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January 22

Portal:Current events/2023 January 22

January 22, 2023 (2023-01-22) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Germany–Russia relations, Germany–Poland relations German Foreign Affairs Minister Annalena Baerbock says that Germany will not prevent Poland from sending Leopard 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine which Ukrainian officials say are pivotal to defeating Russian forces. (Reuters) Arab–Israeli conflict The Lebanese Army declares a "state of alert" after stopping Israeli bulldozers and accompanying soldiers from approaching a border fence in Southern Lebanon. Peacekeeping forces from UNIFIL have also been deployed to the area. (AA) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed and three others are feared dead in an apartment fire in Kobe, Japan. (The Japan Times) At least 13 people are killed when a five-story building collapses in Aleppo, Syria, due to a leaking of water in the building's foundation. (Reuters) Four people are killed and six others are injured in a fire at a two-story cottage in Qusar, Azerbaijan. (Xinhua) Law and crime Police in Cameroon find the mutilated body of prominent journalist Martinez Zogo, who had been kidnapped by unknown assailants five days ago, amid increasing violence against reporters in the country. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2023 New Zealand Labour Party leadership election The ruling Labour Party unanimously elects education and public service minister Chris Hipkins to succeed Jacinda Ardern as the party's leader following Ardern's resignation three days ago. Governor-General Cindy Kiro is expected to appoint Hipkins as the 41st prime minister of New Zealand on January 25. (AP) Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu dismisses health and interior minister Aryeh Deri from his cabinet after the Supreme Court ruled that Deri was barred from holding a position as a cabinet minister due to his conviction for tax offenses. (AFP via France 24) Sports In surfing, American lifeguard Luke Shepardson wins the 2023 edition of The Eddie at Waimea Bay on the north shore of Oahu, Hawaii, United States, after finishing with 89.1 points out of 90, defeating defending champion John John Florence. (AP)

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RD: Lin Brehmer

Article: Lin Brehmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/wxrt-to-pay-tribute-to-lin-brehmer-with-celebration-of-life-broadcast-monday/3051632/
Credits:

• Nominated by KConWiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time Chicago radio personality KConWiki (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Agustí Villaronga

Article: Agustí Villaronga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Vanguardia, El País
Credits:

• Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish film director, known for Black Bread. He was also a screenwriter, actor and documentary director. Article needs some work. Alexcalamaro (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. Some of the paragraphs in the article are unsourced and others are only partially sourced. I think these issues should be fixed first. Silent-Rains (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

2023 Monterey Park shooting

Article: 2023 Monterey Park shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a mass shooting at a Chinese New Year celebration, a gunman kills ten people in Monterey Park, California. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a mass shooting at a Lunar New Year celebration, a gunman kills ten people in Monterey Park, California.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ten people are killed during a mass shooting at a Lunar New Year celebration in Monterey Park, California.
News source(s): CNN, LA Times, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Created by Koiramainen (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fuzheado (talk · give credit), Bagumba (talk · give credit), Muboshgu (talk · give credit) and Love of Corey (talk · give credit)

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support but the article is a bit thin at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  It is, I just expanded it past 1500 characters of prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Change blurb. A mass shooting can not kill people. The shooter is what killed people. Silent-Rains (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I've changed the blurb.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - I want to preemptively ask that users conduct themselves with civility when discussing this particular news item. Yes, this is a mass shooting. Yes, it occurred in the United States. Yes, the death toll might be on that precipice of just barely being significant or not significant. Whatever the case may be, I do ask that we avoid hurling invective around regarding how shootings are treated on WP:ITN, or how Americans vs non-Americans view this event, etc.. I hope this is not too large of an ask, particularly for an area which seems to bring out the most toxic of discussions here at ITN/C.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  +1. Curbon7 (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  @WaltCip: well, that didn't last long, sadly. See below. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait This may be a racially-driven shooting, which would elevate it for posting, but right now, it is a typical unfortunate mass shooting in the US, which we typically don't post. Last I read the suspect is still at large so motive will be a ways off from being known. --Masem (t) 16:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Counterpoint: this was one of the deadliest mass shootings the U.S. has ever had, happening in the middle of holiday celebrations, and is properly newsworthy for ITN regardless of motive. Further, it's comments like typical unfortunate mass shooting that minimize the impact of U.S. mass shootings, making them sound way more common than they are. These comments infuriate me and I will make no further responses in this section other than regarding article quality in the hopes of keeping this thread civil, per WaltCip's above comment. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Actually at present this doesn't rank in the top twenty deadliest shootings. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  I didn't say how high it ranked. Tied for 26th, it was deadly enough to be added to {{Mass shootings in the United States by deaths}}. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per Muboshgu's counterpoint. Rockin (Talk) 17:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Unfortunately this sort of thing really is far too commonplace. Last year there were 14 mass shootings in the US with combined casualties in the double-digit range.1 Will reconsider if this turns out to be some sort of terrorist related event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Two of those mass shootings had a double-digit death rate. Don't equate injuries to deaths. Silent-Rains (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  I am pretty sure I wrote "combined casualties." Yep. Just double checked. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Please do not act childish. My point is that injuries and deaths are not comparable to each other. A mass shooting where 10 people were killed is worse than a mass shooting where ten people were injured. Silent-Rains (talk) 17:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thoughts and prayers. 33rd mass shooting of 2023. Barely scrapes into the top 20 mass shootings in the US of all time. Hardly relevant, and a common disease. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Added Altblurb: The WP page and its sources refer to it as "Lunar New Year". Many there would be American, and many not of Chinese descent.—Bagumba (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb Oft-mentioned ITN topics are global impact and stagnant blurb content. This tragedy affects the Asian diaspora on a major cultural holiday, Lunar New Year, in a city whose majority population is Asian American. A timely page on an ongoing news item at the tops of most international versions of English news sites (I VPNed and browsed in private mode). Oh, and this should meet standards for WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, for those who subscribe to the theory.—Bagumba (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose 33rd mass shooting in the United States already this year. Not encyclopaedically newsworthy in any sense at this time. Another day, another mass shooting. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Yet, no one proposed posting the 32 other mass shootings. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  We keeping blocking these nominations. Ericoides (talk) 18:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• I haven't seen any proposed in ITN this year. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Who said this year? Last year, the year before, the year before that, usw. Ericoides (talk) 19:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• TRM did. Look above. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

