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VisualEditor newsletter—September and October 2014

Did you know?

TemplateData is a separate program that organizes information about the parameters that can be used in a template. VisualEditor reads that data, and uses it to populate its simplified template dialogs.

With the new TemplateData editor, it is easier to add information about parameters, because the ones you need to use are pre-loaded.

See the help page for TemplateData for more information about adding TemplateData. The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing team has reduced technical debt, simplified some workflows for template and citation editing, made major progress on Internet Explorer support, and fixed over 125 bugs and requests. Several performance improvements were made, especially to the system around re-using references and reference lists. Weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org.

There were three issues that required urgent fixes: a deployment error that meant that many buttons didn't work correctly (bugs 69856 and 69864), a problem with edit conflicts that left the editor with nowhere to go (bug 69150), and a problem in Internet Explorer 11 that caused replaced some categories with a link to the system message, MediaWiki:Badtitletext (bug 70894) when you saved. The developers apologize for the disruption, and thank the people who reported these problems quickly.

Increased support for devices and browsers

Internet Explorer 10 and 11 users now have access to VisualEditor. This means that about 5% of Wikimedia's users will now get an "Edit" tab alongside the existing "Edit source" tab. Support for Internet Explorer 9 is planned for the future.

Tablet users browsing the site's mobile mode now have the option of using a mobile-specific form of VisualEditor. More editing tools, and availability of VisualEditor on smartphones, is planned for the future. The mobile version of VisualEditor was tweaked to show the context menu for citations instead of basic references (bug 68897). A bug that broke the editor in iOS was corrected and released early (bug 68949). For mobile tablet users, three bugs related to scrolling were fixed (bug 66697, bug 68828, bug 69630). You can use VisualEditor on the mobile version of Wikipedia from your tablet by clicking on the cog in the top-right when editing a page and choosing which editor to use.

TemplateData editor

A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to more Wikipedias soon.  Other Wikipedias and some other projects may receive access next month. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation.  When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top.  Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

Other changes

Several interface messages and labels were changed to be simpler, clearer, or shorter, based on feedback from translators and editors. The formatting of dialogs was changed, and more changes to the appearance will be coming soon, when VisualEditor implements the new MediaWiki theme from Design. (A preview of the theme is available on Labs for developers.) The team also made some improvements for users of the Monobook skin that improved the size of text in toolbars and fixed selections that overlapped menus.

VisualEditor-MediaWiki now supplies the mw-redirect or mw-disambig class on links to redirects and disambiguation pages, so that user gadgets that colour in these in types of links can be created.

Templates' fields can be marked as 'required' in TemplateData. If a parameter is marked as required, then you cannot delete that field when you add a new template or edit an existing one (bug 60358). 

Language support improved by making annotations use bi-directional isolation (so they display correctly with cursoring behaviour as expected) and by fixing a bug that crashed VisualEditor when trying to edit a page with a dir attribute but no lang set (bug 69955).

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon, perhaps in late October.

The team is also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables, and early work for this may appear within the month. Please comment on the design at Mediawiki.org.

In the future, real-time collaborative editing may be possible in VisualEditor. Some early preparatory work for this was recently done.

Supporting your wiki

At Wikimania, several developers gave presentations about VisualEditor. A translation sprint focused on improving access to VisualEditor was supported by many people. Deryck Chan was the top translator. Special honors also go to संजीव कुमार (Sanjeev Kumar), Robby, Takot, Bachounda, Bjankuloski06 and Ата. A summary of the work achieved by the translation community has been posted here. Thank you all for your work.

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A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For writing many great articles, among which Joop Roeland gidonb (talk) 19:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Um ... thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! gidonb (talk) 22:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014

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It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available in Mobile Web.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.

Recent improvements

The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.

The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.

VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.

The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)

Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [1] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.

TemplateData

The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November.  This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation.  When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top.  Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.

In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.

Looking ahead

Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.

The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.

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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

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Noted. I never really bothered to find out what the dyk thing is about, but wikipedia is a constant learning process and thank you for pointing me towards this one. I read that "It is not a general trivia section." which inevitably gives rise to the thought that it has been wrongly named. I had always assumed that it was just that! I need to read the whole section more carefully. But I cannot be the only one who has developed preconceptions about DYK based on what it is called and not on what(ever) it really is.....Interesting stuff. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages

Thank you for your recent articles, including Elisabeth Röhl, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Again, thank you for this food for thought, Piotr. You open up quite another "can of worms" here by mentioning "Project Poland" in your para (above) but nominating Elisabeth Röhl for Project Germany on Elisabeth Röhl's page. Which is it? Or when in doubt both? I have no Polish ancestors and no German ancestors (though I have friends from both countries) so I do not, as the Americans like to say, "have a dog in this fight". But I know those vast frontier shifts generate understandable passions even nearly 70 years after 1945, and I am not always too keen to get involved in that sort of stuff. I am one of those boring folks who sometimes try to see more than one side in an argument, though in this instance I absolutely share your implicit view that Elisabeth Röhl is more likely to interest people reading about Greman history than people reading about Polish history. Unlike her sister (about whom there are FAR more sources - even if they mostly go back to the same Ur-source) Elisabeth died LONG before 1945.

Incidentally I see that the entry, which from my perspective is essentially a translation albeit maybe with one or two extra bits from other (apparently believable ... but then again ...) sources I find online has already been view by 137 people. There are LOTs of people looking at new entries in the first 1-3 days (after which interest does indeed more or less disappear at least in the shorter term). I do not know exactly what they all do but they do sometimes seem, like you, to add those templates to the talk page. This templates are themselves a judgement - in this case as to what subject categories a piece belongs to - and it is interesting how varied those judgements can be. Generally I am happy to let other folks make those judgements. But I am not fanatical about this, and I do sometimes go back over my recently created entries and add a flag for "Project Automobiles" or "Project Germany" or .... "Project whatever...." Maybe I should get in the habit of doing that a bit more.

Thank you for making me think. Have a good day. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—December 2014

Did you know?

Basic table editing is now available in VisualEditor. You can add and remove rows and columns from existing tables at the click of a button.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on table editing and performance. Their weekly status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

VisualEditor was deployed to several hundred remaining wikis as an opt-in beta feature at the end of November, except for most Wiktionaries (which depend heavily upon templates) and all Wikisources (which await integration with ProofreadPage).

Recent improvements

Basic support for editing tables is available. You can insert new tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid rowspan and colspan elements, instead of trying to repair them.

You can now use find and replace in VisualEditor, reachable through the tool menu or by pressing ⌃ Ctrl+F or ⌘ Cmd+F.

You can now create and edit simple <blockquote> paragraphs for quoting and indenting content. This changes a "Paragraph" into a "Block quote".

Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing "*  " will make the line a bullet list; "1.  " or "# " will make it a numbered list; "==" will make it a section heading; ": " will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change. There are also two other keyboard sequences: "[[" for opening the link tool, and "{{" for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ⌃ Ctrl+K to open the link editor, still work.

If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.

You can again create and edit galleries as wikitext code.

Looking ahead

VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at MediaWiki.org in late December and at other sites early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)

The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January. Planned changes to the media search dialog will make choosing between possible images easier.

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A barnstar for you!

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	For your edits to Ursula Kuczynski. Crossark (talk) 10:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Crossark. She - Ursula, Ruth, Sonja or whatever - is indeed an interesting subject on several levels. And while I am no expert on the deeper meanings and etiquette of barnstars, I am aware that you have sent me a good and positive message. I am duly buoyed and encouraged. I wish you every success and good health for 2015 and beyond Charles01 (talk) 10:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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You asked...

here, and thus you receive Ford Fiesta (first generation). That's the only one I've done so far, but... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. And there's a hint that you're already working one the next one. The existing entry gets more and more muddy as one comes forward. Lots of (mostly) well intentioned and (mostly) well informed contributors each with different ideas of how it should look. And there are perfectly good reasons why it really does look very different from different continents as assembly moves outside Europe. But it's also interesting too see how they manufacture and market the things differently depending if you're in India, China, Thailand, Spain, Mexico, Taiwan, Vietnam (it says here...) and ... and... Anyhow, I follow your progress with interest (and some admiration) on splitting it up into digestible chronologically distinguished separate entries. Success Charles01 (talk) 06:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

• No question that it needs some more work; I did a fair amount on top of the basic article as it had been, but it's still iffy! :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Picture of Lotus Éclat at Shuttleworth Hall 2009

Hi Charles , I own the Lotus Éclat you took a picture of and posted. I was surprised and pleased to see it when I searched the 'net to show a friend recently. I also own a Porsche 968 Clubsport and a Lancia Montecarlo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlers280766 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Horrible confession: I don't think I ever went to Shuttleworth Hall. Though I did check out one or two "attractions" in the area one way and another early in the 1980s when I worked in the travel trade, so maybe.... anyhow that's a digression.

So ... I'm not sure which picture you mean. But if it's the red one near another Hall (I forget the name of it) near Biggleswade in Bedfordshire - and I think it must be that one - then I'm glad you like the picture. So do I, though the background is a tad too "busy". Still, I think I got the angle right: one never quite knows for sure till after one gets home and starts downloading the pictures. And though as far as I remember (and maybe I don't) it was a stormy day, I seem to have picked a sunny moment for it.

As you may have spotted, I have sent quite a few pictures of cars to wikipedia over the years, though I still find the habit a bit nerdy. But as one gets old one becomes less reluctant to be oneself (assuming a certain level of tolerance on the part of nearest and dearest). I catch myself wondering if your Lancia Monte Carlo is one of the early ones with solid side pieces behind the window or ... not. Here's one I photographed way back when ... when they had only recently been launched, and at five in the morning after emerging from a tent we'd (no doubt illegally) pitched at a motorway service area on the Siena side of Florence. Too much information? And here's another early one I photographed more recently. Sorry to bang on. Have a good weekend anyhow, and I wish you (continuing) joy with your beautifully judged car collection. Regards. Charles01 (talk) 11:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

My mistake. Goolging discloses that the airfield over the ridge is an aspect of the Shuttleworth Collection, so I guess the big house could easily be (a) Shuttleworth Hall. When I saw how you had headed your greeting I instantly thought of a big house somewhere in or near (or even a long way to the north of) Shropshire. Well, I guess it might be the same family...

Yes it is called Shuttleworth hall, and yes it's in Old Warden where the Shuttleworth collection is kept. My Lancia is the MK2 car, but I think both UK variants had glass filled buttresses behind the passenger compartment. The American ones were solid. Once I have mastered uploading and sizing images I will add some to this page for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlers280766 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Here you go Charles , some pictures as promised , a couple taken by me at the same event.

