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House-Flaschka-Ashby Graduate Student Award -
In digging up details for the Hermann Flaschka page I came across the above award that was named after, among others, Hermann's dad. The School of Chemistry doesn't have a wikipedia page. Neither does H.A. Flaschka. I think it's a bit off topic on his son's page. So where should it go? Plse. make suggestions and/or add to the appropriate page. BTW. There are tons of these award things around, so this is not going to be a one off problem. A general solution would help. 99.11.160.111 (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest making a page for the dad if you think he's notable enough to have one. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was more thinking along the lines of creating a page for the various awards if we can't squeeze them in here. There's scarce enough info for biographies as it is. If we want to make separate pages for all the people that have awards named after them we end with a heck of a mountain of work. H.A. Flaschka has published a fair bit, but I think that's too flimsy to make a page. 99.11.160.111 (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's usually the approach that works, though. For example D. M. Smith was important to the school but most of what we know about him came from Engineering the New South. Can you find a an award page like the one you're suggesting somewhere else in Wikipedia? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 05:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous separate awards pages. E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Scott_Ferguson_award or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Outstanding_Students_Awards I think this approach, just like starting a page for someone we have very little info on just leads to pages that won't go anywhere and will remain short forever or more likely get axed after a while. I've had some bad experience with 'Deletopedia' I think putting all the awards on one page and then farming them out once there's some flesh on some of them would make more sense. A couple of issues of the "Nique" should give enough of them to make a list on a page that can be used for further work. 99.11.160.111 (talk) 14:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Pioneer
So, the following text was added to the article, and I'm moving it here as-is so we can discuss its inclusion.
A monthly newsletter based in the Wallace H. Coulter Department of Biomedical Engineering at Georgia Tech and Emory, The Pioneer[1] is powered completely by undergraduate students at Georgia Tech. It serves as Tech's channel of communication for undergraduates, graduates, faculty, staff, and alumni of the biotechnology community. Founded Spring of 2007, The Pioneer was originally distributed online and intended for members of GT Biomedical Engineering Society[2]. Since then it has grown to cover biotechnology news, student and department events, outstanding professors, students, and alumni, and tips to help students succeed to supplement the flow of communication in the GT Biotechnology Quad. The newsletter is supported by a team of students in the Coulter Department and advised by numerous faculty and staff of the Georgia Institute of Technology.
My thoughts:
It's unreferenced other than blatant external links to content
It was added by a user that apparently has not edited Wikipedia before that edit, Steven.touchton (talk·contribs).
I agree with the removal. Probably much better suited for the department's wiki article, though a full paragraph might be too much. MaxVeers (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Yeah, there were some news articles about this. I just haven't gotten around to revising the article yet. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is being directly linked so it can be archived
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dead link?
Fn 155 ^ "Princeton Review says Georgia Tech is One of the Toughest". BuzzWords. Georgia Tech Alumni Association. 2002-01-01. Retrieved 2008-02-09. "It's not news to students or graduates, but the Princeton Review confirms that Georgia Tech is one of the nation's toughest schools." appears to be a dead link.Kdammers (talk) 12:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While unfortunate, it doesn't seem to have had any lasting impact on the school or on society at large, and doesn't appear to reflect any issiue solely intrinsic to Georgia Tech. The article is from 2007 and there is little mention in other sources after 2009. Acroterion(talk) 13:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I briefly mentioned the lawsuit against the school in the article about G. Wayne Clough, but that already has plenty of sources. Disavian (talk) 18:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ray Anderson in Alumni
Hi, I was hoping to add Ray Anderson in the Alumni section. He is a bit of a hero to me, and I have read in his book "Confessions of a Radical Industrialist" that he attended Georgia Tech. It also states this on his wiki page, "Anderson was an honors graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology in the school of industrial and systems engineering in 1956".