What a bizarre argument. To act like any "mass shooting" (which is a loosely defined word as is) is similar in notability is insane. I live near Philadelphia and basically every day on the morning news is another report of a shooting in the city, many of which involve multiple fatalities. I would not think these events blurb-able, but it's hard to argue such events are even close to as notable as this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per Muboshgu's counterpoint. Evaxooooof25 (talk) 18:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Random crime that has yet to demonstrate any lasting significance. Not convinced that it even meets notability requirements for an article per WP:EVENT. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Very weak support As terrible as this is, unfortunately the US has many, many ass shootings a week, but with the amount of people, this may be ITN worthy. Vriend1917 (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - mass shootings that kill 10 people are uncommon in the US, and this is indeed ITN. This should be posted. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:27, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Another US mass shooting. Ericoides (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The article and news reports seem quite uncertain about the details. If we can wait for the future of the NZ PM to become clear then we can wait on the outcome of this mayhem. But that's then likely to turn into an arrest/trial and so we will have to wait upon a conviction. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  The article and news reports seem quite uncertain about the details: No, the deaths and injuries are quite certain, as is everything else stated in the blurb. Sounds like a WP:POINTy rationale to propose a wait based on an unrelated future resignation announcement. —Bagumba (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  The article is full of vague terms like "suspect", "did not specify", "estimated", "possible scene", "reportedly", "appeared to be". I just took another look at the NYT which has a live feed of the current SWAT team assault/siege so this is clearly an ongoing situation. We're an encyclopedia not a live news feed and so there's no rush. Let the news media do their job and we can get to it when the details and verdict is clear. Per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:27, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see how yet another mass shooting in the USA is notable, without any indication that there will long-term notability, like that occurred at Sandy Hook or Kent State. It's almost as if, that if a shooting is notable enough to get it's own article, that a nomination ends up here. In any other country, an event like this would lead to massive changes in gun law. If this finally happens in the USA because of this, then perhaps it would be ITN - but I don't see any indication that it would for this LA shooting. About the same number were killed in a shooting in Utah a couple of weeks ago, and there's been no ongoing coverage. Nfitz (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  If you don't think it's notable, nominate it for deletion. If you think it needs "long-term notability" on par with Sandy Hook or Kent State, which can't possibly be determined this early, that shows how off base people's thresholds for posting are. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  If you think that if something isn't quite notable enough for ITN, then it's not notable enough for Wikipedia at all, then you shouldn't be here. Nfitz (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  You're the one who said you don't see how it's notable. I tend to think that articles on subjects that are "in the news" are appropriate for "In The News", but that's just me. The Kent State shootings had four deaths, and I bet many here would have opposed posting it for not meeting their WP:MINIMUMDEATHS criteria. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  It's clear from the context that I'm discussing ITN, and not something else. And beyond context, I actually used the ITN acronym in my comment. Not that I support MINIMUMDEATHS, but presumably it would be quantified differently back then. There were only 3 incidents in the preceding decade in that country where more victims were murdered at Kent State. Heck, there were only 3 incidents in the preceding TWO decades! Heck, you have to go back to the 1920s, to find a significantly higher number of incidents - and most of those were white Americans massacring blacks, or labour unrest. So I disagree that there'd be many opposing it for not meeting Minimum Deaths; also it was particularly noteworthy, as it's the first time in that nation that the military was used to murder peaceful white protesters. Similarly the 1985 aerial bombing by police in Philadelphia didn't have a particularly high death toll (9), but the way that police mass murdered the victims would have made that noteworthy. Nfitz (talk) 20:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  In terms of anything in the news being appropriate for ITN, looking at the local state broadcaster, things that rank higher than this currently are Tik-tok cybersecurity concerns, ChatGPT, AI Chatbot, vehicular impaired driver restrictions, and the invasive species Phragmites australis subsp. australis. Which ones should I nominate User:Muboshgu? Nfitz (talk) 20:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Nominate what you want, as OTHERSTUFF arguments are unhelpful and each nomination should be considered on its own merits. And what the U.S. was like 100 years ago isn't relevant to how it is now, either. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  It's not an OTHERSTUFF argument. It's an indication of just how insignificant this event is, even in neighbouring countries, that media coverage is already vanishing. Yeah, it will be in the national papers here tomorrow, but there'd unlikely be ever a mention of it afterwards, unless there are some unexpected developments. Nfitz (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose unless it was motivated by an ideology. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support per Bagumba. Seems callous to skip this when a darts competition gets a rubber stamp. Zagalejo (talk) 20:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  That speaks more to the lacking notability of the darts than the notability of this event, and either way that's a discussion for the ITN criteria talk page, not here. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Awwww we replaced the boat race with darts in regards to this argument? Forget 10+ Americans dying due to gun violence, 50+ brown people dying on disasters is still enough enough while we allow darts to get a free pass. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  You seem to have me incorrectly measured. I support an ITN sports cleanup and darts would be one of the items most clearly on the chopping block. Again though, this is not the place to discuss this though. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment the sheer ignorance of people attempting to compare this commmonplace event in the good ol' US of A (33rd mass shooting of 2023) with a sports event which is on the ITNR listings is a clear demonstration that we should probably seek a minimum threshold of WP:CIR for people who "vote" here. Ridiculous. Once again we have yet another shooting in the US which amounts to nothing, will come to nothing, achieves nothing, "thoughts and prayers" and all that kind of crap, yet because we're 60% yank, we feel obliged to post this kind of crap non-story, week in, week out. Boring, useless, not even encyclopaedic. "Man in country full of guns uses gun to kill to kill other people with loads of guns". Derisory. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Ah, I see you took WaltCip's admonition to heart. (sarcasm) Don't be rude or insult people by saying they're not competent to vote here. This was exactly what WaltCip was warning all of us about. Anyway, no, mass shootings that kill 10+ people are not "commonplace" in the US, even if they do take place far more often than they should. The last mass shooting that took place in the US that was posted here was Uvalde, and the last mass shooting that killed more than 10 people in the US was also Uvalde. That there were 32 other mass shootings in the US this year is irrelevant, we didn't post them and no one proposed to post them, because they were not notable enough for ITN. This isn't a "non-story", and I'm tired of these false comparisons. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Suggest you take a break. The very fact you're telling me "the last mass shooting that killed X" is the very reason it's a non-story. Get a grip Rockstone, you need to grow up and stop trying to convert this Wikipedia to US-shooting-events-pedia. It's grim reading every time some nutbar in the States uses his second amendment rights to shoot up a load of people. Thank goodness this time it wasn't kids. But all we do when we publicise this crap is encourage more stupidity from gun-wielding maniacs who have the blessing you lot. Weird, but not encyclopedic, not enduring, just sadly tragic. One day you'll realise that. The rest of the world looks on in total abject pity for your situation. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• I acknowledge that I did send out a plea for civility, although I also realize that perhaps TRM has some reason to be gruff given the goings-on at the ITN talk page. I'd say just let it be for now and not try to escalate a further argument. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 23:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support the second altblurb I just added because it sounds easier to read, in my opinion. Nythar (💬-❄️) 23:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

January 21

Portal:Current events/2023 January 21

January 21, 2023 (2023-01-21) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine The Russian military says that it has launched offensive operations in Zaporizhzhia Oblast and "taken more advantageous lines and positions". (France 24) Tigray War Tigrayan peace process Eritrean forces withdraw from Shire and other major towns in the Tigray Region of Ethiopia. (Reuters) 2022–2023 Peruvian political protests Peru indefinitely closes its iconic Machu Picchu historic site due to the ongoing unrest which has killed dozens of people. Around 500 foreign nationals are currently stranded in Peru. (BBC News) (AFP via France 24) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Burkina Faso demands that French forces withdraw from its territory after suspending a 2018 military accord that allowed the presence of French troops in the country. The ruling military junta has given France one month to complete the withdrawal. (Reuters) Yemeni Civil War Six people are injured after a bomb explodes in al-Majaza, Shabwah Governorate, Yemen. (Middle East Monitor) Arts and culture Japan wins the 2023 World Pastry Cup in Chassieu, Lyon Metropolis, France. (AFP via The Philippine Star) Business and economy International sanctions during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine RT France, the French arm of the Russian state media network RT, ceases operation following the freezing of their bank accounts by the Direction générale du Trésor. (AFP via News18) International relations Sweden–Turkey relations The Turkish defense ministry cancels Swedish defense minister Pål Jonson's upcoming visit to Turkey in response to an approval for far-right extremist Rasmus Paludan to protest in front of the Turkish embassy in Stockholm. (AFP via The Jordan Times) Law and crime 2023 Monterey Park shooting Ten people are killed and ten others are injured in a mass shooting at a dance studio after Lunar New Year celebrations in Monterey Park, California, United States. The suspect, 72-year-old Huu Can Tran, escapes and later commits suicide. (Los Angeles Times) Politics and elections 2023 Slovak constitutional referendum Slovakians head to the polls to vote in a referendum to determine whether early elections can be called before the customary end of the mandate. (AP) 2023 Brazilian Congress attack Commander of the Brazilian Army Júlio César de Arruda is fired by President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in the aftermath of the January 8 Congress attack and is replaced by Tomás Miguel Ribeiro Paiva. (AP) Tanzanian opposition party Chadema organizes a political demonstration in Mwanza. This is the country's first demonstration since President Samia Suluhu Hassan abolished her predecessor John Magufuli's seven-year ban on political assembly earlier this month. (AFP via VOA)

