justice for Subpostmasters' on the SOPN. Have they just been bundled in with independents in the tallies? This would seem to contradict what has happened with the independent network. Any information would be appreciated.

Regards Quinby (talk) 17:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The results infobox had some issues earlier that we fixed, and it looks like the BBC source being used ends at parties receiving 1,967 votes, so I believe that's likely a mistake, since the KIRG is a registered political party. I'm not sure how to proceed, because right now a good part of the infobox is unsourced, which would pose an issue. AnOpenBook (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@AnOpenBook that does seem like a frustrating situation. I recently went over all constituencies and found no other issues other than KIRG and that the parties below 500 votes were significantly less than the current table says. I did not look at independents however. Quinby (talk) 16:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

All information is in the "House of commons official document on the election results" Seen here: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10009/CBP-10009.pdf which comes from this link. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10009/

Those documents include the Kingston Independent Residents Group, so I'm not sure if that's simply an error or if another source is being used which doesn't mention them. Also, this isn't cited on the results infobox, so it really should be if it is the source. Thank you for sharing it, though! AnOpenBook (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I was the one who added a lot of the smaller parties to the infobox - I simply checked which constituencies they were standing in and tallied the votes. This source would be far better though to update the numbers with. It's possible I simply missed the KIRG. I believe the parties with less than 500 section may have simply taken off the total votes for listed parties from the total vote count - but I think this was done before I added most of the smaller parties, which could explain the discrepancy. Eastwood Park and strabane (talk) 22:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Infobox House of Commons composition diagram

I notice that File:House of Commons (2024 election).svg displays the SDLP as being on the opposition benches; in reality whilst they're not part of the government, the SDLP MPs sit on the government benches. @Ravenpuff: as you created that diagram- would there be any objection to moving the SDLP to the government bench in the diagram? Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 18:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Chessrat: The SDLP is still considered an opposition party irrespective of where they choose to sit in the chamber, so I think changing the diagram would make it a bit disingenuous. The point of the diagram isn't really to mimic the actual seating arrangement of the House of Commons (there isn't enough room in the chamber for all 650 MPs anyway), but to illustrate the scale of the government's majority. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 20:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

The diagram is specifically designed to mimic the seating arrangement of the House of Commons though? The Speaker at the head of the room, the government benches on his right and Opposition benches on his left. There are many possible graph styles for charting the scale of the majority; the fact that this one is arranged in the style of the House of Commons seating layout implies (incorrectly) that the SDLP MPs sit on the Opposition benches. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, yes, there is some deliberate structure to the diagram, which does allude to the conventional Commons seating arrangement. But I'd argue that your suggested change would imply (incorrectly) that the SDLP MPs form part of HM Government, where in fact they are an opposition party (regardless of how close they are to Labour politically). The best way to interpret the diagram is to consider one side to be the governing party and the other side to be all the opposition parties, which is the clearest way of illustrating the parliamentary majority. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 00:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I might also add that this diagram was taken directly from the (regularly updated) diagram used in the infobox of House of Commons of the United Kingdom. The context there makes clear why the diagram is laid out as it is. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 00:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I can see the argument for that- I suppose the issue is that the case of a sister party which sits on the government benches but which is not part of the government is quite unique, so any layout has potential to be misleading to some readers. My inclination is that for a diagram in the style of the Commons chamber actual seating arrangements should be followed regardless, but that perhaps a note could be useful explaining the SDLP situation. Would be interesting to hear other editors' thoughts too. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 01:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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