Porsche 968

Lotus Éclat S1

Lotus Éclat S1

Lotus Éclat S1

Lotus Éclat S1

Lotus Éclat S1

Lotus Éclat S1

Lancia Montecarlo

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlers280766 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. The metadata you uploaded with it shows that you took your picture of the Éclat at the "Shuttleworth" event approximately half an hour before I took "mine". You didn't ask me to critique your pictures, but I think that in terms of the way the authorities set up the lighting ,the shot you took at Shuttleworth from the (car's) front right is the best of the pictures you uploaded of the Lotus. It's a striking looking car. The Porsche, of course, is just plain beautiful. The 924 from which it derived was about to be launched as a Volkswagen but then there was a fuel crisis and so Porsche, rather than waste their work, tooled up to produce it (in smaller volumes and for sale at more Porscheish prices) as a Porsche. I think it's a beautifully proportioned car, and to judge by the way its derivatives outsold the more recent 928, I guess I'm, not the only one. BUT it's difficult getting a good picture of one that colour, especially in this country. You get lots of reflections in the polished paintwork and the door lines and panel gaps and creases sort of merge into the bodywork. And the rather murky nature of the light most of the time this far north in Europe can leave the paint looking rather murky unless you polish it to within an inch of its undercoat. Which takes us back to my comment about reflections. Still, I'm sure it can be done (a really good picture of a Porsche that colour). As for the Lancia, there are unkind people who express surprise if a Lancia from that period is able to move under its own steam. (On the subject of people prone to scepticism about the dependability of Italian cars, my son is very pleased with his Panasonic camera too. He was using something nice and compact called a Panasonic DMC-GF3 but I think he may have traded it in for another Panasonic now.)) But there are Lancias around ready to prove the unkind people wrong. You could get some stunning shots of yours, I think, given a brighter day. Doesn't necessarily need sunshine, but does need a good dollop of light and a sympathetic but not over eye catching background etc. Sorry if I seem to want to teach my grandmother to suck eggs. No disrespect intended. Success. Charles01 (talk) 16:21, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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de Vries

Danke!

Wenn Du was brauchst, immer fragen. Habe mich mehr als 40 Jahre in der Branche rumgetrieben ....

B 11:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Danke. Gut zu wissen: bin heutzutage mit ehemaligen DDR-Menschen wiki-beschäftigt. Aber für Auto-industrie - für Autos - bin ich immer noch besessen. Und wann es um Japan geht, eine von unsere "Kinder" studiert jetzt bei der Uni die Spräche und Kultur Deutschlands und Japans. Über Deutschland bekommt sie ein Bisschen Unterstützung von die Eltern,(Gemischter-Engländer u. Holländerin) aber wenn es um Japan geht finden wir uns gleichzeitig am erst Stufe (oder Alex, vielleicht, schon am 2. / 3. ... usw.) Charles01 (talk) 12:07, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For contributing many good articles to Wikipedia. The entry on Ewald Munschke drew my attention. gidonb (talk) 00:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Now the article looks even better! Kudos for a great job!!! gidonb (talk) 15:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Of course I write and set stuff out the way I'd like to read it. Why should we wish to do otherwise? Then again, one is properly constrained by the availability of sources and facts and ... and .... the number of wiki-hours available. And when you take as your starting point a wiki entry in another wiki-language version you are piggy backing directly on thought patterns (and - often necessarily - wiki-simplifications) created by other folks: there's a good side and a bad side to that - maybe even several of each. Anyhow, we all of us (as far as I can figure out) draw spiritual sustenance from the appreciation, encouragement and yes, even the "constructive criticism", of other people. So thank you again for taking the time to share your positive thoughts on this one. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Most welcome! gidonb (talk) 14:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Precious

"must be at the service of its readers"
Thank you, Charles, addicted to photographing cars, for the anti-war novel Vergeltung, for quality biographies such as William Henry Brisbane and ("kicking off" from German and other languages) Tino-Antoni Schwierzina, for adding historic views to places such as Mannheim, for "Wikipedia ... must be at the service of its readers", for listening, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Lost for words (me) but the condition is (probably) temporary. Thank you, Gerda, for taking the time to share your kind thoughts. Makes a difference. But I guess you knew that already. Regards Charles01 (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

You make the difference, thank you. - I read more of the interesting novel article and made a few changes, recommend to use {{lang}} and {{ill}} generously, - one of the goals of WP:QAI ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

After reading a bit more, two more hints: I choose short ref names and place refs in a different section, for more advanced articles I take harv refs. I am unsure about capitalisation of translated titles, - it should certainly be "a professor", "a lecturer" etc. Perhaps give the original title also? (Especially if it would link in German?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, these are issues where usually I don't think too hard about what I am doing. They are not unimportant, but the sense of the text is more important. The important thing, to me, with a ref name is to use something that I will remember till I have finished with the entry - ie to reduce the risk of inserting the "wrong" reference if repeating a source link reference further down the entry. As for Professor vs professor, again my decision process mostly takes place beneath consciousness, though I quite often find myself reversing the initial call - either way - after a quick read through. As you say, where Professor Smith is part of the title there is no question. But where he is the Professor for Microwaves (The Professor for Microwaves, professor of miocrowaves....) different nuances come into play. With reference details I have a sense of what I should wish to include - sufficient and unambiguous attribution as to where it comes from and when, and the headings in the standardised templates help to avoid oversights. Sometimes in German entries people simply include a template in lieu of the details, referring to a source document separately listed. That can slow a person down when trying to copy, paste and adapt for eng-wiki The bigger issue where you are heavily reliant on online citations is to try and second guess which ones will still be there after five/ten/fifty years. An awful lot of them seem to disappear or - which is almost as bad - hide behind paywalls when you come back to them a few years later. I believe knowledge should be free (and I think on this Wikipedia agrees with me...) Hmmm Charles01 (talk) 06:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time for musings! I agree with all that you said. "Professor Smith" would rarely appear, no titles ;) - I try to have the refs in a separate section, sorted by alphabet, because it's easier to find years after, especially for others. They all have short names, recognizable at a glance. With a long name, hard to tell if two differ in the 20th character ;) - For advanced articles, as said, I use harv (learned by copying from others), - working on BWV 165 where I just made the transition, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for two ladies for women's month! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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Tax horsepower

Impact on engine design and on auto-industry development
"The fiscal benefits of reduced cylinder diameters (bore) in favor of longer cylinders (stroke) may have been a factor in encouraging the proliferation of relatively small six cylinder engined models appearing in Europe in the 1930s, as the market began to open up for faster middle-weight models[1]."
I am unable to comprehend this very well-written passage. I am unable to view the reference. What fiscal benefits might arise from more cylinders? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 06:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

No, the source was not online.

It can't be that well written if it is incomprehensible! BUT it only makes sense (of course) if the reader has digested information in the previous paras. I'll try and spell it out again.

You pay car tax annually (at least you do in the UK, France, Germany (till the 1930s)...)

The rate of tax varies according to engine size. The bigger your car's engine the bigger your annual car tax bill.

BUT .... the tax authorities don't simply take the engine size in terms of cc to determine their version of engine size. That might involve knowing the formula for determining the volume of a cylinder. Not a skill necessarily universally recalled among legislators, though presumably they did some sort of arithmetic at Eton.....

So they use instead a formula using just the surface area of the cylinders. They know about PI, even if they haven't got to the point of remembering how to cube something.

So the bigger your cylinder surface area the bigger your engine is deemed to be for tax purposes.

BUT the length of the cylinder is ignored in the calculation. So cars with engines featuring long but thin cylinders are taxed less than engines featuring short fat "oversquare" cylinders.

Because of the way the sums work, if you take a six cylinder two litre engine the combined surface areas of the six cylinders will tend to be smaller than the combined surface area of four cylinders in a four cylinder two litre engine. The effect is compounded where the six cylinder engine has a longer stroke in order to stay within the two litre "envelope". If you're still not convinced, find a nice small 2-litre 6-cylinder engine - BMW do some - and sit down with a calculator and work out the surface area of each cylinder using PI x d squared (or 2 x PI x r squared if that's what they taught at your school. Then multiply by 6 to get a total cylinder surface area for the engine. Then find a nice four cylinder engine - maybe an old Vauxhall or Ford, but there are lots of other possibilities - also of 2-litres and do the same thing.

Any accountant can tell you, there are plenty of examples in tax legislation where an understanding of basic maths may reduce your chances of understanding what was in the legislators' minds when they invented a new tax. This is simply an example of that, I think.

I hope this helps. If it did, feel free to rewrite the wiki-page in question so as to clarify it. And thank you. Happy day Charles01 (talk) 07:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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The "new article" is merely the renaming of an existing wiki entry, following discussion on the talk page between the (apprently only two) people who take an interest in the matter. No alleged copyright issues were flagged up under the old title so there is no obvious reason why they should be flagged up now UNLESS (which of course would not be without precedent) someone has copied wiki text to another place subsequent to its appearing in wikipedia. Anyhow, I'll follow the links indicated by your robot and see if I can figure out what is going on with this. You could help by doing the same! Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed, I followed your link and here is what it said (my italics):

Following excerpt is taken from Wikipedia

The Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Records (German: Der Bundesbeauftragte für die Stasi-Unterlagen, or BStU) ...rhubarb rhubard..... http://www.routeandgo.net/place/291119/germany/federal-commissioner-for-the-stasi-records#sthash.fAaTmqVK.dpuf

with apologies if I upset your robot by pointing this out. Happy day Charles01 (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Panhard

?

Excuse me, Sir (Mr Botcrusher, sir) was there not a period when Panhard et Levassor used the name on their products Panhard-Levassor or is this just a laziness. Excuse me, the neighbour is burying something in his back garden I must go and prepare a suitable generous free meal for him and his wife (and dog) and make arrangements for his garden to be dug up after dark but as Douglas MacArthur said when over the ditch at Terowie . . . Eddaido (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry have just noticed about tax etc above will be back, regards, Eddaido (talk) 22:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I think so, yes. Though any automaker with a six syllable name runs the risk of having his name truncated in conversation or in print media by folks short of time and/or newsprint (/?toner). And if your name is in one language and you are judging matters by a different language, there is the added complication that none of us is quite sure how to pronounce or spell Levassor. (Did I ever raise the topic of Otto Kässbohrer aka Mr Setra?) As far as I remember the wiki entry gives more information on the name of P(&L) than I could attempt on a talk page, but I'm pretty sure that even in the late 1950s the name Panhard PL17 included the letters PL because they stood for Panhard et Levassor.

Please pass my condolences to the gentleman burying his dog. Or was it his wife? Or am I missing something obvious here? Happens quite a lot these days. The best Charles01 (talk) 06:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Dagmar Hülsenberg

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Thank you much (though ... why Dagmar H? well yes, I know its says why: but still....)

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Thank you, coffee. Which reminds me... Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

The ladies are featured on Portal:Germany, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't (know) but now I do. Thanks. Of the ones I've translated in the last month or so I had much more fun with Karl Wilhelm Fricke than with either of these two. But of course he isn't a woman, and I think this month that's (part of) the point. And KWF does have more online sources than (1) you can shake a stick at or (2) most. Which makes untangling the bits that matter all the more tantalising - tho doing it properly would take much longer than I gave the fellow. Anyhow, in terms of my own further education I think the real benefit of translating these mini-biographies is in large measure synergistic. Even where they are individually a little bit dull - at least in terms of the information accessible on them - taking a few together one gets a bit of a picture of what a .... different sort of a place the old DDR was, and a bit more insight and context into one or two half remembered conversations in my younger years with people who had left it. Of course it's never entirely fair to "judge" any place according to the testimonies only of the folks who decided to go and live somewhere else. Still, those guys all knew and went through a whole lot of things I never did or will. Sorry, Gerda, you really didn't deserve a ramble. (But at least I have lived in England for long enough now to apologise a lot - whether I mean or ... not.) Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's your man, - and yes, the others were chosen because they are women, for March ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear. Well yes, I guess it might have been a hint at least in part. Is that how the system works? Don't answer that. But thanks anyhow.... Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

System? It's a nomination, watch and comment if you like ;) - I had no time for copy-edit, because today was the last day for nomination, it's one week after creation (or expansion). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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Recent improvements

VisualEditor is now substantially faster. In many cases, opening the page in VisualEditor is now faster than opening it in the wikitext editor. The new system has improved the code speed by 37% and network speed by almost 40%.