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January 20

Portal:Current events/2023 January 20

January 20, 2023 (2023-01-20) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Bakhmut Russia claims that it captured the village of Klishchiivka in Donetsk Oblast, south of Bakhmut, and the village of Lobkove in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Balochistan A bomb blast derails a passenger train in Peshi village, Kachhi District, Balochistan, Pakistan, injuring 13 people. (Al Jazeera) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso The Burkina Faso Armed Forces rescue 62 women and four babies kidnapped by jihadists in Arbinda, Sahel Region, on January 15. (AFP via Voice of America) The United States Department of the Treasury designates the Russian paramilitary organization Wagner Group as a transnational criminal organization, allowing provisions for international sanctions. (AFP via Le Monde) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge The Bank of Japan reports that inflation in Japan increased by 4.0% in December, the highest recorded increase since 1981. (CNN) (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2023 Nyingchi avalanche Twenty-eight people are killed and 53 others are rescued during an avalanche at a tunnel in Nyingchi, Tibet, China. (Al Jazeera) A Dominican man who was lost in the Caribbean Sea for 24 days is rescued by the Colombian Navy. (AP) Seven people are killed and over 50 are injured in a collision between a bus carrying students and a van in Radella, near Nuwara Eliya, Sri Lanka. (Gulf Today) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea Prime Minister Han Duck-soo announces the termination of the country's indoor mask mandate, with the exception of public transport and medical facilities, effective January 30. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Law and crime Sagarejo shooting A man opens fire from a balcony in Sagarejo, Kakheti, Georgia, killing five people and injuring five others. The gunman later commits suicide. (Global News) Rishi Sunak seatbelt incident UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is fined £100 by Lancashire Constabulary for failing to wear a seat belt while recording a video for social media in the back of a moving car. (BBC News) Sports 2022–23 Serie A The Italian Football Federation sanctions Juventus F.C. with a 15-point deduction in the league table for capital gain violations. (AA) Rugby Australia suspends Waratahs full-back Kurtley Beale from all rugby union games following his arrest on sexual assault charges. (CNN)

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RD: Stella Chiweshe

Article: Stella Chiweshe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Lajmmoore (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chiweshe is an internationally known Zimbabwean mbira player. Also this is my first ITN nomination, so apologies if I have done it not quite right. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• welcome to itn/c, Lajmmoore! i believe editors here generally require discography entries to be reliably sourced. (also, i assume the quotation mark used in one of the discography entries is misplaced.) i'd also recommend mentioning only the longest alias in the introductory parenthetical, and moving the other two to a footnote, but that's just a personal preference. article looks pretty good otherwise, especially compared to how it was before you updated it. dying (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks very much @Dying I've referenced the discopgraphy now. However, I don't usually work on musicians so another pair of eyes to the reliability of the sources would be wonderful. Lajmmoore (talk) 10:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  MusicBrainz is a WP:USERGENERATED source, but the other discography sources look good. Joofjoof (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  support. i'm admittedly also not very familiar with reliable music sources, but will trust Joofjoof's judgement. dying (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Thanks for nominating this. I learned about the mbira when I visited Zimbabwe! The article is good, too (I think). -TenorTwelve (talk) 07:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - long enough. Recent death. Sources looks ok.BabbaQ (talk) 08:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article seems long enough, adequately/sufficiently sourced. Sources seem ok too. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support College and worldbeat radio staple in the 1990s (when I was tuned in to that world), probably beyond as well, no notability concerns, and article is a good introduction to her life and work. Penny Richards (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Sal Bando

Article: Sal Bando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just announced, so not ready yet, but I'll get it ready this weekend. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• It's better now. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:05, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-cited and holistic. As usual, excellent work. Curbon7 (talk) 18:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Nano Riantiarno

Article: Nano Riantiarno (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jakarta Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian actor, director, and playwright Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Sourced. And long enough. Good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Harunata

Article: Harunata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RMOL
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former head of Lahat and bureaucrat in the ministry of home affairs. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:44, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Recent death. Sourced. Long enough. Looks good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Peruvian protests

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Article: 2022-2023 Peruvian political protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: I don't think the updates are frequent or substantive enough to merit continued inclusion in the Ongoing section. Even the more significant edits are mostly about "sideline" issues and not the protests themselves. Plus, coverage of the protests, while still present, has decreased. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The last update was literally from yesterday with a 10,000 person protest. Curbon7 (talk) 15:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Unlike the Mahsa Amini protests, these are definitely still occuring in a large scale. As Curbon pointed out, yesterday alone there was a 10,000-strong protest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• oppose per Curbon7. 2600:6C44:237F:ACCB:1878:C264:3341:DF85 (talk) 17:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose There's still quite a bit of media coverage on the protests, and, as, again mentioned by Curbon, they're still happening at a large scale. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The linked article has covered events from nearly every day in the past week. That's literally a textbook definition of an article that qualifies for an "ongoing" link. --Jayron32 19:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose It’s still definitely a large thing going on, many media outlets still covering it, and still large scenes of the protest, unlike the Mahsa Amini protests. Vriend1917 (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Still ongoing. Simple.BabbaQ (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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Brahim Ghali re-elected

Article: 16th Congress of the POLISARIO Front (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Brahim Ghali is re-elected as General-Secretary of the POLISARIO Front and President of the SADR in the first competitive election in the history of the SADR. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 16th Congress of the POLISARIO Front, Brahim Ghali is re-elected as General-Secretary of the POLISARIO Front and President of the SADR in the first competitive race in the history of the SADR.
News source(s): Sahrawi Press Service, RTVE, El País
Credits:

• Nominated by Tidjani Saleh (talk · give credit)

 Tidjani Saleh (talk) 23:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: no significance even in the region this territory is situated. We need to stop prioritizing political articles over all other classes of articles. Colipon+(Talk) 02:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  How does it not have significance in the region the territory is situated in? Tidjani Saleh (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  This has some significance in Western Sahara itself, but this was not even a top-10 news story in, say, Tunisia, when it happened. It has very limited impact. Colipon+(Talk) 15:42, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as said by @Colipon Vriend1917 (talk) 03:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose That Polisario Front is something I've never heard exists. As such, it might be important for others in my boat to read. But the lack of citations could mean we're all learning a bunch of bullshit. Fix those up and we'll see. But it's not going to be easy. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  You not hearing about it doesn't mean it's less important. Wikipedia is currently showing elections in Antigua and Barbuda and Benin, why not one in Western Sahara especially when it has done a significant change for the political situation of said country? Tidjani Saleh (talk) 04:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  I didn't say it was less important than anything, I said it seemed interesting and needs more citations for verification. Antigua and Barbuda's elections made for the most boring story I've ever read, but the article didn't have an orange tag. Orange means bad, so far as educational values go. Anyway, can you elaborate on this "significant change for the political situation"? It seems vague. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  1. What do you exactly mean by orange tag in this context?

  2. The Congress has given a mandate to the newly-elected president to "intensify the armed struggle" (unprecedented language since 1991) in the first Congress after the ceasefire was broken in Western Sahara in 2020, apart from being a competitive race for the first time ever in the country (the president also got the lowest score ever obtained by a winner).

