User talk:AP 499D25

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Peaceray (talk) 16:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Help me!

Please help me with... Why isn't this table rendering correctly?

Specifically, the last entry, at the bottom, is out of place. It should be placed after the "Ryzen 3", and completed with the other columns that have extended "rowspan", according to its code. AP 499D25 (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

My addition of a field separator causes the row to render correctly, but adds an unwanted column to the end. Maybe there's a clue there, but I don't yet see how to fix the problem. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:56, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Inspecting the page's HTML I see that the 3100U line is being considered a tfoot where other tables have empty tfoots. It feels like some count is off somewhere, but I still don't see it. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:08, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I have actually tried putting a field separator after the last table entry beforehand, and like you say it does make the row render correctly, but is not an ideal solution.

I have also tried changing the exclamation mark (!) to a pipe (|) for that specific entry so it is no longer a "heading" cell (i.e. does not have the bold text and darker grey background), and that also makes the row show up correctly, but it is still not an ideal solution either.

Interestingly, if I switch to visual editor mode, the table shows up correctly.

Anyways, thanks for your efforts to help.

— AP 499D25 (talk) 04:38, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

One other experiment I tried was to reduce the rowspan of one of the fields from the previous line - I tried release date and GPU model - and in both cases, having some additional data on the 3300u line caused it to render correctly (but those data were duplicates from the line above). In other words, providing at least one row-data field fixes it.

You say it looks right in VE but still renders wrong at the HTML stage? Curiouser and curiouser. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:53, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I've done some (extensive) digging, and I actually think this is a bug with the sortable nature of the table. For the purposes of getting a minimal test case, I dropped the wikitable styling so it's a little hard to see, but this table renders correctly:

col	col	col
row	row	row
	row

Whereas this table does not:

col	col	col
row	row	row
	row

The only difference here is the definition of the only cell in the last row as a header or a normal cell (| vs !). If you drop the sortable aspect of the table, both render correctly:

col	col	col
row	row	row
	row

versus

col	col	col
row	row	row
	row

For now, I've made an edit to the table to make the last row have more than one column (by duplicating the release date column instead of using a rowspan), and that seems to have fixed it, and it's probably the least-invasive way of fixing it short of fixing the software. stwalkerster (talk) 11:18, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I've put into the history another approach of dealing with the problem - when all the data in a row would just be spanned from the row above, simply combine the second header item with the first.

And I raised the question of whether this requirement for there to be unique data in a row applies to rows other than the last row, as in this example. I may try noodling around with that possibility, just to check. @Stwalkerster: thanks for looking at this interesting thing. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

I just came up with a more seamless workaround: make the cell a non-header, and instead, make the text bold and change the background colour to the one used by the header cells. Though I'm not sure if it's something that would be frowned upon or not. On the actual article/template there would be an HTML comment explaining why it's been done.

Thanks a lot for the help efforts both of you.

— AP 499D25 (talk) 01:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

It's not ideal to "fake" a column header with styling. Many assistive technologies (such as screenreaders) ignore styling and rely on the actual underlying HTML tag. As your proposed workaround would use the wrong tag type for the header, it may confuse screenreaders and other assistive technologies. As such, I'd recommend against that approach. stwalkerster (talk) 21:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

That's what I kind of had in mind too, hence the "not sure if it'd be frowned upon" comment. Will be changing it back since one of the reasons why I was updating the tables, was due to accessibility concerns. AP 499D25 (talk) 13:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't like the faked header more for aesthetics reasons, but if there are accessibility reasons, I'll let them trump my ideas of elegance.

I tried adding a row to one of the tables, early, like data row 2, and arranged for it to inherit all of its entries from the row above. It initially rendered okay, but if I sort the table, the row disappears entirely. Pinging @Stwalkerster: — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:51, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Looks the best aesthetically indeed.

Hmm, interesting find!

Just note that I'm going to be clearing the sandbox and using it for next uses shortly, if you are still there.

AP 499D25 (talk) 09:23, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Email

AP 499D25, please direct your email to the Oversight list. Emailing a single oversighter a list of 40 - 50 links gathered over a period of time that may or may not need oversighting or revdeleting (and some of the links I checked don't need either) is not the best game plan. Please send the links to the oversight email as you come across them. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Help me! 2

I am trying to install DisamAssist. I added it to my common.js page according to its installation instructions (note, I also have another user script installed, OneClickArchive), and the only result is that I was signed out of Wikipedia and it looked as if all my settings were reset when I refreshed WP first time. Upon second refresh I became signed in again but was greeted with a "you are signed in centrally" message or something like that. As of now I still don't have "disambiguate links" button in the top toolbar under the "More" dropdown.

AP 499D25 (talk) 05:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

What do you see when you got to Archbishopric of Cologne? I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 06:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh there we go, I see a "Disambiguate links" button there.

