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== 1RR vio ==
Please note that these 2 reverts - [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People&diff=856664925&oldid=856653538] + [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People&diff=856735244&oldid=856734368] violate the [[WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction]] - kindly self revert.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 07:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
: You are incorrect - [[Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People]] does not carry the [[WP:ARBPIA]] template. My revert is permitted. [[User:Veritycheck|Veritycheck✔️]] ([[User talk:Veritycheck#top|talk]]) 13:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:: Doesn't matter. The restriction applies to {{tq|"any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict"}} - which this page clearly falls under. Beyond that, your edit summary of {{tq|"You're welcome to add 'mostly', or include 'and their supporters' per your Reuter's source - otherwise .... }} - when the text you reverted already added {{tq|"Israeli Arabs and their supporters rally "}} - demonstrated you did not read the text you were reverting (it agrees with your revert rationale!). In any case - this is clear outright 1RR vio, and you'd do well to self revert.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 14:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Your interpretation of the [[WP:ARBPIA]] template is not the same as mine, nor in my opinion is it accurate. Editors do not need to second guess for themselves which articles fall under its jurisdiction. That is the purpose of the template itself. Once again, this article does not carry it at this time. [[User:Veritycheck|Veritycheck✔️]] ([[User talk:Veritycheck#top|talk]]) 14:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::: As you were not notified to the discretionary sanctions prior to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Veritycheck&diff=856780505&oldid=856739114 today], I shall not be reporting this to AE. However, your understanding here is incorrect - the ARBPIA template is not required (in fact - it means little - any editor may place it - what matters more is the DS log, however for ARBPIA it is not required).[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 14:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::<s>The edit made was not in violation; pure and simple. My understanding is crystal clear. ARBPIA sanctions were not in place at the time. [[User:Veritycheck|Veritycheck✔️]] ([[User talk:Veritycheck#top|talk]]) 14:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)</s>
::::: I stand corrected. A visit to the ARBPIA template's documentation [[Template:ArbCom_Arab-Israeli_enforcement|page]] adds the following which is absolutely clear, 'Note that a lack of this template is not an indication that the article is not subject to the restriction.' I have requested on the [[Template_talk:ArbCom_Arab-Israeli_enforcement#Template-protected_edit_request_on_27_August_2018|Talk Page]] that the template be modified to include the same wording found in the documentation on the template itself to remove any ambiguity. I have reverted. [[User:Veritycheck|Veritycheck✔️]] ([[User talk:Veritycheck#top|talk]]) 17:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


== ARBPIA violation ==
== ARBPIA violation ==

Revision as of 01:59, 2 September 2018

Welcome visitors

Thanks for visiting my Talk Page. Please note I reserve the right to delete old comments or any that I find offensive. In the same spirit, I hold on to some for nostalgia. Veritycheck (talk) 10:40, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Username

I like it a lot. Toddst1 (talk) 01:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

Thanks for your note. You have come up to speed impressively fast! Wikipedia's policies aren't perfect, but they have been defined in response to real problems. The Verifiability policy is in response to people putting up "common sense" or "well known facts" or "reasonable inferences" (aka WP:Original Research). You'll see that WP tolerates uncited assertions if they're not controversial, but the citation business is actually quite helpful in resolving disputes.

I think you'll also find that success in writing good-quality articles requires finding fellow editors to work with. At this point, the Falafel article has attracted people like Andrew Dalby who won't put up with nonsense like claiming that the Ynet article is solid research.

That said, some things are hard to establish. It's quite clear that falafel and tabbouleh and hummus bi tahini existed in the US before the 1970's in Middle Eastern restaurants. Similarly, bagels existed in the US before the 1980's (and the explosion of bagel chains)--but only in Ashkenazi neighborhoods and delis. Croissants existed before the 1970's in specialty bakeries. But all remained niche ethnic specialties. Sometime in the 1970's in the US, falafel started expanding beyond the ethnic-food niche into more general circulation. This probably happened in different ways in different places. In Detroit, I would guess it was popularized by Arab-Americans. In New York, it appears to have been popularized by Israeli-Americans. But I have no good evidence for any of this. In the absence of good sources, we should say nothing. --Macrakis (talk) 04:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Falafel, etc.

Hey! I've been meaning to drop you a note for a little while, because I watched the discussion over at Talk:Falafel. I have to admit that I, too, suspected you were a sockpuppet of a banned account when you started the GA Review. But good on you for making such an effort. As I think is developing now, the article is being changed as a result of the points you raised. I hope you don't get discouraged by this incident and continue editing because you seem like you have a lot to add to the encyclopedia. Further, I just want to point out that on Wikipedia anything that relates at all to Israel/Palestine is especially contentious, and you just happened to walk right into the middle of it. In a food article (when I first started, I got temporarily banned over the falafel article without even violating WP:3RR and with using the talk page). Which explains (but by no means excuses) the incredibly hostile reaction you've received, which I found rather appalling. Anyway, best of luck, and I hope you decide to stick around. -- Irn (talk) 09:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Aleppo soap

Thanks for your contributions to the falafel discussion. Your good sense would be welcome on the Aleppo soap article. In my opinion, many recent edits by the SPA User:Pdacortex have been puffery and otherwise not encyclopedic, and I have trimmed them quite heavily. He reverts. Can you help? Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 19:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.

I just wanted to let you know how much I admire this comment. I have lived among Arabs for many years. I know the effect this editorial decision has on millions of readers. I believe that to deliberately, and for no significant educational benefit, insert religiously offensive images in a, possibly the, most important article to Muslims is grossly insensitive. It displays contempt for our fellow humans. It is an insult. Obviously. And I think you have expressed the situation far better than anyone so far in this debate. Thank you. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Purple barnstar

The Purple Barnstar
Hi Veritycheck. I wanted to apologize that you had to face unfounded hostilities from an editor in the section above regarding Belén Rodríguez, and I hope it has not discouraged you from Wikipedia too thoroughly. In hindsight their behavior could have warranted an immediate block, but I opted to issue a final warning instead. Please let me know if their disruptive editing continues. See you around, Mz7 (talk) 17:36, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats - A cup of tea for you!

For your civility and trying to follow WP's spirit and guidelines. Zezen (talk) 01:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SPI

Thanks for your message last week. I have opened a second SPI here. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:50, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:List of cities in Israel. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ARBPIA violation

You broke third ARBPIA bullet: "If an edit is reverted by another editor, its original author may not restore it within 24 hours of the first revert made to their edit". You should have waited at least 24 hours after MY REVERT before you restore your own original edit (not to mention you need consensus in the talk page first). Revert yourself immediately or I'll report you to AE.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]