User talk:MarnetteD

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I am using this space to create my sandbox. MarnetteD | Talk 20:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Reminders

Long term problems reminders

Edits from Banned User HC and IPs 1) HarveyCarter (talk · contribs) and all of his sockpuppets are EXPRESSLY banned for life. 2) Be on the look out for any edits from these IP addresses: AOL NetRange: 92.8.0.0 - 92.225.255.255 AOL NetRange: 172.128.0.0 - 172.209.255.255 AOL NetRange: 195.93.0.0 - 195.93.255.255 Thanks! ~ IP4240207xx (talk) 06:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC) Note AOL UK IP's are now owned by Carphone Warehouse so don't be surprised to see their name when checking for HC sock IP's. MarnetteD | Talk 12:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC) No bother whatsoever The MO of that anon vandal seems similar to Bambifan, but that IP resolves to Michigan. Bambi does the majority of his nonsense from Alabama. However, if you even so much as think you smell this guy, please let me know. His destruction and damage is nearly incaluculable. Thanks for letting me know and believe me, asking about something like this is not a bother.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC) You bet; it was a pleasure hearing from you. You may find this page helpful in regards to Bambifan. The precious little darling has his very own long-term abuse page. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC) Links for our BoT problem User:MarnetteD/Burton-on-Trent Vandal Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/90.200.85.232 Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/1wikideb1

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I believe I've dealt with this editor before when he was editing similar articles using a different IP. He made the same "kids who know nothing hassling smart old me" comments. At the time, he claimed to be a University Professor in Media or some such, posting from his office. Of course, his IP info said differently. He was blocked then, and this new instance is blocked. JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC) Here are the links: Claiming to be from "one of the top ten universities in America" Actual location is the teaming metropolis of Copperopolis, California JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC) Thanks for all the info and the links JoeSperrazza. I appreciate you taking the time to do this and it will be good to have it in one place. In the AN report Binksternet supplied the link to a previous ANI discussion seen here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive887#IP troll 66.102.146.179. Stubbornness or trolling either way it is a shame really. Oh, flunking students that disagreed with you is the opposite of what being and educator is about. Thanks again and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Protection templates

I'm on the clock tonight (till probably 6:00 AM GMT). Sorry! Saturday and Sunday I'll 100% be off-wiki, though. Thanks for working with me on this! — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

My apologies MusikAnimal I did do some template removal after 0100 GMT. I'll leave it alone until tomorrow - and even further if you need it. I do hope you get some sleep eventually. Cheerzzzzzzz. MarnetteD|Talk 02:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Haha thanks! I'm nearly done knocking this out. Talked to Earwig and gone to tone the bot back to only remove protection templates if the corresponding protection has expired, and handle protection templates in the template space. That means they'll still plenty of work to do on your end, if you're still up for it! :) As you've seen, these situations can get quite tricky, for example Drishyam (2015 film). Our solution to add the expiry clearly did not work. Anomalies, those darn templates! Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the update M I had noticed that film staying in the cat as well. Working with the cat is always a welcome diversion and keeps me out of trouble - well most of the time. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Oops I forgot to mention that I hope you have a nice weekend - especially since you will be away from WikiP. Gotta recharge those batteries! MarnetteD|Talk 03:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz

This city is located in ARGENTINA, this country has a NEW President, Vice president and every city has a new Intendant and other authorities (the national elections were on 22th November), why did you deleted the Intendant's name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.177.142.159 (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Because you need to provide a WP:RS stating that person has become the new Intendent. WikiP requires sourcing for all new info. MarnetteD|Talk 04:35, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Valley of the Dolls (film)