The page I was trying to use DisamAssist on, was Out-of-order execution. It doesn't appear there at all. AP 499D25 (talk) 08:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Just as a note about the {{help me}} request - this is not really something that it is useful for. If you are having issues with a script, you should try the Village Pump or the Teahouse for assistance. Primefac (talk) 12:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

CFL page

Oh, sorry. Go right on ahead and make the necessary corrections. :) 172.92.204.120 (talk) 01:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Your addition looked pretty alright to me, well-sourced and everything. Personally I would've left it there for others to improve on. Don't be afraid about making mistakes, see WP:BOLD. Have a lovely day, thank you. AP 499D25 (talk) 02:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Hi AP 499D25. After reviewing your request, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please keep the following things in mind while using rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle or RedWarn.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into trouble or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Alam Dad Lalika

Moved from #Welcome!

lpc 110.38.129.143 (talk) 13:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you for removing those (Ip Address) harassment messages from my talk page! Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 08:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I noticed the report on AIV and saw that it was ongoing, so I just wanted to help by with the situation a bit. AP 499D25 (talk) 09:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding edits on Kabir Mulchandani

Greetings!
Hello user AP you were right, apparently the WikiLoop bot might've flagged you're edits as vandalism due to removals of large-amount of texts and I have restored you're edits again.
Happy contributings! ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️ 📧 ✍️ 08:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks for the response! AP 499D25 (talk) 08:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

		The Teamwork Barnstar
		Thanks for helping out with those vandals earlier! — CAPTAIN JTK (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

my bad man

sorry, i had been up to 4am last night, so i was kinda loopy. i know i said some things i shouldn't have. i just wanted to screw around since i already got banned from the discord server i was doing that in. I am def not that larry guy. i just sat looking at recent changes waiting for something interesting to happen. sorry for rude comments n' shit. im surprised you didnt block me. thanks i guess. 104.235.70.23 (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

edit: so you DID block me. but i can somehow come here and apologize. funni. 104.235.70.23 (talk) 05:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

What!? I didn't block you. I'm not even an administrator, so I can't do so anyways. I encourage you to contribute constructively to this encyclopedia, however if you are just here to mess around and make edits like this as well as write random things on user talk pages (example 1, example 2) then you are not welcome to the encyclopedia I'm afraid. Although I'm not an admin, I can review / investigate the editing history of editors and report them to administrators accordingly if the pattern suggests they are not here to build an encyclopedia. AP 499D25 (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Stop changing my edits fa ggot 2404:4408:8A36:F400:DC9C:5AB8:C5A6:843F (talk) 08:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

those examples you have arent me... the third link was me though. i do kinda have interest in Wikipedia but my motivation leaves very fast if im being honest 104.235.70.23 (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

i should probably go to bead because im starting to feel goofy again 104.235.70.23 (talk) 09:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Hi, the issue with 124.197.207.130 is not a content dispute, it is a disruptive blocked IP hopper. I'm just giving the IP no recognition. John Yunshire (talk) 16:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@John Yunshire Thanks for the response. Would you mind telling me what account or IP they are block evading? I've looked at the block log of the latest three IPs and they all look empty to me.

I strongly suggest that you request semi-protection for each affected page over at WP:RPP to minimise further disruption. AP 499D25 (talk) 00:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

List of Nvidia graphics processing unit talk

Hi there, I noticed your comments on that page. I want to talk a bit about that. A key thing that seems to be going on is that there are a number of editors who seem very focused on trimming lists of technical lists down to the point where technical users can't get much value from them. I would like to see some pages modernized but I also would like to see if I can get enough support to push back against the supposed consensus that led to some technical article lists get more or less totally blanked out - like happened to the EXMOR page which used to have an associated list of Sony image sensors. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 05:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Edwin Herdman,

It's just a thought I had as I stumbled upon that talk page discussion in my occassional visit to the Nvidia GPUs list article. I am mostly an editor that focusses on AMD CPU and GPU articles, and maybe a bit of Intel CPU, far more familiar with those. I absolutely believe the list does need some trimming down, some trivial non-Wikipedia-worthy info shall be removed if there's any, and efficiency of the tables could be increased (as an aside example, look at List of AMD graphics processing units, the old GPU tables near the top of the article have so much blank space in cells, have those "API support" columns, whereas with the newer GPU tables like RX 7000 series for example, the data in the tables are neatly presented, certain columns like release date and price are combined, and there is no "API support" column).

Maybe I'll come back and look at the Nvidia GPUs list article again after I finish my list of to-do items on those AMD and Intel articles (one of which is a merge involving nearly half a dozen articles, into one). — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:17, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, AP 499D25. That sounds great to me, I'll keep an eye going. In the meantime I am trying to keep an eye out for other technology articles which may be threatened by what I'll call "overzealous pruning." I think there is a happy medium here, if everybody communicates. Unfortunately some other tech articles with lists are so obscure that somebody can go in and totally change them before the page editors can have a say. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 02:37, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

For helping revert that vandalism for that annoying LTA. Cheers, 47.227.95.73 (talk) 11:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Your inappropriate revert

From your contributions I see that you have started editing Wikipedia only recently, and mostly concern yourself with reverting and leaving warning messages. It seems that you were keen to do some reverting today and decided to pick on my common sense edit to "General Relativity". If you really could not see that regurgitating a table of contents was not useful, read WP:NONFICTION#Headers. "An exhaustive list of contents, without any editorial commentary or significance, should not be included". 131.251.253.112 (talk) 17:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)