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Happy birthday!

Warm regards, Mz7 (talk) 05:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Happy birthday! :D --TheSandDoctor (talk) 21:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Question regarding AIV reports

Hi there, I just have a quick question regarding two reports I made in AIV (one of which you declined and the other you accepted). You accepted my report of Jame w2017 for vandalism (Special:Contributions/Jame_w2017) and rejected my report of Irzam28 for vandalism/adding factually incorrect information (Special:Contributions/Irzam28). In the latter case your declination of the report stated that they (Irzam28) had not been correctly/sufficiently warned but you accepted the other report (which was warned to the same level etc)? I am slightly confused by this. Please also note that I mean no disrespect in asking this. Thanks for your time. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: It a fine line of judgement, and the result will depend who looks at the report! :-) The norm is 4 warnings - 1 through to 4 and the 5th instance is block (Vandal fighters using things like Huggle will automatically follow that system). Two edits of a "newbie" are a bit low, one has to consider that they might have not seen the first message - however, sometimes it is obvious (Jame w2017) that they are not there to learn how Wikipedia works, they have another, much more disruptive agenda. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

SOCK at Goji

Hello: please revisit the edit history here for a persistent vandal with a changed user name whom you have already blocked. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 05:29, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Not a bright choice of user name :-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 11:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Korea was a tributary state of China

Korea was indisputably a tributary state of China from the Han dynasty up until the late 19th century following the China's defeat in the Sino-Japanese war of 1894-1895, please read these sources:

1.) Korea Herald. (2004) Korea now, p. 31; excerpt, "The Chinese also insist that even though Goguryeo was part of Chinese domain, Silla and Baekje were states subjected to China's tributary system."

2.) Kwak, p. 99., p. 99, at Google Books; excerpt, "Korea's tributary relations with China began as early as the fifth century, were regularized during the Goryeo dynasty (918-1392), and became fully institutionalized during the Yi dynasty (1392-1910)."

3.) Seth, Michael J. (2006). A concise history of Korea, p. 64, p. 64, at Google Books; excerpt, "China found instead that its policy of using trade and cultural exchanges and offering legitimacy and prestige to the Silla monarchy was effective in keeping Silla safely in the tributary system. Indeed, the relationship that was worked out in the late seventh and early eighth centuries can be considered the beginning of the mature tributary relationship that would characterize Sino-Korean interchange most of the time until the late nineteenth century;"

4.) According to the Book of Later Han vol. 85, Records of Three Kingdoms vol. 30 and Book of Jin, vol. 97, 2 tribute missions in 1st century, 4 tribute missions in 3rd century, 10 tribute missions in 5th century was sent to Imperial China.

5.) Kang, David C. (2010). East Asia Before the West: Five Centuries of Trade and Tribute. Columbia University Press. p. 59. ISBN 978-0-231-15318-8. "thus, between 1637 and 1881, Korea sent 435 special embassies to the Qing court, or an average of almost 1.5 embassies per year."

6.) Gundry, R. S. "China and her Tributaries," National Review (United Kingdom), No. 17, July 1884, pp. 605-619., p. 605, at Google Books

7.) Kang, David C. (2010). East Asia Before the West: Five Centuries of Trade and Tribute, p. 59., p. 59, at Google Books

8.) Shambaugh, David L. et al. (2008). International Relations of Asia, p. 54 n15., p. 54, at Google Books citing the 1818 Collected Statutes of the Qing Dynasty (DaQing hui-tien)

9.) Fogel, p. 27., p. 27, at Google Books; Goodrich, Luther Carrington et al. (1976). Dictionary of Ming biography, 1368-1644, p. 1316., p. 1316, at Google Books; note: the economic benefit of the Sinocentric tribute system was profitable trade. The tally trade (kangō bōeki or kanhe maoyi in Chinese) was a system devised and monitored by the Chinese -- see Nussbaum, Louis Frédéric et al. (2005). Japan Encyclopedia, p. 471.

10.) Yoda, p. 40., p. 40, at Google Books; excerpt, "Japanese missions to the ... Tang Dynasties were recognized by the Chinese as bearers of imperial tribute; however, in the middle of the ninth century -- the early Heian Period -- Japan rescinded he sending of missions to the Tang Empire. Subsequently Japan conducted a flourishing trade with China and for the next five hundred years also imported much of Chinese culture, while nevertheless remaining outside the tribute system."

11.) Imperial envoys made perilous passages on kentoshi-sen ships to Tang China "The cross-cultural exchanges began with 5 missions between 600 and 614, initially to Sui China (on kenzuishi-sen), and at least 18 or 19 missions were sent to T’ang China from 630 to 894 although not all of them were designated kentoshi."

12.) Kwak, Tae-Hwan et al. (2003). The Korean peace process and the four powers, p. 100., p. 100, at Google Books; excerpt, "The tributary relations between China and Korea came to an end when China was defeated in the Sino-Japanese war of 1894-1895."