  3. The Congress has got decent coverage in Western Sahara, Morocco (which is far from friendly towards Polisario), Algeria, Spain and Mauritania. It has also been covered by big-sized African media such as Jeune Afrique or Africanews and bigger international one such as RFI or EFE. Tidjani Saleh (talk) 04:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll need some time to wrap my head around that. Meanwhile, the orange tag is the box before the article starts, saying "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." It's not a good sign. It's also not technically the target article, which seems to work as a loophole sometimes. Good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't see that orange box in this article, and I've got it for others ^^ Tidjani Saleh (talk) 05:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd linked the article I'm talking about above, but it was easy to miss. Polisario Front. Can't miss it. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh, the article I want to be nominated isn't Polisario Front (which will never get rid of that due to the constant Moroccan vs Sahrawi edit wars), but the 16th Congress of the POLISARIO Front. Polisario has enough literature to write books about it (I already have some in my shelves) and it's a national liberation movement that's recognised by the UN. Tidjani Saleh (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, intentionally or not, you've proposed two blurbs containing a link to that article. If it wasn't central to understanding what Brahim Ghali did here, I'd say just unlink it. But people who don't know the bookshelves you do are probably going to want that for background first. This nom is doomed, I think, though it was nice meeting you and opening my eyes to a world I've mostly just thought of as sand till now. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Question Since the SADR is a state that’s recognized by 45 UN members & is a member of the African Union, would this fall under ITN/R? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Should WP:ITN/R exclude elections entirely?
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The ITN/R on elections of heads of state never had consensus and I do not regard it as legitimate. Why are we always prioritizing heads of state and heads of government? A CEO leaving one of the top American tech firms is probably more consequential (and newsworthy) than a change of government in most of the world's sovereign states, let alone a mere continuation of a specific incumbent. Why do we prize political leaders more than other subjects? I don't get it. Colipon+(Talk) 15:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC) If you feel the heads of state ITNR is illegitimate, please start a discussion on WT:ITN to remove and/or validate it. But until that happens, we assume that that ITNR is legitimate. Masem (t) 15:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC) With respect, can you please find me the diffs or collective discussion where it was originally established as consensus that head of state/government changes and elections in all sovereign states automatically qualify as ITN/R? I have attempted to find this myself many times but could not find in our archives. For such an important rule there should at least be a paper trail on how the rule was first established. Colipon+(Talk) 15:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC) As a sign of my goodwill, linking you to my original good faith efforts at reaching consensus with other editors from ten years ago. I spent an untold amount of time attempting to 'reform' this framework back in the day. :) Colipon+(Talk) 16:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC) That there was no resulting consensus either way from that discussion implies that the status quo (that is, keeping the ITNR item on elections) should remain. I agree that there was probably no RFC-type consensus where it was originally added to the list - several of ITNR items are like this - so it is fair to ask the simple question "Is there support for the election allowance on ITNR?" as to remove it. If that has consensus, then elections would be removed. If not, then that RFC would likely be established as the reference discussion for including elections. That's how we've been handling other ITNRs that have no clear discussion where they were allowed but have been on the list seemingly forever. Masem (t) 20:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC) I suppose whether you subscribe to the logic of "this was not clearly overturned in previous discussion so it remains part of ITNR" vs. "this was never clearly established as consensus in the first place so the rule itself is illegitimate" is honestly a matter of interpretation and personal preference. I'm not going to insist I am right, only that I hold this view myself and have good reason for it. Colipon+(Talk) 21:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC) Hear, hear. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - I'm making no judgement as to whether this is ITN/R or not - it seems highly newsworthy in its own right. And if edit-warring around SADR topics means they're always flagged, and that means they can't be bold links on the homepage, doesn't that worsen our systemic bias? GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  There are plenty of articles about all manner of people and things, from all walks of life, that don't let edit warring stand in the way of citing paragraphs at least once at the end. Two entirely distinct core policy issues. Since yesterday, I sympathize with these rebels' plight more than ever, but we're not about to start holding the Polisario Front's en.wiki article to a different quality standard than David Crosby or Gina Lollobrigida's simply because they've had a harder time finding acceptance in the wider Western zeitgeist. Get good, all articles what dare enter here! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose SADR/Polisario Front is an ethnic liberation movement that controls less <25% of the territory they claim - the majority of the land they claim is governed by Morocco. Additionally, SADR is a government in exile based out of Algeria, and this election took place in a refugee camp in Algeria. I do not think this counts as ITN-worthy for two reasons:

1. Whether or not Ghali is a head of state is contentious, but he is definitely the leader of a nationalist/separatist movement, and to the best of my knowledge ITN has never before posted change of leadership (or re-election) for a nationalist/separatist movement.

2. The situation in Western Sahara is far too complicated to sum up in 1-2 sentences. I don't think either of the blurbs fully cover the situation, as they both exclude SADR's status as a government in exile and the location of the voting in Algeria. The page for the 16th Congress needs significant expansion and improvement in order to provide adequate context. e.b. (talk) 21:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose For the reasons laid out by Ebacas. I think for a state like Somaliland or Abkhazia or Northern Cyprus (i.e. stable, self-governing, controls the vast majority of their claimed territory), it is generally ok to post ITN/R elections. However, the situation is so complex in Western Sahara and the SADR controls such a little portion of territory. Curbon7 (talk) 22:32, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  The List of current heads of state and government does not differentiate by amount of territory controlled. It classifies Western Sahara as one of the states that "control at least part of their territory and are recognised by at least one UN member state". Joofjoof (talk) 10:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose ITNR already covers a lot of ground for elections and there is a reason states with limited recognition are not included therein and have not been posted including the recent Northern Cyprus, Hong Kong et al etlections. Gotitbro (talk) 12:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The way I see it, we have a real serious grey area here in regards to if partially-recognized states are eligible for the INT/R elections item. To me, I don't see any good way to fix the problem, in large part due to the status of the ROC, which is largely recognized and agreed as an item for posting by the editing base here, but from what I can see is only recognized by 13 UN member states (many of them regional allies). By contrast, the SADR is recognized by 45 UN members. Taiwan's position as an item of desire by the CPC may elevate it here in regards to international attention, but I believe it stands to reason that the SADR's elections should land in the same bin as far as notability. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

January 19

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RD:Oladipo Ogunlesi

Article: Oladipo Ogunlesi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Nation
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ibjaja055 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The First Medical Professor in Nigeria. Ibjaja055 (talk) 15:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Note Coverage of his career should be expanded. Joofjoof (talk) 09:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Can the citations from the lede be moved to the article body? If stuff is already referenced in article body, why do we need extra citations in the lede? It would be better if the death section is also modified and put in a paragraph format instead of a quote-format. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Andi Rasdiyanah Amir

Article: Andi Rasdiyanah Amir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Antara
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian Islamic scholar. First woman to lead an Islamic university in Indonesia. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Appears to be well-cited and holistic. Some parts read a little awkwardly, but overall good work! Curbon7 (talk) 17:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Sourced and ready. Good work indeed.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: David Crosby