Anyone oppose this? I do not mind if someone wants to add it for me, I am just not sure on the etiquette for doing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MNicoll (talk • contribs) 00:19, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Removal of the STRESS section
I removed the section on Student Stress and although less than 12 hours later it was put back up, I really think that it should stay gone.
I am new at this and am not looking to flamebait anyone but it does not make sense to devote 5% of the article about GT to student stress. Where do I begin to refute this section? NO other College or University article on Wikipedia has a section devoted to student stress. Stress is definitely a part of college life and I am not trying to downplay it, but most high level schools engender some levels of stress, yet only GT has a section on their Wiki page? GT does not have a monopoly on stress. Would the editors who insist on GT having a section regarding its stressed student body have any luck starting a section on student stress on other university wiki articles? NO.
The article references 2 Princeton Review surveys (both over 12yrs old) that were basically refuted for their lack of scientific rigor, it is just not worth mentioning. Following the the 12 year old surveys the article cites one article in "the Daily Beast" that says GT is in the top 50 stressful Colleges then turns around and cites "the Daily Beast's" contrary survey about how GT is in the top 100 of happiest student bodies, again, really not worth mentioning. Finally the section ends with a 9 year old reference to an article in the student paper where students refer to graduation as "getting out" (the link in the reference here is a dead link, but I don't doubt its existence). Referring to graduation as "getting out" is so common that I would be surprised if some of Socrates students didn't say this too. In fact, every single school to ever exist has had some of its graduates refer to graduation as "getting out", again not worth mentioning.
To even consider having an entire section devoted to the stress level of the student body would require a total rewrite of the section with newer more recent references, (GT is not in Newsweek's top 25 stress Universities in 2012 or the 2012 DailyBeast list) maybe more worthy sources than the Daily Beast, fixed dead links etc. It seems a small insertion regarding the choice between sleep study and social life, or how hard the students must work could be included within the course of the article without elevating it to "section" status. Maybe there should be a separate article regarding student stress in general not within GT's wiki article.
Wikipedia advises:
"Remove material only where you have good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage."
I strongly believe that until other institutions cited as stressful put a section in their own wiki articles, for GT to have one misleads the readers. I believe removing the section is what is called for here.Chekit (talk) 20:59, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
PS
Any experienced wiki people want to back me up on this or help me would be greatly appreciated;.
Thks[reply]
Addition to alumni section
On May 4, 2014, a Georgia Tech alumni was elected president of the Republic of Panama. His name is Juan Carlos Varela, and he received a B.S. in Industrial Engineering in 1985 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.193.164.28 (talk) 22:49, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He's already in the alumni list, but I think that's notable enough that he belongs on the main article as well, so I took care of it. Thanks for posting! :) Disavian (talk) 19:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Innovation ahd Research" = "and"66.74.176.59 (talk) 03:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing this out! ElKevbo (talk) 04:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that "Georgia Tech" is the common name and per Wikipedia policy that's where it resides, irrespective of the institution's own style guides. — Amakuru (talk) 08:49, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Observation. Georgia Tech's style guide says "Use Georgia Institute of Technology on first reference. Thereafter, only Georgia Tech, the Institute, or Tech may be used."[3] By contrast, Virginia Tech's style guide says "Our official name is Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, but using the full name is cumbersome. Thus, 'Virginia Tech' is preferable in all but formal uses. Virginia Tech is used in news releases, feature articles, academic journals, and publications and on the Web."[4] So this is not an apples-to-apples situation on the initial naming side: Virginia Tech's style guide encourages the shortened version, while Georgia Tech's does not. That said, Wikipedia's concern is what is the common name, and in all but academic circles, that probably is Georgia Tech. —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Didn’t realize that. I guess I’ll have to Oppose the move for now. 24.228.135.248 (talk) 19:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Wikipedia has its own style guidance, which does not grant any authority to the people who run the institutions that are discussed in its articles. Wikipedia prefers to use the WP:COMMONNAME of institutions, as used by independent reliable sources, and the above-referenced style guide appears to acknowledge that the common name of the institution is "Georgia Tech". OTOH, I think it is sometimes appropriate to lean toward being a little bit formal in an encyclopedia. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech should not be used against each other to create a false consistency. Virginia Tech's usage has consistently moved away from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University/VPI, while Georgia Tech has kept closer to the formal Georgia Institute of Technology. A closer comparison would be between Georgia Tech and MIT - I don't think anybody is ready to propose moving the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to MIT. Nor do we title Pennsylvania State University Penn State or North Carolina State University NC State. COMMONNAME can be taken too far. In any case, the formal name should show up first in the article, as it does for both MIT and Virginia Tech. Acroterion(talk) 22:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, North Carolina State University's official name is "North Carolina State University at Raleigh". Per its Wikipedia article: the name was changed to the current North Carolina State University at Raleigh.[1] The "at Raleigh" part is usually omitted even on official documents such as diplomas, but is part of the school's official name.Rreagan007 (talk) 02:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
True, and then there's the whole The Pennsylvania State University and The Ohio State University. All showing that there are no universal conventions or consistencies that we can achieve. Acroterion(talk) 02:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the commonname arguments prevail, we can expect that there will be calls for wholesale renaming of articles on universities - almost none of the following, for instance, are titled according to common usage, so we'll have the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for to MIT, Texas Tech University to Texas Tech, Ohio State University to Ohio State, California Institute of Technology to Caltech, the University of Southern California to USC, the University of California Los Angeles to UCLA. As a matter of precedent, such a rename should have broad consensus, since the consequences will be extensive. All of the Foo State Universities will become Foo State, all of the Foo Institute of Technnologies will become Foo Techs, while Universities of Foo will stay as they are, and all of the acronym universities will just be letters, introducing a two-tier level of formality in naming that does not presently exist. Virginia Tech was a one-off, as the university has consciously promoted that name. No other university has followed that lead. This opens a can of worms that requires a broad consensus, not a local one. It's probably time to develop a specific naming protocol as a supplement, rather than blindly following COMMONNAME - but which I'll point out states that titles should resemble titles for similar articles. Article titles should be recognizable, concise, natural, precise, and consistent. Do we propose to depart from that part of the policy? Acroterion(talk) 17:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. I see nothing in the above discussion that gives policy-based reasons to do anything but support per COMMONNAME. No one denies the common name in usage is Georgia Tech, which any Google search confirms. --В²C☎ 22:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:CONSISTENCY with other university articles. We tend to use the more official/formal university name for article titles. There are many examples, some that are already given above. This would need to be a much broader discussion about university naming conventions in general to move this article from its present title. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I almost closed this as NC but then I was compelled by the argument for COMMONNAME - which is the most important criterion for naming from PT is not in question. Since it'd be a supervote to close in favor of the move, I thought I'd address that Common Name is much more important than consistency. Otherwise we'd have an article on Queen Victoria I of England. RedSlash 00:21, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support move. Georgia Tech is quite obviously the common name. O.N.R.(talk) 05:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support On Google, "Georgia Tech" had 927,000,000 results. Georgia Institute of Technology had 241,000,000 results. The website itself is called Georgia Tech. AmericanAir88(talk) 23:01, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Updated Institute Branding/ Visual Identity Standards
As of September 2021 the Institute has implemented updated branding and visual identity standards. Information is available at the link below:
The Wikipedia article needs to be updated to reflect the new standards, in particular both the Institute seal and primary logo, which are now dated.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpw67 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like we've updated the logo but not the seal? There is also a new Official Seal... 71.81.193.74 (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Georgia Tech University
Is there any situation on Wikipedia where it should be proper to refer to the school as "Georgia Tech University" or should that be killed with fire? I recognize that Georgia Tech and Georgia Institute of Technology are both acceptable.Naraht (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Naraht: No, barring any limited discussion of usage of that misnomer by other parties. We can certainly call it a small-u "university", as in Georgia Tech is one of the universities that is part of the Atlantic Coast Conference or the University System of Georgia, but I don't see where the capital-U term would ever properly apply. —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
C.Fred Flamethrowers should be applied within the next 24 hours. :) Naraht (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Institute Seal updates?