The Editing team is slowly adding auto-fill features for citations. This is currently available only at the French, Italian, and English Wikipedias. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections by contributing to the Citoid service's definitions for each website.

Citoid requires good TemplateData for your citation templates. If you would like to request this feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.

The special character inserter has been improved, based upon feedback from active users. After this, VisualEditor was made available to all users of Wikipedias on the Phase 5 list on 30 March. This affected 53 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh.

Work continues to support languages with complex requirements, such as Korean and Japanese. These languages use input method editors ("IMEs”). Recent improvements to cursoring, backspace, and delete behavior will simplify typing in VisualEditor for these users.

The design for the image selection process is now using a "masonry fit" model. Images in the search results are displayed at the same height but at variable widths, similar to bricks of different sizes in a masonry wall, or the "packed" mode in image galleries. This style helps you find the right image by making it easier to see more details in images.

You can now drag and drop categories to re-arrange their order of appearance ​on the page.

The pop-up window that appears when you click on a reference, image, link, or other element, is called the "context menu". It now displays additional useful information, such as the destination of the link or the image's filename. The team has also added an explicit "Edit" button in the context menu, which helps new editors open the tool to change the item.

Invisible templates are marked by a puzzle piece icon so they can be interacted with. Users also will be able to see and edit HTML anchors now in section headings.

Users of the TemplateData GUI editor can now set a string as an optional text for the 'deprecated' property in addition to boolean value, which lets you tell users of the template what they should do instead (T90734).

Looking ahead

The special character inserter in VisualEditor will soon use the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki will also have the option of creating a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Instructions for customizing the list will be posted at mediawiki.org.

The team is discussing a test of VisualEditor with new users, to see whether they have met their goals of making VisualEditor suitable for those editors. The timing is unknown, but might be relatively soon.

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-Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk), 17:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Wilhelm Fricke

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Thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

Thank you for your recent articles, including Peter Abrassimov, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

In the case of this entry, I think there is still quite a lot of information in Polish Wikipedia and in Russian sources which I have not sufficiently accessed, and my initial thought is that it should probably be expanded before becoming a DYK candidate. Still, maybe putting it up for a DYK would bring in potential contributors with better Russian and Polish than mine (not much of a challenge, alas, especially for a member of Wikipedia Project Poland such as yourself!) able to add materially from Polish and Russian language sources. Regards Charles01 (talk) 05:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Asking a big favour (please feel free to say "no")

In late February 2010, you added a large amount of information to the Bugatti Royale article, most of which was sourced from an article by H. G. Conway on pages 17 to 20 of the 8 February 1969 issue of Motor.

I have formatted the Bugatti Royale article in a way that makes it easier to display the page number from which the information was taken from the source.

Is the 8 February 1969 issue of Motor still available to you? If so, would you please look through the articles and match the citations here to the respective page numbers in Motor?

I understand that this would be a large amount of input for a fairly trivial output, so I would understand if you would not want to go to the trouble. I just figured I had nothing to lose by asking.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Sam. Noted. But.... (and yes, thank you for the "please feel free to say "no"" bit). Probably that's all you actually needed to read, but this does raise a thought that I've had over the months, and one more "excuse"/"reason" which I'm happy to share before getting on with the rest of Monday.

Dear Sam, I have seen you rearranging source notes on various occasions over the last year or two (might be ten, but I don't think it is). The way in which you do it means that when I move my eyes from the "inline" number to the "references" section of the page, I then have to move my eyes again, and engage several extra brain cogs, to figure out where and what the source itself actually is. I can get quite "nerdy" about following up source notes: I do it quite a lot, and frankly, making me look at an extra bit of page slows down the process. All this is vanishingly low down my list of "what matters", but other things being equal, I think I prefer "my" way of doing source notes to yours. BUT I am not a typical wikipedia reader, and I guess the most important customer for what we do is the wikipedia reader. If you can tell me a good reason - ideally several good reasons - why your way of doing source notes is quicker (or in other ways better) for the reader, I can try to be open minded. You might even persuade me to change the way I've been doing source notes myself for these past many years, if there is a really good reason - better still if there are several really good reasons - for doing so. The way I "do" source notes I simply learned by copying other people. I claim no special expertise on the subject. I've always (well, ever since I figured out a way to enter source notes myself) been aware that different people do it in different ways, and the wiki software is evidently set up to permit different approaches according to .... I don't know what. Maybe the underlying point is simply people with a background in computing have their brains wired differently from people with a background in .... well, my degree was in History, but that feels like a long time ago these days. I have enough numeracy skills to check that I've not been "done over" in the shops, but I never got through to Calculus; and I learned about computers from an Apple Mac which was a computer designed to be used by people who never thought they could understand computers. Too much information? .... Yup, almost certainly. But, with apologies for being repetitive, I have no very strong opinions on how to do source notes. I'm just happy to have found a way that seems to work. And more than happy to accept - as we all must - that we all approach wikipeida with our mental processes and assumptions to a large extent "preformed", and for those of us more than about 20 years old most of the preforming was done while we communicated on paper by using a mechanical type-writer. (Unless people could read your writing - but that never really worked for me.)

On the Magazines I still have them, but they are not indexed and they are stored in about ten large plastic boxes weighing approx 40Kg each in the loft. They are dry and adequately protected against the weather, I hope. I opened them up one by one and had piles of old magazines in my "office" for a bit more than half a year, back in 2010, and went through them seeing what I could glean for wikipedia. No doubt if I were to do it again I'd glean slightly different stuff. But it was quite a major exercise, and I've no plans to do it again any time soon.

Sorry not to write simply "yes". And thank you for all the work you've done on the car articles over the years. For what it's worth (and of course it's only my opinion) you've taught me a lot of new information and tidied up a lot that needed tidying without destroying information in the process. I appreciate all that and I think it makes wikipedia more useful for people who know less about some of these subjects than you and I do, but who, for their own reasons, wish to access more info. But that said (written), no, you haven't persuaded me about a different approach to formatting source notes. Success. Charles01 (talk) 06:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I apologise for not answering earlier; I had mostly prepared a reply on Tuesday, then I went to do some errands, got into an accident, and just got home from the hospital. I can't access the computer so I'm on a tablet now.

Long story short: I don't think it is quicker than your way, but it's more thorough. It allows the citations to have the page number(s) relevant to the statement being made and the reference to have all the page numbers relevant to the chapter or article in question.

Thank you for going in depth with the "no"; it's definitely food for thought.

40 kg boxes! Can't blame you for not wanting to go through those again at all!

Thank you for the appreciation, for your open-mindedness, and for your contributions through the years.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

The habit/instinct in me for always wanting to have the last word is not necessarily a good one and I'm still working on it. Nevertheless .... I had not necessarily expected you to reply, but since you did, thank you for doing so and for understanding. I wish you speedy and total recovery from the residuals of that accident, and that any related administrative nasties will be resolved without undue hassle. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:Intertranswiki

Hi, can I tempt you to put your name down for this project? You don't have to do anything different, it's just a loose association of people who translate from other wikis. Each month we have a stub focus, and you can list 10 French or German articles from a given subject needing transwikying etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Dr.B. Done that. I have a trusting nature and "You don't have to do anything different" sounds good to me.

My own selection of articles that need translating tends to be based, in no particular order, on (1) "What needs doing to make wikipedia "better"?" and (2) "What will be educative/interesting for me to read around a bit?" (The answers, in both cases, take a little longer than the questions.) The only languages, beyond English, with which I am sufficiently familiar to be useful in this context are French and German.

Success Charles01 (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, soon we'll have another German one put up, Gerda Arendt can decide which for June, probably a batch of musicians or festivals to be translated from de wiki, so anything you can create towards German and French articles put up on Wp:intertranswiki would be really helpful. Naturally this is why we run the project to tackle systematic bias and make it a better resource!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:24, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmm ..... I tend to avoid the musician articles because they seem to attract more than their fair share of toxic territoriality. Gerda, of course, is an exceptionally sweet one, neither toxic nor territorial at all, but sadly there's only one of her and anyhow, you no doubt knew that already. Obviously I hate systematic bias, though I'm painfully aware that it can very often be defined according to the vantage point of the beholder, and people can choose some very odd corners from which to view the world. (I'm sure they say the nicest things about me, too.) Perhaps I need to go back to the Project Page and see how it defines systematic bias.... Happy days Charles01 (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I simply looked at your recent articles like Barbara Thalheim, a musical personality. While it is true that the top composers/opera articles tend to have conflict, standard missing articles on musicians are unlikely to be battle grounds. Also there's Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Missing articles:Bach Cantatas site which I've been meaning to finish sometime..♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

You mean that Beethoven and Handel are no top composers? - Starting 7 June, I will go over the Bach cantatas by liturgical year, improving recordings as a sortable list, as already in BWV 22. It would be a goal to have them all free of red links over the year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Gerda, the ones which are red linked in existing cantata articles you can embolden and add a key note at the top so they become more priority :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Good idea, I will do that as I notice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

When you start a DNB entry can you ensure on wikisource the link to wikipedia is there like this. That will take it out of the missing articles category!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I'll embolden a bit of what you write in order to increase the chances of (1) remembering and (2) being able to find it if I don't. Regards Charles01 (talk) 09:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Really appreciate your work on here and assistance at the Intertranswiki project!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #3—2015

Did you know?

When you click on a link to an article, you now see more information:

The link tool has been re-designed:

There are separate tabs for linking to internal and external pages.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has created new interfaces for the link and citation tools, as well as fixing many bugs and changing some elements of the design. Some of these bugs affected users of VisualEditor on mobile devices. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.

A test of VisualEditor's effect on new editors at the English Wikipedia has just completed the first phase. During this test, half of newly registered editors had VisualEditor automatically enabled, and half did not. The main goal of the study is to learn which group was more likely to save an edit and to make productive, unreverted edits. Initial results will be posted at Meta later this month.

Recent improvements

Auto-fill features for citations are available at a few Wikipedias through the citoid service. Citoid takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. If Citoid is enabled on your wiki, then the design of the citation workflow changed during May. All citations are now created inside a single tool. Inside that tool, choose the tab you want (⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-auto⧽, ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-manual⧽, or ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-reuse⧽). The cite button is now labeled with the word "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" rather than a book icon, and the autofill citation dialog now has a more meaningful label, "⧼Citoid-citeFromIDDialog-lookup-button⧽", for the submit button.

The link tool has been redesigned based on feedback from Wikipedia editors and user testing. It now has two separate sections: one for links to articles and one for external links. When you select a link, its pop-up context menu shows the name of the linked page, a thumbnail image from the linked page, Wikidata's description, and/or appropriate icons for disambiguation pages, redirect pages and empty pages. Search results have been reduced to the first five pages. Several bugs were fixed, including a dark highlight that appeared over the first match in the link inspector (T98085).  

The special character inserter in VisualEditor now uses the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki can also create a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Please read the instructions for customizing the list at mediawiki.org. Also, there is now a tooltip to describing each character in the special character inserter (T70425).

Several improvements have been made to templates. When you search for a template to insert, the list of results now contains descriptions of the templates. The parameter list inside the template dialog now remains open after inserting a parameter from the list, so that users don’t need to click on "⧼visualeditor-dialog-transclusion-add-param⧽" each time they want to add another parameter (T95696). The team added a new property for TemplateData, "Example", for template parameters. This optional, translatable property will show up when there is text describing how to use that parameter (T53049).