Haha. I went into this film really wanting to like it and say I disagree with the critics but sadly they're right. Crowther sums it up very well "It's an unbelievably hackneyed and mawkish mish-mash of backstage plots and Peyton Place adumbrations." It's the worst film I've seen in quite some time. The conception of it is just awful. Extremely disappointing from Mark Robson, a very decent director.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Heehee. It is a tough one to watch all the way through. You are right about Robson being a decent director so this one really clucks in comparison to his other films. I might think that there is some story of others interfering with it but he was the producer as well. Cheers DB. MarnetteD|Talk 21:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I got a Robson film to GA, The Ghost Ship, a classic, if a little campy! I didn't write most of it, it was somebody else's article. Toko Ri IMO is one of the best US in Japan films, superbly shot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like a fun one to watch. I will put it on my list Dr. Blofeld. Val Lewton's involvement in that film reminds me that I got to see Val Lewton: The Man in the Shadows a couple months ago. Very well done and worth your time if it is available to you. MarnetteD|Talk 15:37, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Cat People is a really good one!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Lillie Langtry

Hi Marnette and any talk-page watchers interested. Since June an editor (AnthonyCamp) has three times removed information on the so-called Langtry Manor (fka "Red House" and "Manor Heath Hotel") in Bournemouth from the Lillie Langtry article: [1], [2], [3]. I have not interfered since the sourcing thus far was only to the website of the now-hotel itself and thus non-independent. (AnthonyCamp has also significantly altered the Langtry Manor article.) I thought however that the info in the Lillie miniseries was supposedly accurate, though, right? Plus in the miniseries they even had a motto of hers on the wall "They say, what say they, let them say". Is the idea that Bertie built the place for her, and that they trysted there, a fiction? Do you or anyone feel like rebutting this user's edits? To do so, will need a bunch of bullet-proof citations. Thus far I've found this [4]; however it was not initially published until 1991. Most sources (there are many), even those published in the 1940s, reflect and add to the details of that info. The most scholarly source I've found thus far is however this [5] (last line and next page), which I may purchase so I can see what the non-viewable footnote says. Softlavender (talk) 03:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC); edited Softlavender (talk) 04:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, I live just round the corner from Langtry Manor, so I thought I might chip in if I may. There does seem a lot of stuff out there asserting the Lillie Langtry connection. A recent bio of Langtry says that Bertie built the place for her and paints a vivid picture of the couple enjoying their time there, but alas, doesn't really stand up to any scrutiny. The author notes that such information was "passed down by word-of-mouth through the various tenants to the family who currently run the house as a hotel" and that "It is not clear exactly when the building was started and finished. The Derbys from whom the land was supposedly bought, have no records of the transaction."[6]

I'm not sure whether Jane Ridley's book will help, as our article notes that "..Ridley, with privileged access to the Prince of Wales’s diaries and other Royal Archives, states that there is no contemporary evidence that the Prince had any connection with the Red House or ever went or stayed there." My guess is that this story originates (mistakenly or otherwise) with someone connected to Langtry Manor back in the mists of time, and that a succession of owners, up to and including the current lot, have been playing the royal connection for all it's worth – which has probably amounted to a fair old sum over the years. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 04:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Hillbillyholiday, that's a start. However the same Prof. Jane Ridley, in the same book, states clearly that the house was owned by Lillie Langtry, whether or not Bertie ever went there: [7] (last line and next page). The problem with AnthonyCamp's sources is that he hasn't provided viewable access to any of them, and he also appears to be doing a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH, and moreover he seems to have an agenda. By the way the link to Lillie Langtry: Manners, Masks and Morals that you posted to does not show a viewable page for me [8] (perhaps because of UK/US copyright differences), only the main GoogleBooks page for the book, so I'd have to purchase that book to verify what it says (especially as it sounds like Ridley contradicts it). Anyway thanks again! :-) Softlavender (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I can't view the page in Ridley to which you linked. It seems another(?) Mr A Camp has done a lot of research on this subject for his book Royal Mistresses and Bastards. He says Ridley's 2002 book (p. 206) and further investigation has disproved the suggestion completely. . He also says "The first proprietors ... named it the Manor Heath Hotel and from July 1938 actively advertised it in newspapers, producing also a brochure saying that the house was 'built originally for Lily Langtry'" Presumably where the supposed connection started. Just to add to the confusion, Andy Camp's additions to the article seem to be violating the copyright of Anthony Camp's work. [9] (very long text, you may need to search "days i knew") So you would be justified in removing the whole "Langtry legend" section, bar the last sentence. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 05:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Silly me, I mistyped AnthonyCamp's username above in my reply to you (now fixed), so it's the same person. I'll read your reply more thoroughly and respond.... Softlavender (talk) 06:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. I thought they might be the same fella but didn't want to be accused of outing.. ;)