Hello, I have observed that the GT logo on the article was updated some time ago yet the Institute Seal, which was also changed in last September's branding update, has not been updated. Consequently the article still shows the old seal. Any reason for this? Can the Seal be updated to the new one? 97.82.216.220 (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Georgia Tech → Georgia Institute of Technology – The Georgia Institute of Technology is the school's official name used in the vast majority of cases. It should be noted that Georgia Tech is only a common abbreviation for the full name of the school, and does not constitute WP:COMMONNAME situation in the Wikipedia Community Guidelines.
In the 2019 discussion, some contributors mentioned "Virginia Tech" as a precedent. First, "Virginia Tech" is a rare case of article title usage among U.S. university and college Wikipedia entries. Second, the use of the name "Virginia Tech" is a different case: its original name is too long and contains "and", and is hardly used in general. If you were to ask passers-by on the street in the United States if they knew about the "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University," they'd probably be confused. But if you mention "Virginia Tech," it will be more likely that they say "oh, I know it." This is where Wikipedia's COMMONNAME guidelines apply. I don't believe it would be appropriate to refer to Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as precedent here. Cfls (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It has not been made clear why this current title does constitute WP:COMMONNAME like the nomination says. Saying it doesn't because it is "only a common abbreviation" is just WP:OFFICIALNAME. If we look at the website, Georgia Tech is far more common than Georgia Institute of Technology. So it isn't apparent what the problem is here, to me at least. --Quiz shows 01:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, I took a look at Ohio State University. There have been multiple past attempts to rename the article The Ohio State University. Interestingly, the most common name used was "Ohio State" and not Ohio State University nor The Ohio State University. Checking the University of Michigan, "Michigan" is more common than University of Michigan. Michigan State University takes a different route and uses "MSU" 17 times over the single use of Michigan State University. University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign does not mention themselves as University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign on their website, but does mention "Illinois" and "U of I" instead. To wrap this up, Pennsylvania State University goes by that name once and by "Penn State" at least 13 times. To sum it up, I don't think that we should be using the website of a university to determine the name that Wikipedia should use. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As a brief follow-up, Reuters has use Georgia Institute of Technology recently outside of sports coverage, A dozen universities contacted by Reuters, including the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, Rice University in Houston and institutions of higher learning in Hungary and Slovakia, did not immediately return messages seeking comment. I checked to see what the AP did, but all I could find that was recent was sports articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support I made my arguments last time in the section up the page, but ... Acroterion(talk) 01:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My point made above is that there is no clear practice concerning popular names for educational institutions, and that there appears to be a sentiment here that "Foo Tech" is obvious common usage, but "Foo State" isn't. I'm not sure why we're drawing the distinction. Acroterion(talk) 02:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current title is the common name, just like Virginia Tech, not "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University". Rreagan007 (talk) 02:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Many educational institutions are commonly known by some abbreviated nickname and in some case several but this hasn't been the basis for titling the pages in a likewise shortened form as the proposer has shown. Virginia Tech seems to buck that trend but as some people have noted its formal name is quite a mouthful and it's also famous for a school shooting so it is not only famous for strictly educational (or athletic) reasons. If that's the crown jewel example for opposition, I expect more. In any case, anyone looking up Georgia Tech would land on the same page anyway so there aren't any obstacles being imposed for people interested in this school. --Killuminator (talk) 08:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move. Just as with Virginia Tech, the short name is the common name. O.N.R.(talk) 15:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is preferable to avoid nicknames for universities in titles. While they may seem common for US TV sports audiences, where nicknames are often used, they are not really as familiar to non-American readers. Walrasiad (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Rreagan007’s comments. Corky 15:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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