The design of the main toolbar and several other elements have changed slightly, to be consistent with the MediaWiki theme. In the Vector skin, individual items in the menu are separated visually by pale gray bars. Buttons and menus on the toolbar can now contain both an icon and a text label, rather than just one or the other. This new design feature is being used for the cite button on wikis where the Citoid service is enabled.

The team has released a long-desired improvement to the handling of non-existent images. If a non-existent image is linked in an article, then it is now visible in VisualEditor and can be selected, edited, replaced, or removed.

Let's work together

• Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
• The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, each Wednesday at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the Editing team's Q4 blocker project with the bug.
• If your Wikivoyage, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, or other community wants to have VisualEditor made available by default to contributors, then please contact James Forrester.
• If you would like to request the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.

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CD

I feel that you, of all people, agree that CD (Charles Deutsch) oughtn't be a redlink much longer. Have any sources? I could probably scrape something together but I am lacking the necessary energy to start a new entry. And then we'll get it DYK?-listed for additional ego boosts.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

There's already an entry on Charles Deutsch. Is that the same fellow? I think it must be, though if you tell me I'm wrong I'm more than happy to plead ignorance. The question then becomes do we need an entry for the man AND the car? Or one for both together? And would I have started from here? (Probably not....) Do I have sources? Possibly, but possibly not, and it would take quite a lot of digging and it would most likely not be enough to tick "my" boxes for dyk listing. dyk is indeed a useful ego boost but I hesitate to submit stuff unless ... well, I guess unless I find it interesting! If you get to the point that you can't hold off starting something, please don't hold off on my account. If I get in first, no matter, but don't hold your breath. I THINK my preference would be to start by adding more on the cars in the existing Charles Deutsch entry while reserving the right to split out into two entries on (1) the man and (2) the cars when there's quite a bit more there. But I don't feel too strongly, if you prefer to jump in with a separate "cars" entry straight off.

I can certainly identify with "I am lacking the necessary energy ... " but that risks digressing into "too much information". Success Charles01 (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Very much that Charles Deutsch! Well, CD's offshoot SERA-CD still exists although mister CD died in 1980. But yes, maybe it's the "too much info" that hinders me. We'll see what happens.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Franay

I am in the process of completing a new article about this Paris coachbuilder copying from French Wikipedia. I am very likely to have made bad mistakes. Please would you glance at it and correct same. It seems there are many Paris coachbuilders unaccounted for in this WP have you considered giving them some coverage here? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I hesitate to jump in on this. We all use English differently, and inevitably if I do it every phrase will be different. But it won't be any better, and you will no doubt conclude that I've downplayed important things and introduced gratuitously other stuff that doesn't belong and ... and.... that I've used ALLLL the WRONG ADJECTIVES.

There's clearly nothing wrong with your French. (And / or you know how to use a dictionary. Well ... yes.)

But if you don't mind an instant reaction .... some of your translation is a tad literal. "Habiller" does indeed show up in the dictionary as "dress" and no doubt if you google deshabiller (but taking the trouble to find the acute accent) you'll get nice (or not) pictures of people undressing, but in the context of coach builders I'd avoid such a literal translation and be less direct. I'd just say something like "Franay worked with prestigious / high-end automobile manufactures such as Dela..., Rolls Royce, Bugatti - or whoever it was he worked with." But that's a question of taste. Not of "right or wrong" Same with "Activity stopped in 1955". To a francophone reader it's clear what you mean, but for someone thinking in English.... "The last bodies were manufactured in 1955" or "Production ended in ...." presumably conveys the same meaning without making it so obvious that your brain is thinking in a foreign language. The Americans use a phrase along the lines "The factory was shuttered in ... " but I avoid that because in English English it sounds plain weird. Of course, in groping for a translation that (1) tells the reader what actually happened and (2) doesn't look so obviously like a translation, you might end up consulting your learned tomes and / or googling some more, so that you could (1) spell out in greater detail what actually happened and (2) give us another source note.

So like I say (write) I hesitate to rewrite what you wrote because you clearly understand what it says in French and any changes I made would be changes indeed but not necessarily improvements. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

But I couldn't resist meddling anyhow. Feel free to revert where not persuaded.... Success Charles01 (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wechselvoll

... describes that something has ups and downs, mostly used when there are severe downs ("life is like a roller-coaster"), - we don't have to faithfully translate every whim (also called POV) of a German poet writing a Wikipedia article, - "translated" is only to give credit to some original author ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thank you, Gerda. I suppose part of my difficulty with this particular entry is that I know very little about the world of rock music. So I'm more inclined to apply the poetry of the other fellow, for better or worse, than to try and dredge up my own concerning a planet I never inhabited. You may say that poetry - anyone's poetry - has no place in an encyclopaedia in the first place, but then we get into the challenge of identifying and defining poetry. And in any case, I don't think any of us wants to make wikipedia so dry and scholarly that the reader loses the will to live. Just thinking on paper, you understand. You're under no obligation to agree. Nor even to read it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I think you understand me better than you know ;) - I like poetry, and use it, - only if the translation causes you headaches, forget it, keep simple, - there's the German page for those who want it. - I have written many biography articles but never said in the lead that a career was not straightforward always improving, - the facts can tell that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey there

Do you have any period info on the 1972 Earls Court Motor Show? This guy was there and has a bunch of lovely b&w photos available, but I have a hard time finding out if there were any major introductions taking place at this show. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

It's a WONDERFUL collection, with a very high proportion of "car identification challenges". Thanks.

My joy us greatly compromised because our internet connections here depend a lot on copper wires installed back the last time when spending money the nation hadn't got was "no object" - ie during the 1940s. I followed your link, but after 4 pages it stopped downloading at all, and even before that some of the pix refused to appear. So I never got to the blackandwhite pictures. Lots of colour ones of cars mostly from the 50s and 60s, but possibly photographed at "old-timer" rallies in the 70s or 80s. No pictures of British cars, but quite a lot of cars made by a British company (BMC) in Austrlalia. Morris Major/Austin Laser, Morris Marshal etc....

But you asked a question. Motorway guides for Earls Court Motor Show. Does that mean 1972 motor show in October 1971 or 1973 motor show in October 1972? Either way, the answer is that by then they were making me do more in the way of serious exams at school, so I didn't collect motor show supplement with the fervour of 65 / 68. Also, unless the pix you have in mind are of a different generation of cars for a different market from those I found when I followed your link (pages 1-4 of the contributor's FLICKR oeuvre) then I'm not sure how relevant they'd be. You may be to young to remember, but until the 1970s the UK was not part of the EEC. (I'm not sure Sweden was either.) Tariffs had come down in the early 60s because of the "Kennedy round" tariff cuts but the UK auto-industry was still heavily protected in the early 1970s. Somewhere round 1972 the newspapers were squealing that imports were taking a massive 10% of the car market. Imports were almost all Beetles, Renaults, Fiats and (just beginning) Datsuns/Nissans. And yes, for some reason most of British automakers had stopped developing family saloons for the haute-bourgeoisie around 1962, so by 1972 Volvos were doing rather well in the UK from the mid 60s on. (Rover 2000 too cramped, Jaguars plain vulgar, and anyhow the perception was that British cars tended to break down more than Swedish ones...) That was about it. Stars at the 71/72 (for models years 72/73) motor shows would have been things like the Vauxhall Victor FE, the Ford Granada (which was in some ways an "import" as the competition were quick to let you know), Morris Marina. Frankly, the early 70s were a pretty barren period for UK auto makers in terms of new models. For adventurous "early adopters" people prepared to risk imports, Fiat 127, Renault 5 ....

If I find a better way to look at those pix, I will. Better still, if you were to send me a link more directly to the pix you were writing about, that would be a kindness. Either way, I will react with delight if you would find it helpful for me to try and identify any individual pix using a link, especially if it's a link that I can persuade to work.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

PS The other big show west European show was Paris. Peugeot 104

or Frankfurt/Geneva Mercedes-Benz W116 (S-Klasse)

Citroën GS Camargue this photo is one of his from October 1972. Cool, huh? His pictures are all uploaded in a big jumble and not labelled systematically, so one has to scroll through page after page - which is rather pleasant. Well, if you come upon a period Autocar or such, keep it in mind!  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. I clicked on the "source" link for the Citroen pic you'd uploaded to wiki and got through to a lot more of Andrew Bone's car pix on Flickr. Still I have issues with getting so many megs to appear down the wire and on my screen, but I got through a goodly number before the thing completely stopped downloading. They're a wonderful palette of car history and a lot of them are seriously good as pictures (IMHO as I think one may be should add at this point). Fun to see the pictures the guy took >20 years ago of cars that were already of classics even then. And I've realised he labelled them - informatively and as far as I can tell very accurately - so my offer to identify some is rather beside and beyond the point. Specially liked the BMW 326 cabriolet (indoors), some of the Ferrari and Leyland P76 portraits, one from the back of the Borgward P100 ... and some of the Australian car ads. There's a lot of atmosphere of the time and place with some of those Holden pix at Australian shopping malls (?) But I think he's uploaded so many pictures, that it's really pretty random which of them I got to look at before my copper wire (or possibly my ISP, though it's a whole lot better since we switched away from Orange) lost the will to cooperate. The pictures of the little monkey on the man's hairy leg, of the crocodile, and of a girl who might or might have been pregnant because in those oh so seventies dungarees you could never really tell.... also stick in the mind. But they're not cars, so out of scope? Anyhow, thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 03:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, his stream is lovely. I did a further effort and found that he only has seven photos from Earls Court 1972, the good ones are here: [2]. Anyhow, I hadn't realize that my internet connection isn't the worst. One gets spoiled, I suppose.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, the days when Citroën and flair belonged in the same paragraph. Then again, I still have some respect for Peugeot and I wish them all/both well. At the back of my mind I have the thought that you once drove a 405/406, but maybe that was someone else: either way, my father had a 305 in the 70s/80s. It would certainly be be sad if the time ever came when PSA couldn't afford to maintain the excellent museum at Socheux. Thanks for the links, anyhow. As for internet connections, it is truly horrifying aka terrifying how quickly and absolutely we have all become dependent on another technology that no one - including the people who created it - understands. But then I guess the future generally looks more alarming before you get there than after it sailed past. Generally but not always. I hope I don't feel as old as I sound. Hrmph. Charles01 (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, you can't be all that out of touch seeing as how we are communicating right here. I used to have a 505 Turbo (points for remembering), now I have a Volvo 245. Cheers.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Falca Lines

Hi, could you, Furius or Ipigott translate from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:24, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll happily put it on "the list". It ticks my "looks like it might be interesting" box. On the other hand, so do 1001 other things. So I shall not weep if someone else gets in first!