What a mess! For what it's worth, it seems that he is a very thorough and credible researcher. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 06:07, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree. Thanks so much for finding that link; excellent sleuthing! I read through the whole info there on the Red House and it does seems to be airtight. I think that settles it. Well, at least I knew whose talk-page to post this query on! ;-) Perhaps we should all put Langtry Manor and Lillie Langtry on our watchlists, to save AnthonyCamp from the exhausting ritual of being the sole protector of that information (and keeping out the misinformation) -- he previously wasn't very active on Wikipedia (edit count is still only 229) so I'm sure he would appreciate the eyeballs. Also, with his permission (my links to his userpage are not pings in these discussions), I think that link would be good to add as a citation or External Link on the Langtry Manor article; it might have seemed borderline WP:COI if he had done it himself, but it's great and exhaustive research and will help keep out the spam from the hotel. (BTW, by the time I had finished posting the OP, I had ordered a very cheap copy of Ridley's book [I'm interested in Bertie generally anyway] and I may do the same with the Langtry bio as I am interested in her.) Thanks again all and sundry, especially Hillbillyholiday for your research, and Marnette for her talk page! Softlavender (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Nay worries, it was slightly surprising to find the whole Langtry connection is unlikely. Anyway, a very merry Christmas to you!

And to MarnetteD too, happy holidays. I do hope you get to tuck into some tasty roast peacock! --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 06:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

UPDATE: I went ahead and added the Anthony Camp material as a citation. We don't really need his permission, and it is the most exhaustive material on the subject available. Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 10:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like I slept right through this interesting conversation - and that isn't the first time. Softlavender thanks for starting this thread and Hillbillyholiday thanks, very much, for chiming in with your knowledge and expertise. The TV serial with Francesca Annis is one of my favorites of the late 70s. I remember so many scenes so well including the one you mention S. Seems the writers (including David Butler) got taken in by the marketing for the hotel as well :-( Cheers and Happy Holidays to you both! MarnetteD|Talk 18:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Emily Langton Langton

At the risk of wearing out my welcome: Emily Langton Langton is quite an interesting person/subject (more about which later). But I just wanted to inform y'all that the mystery of "They say – what say they? Let them say" has been solved. Emily used it again in the interior of the progressive women's club, the Pioneer Club, which she founded in 1892 at 180 Regent Street, London: [10]. Very cool! Softlavender (talk) 02:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

OMG excellent find and research Softlavender. Very interesting - makes me wonder if the writers of LL knowingly wrote it for her say or if it was some phrase that they had heard years before and (forgetting the original source) thought it appropriate. We'll never know of course. Just listening to this The Bells of Dublin as I type. I hope that your Xmas Eve and day are magical. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:34, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

No, the Red House had it originally because Emily Langton Langton inscribed it there. Then with the hotel myth-spinning it was coopted as a Lillie Langtry motto instead, with a different meaning. (I think the quote itself is from Shaw supposedly ancient Scots; in any case it gained a currency in the UK in the 1860s and even Shaw inscribed it over his fireplace it seems.) Album looks good -- I found the title track on YouTube and am checking it out. Happy Christmas Eve! Softlavender (talk) 02:51, 25 December 2015 (UTC); edited 03:08, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that Softlavender. Back in the 90s The Chieftans did a Nov-Dec tour playing some of the songs on the album as well as other ones. I saw them several times over the years. They were wonderful entertainers as well as first rate musicians. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:54, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Welcome to my hell. lol CrashUnderride 01:16, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry you are having to deal with this Crash Underride. Just so you know there is a wide range of scented Troll-be-Gone available. This one may need a 55 gallon drums worth. MarnetteD|Talk 01:22, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