Article: David Crosby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American musician David Crosby dies at the age of 81. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Finance Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GoingBatty (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer, guitarist, and songwriter. Founding member of the Byrds and Crosby, Stills & Nash. Thriley (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Article looks good , and has a lot of citations too 𝐹𝒾𝓇𝑒 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓈𝑒 (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Hold on - currently sourced to 'Newsdirect.com'. Need more verification first. Some on the tubes are saying this is a hoax. Jip Orlando (talk) 21:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose blurb, certainly a cultural figure for his time, but he wasn't Pele or Benedict XVI. Semi-major US significance, little international. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Of that time, David Crosby was internationally known. Kurnkerner (talk) 03:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Like the Beatles [YEAH!] he moved the music goalposts. Kurnkerner (talk) 21:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  There is nothing in the article that supports this point. Perhaps the bands he were in did that, but he himself isn't (yet) documented as having that much significance in the musical world. Masem (t) 21:14, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  READ Facebook memoirage. today and yesterday. E.g., Jesse Dayton's of a day ago. Kurnkerner (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  As I've said, "nothing in the article" that talks to him being important or significant. Memorials from social media mean nothing, we are looking for reliable sources. Masem (t) 21:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Social media, in toto, does mean future reliability. Kurnkerner (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Yahoo article is a 404. I think this is a hoax or an error. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• comment: death now reported by variety. dying (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes, guess it is true. Sad. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not Ready Referencing is dreadful. This is going to take some work before it can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose blurb once article is up to scratch. He was certainly a notable figure in his field. But not THAT notable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  He was VERY notable. Kurnkerner (talk) 03:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet - This article is a mess, for such a well-known person: bloated lead, poor referencing. Needs work before it's ready for primetime. Moncrief (talk) 23:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb in principle to get discussion going and avenge Little Richard. On phone rn, so haven't edited template. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Proposed blurb.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Blurb is an almost but not quite there. CoatCheck (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD once updated, weak oppose Blurb I can't see Crosby being a blurb-able musician on his own. Maybe arguable if included in blurb was The Byrds and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, with CSNY arguably being one of the first Supergroup (music) ( Cream (band) might be a first, depending on how someone sees it). However, once article is updated to a decent state for RD, I'd support based on legacy, long running career, and pop culture icon on the Vietnam War generation and early 70's music. TheCorriynial (talk) 00:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb no indication of being a leader of the musical community by way of legacy or impact. He was part of two influential groups, but that doesn't make him influential. --Masem (t) 00:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose blurb - Great musician. Just not blurbworthy. HiLo48 (talk) 00:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Old man dies... tragic, but it's life. Noah^Talk 00:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  To be the devil's advocate, we've posted the deaths of old men before, most recently Constantine II. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Spencer: @Jayron32:: this is precisely what I mean by "precedent creep". We have a duty to maintain some reasonable standard for blurbworthiness - otherwise stuff like this happens. Colipon+(Talk) 03:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• OMD Nobody gets into the business thinking, "I want to sound like David Crosby". That's not to say he wasn't involved in a lot of really good songs, bands and movements. He just didn't blow anyone's mind with this or that innovation. Fix up the usual and get him a Photo RD. A beautiful man we lost here today. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  That is simply not true. It may be true nowadays, but since the mid-60's David Crosby has been a model for dozens for how one might sing. Check Jesse Dayton's homage in FB the last couple days. Kurnkerner (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose both – until article is updated. Article is currently a hot mess. Cheers! {{u|WikiWikiWayne}} {Talk} 07:31, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb, somewhat similar level to Loretta Lynn. Hope the article can be fixed up well. RIP.. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD when ready, oppose blurb - A significant musician, but not so outstandingly so as to merit a blurb IMHO. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb - Per Genevieve. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD when ready, oppose blurb - I'd be more likely to support a blurb for Neil Young (let's hope we're not discussing it any time soon, though). Anarchyte (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb as he isn't notable enough for one. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 11:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  He's notable enough in Spanish Wiki to merit blurb and a pic. Kurnkerner (talk) 02:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Most of the music career section is uncited. Needs a lot of work to be main page ready. --Jayron32 12:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment "Support RD when ready" might be the dumbest 4 words on Wikipedia. Everyone, by default, supports every RD when it's ready. Anyway, oppose blurb because Crosby himself, while a stellar musician, was not hugely transformative or impactful, and the article is still far from ready for RD. -- Kicking222 (talk) 14:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I see your point, but my hope is that providing those kinds of comments as part of a somewhat broader statement provide suitable encouragement to editors who know about the subject (and in this case I am not nearly well-enough informed) to actually go and fix it so that it can be posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It's to contrast the opposition of a blurb. i.e., blurb is a no-go, but the standard RD will be ready soon enough. Anarchyte (talk) 00:32, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

My silence is rarely an unspoken Support. I'm on record at several places on this board saying the majority has gone too far with posting literally any bio that's ready. Once more, my default preference (no matter how dumb or upon deaf ears) is to see dead famous people's articles in the "In The News" box, exclusively. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

As a member of the Byrds, both his singing [ESPECIALLY] and his ideas on arranging were HUGELY influential. Kurnkerner (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, Support RD. This was the reason RD was created. To post deaths of old people who were famous but not quite so globally transformative. Colipon+(Talk) 02:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb [getting the hang of this]. David Crosby (as well as Jeff Beck) are both listed under the respective 'notable deaths' of several major Wiki languages. In Spanish he gets a picture, too. Besides being on the varsity bench of the musicians of his prime-time he is notable for his representation of/participation in the zeitgeist of the 60's/70's. Kurnkerner (talk) 04:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Support. The role of David Crosby over the decades was not one that, by its nature, stands out. He was one of the rock-and-roll musicians that played the role of influencer. Kurnkerner (talk) 07:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Can you name three stars who have called him an influence? Two? One? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Support David Crosby is an ICONIC person of the '60's. Like Frank Sinatra, for a previous generation say. "Laurel Canyon," etcetera. Kurnkerner (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for people so important that a separate article on their death and/or funeral could be written. Abductive (reasoning) 08:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

I have never seen that asserted here before. FWIW I am opposed to a blurb. But the standard you are proposing is way too high and would all but eliminate death blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

I have asserted it here for years. And if you look through the results, you will see that blurbs that get posted conform to the standard a goodly percentage of the time. This nomination will fail, and it should never have been made in the first place. Abductive (reasoning) 13:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I invite both of you to participate in the WT:ITN discussion on death blurbs so we can maybe hash out this particular issue. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment As long as there are so many cn tags in the article, this is not getting posted. Work on the article first instead of discussing RD vs blurb. --Tone 13:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

More people would work on it if they were assured it would not get a blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 13:43, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Baldwin charged in Rust shooting

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Article: Rust shooting incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Actor Alec Baldwin is charged for involuntary manslaughter in the Rust shooting incident. (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, CNN Fox News`
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant development in this incident, notable actor facing up to 18 months in prison. Natg 19 (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Unimportant news, especially as it's only a charge, not a conviction. Black Kite (talk) 17:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - As Black Kite said, this is only a charge, not a conviction. Not only that, ITN isn't a celebrity news-ticker either. Good faith nom, but I don't think this should be posted. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. According to the BBC News article, it's not even a charge yet it's an intention to charge. We don't post announcements of intentions to do things, we post when things are actually done. However, when it comes to criminal prosecutions ITN's convention is that the verdict (or conclusion if that happens before a verdict) is the best time to post in almost all cases, in part because that has the fewest BLP issues. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above --Rockin (Talk) 18:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose there has been a rough consensus in the past that we post convictions, not other steps along the judicial process. I see no reason to deviate from that norm here. --Jayron32 18:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Levivich (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Charges haven't even been filed yet. The district attorney announced her intention to file charges by the end of the month. But regardless, I support the consensus that only convictions are ITN-worthy. e.b. (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Anton Walkes

Article: Anton Walkes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Miami Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Costawithcourtney (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. The personal life section could do with improvement so a third of it isn't about a minor conviction, and more than a sentence about his death would also be good. However what is there is sourced and good enough for RD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  I've expanded the passage about the circumstances about his death a bit, from another article with more information. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 19:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Sources are good. Decent summary of his club career, comparable to other footballers' pages. I second the above comments re: improvements, and agree that it's good enough to post as is. e.b. (talk) 19:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited. His career is holistic enough for our purposes, but early life could use expansion. Curbon7 (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Sourced and ready. Good work.BabbaQ (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Abdul Ghani Azhari