Given how many entries - many of them really quite good in terms of what I think wiipedia "is for" - there are in the German wiki, it's troubling that you have only three "project people" on whom to call for this. On the other hand, I'm really not enough of a wiki-networker to have any obvious further candidates in mind. And there is self evidently a tension - for all of us, but chiefly for you - between expanding the project to cover more ground and not wishing to it grow to the point where it becomes unmanagable. And hmmmm. Success Charles01 (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC}}

Well, there is Gerda and Bermicourt but they're usually pretty busy. And of course there was Yngvadottir, no longer with us :-(. I agree though, given the massive scale of the task and how many decent articles there are to transwiki we could do with 1000 editors like yourself. One wonders where they all are... And yes, it's very much finding a balance, I don't want to overburden anybody, myself included, I want to keep things productive, but not pressure everybody. Contributing has to be enjoyable. I could of course scale the project and merge with WP:Missing articles and get a bot to draw up a directory of every missing article on other wikis and spend all my time on here creating missing articles lists but it would be counterproductive. Unless they can reasonably be started, banks of red links will sit around untouched for years so there's no point.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Xwejnusgozo who has already undertaken excellent work on Malta's fortifications could tackle this one too? The German article cites English-language sources. It would be more logical to draw on them directly rather than making a translation.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I couldn't find any decent sources on it in google books Ipigott!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to expand the article a bit. The Falca Lines are rather obscure, despite being one of the few remaining (and possibly the best preserved) entrenchments in Malta. I'll have a look at the National Inventory of Cultural Property of the Maltese Islands and MilitaryArchitecture.com to try and find more info. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I see there are indeed a few details here.--Ipigott (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Looks as if it is coming along fine. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 09:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Charles is a quite incredible contributor!! So is Xwej, it's really positive to have a quality editor working on Malta topics.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Müller

The actress who shares her given name with me: that would make a fine DYK about her leading the Courage cast if only it had an inline citation. I would do the rest ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nice to find a source for that. I'll see if I can google something for it. Charles01 (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Done that. It's one of those evil google books sources that tends to disappear behind some obscure kind of paywall when you go to check it out six months later, but there's an isbn as well, so anyone with access to a good library who really cares can check it out that way. Not sure I should be so easily bribed with the DYK promise ... though. How about some men? No, don't worry about that! There are many more important things to worry about. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I did a man ;) - I have almost no time for DYK, having set myself a goal of an GA per week, and an extra for feast days such as today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

She is nominated, Template:Did you know nominations/Gerda Müller. The next one you can do yourself. You go the the Main page, click on "nominate an article", there to "To nominate an article", enter its title and follow the prompting. When you have created the template, you ping me to check it, or insert it under the day of creation yourself, - it's easy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Many thanks. I'm still preoccupied by trams. Do you think there is systematic bias against engineering topics in Anglo-American wikipedia (and more generally in The Anglosphere)? I do, but with a degree in history and a career the most intellectually demanding bits of which involved variations on a theme of financial control, I don't really feel qualified to do too much about the engineering stuff. Still, my great grandfather did design railroads. Ho hum & happy day Charles01 (talk) 12:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

A Slave of Love

Hi, can you you do me a favour and translate the plot and production from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I've done a para. See what you think. I'm slightly outside my comfort zone with movies (They used to give me headaches. More recently when taking the kids to the cinema I used to fall asleep after ten minutes...), but it's interesting stuff for all that. Pls let me know how you react to what I just did - ie as in literal translation vs smooth digestible English prose, or as between English vs American (given that you can't entirely avoid movie/film in this context). And there may very well be things I simply misunderstood, which someone more familiar with the movie context/genre (aka you?) would pick up as obvious nonsense. Be that as it may, I'll happily work through the next few paras (maybe with a respectful pause in case you have any inputs in response to this note). Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I've done as much as I intend to do with this (tho I reserve the right to correct any typoes in it that I come across). I've gone through the German text quite systematically and I think I've squeezed the beef out of it. I've also used - but NOT systematically pillaged - the Italian and Russian texts (where I think one is for the most part a copy of the other). Plus I think a bit of resequencing might be called for to improve the overall architecture of the piece: not sure where to start with that, though. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the good edit summary

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Perugia Cathedral

Hi, please use the revision history tags only to give detail about your edits and not to add commentary that would more suitable in a forum website. Just for your consideration, the actual position of the statue has the highest dignity because is facing the main square in front of the Fontana Maggiore. Check better your sources next time. --Grifomaniacs (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

It's not immediately clear to me what your purpose is with this, but if you want to correct, expand, or .... otherwise improve something that I contributed, please do it. There is nothing that any of us does that cannot be made better, I think. Success Charles01 (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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I think sdomeone may have got in ahead of me and done it. Thank you. Charles01 (talk) 19:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hi can you start this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not this week! Best Charles01 (talk) 19:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Rolf Schweizer

Hi, can you or Furius translate this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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I did it for you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Still confused. But thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Confused? You made a nice package (template), but to be seen it has to be placed in the nominations under the date of creation/expansion. That was a bit late now, but we will tell a reviewer about "new DYK user" if needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, thank you. And now I have your kind and much appreciated attention, would you mind taking a moment to look at the message headed "Günther oder Günter" on the talk page of the German language article. I think you may have mother tongue German. Your German is self-evidently much better than mine in any case. I know that spelling of names was not always standardised/standardized, but in the twentieth century I thought it was. There is a part of my brain (though maybe only about 25%) that adheres to the idea that Ordnung muss sein, and part of that says that for Mr Stempel, Günther must be right AND Günter must be wrong ODER ungetauscht. Don't take too long thinking about it, but if there is something obvious (to you) here that I'm missing, I'd love to know what it is. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Günter or Günther was on my unwritten to-do-list for later, Bach first, but ok, this one question: even in the twentieth century it was not standardized, and there's Schönberg vs. Schoenberg where you better know when in the person's life you are. I have friends both Günter and Günther, and some mind misspelling ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

major sources: Günter, Der Spiegel: Günther, - that is the more popular variant, - mistake or what I don't know, - stay Günter, with your sources, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I may not always be very observant about human reactions. I sometimes think a certain element of something approaching mild low-level autism (or worse) is an unwritten qualification for contributors to wikipedia. But even I have noticed that people's names matter to them.

(And yes, I too have known plenty of Günthers and Günters: I expressed myself badly there.)

Thanks again for picking up on this one. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Rootes Group, Humber Limited

Greetings Charles01. Wondered if you would like to run a friendly but critical eye over these two articles particularly seeking omissions and confusions etc. Thanks and regards, Eddaido (talk) 11:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Rootes looks as if you've improved the structure a lot which is good. I'll try and take a longer look at this and at the Humber entry over the weekend. One logical disconnect comes in the very first para which presumably is read and also edited by more people than any other - each with different ideas about how the language is meant to work. It starts out by telling us there are two separate entities, (1) a car manufacturer and (2) a distributor/dealer. It then tells me, a couple of lines later, that in the decade starting 1928 Rootes began buying car companies. BUT I think it needs to be made clear WHO was buying car companies. Was it:

Rootes the car manufucturer

Rootes the dealer/distributor

Bill Rootes (whom we have yet to have introduced to us at this stage in the article)

none of the above

I'll maybe find more irritating questions later. But I may not. I have to go and collect Robert from the station now, but I have skimmed most of it and it looks fine, at least on a brief encounter! Success Charles01 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I've a nasty feeling I've started fiddling with the syntax without actually improving anything which is a dead waste of everyone's time especially mine. Maybe my head will be clearer in the morning. (Takeaway Chinese supper tonight with our neighbour which will be (1) good and (2) unhealthy: sad how the two so often travel together.) Charles01 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Your sure touch just what is needed. I've made some more changes. Please feel free to amend as you see fit. In the inbox alongside Founder I have added Reggie. Maybe I should not have. Two years younger and with a war on he was in the Admiralty until 1919. Your move. Must do an article for Reg unless you would like to do it. Hope supper was every bit as good as promised. Its 6:20 pm and I've done no exercise at all today beyond stepping outside to clear the letterbox.  : ) Eddaido (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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Beautifully appointed Disclaimer

Hi Charles. You seem to be once again making the mistake you used to make years ago at Daimler. You seem to assume that I have re-written (or even read!) the whole article. I do these things piece-meal. If someone wants to say (or remove) beautifully appointed I let them. At the same time I remember that Humber's "beautifully appointed" cars were made by Thrupp & Maberly and used at Buckingham Palace or wherever. Not to mention transport the Prime and other senior ministers of the Crown. Warm regards, Eddaido (talk) 04:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I do tend to write "you", addressing the person whose changes I am changing without bothering to go through the edit history to find out the wiki identity of the person I am addressing. Though sometimes you can tell from the way a thing is written. Sometimes, self evidently, not. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Sources

Template:Did you know nominations/Günter Stempel: can you find/add sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I've added one more. A lot of the core info is in sources already shown, but I've not been entirely systematic about entering a source link after each period/full-stop. Mea culpa. And of course a lot of the best online sources are necessarily in German which for some purposes may count as the "wrong language".... Maybe I'll come back to it tonight. Thanks for your inputs. I think it's coffee time. Best Charles01 (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Small Snipe preparing for metamorphosis

Or is it transmutation? A smoker by the nicotine on the teeth. Best, Eddaido (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Günter Stempel

Thanks for helping with the main page of Wikipedia Victuallers (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that I had been near the main page of Wikipedia, but if you tell me that I do too much of what I do on auto-pilot .... well, yes indeed. Anyhow, if you like something I did, I'm glad of it, and thank you for the thank you. Tho' I'm still not entirely convinced that you didn't send your message to the "wrong" person. Happy day, either way. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Look! - Excellent, thank you, - more please ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to have had a good outcome, which may be is more than you can say for Stempel's fate as a politician, alas. Maybe I'll submit a few more, tho' given the constraints on one's available wiki time .... I'm off to upload some pictures of cars which, I fear, just might be higher up my own list of "interesting stuff" than on yours! But of course the infinite - well, closer to infinite than most of us would otherwise get - variety of Wikipedia is one of its joys. Good things. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for George Livesey

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William Duffus Hunt

I know this biography can be improved but I cannot decide where or how. What do you think? Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It seems to have been nicely started off, partly by you. If you've run out of inspiration on it, the best answer is to go away and start something else. You may find if you come back to it a week later your subconscious brain has had some ideas for improvement while you were away/asleep.

If you're too impatient for that, the you need to find a way to attract other enthusiast-contributors (or at least potentially interested parties) to the subject. Entering it to those "project categories" on the talk page is one way to do that. Maybe that's how you picked up on it? Though if you did, you're the first since 2012 to have added substantially in terms of text. Pity there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia Project Farming. But I'm not the one to start that one. Don't think you are either.

Otherwise, as a device for getting more people to look at it (some of whom might contribute usefully) you could try nominating it for Wikipedia:Did you know. I've only recently discovered this, having till a couple of months ago thought it had something to do with the Readers' Digest. But if you read and inwardly digest what it says on the Wikipedia page, then you'll know as much as I do about it. I nominated en entry I started on

Günter Stempel for a dyk billing, feeling a bit of a twit as I did so for nominating an entry I'd started myself. But it did attract some (on balance seriously helpful) inputs from other people, which is good.

