Talk:Theravada

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Recent edits by User:GenoV84

A few problems with the claims of the edits of this user. He claims that the Theravada "preserved the teachings of Gautama Buddha in the Pāli Canon". This is historically untrue and without citable scholarly sources. The Pali Canon was put into writing before the Theravada school existed. The source cited (Bhikkhu Bodhi) makes no such claim. Furthermore, he claims that Theravada is "the most ancient branch of Buddhism still existent today". Once again the sources cited for these claims make no such pronouncement. Thus wikipuffery is compounded by scholarly inaccuracy. The user is unwilling to engage in constructive dialogue. regards. 82.27.90.157 (talk) 16:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see "vandalism" in the edits of IP82~. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The view that Theravada is the most ancient school is historically unsupportable. - Tom Kent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.151.157.235 (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 January 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Vpab15 (talk) 22:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Theravada → Theravāda – This is the spelling used throughout the article. Khiikiat (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The choice of article titles isn't supposed to follow usage in the article, but the WP:Article titles policy. Theravada (without diacritics) does appear to be widely adopted in general English usage, and probably should be preferred per WP:USEENGLISH. However, this does seem to conflict with the preference of some contributors to treat such names and words as technical Pali-language terms and follow the IAST transliteration. Maybe this is a wider issue that should be discussed at WP:BUDDHISM? --Paul_012 (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I understand your point of view, but I think it looks a bit odd if the article and the title do not match. Theravāda is the spelling most commonly used in serious publications (for example, Theravāda Buddhism: A Social History from Ancient Benares to Modern Colombo by Richard Gombrich). Khiikiat (talk) 14:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is going to be tricky to determine. While the book uses the diacritic, even the publisher's webpage for the book doesn't.[1] It does raise another question though. Would Theravada Buddhism (or Theravāda Buddhism) be a more natural form of reference to the subject? --Paul_012 (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, Theravāda Buddhism would be a better title for the article than Theravāda. The publisher's failure to spell the title of Gombrich's book correctly doesn't really prove anything. It's just diacritical laziness. Khiikiat (talk) 00:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • I agree it doesn't prove anything; I was thinking more about how this could lead to incorrect conclusions from glancing at Google results. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the diacritic form is not the COMMONNAME[2]. Neutral on including "Buddhism" in the title. (t · c) buidhe 16:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Theravāda is the correct spelling. Le Duan is more common than Lê Duẩn, but the article (a good one) is entitled Lê Duẩn because that is the correct spelling. Khiikiat (talk) 23:42, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose any move. The current title is common and concise, and correct by our article naming policy. Redirects from the other possibilities already exist. The only problem to solve is to stop edits like this one that just muddy the waters. Hopefully this RM will help to bring stability. Andrewa (talk) 17:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • How did I "muddy the waters"? I changed the redirect because I had already moved the page from Theravada to Theravāda. Changing the redirect was the right thing to do. Khiikiat (talk) 23:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • It was just one link in a chain of well-intended but misguided actions, and I see no point in untangling them. This RM is the right way to go to sort it all out. Thank you for raising it. Andrewa (talk) 23:38, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A factual error about primary schools in Thailand

This statement "In fact today about half of the primary schools in Thailand are located in monasteries" found under the section "Lay devotee" is most likely wrong. Nowadays, Thai primary schools are mainly run and funded by the government and not by monasteries. A citation would be necessary to justify this statement. However, the statement may have been true two or three generations ago when most people in the villages would go to the monastery for primary education (reading and writing). Besides that, I very much appreciate the article. --Wikiesm (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Ernst[reply]

Requested move 22 May 2022

Theravada → Theravada Buddhism – Adding 'Buddhism' to the article as there seemed to be support for this in the prior discussion, and for consistency with the History of Theravada Buddhism article. (Apologies for moving the article previously without consulting the talk page first). QueenofBithynia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm indifferent over Theravada or Theravada Buddhism, I think both are perfectly acceptable titles. I do think that if the title was to change then we should also change Mahayana to Mahayana Buddhism, as well as change Vajrayāna to Vajrayāna Buddhism for the sake of consistency. Which I think are perfectly sensible changes. Wikiman5676 (talk) 17:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with you there, and am somewhat indifferent to the changes myself. But I think the proposed titles will clarify things for our readers. QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:CONCISE. Showiecz (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This is a practical change for readers, and also one that is supported by the sources, with most of those that feature 'Theravada' in the title following it with 'Buddhism'. It would also be consistent with the solution for other religions, for example in: Sunni Islam/Shia Islam. What is lost in concision is gained in recognisability, naturalness, precision and consistency. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per my comments in the previous discussion, though I don't feel strongly about it and am quite fine with any variation: with or without Buddhism, and also with or without the diacritic. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the most common form and would support moving Mahayana and Vajrayana as well. Dekimasuよ! 04:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • It should be either all three or none. Andrewa (talk) 10:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. It should be all or none. I suggest this be closed and a multi-move request be opened. Srnec (talk) 13:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support as more WP:RECOGNIZEable to broad English-language readership (and also for the others per Wikiman5676 and Dekimasu). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there seems to be no need for this change and as it stands the article is perfectly understandable. Unless your going to change every article on a sect to include the religion in the title there seems no point in this change. Dubarr18 (talk) 17:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There's reason to relist this further. The opposes are clear in their reasoning; this should probably be closed as no consensus and a new discussion started after covering all Buddhist sects. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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