Article: Abdul Ghani Azhari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chenab Times, there would be preferably more by the evening
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A senior Muslim scholar who deserves to be given recognition for what he did as a scholar and a notable one. Article updated and expanded enough. ─ The Aafī (talk) 08:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC) (updated at 13:50, 19 January 2023 (UTC))

• Support RD, but I would ask the nominator to understand that inclusion here is not some kind of accolade or quality mark for the person - anyone who has a Wikipedia page that is in decent condition, and who dies, is eligible to be posted here without any need to further weigh their achievements. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Article might need some expansion IMO. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 13:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Thanks for the support GenevieveDEon. Although this is possibly my 13th RD nom, I had no other sentence in my mind and just posted what came into my mind quickly, and I know RD's is not any kind of accolade. Thanks User:The Bestagon, I'm expanding the article as the resources allow me. ─ The Aafī (talk) 13:50, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support. Expansion would be good, as would improvement to the prose such that nearly every sentence doesn't start "He", but it's OK for RD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Page could definitely be expanded, but what is there is well cited and coherent. Similar to other academics/published authors, ISBN numbers/other IDs (or even just a link to WorldCat) would enhance the list of his published works. e.b. (talk) 19:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

You are right @Ebacas. I tried very hardly searching variants of his name in English/Urdu on VIAF and WorldCat but could not find anything. His books are not online so I do not have access to ISBN numbers either. I hope all this can be taken care of in few upcoming days. ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ebacas: I was just able to find WorldCat link but unfortunately there is just one book listed. Nonetheless, updated. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good to go. Expanded enough and sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 00:42, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:17, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Solomon Peña

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Article: Solomon Peña (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In New Mexico, Solomon Peña is arrested for allegedly orchestrating and participating in the drive-by shootings of the homes of several Democrat politicians in response to his loss in the 2022 New Mexico House of Representatives election. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The likely attempted assassination of several politicians in New Mexico Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC) (UTC)

• Oppose on a number of reasons: arrests without convictions are generally not posted, none of the attempts were successful, only local politicians involved. YD407OTZ (talk) 05:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose As stated we only post arrests in rare circumstances. I don't want to downplay this incident, but I don't think the degree of significance is there for this to be one of those circumstances. Curbon7 (talk) 06:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose -- no one died, and it's unusual, but not to such a level that it should be blurbed. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - That is quite a convoluted blurb. We generally don't blurb arrests, and while this may be an unusual event, it doesn't quite fit in to ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - As ever, single arrests tend not to be notable. In the event of a conviction, I would be interested in potentially supporting that being posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) R'Bonney Gabriel

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Article: R'Bonney Gabriel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ R'Bonney Gabriel, first Filipino American to win Miss USA, is crowned Miss Universe. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rbonney-gabriel-miss-usa-wins-miss-universe/
Credits:

• Nominated by СтасС (talk · give credit)

 СтасС (talk) 02:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Questions Is this ITNR? Do we normally mention the ancestry of the winner? It does seem a particularly American obsession to give everyone hyphenated labels. HiLo48 (talk) 03:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close Beauty pageants have been repeatedly and decidedly shut down at ITN, and for good reasons- they're frivolous non-news with no impact that almost nobody cares about. -- Kicking222 (talk) 04:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose – I would be interested in seeing this on ITN, but I don't believe the Miss Universe 2022 article currently goes in enough depth about the event itself. I like the #Background section and the list of the selection committee, but the rest of the #Pageant section (which might be the meat of the article?) is unsourced and fairly short. It doesn't quite feel up to par for ITN yet, as a subject that isn't in ITN/R. (I quite like the way you formatted the blurb, by the way! Though I'm not sure everyone will appreciate it) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Fairly significant, I must say. Though there have been several Filipinos and Americans who have been crowned in the past, she is the first Filipino-American to win both Miss USA and Miss Universe. However, I don't think beauty pageants – specifically the Big Four – have been featured on ITN before. Vida0007 (talk) 08:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

We should not be using the ridiculous American custom of double barreled labelling of people to declare this person to be somehow special. It doesn't happen in other countries. If I won a beauty pageant I would be the first French-Danish-Scottish English-Australian winner. Would that make me special? HiLo48 (talk) 09:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

There is a broader Americas custom here, due to colonialism. Something like "indigenous Brazilian" or "Chinese Mexican" could also be used in these manners, for example. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Kicking222. Good faith nom, but I don't think we should post beauty pageants. I also think at the very least the article should have an image of Gabriel. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Where to get the picture's Gabriel (Official potrtrait Gabriel)?--СтасС (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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(posted) Jacinda Ardern resigns

Article: Jacinda Ardern (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern to resign, calling a general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Jacinda Ardern (pictured) announces her resignation as Prime Minister of New Zealand and Leader of the New Zealand Labour Party by February 7.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Chris Hipkins (pictured) succeeds Jacinda Ardern as Prime Minister of New Zealand and Leader of the New Zealand Labour Party.
News source(s): https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-01-2023/the-beginners-guide-to-chris-hipkins-our-new-prime-minister
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I think we should post this in Feb when she does resign, but can be up for convo. Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Support - Ardern is a major world leader. Though I believe the phrasing of the blurb should be changed to the same phrasing as Boris Johnson's (which was posted both as he announced his resignation and when he actually resigned): "Jacinda Ardern announces her resignation as Leader of the New Zealand Labour Party and Prime Minister of New Zealand by February 7th". Estar8806 (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose -- wait until she actually resigns next month... or, even better, wait until her replacement is confirmed, which should also be next month. No need to post two blurbs about the same event. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

SupportI think this would be worth covering in "In the news" given that Ardern has cultivated a substantial international profile as a result of the Christchurch mosque shooting and her Government's response to the COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand. Agree with Estar8808's wording. Could wait until the actual resignation. Andykatib 01:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support - I would also suggest using an image, such as this FP. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 01:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support but wait Okay with posting per ITNR but wait until she actually resigns XxLuckyCxX (talk) 01:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for her successor to be elected, which should be "in three days' time" according to NYT. The election of the new Labour leader and thus the new PM would be INTR. rawmustard (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support - This announcement is obviously In The News today, in many countries already. That's what this page is about. And let's not get too excited about the calling of the election. New Zealand has maximum terms of three years for its parliament. The previous election was on 17 October 2020. So 14 October 2023 is actually the latest an election can be held. (It must be on a Saturday.) Circumstances could still lead to the government calling an earlier one. HiLo48 (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, technically the latest it could be held is on January 13, 2024. But your broader point still stands. Endwise (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I should comment on that. I moved the election article from Next New Zealand general election to 2023 New Zealand general election just the other day as there were enough reliable sources for a 2023 election. And whilst it is correct that an early January 2024 election is theoretically possible, this was never going to happen as the country basically shuts down for 2 weeks on 24 December of each year. Hence, calling an October 2023 election is no surprise and it had been known for a while that the election date would be announced while the Labour recess (where the resignation announcement was made) was happening. Schwede66 03:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, from what I read it was looking like sometime in September/October/November already, so no surprise. Endwise (talk) 04:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

And having now listened to her resignation speech, I can report that caucus will vote on Sunday. If somebody gets 2/3 of the votes, that person will become party leader and thus the new prime minister. Once that person is confirmed, Ardern will resign her PM role pronto. I'd say the chances of somebody getting that much support is realistic, so this might all be sorted this Sunday. Schwede66 04:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait She is still the PM. When she actually stands down and a successor takes office is when we should post. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I am curious about your logic. This is obviously In The News right now, in many media outlets all over the world. We come here to nominate items that are In The News. This is in the news now. Please don't just repeat what you already said. Explain how we can ignore the fact that it's in the news now! HiLo48 (talk) 02:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