Success Charles01 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Tell me, is there in some 19th century novel like Tale of Two Cities —or something by Hugo? where one Englishman identifies another in Paris by speaking the code words "Quelle heure est-il Monsieur?"? This is bothering me and you may know. Eddaido (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Not as far as I know, but alas I almost certainly wouldn't. I guess Hugo wasn't on the O-level/A-level syllabus in my time. Dickens was, which completely turned me off him - that and/or the man's intolerably sanctimonious "self-belief". Yours looks like a question for Mr Google. Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm I've been reading up about the Scarlet Pimpernel in Wikipedia. Trouble is, WP and Mr Google etc tend to reflect the interests of the main participants. What is needed is the kind of bright young undergrad also with good general knowledge able to withstand these quiz games one sees so much of these days on tv, well until the present millennium (its 2015!) provided a filtering process. I must try harder. Eddaido (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

If I remember rightly the correct response to the above question was along the lines of "it is time for the people to rise against their oppressors" or the like. Eddaido (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I think I was more comfortable with John Stuart Mill myself. But maybe that's simply how it looks from the perspective provided by advancing years. Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Wolseley Hornet

I need help with this article. A great amorphous heap of facts its got too many failings altogether. You might say I've got started and now lost enthusiasm. Wouldn't you like to have a try to set the story out better? Should there be a separate article for the Sedan version? Eddaido (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It's a lot better than the entries most cars from the 1930s get. I agree that the overall effect is a bit clunky, but the price is well worth paying: you shouldn't wish to lose information in order to reduce clunkiness, and I'm not sure a complete re-write from me (or from you or from anyone else) would necessarily do the business. When it comes to the detail, you're a lot closer to this stuff than I am. If you really want to do a rewrite (you do?) I guess the approach to take is the one they taught us at school for history essays. Start with a structure so that you know where every para will be and what it will contain. Decide early on whether you want to structure it according to chronology or themes or (more dangerously) both. And if both make sure the two structures are consistently nested one within the other. List all the points and make sure each one fits into one of the slots that by now you have created in your framework. To that point, you shouldn't have written a single line of grown up prose. But once you are satisfied that framework is logical and coherent and you haven't lost anything that you shouldn't wish to lose, the entry should simply write itself. If it didn't, your preparation stage was rushed.... Now sit back and spend the next three years watching your respected wikipedia contributors trampling all over what you just did. BUT generally, if the logic of the structure is sufficiently self-evident, most of the contributions from others will be genuine improvements of the kind you'd have included yourself if you'd thought of it.....

I might be inspired to tweak the odd bit of syntax here and there, but till now the necessary inspiration hasn't struck. Otherwise, I come back to an earlier theme. If you return to this after a pause of a week - or indeed of six months - you will find your brain has refined some of the structures while you were looking the other way. You may find others have introduced improvements some of which genuinely make the entry better. Or you may not. Either way, none of these wiki-entries ever reaches perfection, and you put unnecessary pressure on yourself if you set yourself a lot of targets along the road towards perfection.

Meantime, here's a picture of a Riley Elf of which I am slightly more than averagely happy. It's such an ugly little mutt that it's very hard to get any sort of picture that doesn't simply generate mild aesthetically driven mental nausea. Ach, but that is not the generation of Wolseley Hornet that interests you? Best Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice car, beautiful background. Great photo. Why have you had those hurdles put up? Don't think they'd keep much out. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. The hurdles are intended to separate the old cars from the old planes. And thanks for an excuse to put up another picture of a car (this time with a plane in the background). Like most fencing, the hurdles operate primarily by the consent of those fenced (or hurdled). Also they (the hurdles) are a great place to hang notices pointing to the exit and / or the toilets, and a great place to hang plastic bin bags where, Belgians being generally tidier folk than my fellow Brits, most of the rubbish ends up. And - provided you're careful - you can lean on them. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That's right. Looks like you have managed to snap one of my (hoodied) family on tour in Europe, resting before resuming the journey to the toiletten. Great photo too. Have a nice new week, Eddaido (talk) 09:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans van der Laan

It was v courteous of you to ask. I was still expecting to deal with it, but prob from the Dutch article, not the German one, as I am having difficulty sourcing it. I think Dr B has been a bit premature, as there is still a week to go to the end of the month! If you want to take it on, please do, as I am not on Wikipedia much at the moment. Eustachiusz (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I'm not sure I'll get round to it this month, but will probably at least try and make a start. The Dutch entry appears to be reassuringly shorter than the German one, so I agree that looks like the place to start, though possibly coming back afterwards through the prism of the German one to find out how much of it I've misunderstood the first time round..... The French entry is oddly mathematical which alas takes me a long way outside my comfort zone. Actually it - the mathematical stuff - looks disarmingly logical to this non-specialist, but I'm not sure it would stay that way if one started trying to check out / google sources linking the architect to the maths. Just thinking on paper. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

If you would give me till the end of the week, I have the Dutch one already half-done - if it's not going to happen may I let you know then? Eustachiusz (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Of course. I had the feeling that you might already have made progress on this "out of [my] sight". I'm helping (well, I hope it can be helpful) one of the children with a house move over the next few days and will find eminently resistable any temptation to wiki-look again at Hans van der Laan, while wondering how / whether / where in the car to pack a duvet and assorted cooking pots retrieved from last year's student digs. My wife is Dutch and we never really settled between us whether for practical purposes the week ends at the end of Saturday or at the end of Sunday. But looking at the way August is shaped this year, (you and) I don't need to think about that till English "Bank Holiday Monday". Success Charles01 (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Done, at least to the extent of a face-saving stub, for bulking out as and when. Good luck with the move! Eustachiusz (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll try and take a look later in the week. Thanks for the update. Best Charles01 (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks. Yes the "exact text" in question is of course the text from German wikipedia which I pasted in anticipation of doing a quick 'n dirty translation. There might be an issue if that German wikipedia entry was a copy and paste job from somewhere else. My initial suspicion is that both the German language wiki entry and the source to which Coren's dysfunctional toy linked it are copy and paste jobs, wholly or in part, from a third source. Anyhow, I am really not competent to opine on German copyright law. No doubt there are more than enough of people contributing to German Wikipedia who are.

As far as English language wikipedia is concerned, I think it unlikely that an English language summary / paraphrase using a completely different language and therefore by definition completely different words and syntax would fall foul of any relevant copyright law. If it did, then we would all have to stop sourcing anything to anything. Anyhow for better and / or worse I have plenty of other stuff to do and I'm inclined to let Coren sort out his own mess with this one. One of the problems with Coren's toy is that it tends to pick up things where other web sites have copied and pasted from wikipedia, which is immediately apparent if a member of the human race is involved, but until he debugs the thing, or unless he can be arsed to apply any intellectual talent of his own before sending out random robotic messages, his chief contribution with the thing is as a major waste of time. Just an opinion, you understand .... Thanks again for your characteristically and commendably temperate spelling out of how the world must look from Coren's toybox. Regards Charles01 (talk) 00:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Vans

Re Hans van der Laan, I followed the usage in the Dutch article: "van" where the name is given in full, but "Van" where the surname stands alone. I suppose in Dutch it helps the surname stand out from normal text, but perhaps we don't need to do it in English, as the word "van" is any case distinctive.Eustachiusz (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I guess following the Dutch wiki-usage makes sense, tho' it would be interesting to know whether the treatment on the Dutch wiki page reflects general Dutch custom (or even a "rule") or some more approximate aggregation of thought processes. My usual source on such matters is away for a long weekend staying with my mother in law in ... the Netherlands, but I suspect she might come with a thoughtful answer along the lines "on the one hand ... on the other ... ". Sadly for me, I don't have the depth of knowledge on my own account to have any very fixed opinion of my own on this! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Flicking at random through the Dutch Wiki it seems to be a convention there, but I've no idea either whether it's a more general rule in the wide world beyond. I'd be very interested to hear of any further clarification from an informed source!Eustachiusz (talk) 10:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans Werner Kettenbach

Hi, can you translate that from German wiki and add to the potted biography extras?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:34, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Decauville

Thought you might like this / these very composed old motorists and their conveyance. Eddaido (talk) 07:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Most impressive in several ways. Do you suppose it was a black and white photo that was carefully inked over? Or does the colour come from computer shenanigans of a much more recent vintage. Either way, I don't think it entirely does away with the pained expressions, especially of the lady back right. Did they still have to sit absolutely sill for 60 seconds in 1903? Maybe it was down to just a few seconds by then. I'm shamefully ignorant about some of these time lines.

Best Charles01 (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Me too but I think it is a genuine forerunner to the glossy magazines. I don't know if you had previously heard of this person but as I remember it his father made a truly immense fortune around the time of that photo because he developed the process and ran the business that did the printing. i.e. he was a colour printer and securely fenced in by patents. That will have been an inserted page I imagine. Just an ad for Deauville cars possibly subsidised by the printer?
I think the faces are a lot of fun. Letting the imagination run amok: They are identical twins 16. Mother knows the driver a great deal better than she should know that level of employee. They have just been turned away from a side entrance to Schloss Charlemagne. But mother has called out "Plan B" to the man at the wheel and they are off to find another way in. Poor girls. Eddaido (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for bringing me into the loop on this. I'm still hazey (though less than I once was) on this dyk stuff, but if it will encourage more people to look at the entry and improve it, what's not to like?

On the concern - I think yours - that it's a translation from German wikipedia and therefore not a new entry, if you look more closely I think you'll see that I took quite a lot of the factoids from sources as indicated, including many that never (yet) made it to the German wiki equivalent entry: maybe I should have spelled that out more strongly on the affected edit summaries. Either way, on "how much is enough?" ..... I guess that's a judgement, and I claim no special insights on wiki rules and guidelines nor (which can be even more weird and wonderful) their interpretation! Thanks again and best wishes Charles01 (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. Looks like my moment for another "proof read"! Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox

CO#1 I send greeting. Please would you check my sandbox and tell me what you think and none of this diplomatic stuff, please. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I did look at it and then got called away before replying. Mes excuses as they say somewhere or other. My immediate reaction, which you won't be able to avoid addressing once promoting these entries beyond the Sandbox, was "what is it?" But I think it seemed to look like progress. And sources permitting there are gaps for someone - you? but not necessarily you - to fill in with links to some new potted biographies. I've rather taken to potted biographies. (and helpful subheadings.... UNdiplomatic enough?) Success! Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I do not understand it was like being in a different universe or parallel world. this is the page I wanted you to look at! Nice if you could re-glance. Many thanks, Eddaido (talk)

PS and please explain to me how the different pages occur —the parallel universes I mean. D

Looks good to me.

I think I arrived at the wrong page before because of differing assumptions over whether I was looking for "sandbox" or "Sandbox".)

Best Charles01 (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, and thank you and thanks too for that upper case S. Something new every day. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 22:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Franciscans

Hi Charles. I notice some more monasteries at Intertranswiki. I should mention that Franciscans don't have abbeys or monasteries (as they are not monks) but friaries, so herewith forewarning that I'll be renaming the Franciscan-related articles. I wanted to explain in advance why! Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Just looking through the first, I've encountered the wonderful word "Stichkappentonnengewölbe", which I am tempted to take as my user name! Eustachiusz (talk) 14:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

... has potential. But maybe you should consult the cat first. Those guys can be devlish pricklyCharles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. If not monasteries then what? There's the German word "Stift" but for English wikipedia that seemed likely to flag more questions that it answers. No, don't bother to answer: I'll see what soon enough, and look forward to learning from you.

Self evidently, if you feel like translating a couple or six of the redlinks remaining over the next couple of weeks .... well, don't let me stop you. The Head of School (sorry - just been sharing a "siesta" with Private Eye which always takes me back into my distant youth) asked me to list another ten for September, so I did, and I don't exactly mind doing them all, but (1) I think you may have more of the appropriate background knowledge than I do and (2) I like variety and ten monasteries/notmonasteries in a month (with another ten in August - albeit shared between the two of us) doesn't feel too varied. Then again, no pressure. In the long run one likes to think it will all get done by you or me or someone else .... as and when.

Best Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Perdrix, toujours perdrix...

I like monastery articles and would very much like to help out with them, but real life is extremely demanding at the moment. Nevertheless, if I can I certainly will.

