Talk:Kwyet Kinks/GA1

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Reviewer: Eurohunter (talk · contribs) 19:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tkbrett: I started review. Comments will be below. Review within 2023 GAN Backlog Drives. Eurohunter (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead

1. "Kwyet Kinks is the third EP by the English rock" - they are British band, for the same reason there is no Bavarian or Andalusian bands. Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   English is the term used at many FAs, such as the Kinks, the Beatles, Sgt. Pepper, "Hey Jude", "Something", John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and so on. I have not seen British used in the lead of a '60s music article.

   Okey but still they are British band, for the same reason there is no Bavarian or Andalusian bands just German and Spanish. Eurohunter (talk) 13:34, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   I think I will stick with the format used at those FAs.

   What about this article and facts? Eurohunter (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Background and music

1. "The author Richie Unterberger describes the EP as generally folk rock" - author of what? "describes"? now? Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   Unterberger has written a lot of books about '60s music which are listed at his article. Most relevant here would be his two-volume book on the history of folk rock, which came out in 2002 and 2003. I have changed his intro from "the author" to "the commentator".

   Yes but then it's still the queston that he is commentator of? It's still "describes" than "described" Eurohunter (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   I'll change it the clearer "music critic", a description of him I've seen elsewhere. I think "describes" is fine; at an FA like Sgt. Pepper, contemporary commentators are always invoked in the present-tense ("describes") and never the past-tense ("described").

   @Tkbrett: Okay but he "described" it then once, he is not "describes" it now. Eurohunter (talk) 16:14, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   I don't follow. Tkbrett (✉) 00:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

   @Tkbrett: It's like saying I'm writing this review now but no I written it already. Eurohunter (talk) 11:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

   @Tkbrett: So what do you think? I mean past tense. Eurohunter (talk) 13:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

   I think it is fine as is. This style of writing is used extensively at the FA I mentioned above (e.g. "Everett describes Starr as ..."). A FAC I just reviewed also uses it ("Cross Road Blues", which writes "Author James Perone describes James' adaptation ...").

2. "Shel Talmy produced and Alan MacKenzie likely engineered." - add "EP" at the end? Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   Agreed, done.

3. "Among band biographers, Johnny Rogan writes that the song" - "writes" and the next "and Nick Hasted writes". Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   I'm not sure I follow. What is your suggestion?

   Is that correct? Isn't that the same case for "describes" than "described"? Eurohunter (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   See above.

Release and reception

1. How many weeks it spent on charts? It would be worth to add. Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   I was able to add information regarding Record Mirror, but I am unfortunately coming up empty for Record Retailer. The Kinks biographer Doug Hinman does not say how many weeks it was on that chart, WorldRadioHistory is missing a lot of issues of that magazine and the Official Chart Company also does not collect historical information for EPs, only singles and LPs.

2. Add chart performance of Kinkdom album as it's done for single "A Well Respected Man". Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   Done.

Track listing

1. Add Template:Track listing. Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   The template should only be used in complicated situations (WP:ALBUMSTYLE#Style), which this is not. The track listing template also specifies that its use is optional, so I think that goes beyond the GA criteria. There is more discussion regarding the template at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 66 § Track listing template.

Other

1. There is no introdcution to previous Kinksize Hits and next Dedicated Kinks EPs. Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   I'm not sure what you mean; in both cases, they are introduced as an EP with their year of release.

   It's not in the text. Infobox is just a summary of whole article, so all the information should be in text first. See "Fest i hela huset" for example. Eurohunter (talk) 13:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   I see what you mean now, but I disagree. Template:Infobox album § Chronology talks about the need to put releases in order chronologically, but there is no mention of that information needing to be cited in the body of an article. I'll again point to the featured article for Sgt. Pepper, which gets along fine without citing in the body the relative release dates of A Collection of Beatles Oldies and Magical Mystery Tour.

   @Tkbrett: Don't you think it's natural to mention what was before and after? Eurohunter (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

   Not really; I have not seen it done at an FA before, which is what I use as my guide to article writing.

2. Would you upload and add audio sample to infobox? Choose any song, expect "A Well Respected Man". Audio sample for "A Well Respected Man" could be used in article A Well Respected Man. Eurohunter (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   I do not think there is enough commentary in the article on any given song to provide a non-free media rationale.

   This article is about EP, so sample would be added to illustrate it. Eurohunter (talk) 13:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   I do not think there is enough to provide a non-free media rationale. I do not think it would add much to the article, and it is not a requirement – MOS:ALBUM doesn't mention it – so I think I will pass on adding one.

3. I made some minor fixes. Eurohunter (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

   Thanks for the review, Eurohunter. My responses to your comments are above. Tkbrett (✉) 12:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   Eurohunter: More responses above. Tkbrett (✉) 15:35, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

   Eurohunter: Apologies on my slow reply. Responses are above. Tkbrett (✉) 17:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Status query

Eurohunter, Tkbrett, where does this review stand? Can we get it moving again? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: any more from you? I'll take this review over if it's not closed soon, Tkbrett. Willbb234 00:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)