We are not a news ticker. We don't post announcements, even widely reported announcements. For the same reason we don't post retirements. Nothing has actually happened yet. When it does, we will post it, assuming article quality is up to scratch. Normal procedure here is that we post transitions, except in elections when we post those results. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

That means we're not really meant to discuss what's In The News now. Right? Maybe we should change the name. HiLo48 (talk) 02:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

WT:ITN is that way. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It will also be in the news then. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

So we ignore the fact that it's in the news now? HiLo48 (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

We can ignore the fact that it's In the News for the same reason that we ignored the post about McCarthy's speakership, even though that was also In The News. We can wait until she officially resigns. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Comparing this to McCarthy is apples and oranges - McCarthy isn't a head of government, and the public event - the general election - which led to the ballot on his speakership had already happened, and been posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It was posted & then pulled due to article quality issues. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The House election was, but McCarthy's election bid was never posted. It's a moot point now (using "moot" in the American way), because the new leader to replace Ardern has been announced. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for new leader, then the blurb can say Jacinda Ardern resigns and X takes over as new leader of the NZ Labour Party. I also oppose the proposed blurb mentioning the general election; the election would've been held at about this time regardless, all this does is confirm the specific date as October 14, which is not internationally newsworthy. For context, general elections in New Zealand have to be held at most every (roughly) 3 years, and the last one was on October 17, 2020, meaning it would've probably been held sometime in September to November-ish if there wasn't a snap election. (edit conflict) Endwise (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but wait Unlike the Boris Johnson and Liz Truss cases, which elected their replacements within days, this one should be brought up again closer to February 7th, which would then likely get approved. TheCorriynial (talk) 03:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  @TheCorriynial Boris Johnson's succesor (Truss) was not elected within days but actually over the course of two months. He resigned on July 7, and Truss was declared the winner of the contest on September 5. Johnson's resignation announcement was still blurbed. Estar8806 (talk) 03:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, it was, and it should not have been. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for the new leader. Caucus is having a vote this weekend; this might sort itself out with that vote. Schwede66 03:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support but Wait as per said by @User:TheCorriynial Vriend1917 (talk) 05:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until the party leadership vote this weekend. Otherwise, support. Vida0007 (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to support per Nableezy and Patar knight's points below. The leadership election might be longer than expected – no one (as of this writing) has been confirmed to stand (although there have already been several others who have publicly declined to join the leadership race). Vida0007 (talk) 05:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose We can wait for when her successor takes office. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. We posted Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, no reason not to also post this one, unless we're asserting that some countries are more "important" than others and therefore refusing to take a WP:WORLDWIDE view on this. And post immediately (once quality is assured) - this is in the news now, suggesting we wait is absurd. If a successor is chosen quickly, we can simply amend the blurb; otherwise we can do what we did with Boris and Liz's successors and post that separately at the time.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - immediately, we posted each of the British PM's resignations when they were announced, not when they took effect. And unlike the British PMs, the PM resigning in New Zealand is non-routine and out of the ordinary. nableezy - 08:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Such resignations ahead of elections seem fairly normal in NZ. Geoffrey Palmer, Jim Bolger and John Key all resigned in a similar way. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:50, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't know how many times it has to be said that resignations are not ITNR, but the appointment of the successor. It was already warned that including the resignation of Johnson and Truss was a dangerous precedent. Time to stop that drift. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Which part of In the news doesn't make sense to you? This obsession with attempting to be "logical" about when we post stories, and fitting everything into neat ITN/R shaped boxes, is WP:Wikilawyering at its finest and does a disservice to our readers. And dangerous? Exaggeration much. This is a headline story and it's in the news now, not at some unspecified point in the future.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Main Page is not a news journal. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  No, but "In The News" publishes topics in the news. More is better than less. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support There was a similar changing of the guard in 2016. We posted on 6 December when John Key announced his resignation and then again on the 15th when Bill English took over. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support, but wait - Per above. Definitely notable, but wait until she is no longer PM PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The election was already scheduled, she didn't call it. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  That's an uninformed comment. The election has to happen every three years or thereabouts, but it is the PM's job to set the specific date. Schwede66 20:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Weak wait - It isn't that the UK is "more important" than NZ, but pre-election resignations are not so uncommon in New Zealand. Post when a successor is chosen/takes over. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - We don't need to argue that she's a 'major world leader'; changes of heads of national government are ITN/R. But as with Liz Truss (but not Boris Johnson) we should post the resignation now, and update the blurb once her replacement is chosen, as the timescale is short. No need to re-promote the story separately at that point - just update the then-existing blurb. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support NOW!!! - This is in the news now. The selection of a leader, however much it might be within our guidelines to favor, is nowhere near as newsworthy as the resignation itself. We already look a bit silly debating the minutia when this is already front page headlines. Consider how the presses stopped when U.S. President Lyndon Johnson announced in 1968 that he wouldn't seek re-election.

Then again, Johnson's resignation was wayyyyy before either of the Democratic or Republican candidates had been chosen. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment I would also point out that Ardern has been referred to as a celebrity politician. Her resignation is being covered substantially in the news. Estar8806 (talk) 01:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Johnson didn't resign; he just simply chose not to run for that cycle yet still served out his term to its conclusion.