13.) Chisholm, Hugh. (1911). The Encyclopædia Britannica, Vol. 15, p. 224, p. 224, at Google Books

14.) Pratt, Keith L. (1999). Korea: a historical and cultural dictionary. p. 482.

185.29.167.118 (talk) 21:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages are not made by the decisions of one editor, they are by consensus. If another editor does not agree then discuss on the talk page - see WP:BRD or go to dispute resolution WP:DR, endless edit-warring will always result in blocking. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:23, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some users have a problem with the watchlist. Some changes in categories make the watchlist a blank page. The developers are working on this. Until this is fixed you can try some things that have helped other editors if you have this problem. You can turn on Hide categorization of pages in your watchlist preferences. You can turn off Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent in your watchlist preferences. You can remove problematic categories from Special:EditWatchlist/raw. [1]
• There was a problem with the visual editor for several days. You could not save edits that triggered a CAPTCHA. This would for example be when a new user added external links in references. This was fixed on 2 May. [2]

Changes this week

• When you edit you can switch between the visual editor and the wikitext editor. This works if the wiki you edit has the visual editor. The menu will now say Visual editing and Source editing instead of Switch to visual editing and Switch to code editing. This is because it was confusing when the menu said you could switch to the editor you were already using. [3]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 May. It will be on all wikis from 11 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to get a notification when a page you created is connected to a Wikidata item. This will come to Wikivoyage on 9 May. If there are no problems it will come to most Wikipedias on 30 May. It will come to other projects and English, French and German Wikipedia later in the summer. It will be opt-in for existing users and opt-out for new users. [4][5]
• Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. If -{ is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use -<nowiki/>{ for transclusions and %2D{ in web addresses. A transclusion could for example be when you use -{ in a template: {{1x| sad :-{ face }}. This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis. [6][7]

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02:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Watergate scandal

Hi,
I thought you protected the page for three days, but I just realised it is procted till August. So, has it been protected for three months? Thanks for the protection. :-) —usernamekiran(talk) 03:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran:I like 3 months - it lets the dust settle and the article usually gets nicely sorted during that time :-).  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

City Council of Rijeka

Hi, I don't understand why you have deleted the article. There was no copyright infringement. The cited page is public domain and the city of Rijeka is the most transparent city in Croatia. It most certainly is not a primary source. So I don't see the problem. Thanks in advance. --Tuvixer (talk) 12:45, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tuvixer: The cited page clearly has "© 2017. City of Rijeka" at the bottom of them page - thus it is not suitable for re-use.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 13:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, but as a documet/web page of a unit of local self-governemen in Croatia, citizens have the right to cite, copy and use documents that are made and published by units of local and regional self-governemen as they want. I dont want to argue, can you please just make it possible for me to see the article so I can write it in my own words and to find additional sources. Please, so that I don't have to write the whole infobox from scratch. Thanks in advance. --Tuvixer (talk) 13:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Tuvixer: Maybe they do, but it won't allow full commercial re-use as we do. Sent by e-mail Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Non-free reduce bot

Hi Ron. By any chance, do you know if we have a bot that finds oversized non-free files and tags them with {{Non-free reduce}}? If not, is this something that you would find useful? Thanks, FASTILY 01:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

@Fastily: Sadly there is no bot. I've a feeling that BetaCommandBot may have done this years ago and caused some trouble? What I do is use is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=2000&offset=0&profile=images&search=incategory%3A"All+non-free+media"+fileres%3A>540+filetype%3Abitmap - this shows all oversized non free files with a fileres:>540 - I've just done this setting. Working 20 units down at a time to the goal of 324 - 324 is 316 + 5% - DatBot6 won't reduce less that that). That gives me a list of images to view, I slowly scan down the pages of 2000 images at a time (it takes ages) to see if I think any need to be missed out (and tag with {{non-free no reduce}}), then with AWB I use these settings...

• A wikisearch (all NS) for "incategory:"All non-free media" fileres:>540 filetype:bitmap"
• A Regex skip set to "(non-free no reduce|non-free manual reduce|Orphaned|non-free reduce|Di-|ffd)"
• Prepend "{{non-free reduce}}" to the page

And the start clicking the save button - I assume a bot would be able to run AWB and do away with the mindless clicking?

The next day I check to see what has been reverted, and why, and act accordingly. The only problem here that not everyone uses the revert, so I don't know the image page has been changed, and end up tagging again - e.g. see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Jeremy_Bamber_police_log.JPG&action=history which only came to like when SV pinged me from the talk page. Currently there 96 files in Category:Non-free_images_tagged_for_no_reduction - not sure that some could not be reduced or are they even necessary in the articles? (something to sort out later) But that is all the problem files out of about 50,000 files I've tagged, a pretty low percentage. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

OTRS

I began an investigation into issue raised in ticket:2017050410011163, but then realized you were actively working on the issues, as a result of a different ticket. I closed the ticket I was handling, and urged the subject to use the ticket number you are handling for any subsequent issues. Good luck, it is complicated.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:44, 15 May 2017 (UTC)