True, but I was thinking a small tactical nuclear device full of the stuff, subtly placed and poof, gone. lol CrashUnderride 01:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

If only this would work. Cheers Crash Underride MarnetteD|Talk 01:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

lol That made my day. :D CrashUnderride 01:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Glad I could help :-) Looks like a block has been applied. Sadly they claim they will be back. Enjoy the last week of 2015 in spite of all of this Crash Underride. MarnetteD|Talk 01:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

You as well. CrashUnderride 01:33, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Protection templates

Hey MarnetteD! Hope the new year is treating you well :) The bot task I've been working on just got approved for trial, but only removing protection templates from pages that aren't protected. So if you don't mind, while I try to get the production environment up and running, refrain from fixing such pages so I can show the bot can do it. All other scenarios, e.g. missing expiry, etc, the bot is not doing and we're still depending on you for those! :) Many many thanks for all your assistance in working with me on this! — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

That is good news MusikAnimal. I hope that it goes well. If I see anything that looks funky I will let you know about it. If you have the time would you do me a favor - both the Green Day and the Hank Goldberg articles need fixes to get them out of the category. They are both fully protected so I can't get in there to do anything.. My New Year has been chilly but otherwise it is going well. I hope that yours is a moving along smoothly. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:16, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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I've given out about 200 of these. I keep a list of who is approaching 100K and sometimes I see someone moving up the list and I look forward to being able to congratulate them on their special accomplishment. I don't think we have ever worked together but whenever I come across your entries on talk pages, I'm enriched by your way of being. Buster Seven Talk

Thanks for this post and your kind words Buster7. I have a vague memory that we bumped into each other somewhere in my 10+ years here but I'm not sure where. It is nice of you to keep track of people moving up the list and presenting them with these. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Possibly when Buster7 sent me one in June 2014. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Possibly R, but I was thinking farther back. That is the problem with having edited here for so many years now. Things from last decade are starting to fade into the mists of time :-) I hope that your 2016 is off to a good start! MarnetteD|Talk 01:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Ahem

I gave you a **full explanation** of what I was doing, in my edit summary. Furthermore, I have every right to create new categories in that fashion -- as I have done **countless** times. So don't ever do that to me again or I will see to it that you are sanctioned. Are we clear? Cgingold (talk) 03:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I have seen countless red cats created with no intention of them being turned blue.. You do know that you can create the cat without putting a red one in the article first don't you? If not check out the guidelines at Wikipedia:Categorization. As to your threats they are laughable, childish and meaningless. But please feel free to do whatever you feel necessary. MarnetteD|Talk 03:33, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

• Cgingold, Marnette is and was correct. You should never add a redlinked category to an article. Always create the actual category first by giving the category itself parent categories. Softlavender (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Bowie

The spooky thing is that I was only watching The Man Who Fell to Earth yesterday! RIP.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

That does seem to be rather a transcendental ​experience, Blowers ... a little unnerving. Great talent. Sad news to wake up to. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

A strange fellow, but as you say, a great talent, particularly at acting I thought.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I only heard this sad news this morning. A real talent who will be missed. I was lucky enough to see him in The Elephant Man (play) circa 1980. The producers were testing him out here in Denver to see if he could take over for Philip Anglim in the Broadway production. It was a remarkable performance. MarnetteD|Talk 16:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Only yesterday, I was listening to Pin Ups --Redrose64 (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

In the BBC News interviews televised throughout Monday, Bowie declared several times that he did not consider himself a pop/rock 'n' roll singer but an actor. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 09:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd definitely heard him say that in the past --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 10:39, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the posts everyone! The Spitting Images clip is hilarious H!! My newspaper (yes I still read one) listed Bowie's EM performances as late July and early August 1980. It is still the largest box office take for a single run of a play in that theatre's history. Cheers to you all. MarnetteD|Talk 18:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

"This will take a bit of getting used to ..."