As for the Franciscans, the cats are simply wrong: they are friars and have friaries. Sometimes, as their heads of house are priors (not abbots), they are described as priories (not abbeys), although this apparently tends to be used more for Dominicans (also friars). There is no set convention for these names in Wikiworld - everyone seems to do their own thing. But a sensible solution that takes into account both IRL usage and Wiki conventions seems to be that if there is just one friary (or indeed monastery) in a location Foo then the default name is usually simply Foo Friary (or Priory or Abbey, but rarely Monastery); but if there is more than one, then they can be disambiguated in various ways, as for example, Franciscan Friary, Foo, vs Carmelite Friary, Foo, or Dominican Priory, Foo; or sometimes St X's Priory, Foo, in a place with several religious houses or in cases where the dedication is genuinely the common name (which is not that often, at least in UK English: we prefer the placenames).

I'll comment further that I started working on non-UK religious houses because I foolishly thought it would be an area in which no-one else was interested, so it would be non-contentious, and for a couple of years it was. But there are all sorts of interests now involved - religious-sectarian, national-political, gender-diverse etc - and the fighting is sometimes very bitter.Eustachiusz (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Dacia 1300 estate

Dacia 1300 Estate in London, England (photographed 1982 or 1983)

Dacia 1300 saloon/sedan in Poiana Brasov, Romania (photographed early winter (before/between big snow falls) 1978 or 1979)

Hi. Re your picture of the Dacia 1300 Estate. Seems you snapped a very rare vehicle indeed. When was the photo taken, and did you by any chance take any other images? Any further details you could give would be hugely appreciated. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I guess you mean this one. (If you don't, please read no further because my further thoughts will make no sense to you!)

You'll see that I took the picture more than 30 years ago. Things have changed a bit since then, and my memory is certainly incomplete and it MAY be incorrect. But I THINK I took the picture soon after I had got my first expensive camera (Olympus OM2N), and I walked through the more expensive central area of London photographing interesting things. For me interesting things meant interesting cars. I THINK this one may have been in or near the Kensington area of London. There were very few Dacias in England back then. I knew about the sedan/saloon version of this one because (1) I read about it in the motoring press and (2) I'd seen one - this one (lower picture) - in Romania. (I worked at that time in the travel trade.)

I think the Dacia estate photographed in or near Kensington may have been parked in or near the Romanian embassy in London. Maybe someone was on a trade mission from Bucharest to investigate organising an importer and a dealer network in the UK? Maybe the ambassador was a car enthusiast who had driven across from Bucharest to see if he could? I have no idea how or why the car was in England, but I do not THINK this type of car was ever sold in the UK formally.

Because I have photographed the car from the side, I GUESS there were other cars parked close to it behind and in front. I do not know what nationality of license plate it had. From the angle of the sun (and what I remember of my office hours then) it was taken late afternoon, probably after leaving the office in later summer (17.30 - 19.30 (the English time zone is an hour different from the one in the rest of western Europe)) I do not have any other pictures of this car. I do not think I ever took any others.

That's all I know / remember. And I reserve the right to have misremembered. Thank you for being interested! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks v much. Fascinating. Trade mission sounds about right. It shows a few features unique to UK-market Dacias (the rubber mouldings and the roof rack) which were fitted at the importers', in Yeovil. But the only Dacia saloons and estates sold over here were the later 1310 model. What an interesting vehicle!

The one you snapped in Romania is also quite special: non-standard bumpers, paint and wheels, which would have made it stand out from the crowd. Licence place was issued in around 1974. Did you see anything else interesting around on your visit? Thanks & regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I like the way you communicate enthusiasm. Thanks. The one I snapped in Romania was driven by a man playing a leading part in opening up a new ski resort, Poiana Brasov. I knew he must have a very important job because he drove a new car, which back then not too many people did. I cannot imagine what he did to deserve nonstandard bumpers, though. Did I see anything else interesting on the visit? Probably, but I don't know what. I must have photographed one or two more or less finished hotels, but I don't know what happened to those pictures.

Otherwise, if "interesting", means "Romanian cars", here's an Oltcit I photographed in northern France a couple of years later (and appear to have mis-spelled for the file name). It's not a very good picture: the sun was in the wrong place, but it has rarity value. We never got many Oltcits in western Europe. If "interesting" simply means "interesting" .... well, here's a picture I took earlier this year (2015) of a Beetle replacement that never made it to production. And here's a link [5] to all the pictures I ever uploaded to wikipedia (except for one or two that I deleted when better ones came along). But ... please infer no disrespect (to either of us) when I acknowledge that you probably should have many more important things to do than follow it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Godfrey Baseley

Hi there. Sorry about this, but this was such a long time ago that I have forgotten the information you seek. Again I apologise because of this. ISD (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Ilanz "Abbey"

No worries - I'm leaving this one well alone! it's an important house and community, and the de-Wiki article is far too long a translation for me to undertake at the moment. If Blofeld can wait for a few days until the real end of the month, however, I'll do something for Torba.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to call it. It's not an abbey, as the head of the house is not an abbess but a prioress, so "Ilanz Priory" would be fine formally. Dominican women's comunities seem mostly to be referred to as "Convent", although the form "[Placename] Convent" is in the range "peculiar" to "incorrect". If you can confirm as you work through it that the dedication is to Saint Joseph, as seems likely from a very quick glance, then my best suggestion, if you wanted an alternative to "Ilanz Priory", would be "Convent of St. Joseph, Ilanz" or "St. Joseph's Convent, Ilanz", depending on your personal preference. Eustachiusz (talk) 13:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. On what to call the Ilanz establishment, I guess that when I see the word "nun", then I default to the word "convent", though I think that has more to do with what (I assume) my mother or father must have told me when I was five than with any insights garnered from a nun or a monk. Anyhow, I will certainly on this occasion default to one of your recommendations. Unless POWERFULLY diverted by source notes. Which in this case seems unlikely since presumably things googled are unlikely to be in English, and if they are in English they will most likely be a translation undertaken by someone whose mother tongue is Swiss German or Italian, and for whom English is a third or fourth language. Ach ... just musings.

I'll probably start it tomorrow, but I'll remove that note now. The "risk" that anyone else might start Ilanz seems quite small.

Enjoy Torba.

Best Charles01 (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I saw your comment about the question mark over St Josef / -ph, and your solution is a good one! but better lose the "The" in the article title, as there are very firm rules about when a definite articles can be used there, and this one doesn't fit the criteria. Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Singering

by one of WM's better photographers

Hi there Charles01. I wonder if you might be able to assist me. I search for someone with a high level of diplomatic skills. This is because I find on this page three photographs that appear to date a particular vehicle to 1941. This is simply not a possible production date for reasons I will not enter into at this moment in time ever being in need of refuge.

I should think it is a modified version of one of these (which might be familiar to you) because of how it differs in the front, may I say, wings. (The (well, OK, pretty) helmet shaped cycle guards are so oddly supported they can only have been added by someone without knowledge of the right method of doing it). And its date is therefore circa 1933. So different from 1941 (sigh).

So I'd be very pleased if you might find you're able to make an appropriate approach to that particular editor to learn more. He/she may in fact know more than has been added to the metadata or whatever it is called. PS you are allowed to decline this mission and then there'll be no penalty. Yrs sincerely etc. Eddaido (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I thought Rootes switched over to wartime production pretty promptly in 1939 which means it is unlikely hat this car was manufactured in 1941, though I suppose it might have been sitting unregistered in a shed for a couple of years. Is that the point? I know Ryton was a "shadow factory" but did they build any cars there before the war, or did it go directly into aircraft production? In which case, where, if not at Ryton, were those Singers (and Hillmans and Humbers) made in the 1930s?.

Also, old footage of politicians during the war sometimes shows them getting in and out of big old Humbers. Did those come from prewar production, or was there some distant plant quietly trickling out fresh new minted big Humbers during the war?

On a related matter, did you see this? I'd never heard of the Singer 10, but it looks like a real car. Have you heard of it.

Back on the fellow uploading the pictures of the little roadster Singer with the 1941 production year, I think there are a probably in German wiki at least for that particular entry, already too many pictures of virtually the same model, but I wouldn't presume to do anything about it. There are plenty of perfectly reliable people contributing on cars in German wiki who have mother tongue German which I don't. If you simply want me to translate "Why do you think these cars were registered in 1941? I thought they'd stopped making these cars by the end of 1939 because of the war." .... well, yes, I can do that. But I don't know enough about history of Singer wartime production to become usefully involved in any follow up discussion. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Köpenick's week of bloodshed

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Many thanks. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Bell (antiquarian)

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And again .. thank you. Success Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Oscar Schlitter has been nominated for Did You Know

I don't really talk to bots. It can sometimes be hard enough trying to remember that there's a member of the human race behind a "normal" wiki-user name, but maybe it's irrational or even plain mean for me to attribute a lesser status to a mere "bot". I did find the Oscar Schlitter entry more interesting than some. And it could be construed as ungrateful to ignore youir notification. So thank you. And happy (within reason) botting. Charles01 (talk) 06:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Austin 1300 in Langen.jpg

Hi there,

Just to let you know that I've reverted File:Austin 1300 in Langen.jpg to your original uploaded version and re-uploaded the colour-adjusted version I made under the filename File:Austin 1300 in Langen (adjusted version).jpg.

The reason was that having come across it again I felt that the changes maybe went beyond what I'd consider trivial "unbiased" colour balance and level correction and was edging into selective changes (if not quite retouching). I also knew that you weren't convinced about the colour (see User talk:Charles01/Archive 22), so upon reflection I probably should have uploaded it as an "altered" or "modified" version separate from your original in the first place.

Sorry if this seems like I'm making a big deal of it, I just thought you ought to know as it was your upload.

All the best! CarbonCaribou (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Most kind of you to point it out. I think I agree with you, though I would never have thought of it for myself!

I'm still wondering just where it was that I took the photograph. I was walking to the station from the house of a very kind family in Langen (between FaM & Darmstadt) who were looking after me for 3 weeks so I could learn to speak German(Hmmm). I drove past the area when I worked near Ludswigshafen >20 years later, but I failed to recognise any of the streets, and I was on the way to an work related meeting so ran out of time. Also, the world looks different from a car, I guess...

Very best wishes Charles01 (talk) 04:39, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Yikes. Wie ssollte ich Gedankenleser auf deutsch schreiben? Charles01 (talk) 06:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Good point- I hadn't noticed that the registration plate was German... strange place to find an Austin car. Anyway, glad you're okay with it! (Still don't understand that last bit, even with Google auto-translate though!) CarbonCaribou (talk) 18:38, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm almost certain that the unusual combination of a German license plate and an Austin was the reason I photographed it. Even though the car was inexpensive (partly because of currency movements - DM stong: British pre-oil pound regularly sliding - at a time when a lot of the cost of producing cars was simply a reflection of the wage levels of the people putting them together), I don't think German customers trusted the new technology (notably the "suspension") the lousy and inconsistent build quality and the propensity to corrode faster (even ...) than a Kadett A. And if you did have problems with your Austin car in Germany, there weren't too many well trained and experienced mechanics around who knew how to fix Austins. But rarity is also something to be valued - possibly more obviously for the interested enthusiast than for the car owner.... Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Franz Xaver Oberleitner

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Thank you, HJ. Regards Charles01 (talk) 05:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Scotney

This seems to be kinda close to home. Is there a chance this item might be added to your long-term plan for English WP?

