User talk:Jerome Frank Disciple

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! Drmies (talk) 16:34, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Psh thank you! I'm really bad at checking my email notifications throughout the day (many thousands of unread).--Jerome Frank Disciple 18:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Misspelled user name

Hi Jerome Frank Disciple, I hope you haven't logged off yet.

You've referred to Golbez (no ping) several times (in your 17:27, 7 June 2023 post and your 00:08, 8 June 2023 post) as "Gomez". You might want to do a ctrl-f on "Gomez" and fix that. Regards, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 00:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Shoot that's what I get for trying to type a long comment on my tablet!! I know I caught it a few times, but clearly I missed about half of them???? oof. Thanks for the heads up!--Jerome Frank Disciple 00:19, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Death of Cooper Harris

The article Death of Cooper Harris you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Death of Cooper Harris and Talk:Death of Cooper Harris/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Actualcpscm -- Actualcpscm (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Because you deserve it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Aw shucks, thank you. I think that talk page you commented on, unfortunately, illustrates that I'm not always the most effective communicator, but I did try!--Jerome Frank Disciple 18:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

We sometimes need to save some GF for the next discussion. As an anecdote, I was about to reply to a "Can you please make an article about my dog?" at the Teahouse, started type something like "No.", then I thought fine, I'll google the name... hmm... awww..! Then I started Kratu (dog). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Death of Cooper Harris

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In World War 2

Algeria=France=Algeria. Just posted a big explainer on that. Otherwise thank you for your attempt to mediate; I think you are demonstrating some logic and open-mindedness. Good luck with that. I will try to catch you at the talk page before really, I must get back to the dramas I already have in progress. 07:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC) Elinruby (talk) 07:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah I appreciate that! Sorry for having to ask so many questions in that ANI thread; I read most of the talk page and was genuinely to struggle to understand the core of the content dispute (and it didn't really help that the vast majority of sources were in French).--Jerome Frank Disciple 13:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Minor thing

At User_talk:Leke23#List_of_Donald_Trump_endorsements_editing you wrote "you cannot revert a page 3 times within 24 hours", missing the "more than". Of course there was also CTOP and BRD issues, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

D'oh! Thanks for the heads up! Fixed--Jerome Frank Disciple 19:09, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

A couple more things: Here [1], in your last paragraph, you added a small-text tag, but no closing tag [2]. This has the fun effect of making my reply in that thread also small text. And giving me a feeling of accomplishment when I figured out HTH that happened.

Also, adding extra pings in this way [3] doesn't work, more at WP:PINGFIX. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah sorry! All over the place yesterday—I've always put pings in small tags; think that's the first time I've forgotten to close it. Good to know!--Jerome Frank Disciple 19:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Howdy

It was off topic and kind of personal, but I wanted to answer the question you had about why I identify with the issue so strongly. It has been a rather passionate pursuit of mine ever since I first started editing, and had an encounter with a more experienced editor who told me that I could not include a single sentence within an article because it was "not notable". I did my own research into the guidance, and found out he was wrong, and argued my point well enough to finally have this stupid little sentence included in the article. I thought it was so absurd I vowed to spend the rest of my editing career educating others to think for themselves and do their own research. The discussion about it is archived right here if you want more context. Huggums537 (talk) 09:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Jerome, I have a lot of grievances with the way you've been treating me. Especially with the recent portrayals here and here of the above paragraph where you kept referencing this as a "crusade" with a false quotational link to NNC making a false representation to others about what I have said here. You made me out as a personal crusader for NNC, but what I told you here was that "I vowed to spend the rest of my editing career educating others to think for themselves and do their own research", and that includes my other philosophies about being able to use primary sourcing as well as other editing philosophies I learned from that experience which I am completely allowed to have. You also lambasted me for my views by chastising me for simply making a suggestion without opening an RfC about it (without linking any proof mind you) while you let someone on your own side of the debate do the very same thing without saying a word to them. This could be seen as a form of badgering the opposition. I don't know what asshole thing I did or said to you, but I'm sorry for whatever it was. All I'm asking is that you just please lay the heck of my ass and stop lambasting my views or making them out to be something they are not because I have lots of personal philosophies thank you very much, not just this one single "NNC personal crusade" you have made it out to be. Thanks. Huggums537 (talk) 09:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Didn't mean any offense by crusade! Given your "I vowed to spend the rest of my editing career" line and the explanation that it traced back to a revert another editor made when you first started editing, I figured that wouldn't be a controversial descriptor! I'll absolutely refrain from the term

That said, yes, I stand by saying that if you want to discuss how the policy as to living persons should be changed, the appropriate thing is to start an RFC, not muse about NNC in an off topic way. It's not really surprising that other editors would respond to you bringing it up.

Futher, your personal attacks on that page have gotten out of hand, as I and other editors have said. Your position is a clearly minority position. You've brought it up in enough different shops to know that by now. Telling people that they're incompetent for not agreeing with you isn't appropriate, nor is calling them smartasses.--Jerome Frank Disciple 14:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. I kind of see some virtue to your points even if I might disagree with them, and I appreciate you at least making the effort to agree to refrain from using the pejorative term even though you didn't see anything wrong with it so I will respond in like kind and amend some strikes to my comments even though I see nothing wrong with them, and disagree they were personal attacks. I think that is a fair exchange. I will also be thinking about how to best propose my views in a follow up RfC. Thanks. Huggums537 (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Fantastic Adventures

Why we should not include the names of the victims even though they revealed their names on the channel from what I watched years ago before it got terminated. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The force of WP:BLPNAME is generally regarded as variable. Facially, it considers a few factors, including (1) how widely disseminated the names are and (2) the degree to which omission of their identity would deprive the article of necessary context. Here, I think there's no doubt that the names of the minors would not add necessary context to the article. Moreover, the protections of WP:BLP, including BLPNAME, are usually thought to apply with special weight when the living person in question is a minor (or was at the time of the event) WP:MINORS. Here, bear in mind that, as minors, the children themselves could not have meaningfully consented to the revelation of their names on the channels, and that's particularly true given the circumstances of the channel (in which it was shown that the children were often forced to perform).--Jerome Frank Disciple 21:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)