Millennium Stadium renamed Principality Stadium ... [11]
Cheers M! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Because Wales is, like Monaco, a principality now? Won't Charles be proud! Softlavender (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Ouch! Don't resuscitate that old chestnut [12]! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

There is a Prince of Wales, so there is also a Principality of Wales. Besides, the minnellium was fifteen years ago, so it's old hat now. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Regardless of when the "minnellium" was, this is still the third millennium AD, and I'm proud to support it! Softlavender (talk) 12:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the update Gareth Griffith-Jones. I don't know how often stadium name changes happen on your side of the pond but, sadly, they are frequent over here. We can even get two names spliced together for one place like Sports Authority Field at Mile High. If they draw my six numbers for the huge powerball lottery tonight I will happily get us tickets to see Wales play in that stadium no matter what the name is :-) MarnetteD|Talk 20:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

RIP Alan Rickman

:-( Can't believe he's gone; we were just talking about him. He seemed immortal. Softlavender (talk) 13:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Only 69 and, like Bowie, died from having cancer which had not previously been publically known. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

And Lemmy... what a week. Unbelievable. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 13:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Jaysus! Say it ain't so!! --Drmargi (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

First time I heard about this. So much for my day being off to a good start. :( DonIago (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

What a rotten week. I first saw him as Tybalt in the 1978 BBC Television Shakespeare#Romeo .26 Juliet. While the Die Hard and Harry Potter films will get the most mentions today I can highly recommend Truly, Madly, Deeply - Love Actually is a fave of Gareth's and mine - his other films with Emma Thompson Sense and Sensibility and The Song of Lunch are very special. Another one worth seeing is the HBO film Something the Lord Made where he plays Dr. Alfred Blalock. He and Bowie sure gave us a lot of wonderful performances. RIP AR. My deepest commiserations to everyone. MarnetteD|Talk 15:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps one of the most underrated of today's actors. I first saw him on Broadway in 87, not knowing who he was, and was blown away by his performance. One of my mentors, the director Michael Gordon, once told me: There are many fine actors, but you can tell the great ones by watching them when they aren't speaking, when they are not the center of attention. Rickman was a master of that. Whether it was his realization moment in Die Hard when he figures out the Bruce Willis connection, the moment in Love, Actually when he is confronted by his wife, or any of the several moments as Snapes (pick one), the man listened. The man thought. But for me, and some may think me silly, one of the best moments he had on-screen was in a comedy, Galaxy Quest, as he sat holding a dying alien. When you can create that type of emotion, in the midst of a flat-out comedy. That's acting. RIP Alexander Dane. To paraphrase, "By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be remembered!" Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this post Onel5969. I was remiss in leaving Qalaxy Quest off my list. Do you remember the name of the play you saw him in? I wish I had been in the audience of any play that he performed in. MarnetteD|Talk 19:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely - it was Dangerous Liaisons, although they used the French spelling, if I remember correctly. He may have won the Tony for it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

How wonderful Onel5969. Here is a link to the article for the play Les Liaisons Dangereuses (Hampton play) for any of my talk page watchers who want to read about it. MarnetteD|Talk 21:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

And I see he was only nominated for the Tony, losing out to Darth Vader in Fences, which was also a wonderful play I happened to see that year. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Rickman too now, oddly the same age too. I think my favourite role of his is Sense and Sensibility.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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I nominate User MarnetteD to be Editor of the Week. MarnetteD has been here for more than 10 years and has made more than 100,000 edits to Wikipedia. Most of their work goes unnoticed: reverting vandalism, fixing incorrect protection templates, tidying up. But in their quiet way they have been making Wikipedia a better place for a long, long time. This nomination was seconded by User:L235

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