• Scotney.
• possibly also of interest

Best, Eddaido (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Nice pix too. And as you write, not too far from home. Thanks. It is listed for attention/translation (and may indeed progress up the list faster than average, though as usual, if some other kind person chancing on this wiki-exchange were to get in first, I should not weep uncontrollably). Best Charles01 (talk) 10:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I made a start. See what you think. St.Ives is a small town and I'm sure the link you found must have involved the same company, after they diversified away from making vehicle bodies/trailers in favour of "packaging engineering". (Who he?) Heavy engineering is a tough world for small companies that don't have much access to bank credit. Googling throws up a few more intriguing links - not till now as many as I'd hoped. Something about a photograph of a Tom M Scotney works outing to Skegness in the 1930s[6] and something else indicating that our man was president of the local rotary club in the 1950s [7] but I'm not sure how interested wikipedia readers would be in that. Meantime, I'll finish translating the German entry which gives us at least a respectable "stub". I know you sometimes find your way round archives that have eluded me. Maybe you'll find some more .... please? Anyhow, I need lunch. Best Charles01 (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, that is great. I spent another hour scratching about online then went to your article and found it incorporated all I'd found. So I went to old newspapers and all I found was that in the 1940s they liked advertising themselves as suppliers of windows doors and joinery for Housing schemes. "Scotney of St Ives", "Mass produced precision made joinery" I wonder if they had been gluing up Mosquitos, were they not all wood? There was of course the truck delivering stuff to Bristol aircraft with on the door "Tom M. Scotney Ltd Manufacturing Woodworkers Saint Ives Huntingdon Phone 3168/9". It seems we rely on Matthias's coachbuilders book for the confidence in it being the correct business. Checked in The Times. Scotney sold a surplus lathe in 1945 and his 1947 3.5-litre Jaguar (with Ace wheel trims and HMV radio) in December 1948. The only thing I could suggest is the business be described rather than engineers as Manufacturing Woodworkers, they were after all just adding a wood framed body with almost all flat steel panels. Sorry so slow to return. Eddaido (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

While I'm passing — your Davidsohn item is a fine bit of work. Eddaido (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It was indeed one - doesn't always happen - that turned out to be more interesting than expected, once I'd started translating it, and done a bit of googling around to try and pad out the sourcing a bit. It helps that she obviously had good clear recall, and delighted in telling her own story years later. Obviously it also helps that there were people around who were in turn delighted to listen, to record and to share those memories. Good weekend Charles01 (talk) 05:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

of interest? Eddaido (talk) 01:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Pantaleon Hebenstreit

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Thank you, Gatoclass. Regards Charles01 (talk) 05:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Oscar Schlitter

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Thank you for your very kind message! Leaving fed-up-ness aside, I really have no choice at the moment but to cut my time right back for the next few months, but I'll re-think once the pressure has eased. As you say, I've always come back before! In the meantime I've not completely burnt my boats and am happy to aim to do a couple of Intertranswiki architecture articles as and when. It seemed better, and fairer, to lower the bar to nothing and then do one or two occasionally than to carry on under the expectation that I'd be doing more, and then not to deliver. If I do find time to tackle any bridges, I'll start with the last and work backwards, in the hope of avoiding clashes. Thanks again and all best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Translation

Hi, can you please translate Er ist eine große Überraschung und spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter". RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 13:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I've no idea. It all depends on the context.

"Er ist eine große Überraschung und ..." could be "He is a big surprise and..." (but I guess you knew that already...)

"... spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter" MIGHT be "...despite being only twenty, plays like an old man / mature player / "old pro".

"ein Alte" could be "an old man". I don't know why "Alte" has an "r" on the end , but then German word endings often confuse me. Which is why for wikipedia purposes I tend to restrict myself to translating one way into English.

Anyhow, as ever (and as I already wrote) it all depends on the context. If my suggestions are consistent with what you might expect, then the translation works. If not, not.

Success Charles01 (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Mary Saran has been nominated for Did You Know

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Bruges City Hall

Hello, Charles

As you have seen already, I changed a few things in your article on Bruges City Hall (as you asked some days ago). Thank you for making new pages on Bruges in the English Wikipedia!

Your contributions on bishop Faict and Anselm de Peellaert look rather OK to me. I'll ask Andries Van den Abeele (who knows a lot about Bruges and is a very assiduous contributor to the Dutch Wikipedia) to have a look on them also.

Kind regards, Marc Ryckaert (MJJR (talk) 16:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)).

Thank you, Marc. When I was better at walking (and better at eating chocolate) than I am now, I grew fond of Bruges. These days I try and drive round it - and try and avoid even doing that between 16.00 and 18.00 - since I still have family connections across the frontier north of Maldegem. But I still have good thoughts and memories for that city hiding inside its moat! Many thanks for asking Andries to check these entries too.

Also .... how do you feel about translated entries on people from Gent? (Jules Van den Heuvel). Or even bridges? (Temse Bridge (East Flanders)) My English is fine (I think...) but my Dutch is not. BUT please ignore this if it may interfere with more important projects on Dutch wikipdia. And not, indeed, if it will interfere with real life. My "thank you" will remain undiminished and heartfelt concerning Bruges!

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Thank you. Charles01 (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Can you or Furius translate Hotel Waldhaus (Flims) [8]? Loeba requested it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, happily. Unless Furius wants to get in first. I never weep if Furius gets in first. Is that the one Carl Jung stayed at? I washed dishes in a big hotel in the next village during a winter season in the 70s. I think I may have popped round to the Waldhaus to visit fellow guest workers from the anglosphere. Too much information? Yup. Charles01 (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you!

I love your comments ;) Thanks for your additions to Catherine Feuillet. As you know, I don't speak French or read it. That being said, her contributions seemed huge. If she really does crack the code, the GMO debate will explode. I love that you found her DOB/POB and the quote is great! SusunW (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Clearly you have excellent judgement (as in you agree with me - though I trust you would not hesitate to tell me where you did not...) Thanks for reacting. Sometimes googling can land you on a nice source and I think I got lucky with this one. I'm afraid I find the intelligent journalistic style a whole lot easier on the digestion than the mega-scholarly. Especially (though not only) where I drift outside my mother-tongue. And I do think a well-judged quote can make a subject come alive - more multi-dimensional, as well as providing an excuse to build a wiki-entry beyond a 'mere wall of text'. Though of course I accept that if you put too many holes in the wall, the house falls down. Charles01 (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

What I have learned is that I get very different sources from a search engine here in Mexico than those of you across the pond do. I only hope that on some of these that seem very important, someone does jump in and make the articles better. I searched and searched and was totally unable to come up with her point of origin. I definitely notice all your little tweaks here and there and appreciate them. Articles can almost always be improved from another set of eyes :) SusunW (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. What I did for the search engine here, as far as I remember, was to enter "Catherine Feuillet née". Because the word "née" includes an acute accent that doesn't turn up so much in English sources, you tend to drive the French language sources to the top of the list. Though of course if the Great God Google says that in Mexico thou shalt not access French language sources .... well, it's alarming on several levels, but clearly it's an aspect of the planet we've ended up living on. Charles01 (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Great suggestion. I often follow Spanish bio queries with nació to pull the Spanish sources to the top. As I said, don't speak French and while I know that née is the designation (even in English) for born, didn't occur to me. (Significantly, I think it matters not that it is France. I can hardly find any sources for Chile in google, but I get great results on Romania. If I use an IP hiding engine I can find Chilean sources. Go figure.) SusunW (talk) 16:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Saran

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Thanks for the update, Casliber. Success Charles01 (talk) 12:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Peugeot 403 references

There is an error in the references on the Peugeot 403 page which I think may stem from an edit which you did some time back. Cheers. GTHO (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

So there is (?was). I think I just corrected it, but if not pls advise. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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I don't think I made any such submission. It's true, however, that I don't remember everything I do.

But a couple of people including you seem to have gone through the entry and made some changes, some of which are corrections of typing errors, some of which are syntax improvements and some of which are syntax changes which, though I don't necessarily think I'd have made them myself, do not materially detract from the quality of the thing. If that's part of the submission process, then good. And thank you! Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Noted. I tend to archive stuff after I am as sure as I can be that I'm unlikely ever to need it again, or at least not very often, and these days even here (ie UK) where the de facto monopolist telephone company provides third world quality infrastructure under many circumstances ..... I think the copper wires are slightly less ubiquitous and the thing is a little less snail-like than once. But you're right: I'm probably overdue for a burst of archiving. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Heinrich Schmitt

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Thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Regards. Charles01 (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Teufelhof Basel

Hi Charles, hope you're well. Can you expand this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I rememebr I did google round a bit, but didn't really come to any clear sense of where it might go. Maybe I'll need to take another look. Best Charles01 (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Stub vs start

Hi, can you remember to embolden the articles you create beyond stub level and mark as such on the Intertrans main page.? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:14, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be a wide range of views on what constitutes a stub and what constitutes as non-stub / ex-stub, and having made a start at translating an entry - maybe also improving it where sources allow - I am content to leave the semantic judgement to others. If you simply take the two terms "stub" and "start" at face value there's, at the very least, a good deal of overlap. All wiki entries - well most of them - desperately need further work, and lots of the ones that get "wiki-promoted" are appallingly written, sometimes including ones that I did myself and was quite pleased with at the time. That's a joy of the thing: each of us finds different things important. We can take delight in one another's priorities without necessarily sharing them in every detail. A wikipedia written by one person would be wiki-dull, and almost certainly (even) more error prone than the one we have till now. Me? I haven't really got my mind round stub definition. Might do one day, but it's not a priority. Success! Charles01 (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Minimum 1500 bytes of readable prose for a start class.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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A new, simpler system for editing will offer a single Edit button. Once the page has opened, you can switch back and forth between visual and wikitext editing.

If you prefer having separate edit buttons, then you can set that option in your preferences, either in a pop-up dialog the next time you open the visual editor, or by going to Special:Preferences and choosing the setting that you want:

The current plan is for the default setting to have the Edit button open the editing environment you used most recently.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs and expanded the mathematics formula tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages such as Japanese and Arabic, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.

Recent improvements

You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing.

The LaTeX mathematics formula editor has been significantly expanded. (T118616) You can see the formula as you change the LaTeX code. You can click buttons to insert the correct LaTeX code for many symbols.

Future changes

The single edit tab project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab, like the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as a cookie for logged-out users and as an account preference for logged-in editors. Logged-in editors will be able to set a default editor in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences in the drop-down menu about "Editing mode:".

The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the following Wikipedias in early 2016: Amharic, Buginese, Min Dong, Cree, Manx, Hakka, Armenian, Georgian, Pontic, Serbo-Croatian, Tigrinya, Mingrelian, Zhuang, and Min Nan. (T116523) Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. The developers would like to know how well it works. Please tell them what kind of computer, web browser, and keyboard you are using.

In 2016, the feedback pages for the visual editor on many Wikipedias will be redirected to mediawiki.org. (T92661)

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Defaultsort

Hi Charles01, I see you are creating a large number of articles. Great job. I noticed however that most of them were lacking the WP:SORTKEY, which causes articles not to be displayed in the right place in categories. I added the sort key to about twenty of your most recent articles. I hope you could add the defaultsort to the articles you create. Keep on the good work. Crispulop (talk) 09:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Noted. Sort key ... I'll try and understand what it does. Sounds like a neat idea. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week

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Editor sstflyer submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I nominate User Charles01 to be Editor of the Week for his tireless article translations. Charles01 has been an editor since 2006 and has over 40k edits, of which over 90% is to mainspace. As a member of the Intertranswiki project, he has been creating about an article a day, usually translating and expanding articles from other Wikipedia language versions such as the German Wikipedia that are missing from the English Wikipedia. I first noticed this editor while new page patrolling, and I think he deserves the EotW award. sst✈^discuss 09:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)