rawmustard (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I used the wrong words. I meant Johnson not announcing his reelection bid. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Pshaw... One should never let the facts get in the way of a good bout of indignation. --Jayron32 16:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - The World Darts Championship is still in the ITN box. That event ran from December 15th to January 3rd. We have two-week old news in the box and yet we are apparently beside ourselves at the prospect of posting today's news.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Article is in good shape, but I think we should wait and post it as a combined blurb once her successor is known. Makes more sense to me to do it that way. --Jayron32 15:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait - The leadership election is only 3 days away, so I think this can wait. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support now - this is in the news now. I don't understand why some create these little rules like, "only when there's a successor". WP:ITN says what the purpose of ITN is, and it's to help readers find articles that are in the news. Waiting defeats the purpose. If there is an update in the story while the blurb is posted -- like a successor being elected -- we just update the blurb, and continue to fulfill the stated, consensus purpose of ITN. Levivich (talk) 16:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  ITN prioritizes quality over quantity, or speed in this case. We know her replacement is to be named within a day or so, and this event will still be in the news when that happens. The article will be of better quality once we can write about the replacement. If it were a month off, then posting now makes sense, but not in the current situation Masem (t) 16:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  I love it when you tell me how ITN works :-) Levivich (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, Levivich, I see you added a little emphasis to the word "now". Unfortunately, you should have put it in all caps and added a minimum of three exclamation points. That's the minimum amount of emphasis to grant your vote extra weight. Since you didn't do that, unfortunately, your opinion counts the same amount as other people's. If you had put those extra exclamation points in, I'm sure an admin would have ignored all of the rest of the comments in the thread and immediately done your bidding. Ah, well, live and learn. Next time I'm sure you'll remember. --Jayron32 16:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  He can always strike out the now and append the "NOW!!!" after it. That carries the extra benefit of it looking like there's two "now"s which might subliminally influence the majority of posting admins that count nows versus waits. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Well, it didn't work for you. Have you thought of trying a fourth exclamation point? Can't hurt... --Jayron32 16:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Not now. Maybe later. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Support NOW! Levivich (talk) 17:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Support when? 174.113.161.1 (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  When is NOW! for those of us living in the Eastern American time zone? -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  It's 6:45p.m. Levivich (talk) 23:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• This is getting silly. Looking at the discussion, it seems we have a rather decent consensus to wait a couple of days and post a combo blurb with the successor. MayI close this now? --Tone 17:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Hat the silly, but leave the discussion open. If ITN can wait three days to post this, then there is no rush to close the discussion about it. Levivich (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, don't close the discussion. Most of what is said here will be relevant once a successor is named. --Jayron32 17:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. When her replacement takes office it will merit posting per ITN/R, but that item can be combined with this into a new blurb; we wouldn't need to post two separate stories. This is in the news now, I don't see a strong reason to wait. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Wait til 7 February, her expected date of resignation, then put in the news. Trillfendi (talk) 17:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support I think it makes more sense to post now, and then update the blurb with her successor.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This isn't a resignation, this is an announcement that she will resign in the future - we don't post people announcing their intention to do something in the future, we post when they actually do the thing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  We did exactly that with Johnson and with Truss and May, all of whom stayed on until their replacement was selected. Yet we posted all nearly immediately upon being announced. nableezy - 18:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Johnson and Truss are not directly comparable given that it was a major escalation of an ongoing political scandal that was borderline blurbable in itself (I think I was arguing for it to be added to ongoing shortly before Truss threw the towel in). Posting May before she actually resigned was definitely wrong for the reasons posting this now would be wrong - we should not post intentions to do things, we should only post the actual doing of things. Thryduulf (talk) 23:57, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  We should be posting to In the news when it is in the news. nableezy - 16:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  For a major full-time position like this, resignation is a process, not a instantaneous event. The process has been initiated and will take some time to complete but it seems reasonably irrevocable. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  "The process has been initiated" the same is true when people are arrested or charged or trials begin but we wait until the conclusion to post. Elections are more than just "seemingly reasonably irrevocable" when they begin but again we don't post even when polls open. We didn't post the abdication of the Dutch monarch when they announced a few months in advance they intended to do so, even though carrying through with it was equally reasonably irrevocable. Thryduulf (talk) 00:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support posting now per the Key/English, Johnson/Truss, Truss/Sunak examples. This is in the news now. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:53, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Lots of things are in the news now that we don't post. McCarthy's contested speakership, for example. Or the announcement that the US House was captured by Republicans... I'm tired of the double standard here. It was wrong to post Johnson/Truss' announcement to resign, let's not make the same mistake here. We can wait three days. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  The difference between McCarthy and these isn’t a “double standard” with the US or anything. McCarthy’s simply not the head of government, Ardern/Truss/Sunak/Johnson are. That’s what makes this notable. The Kip (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  The US has three co-equal branches of government, so he's a head of government. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think that's right. Levivich (talk) 23:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  In honestly, it depends on what you consider a "government". People more familiar with the Parliamentary system might argue that the "government" of the US is only the executive branch. Actually, someone made such an argument on ITN a while back. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  In terms of defining "government" in "head of government", the orthodox definition, except in semi-presidential republics and more autocratic forms of government refers to the executive branch. So while it's totally fair - at least casually - to say McCarthy is part of government, he's not a "head of government".-- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  My reference to it being in the news now is not about a threshold for posting any item, but about the best time for this particular item to be posted to help readers. This story will eventually get posted as part of an ITN/R story, unlike McCarthy. Johnson and Truss was posted, and I would bet that if Biden announced that he would be resigning in a month, that would get posted at the time of announcement as well. Also, looking at 2023 New Zealand Labour Party leadership election, it's also uncertain if January 22 will provide a name, since there might not be a consensus pick in caucus. If so, it would take even longer for a successor to be chosen. There's no harm in posting a blurb now, when it is in the news, and updating/reblurbing whenever a successor is chosen. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per precedence from the UK PMs. The Kip (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support When a leader resigns, it is usually posted. However, since she has not resigned yet, we need to Wait until she resigns. TomMasterReal^TALK 00:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait and see whether the new leader recognizes the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny as essential workers. Even if he doesn't, that's cool. Or if she doesn't. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. We can post when something actually happens instead of just an announcement. The fact that we posted prematurely before doesn't mean we should do it now. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support posting it now. Didn't we post the same news for Johnson? Anarchyte (talk) 09:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Just as a point of order, just because something wrong was done in the past, doesn't mean we are bound to do that same wrong thing forever... --Jayron32 12:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Consensus sometimes gets it wrong, but we still abide by consensus. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:27, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  That's fair enough, but probably something that should be discussed on the talk page, rather than sporadically whenever someone resigns. Anarchyte (talk) 10:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Why not put the resignation announcement up today and then post the results of the new leader elected by the labour party caucus in a few days when they finish voting. Flyingfishee (talk) 15:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Makes more sense to post this when Ardern's replacement is chosen. Her resignation is, in theory, just as significant as the choosing of her replacement and both events will be in the news when the replacement is chosen. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  You just gave a damn compelling reason as to why we should post this event now and update the blurb later once we get news of her replacement. So it's a bit strange that you voted "oppose". 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 21:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Well, I'm about to post this; just awaiting media protection. The Labour caucus was disciplined enough that there was just one candidate be put forward by 9am local time this morning and that seals the deal; we have a new prime minister. I've put Altblurb2 into the box; change it to whatever is better. I'll be offline for a few hours shortly. Schwede66 21:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Good call, this was the time to post. As a side note, I usually leave the previous image in the box if the blurb is still there, until the new image is ready. Tone 21:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment he's not prime minister yet though? -- AxG / ✉  21:46, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Good spot, I changed to "is chosen to succeed". Tone 21:50, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Can we have 'Jacinda Ardern (pictured) announces her resignation as Prime Minister of New Zealand and leader of the New Zealand Labour Party, and Chris Hipkins is selected to succeed her' until the handover, and 'Chris Hipkins (pictured) succeeds Jacinda Ardern as Prime Minister of New Zealand and leader of the New Zealand Labour Party following her resignation' afterwards? GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - One problem with waiting to post this and posting about the choice of successor instead of the resignation, is that the story that's in the news isn't that Chris Hipkins succeeded Jacinda Ardern, it's that Jacinda Ardern resigned. Ardern was the world's youngest female head of state, only the second elected head of government in the world to give birth while in office, and only the third female PM of NZ. What makes this story significant isn't that it's just a change in PM, it's that this PM resigned. And now, instead of a blurb about a woman of historical significance resigning, with a picture of a woman, we have a blurb about a man succeeding her, with a picture of a man. Friends, this is how systemic bias happens. Nobody here intended to let the story about a man overshadow the actually-more-important story about a woman, but it is the result. Levivich (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• I'm not sure that I agree. The story is that the head of government of NZ is being replaced. Full stop. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It can be framed as Jacinda Ardern will resign and be succeeded by Chris Hipkins. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think that would be better. Levivich (talk) 00:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

At the risk of turning babyface on you, pal, I like things just the way they are. Back in the day, when resignation was all the rage, it made sense to focus on the loss because we didn't know the winner. If you check the news again and ignore the past, you'll see her apparent successor has apparently succeeded her in popularity. That's fleeting popularity, of course. Time will tell who history remembers in the '30s and/or '40s. But for now, it's Hipkins' party, superficially. So wake up or start eating that trash can! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait/Oppose for now until successor is in office.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 23:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Agree with posting now that we have a successor. It won't be ITN when the transfer actually happens. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment It seems like a picture of Ardern would be more appropriate. Her resignation seems to be the main reason it’s in the news. The resignation of a prime minister from New Zealand usually wouldn’t get this much attention. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Shouldn't we mention why there's a swap of prime ministers in the first place, i.e. say that Ardern is resigning? Endwise (talk) 02:10, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Could Ms Ardern please be allowed to be the focus of the story for at least a day? I proposed a possible pair of blurbs above. Our 'wait for the replacement' approach has meant that she barely appears in a story that she initiated. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• The last thing we need is *two* blurbs referring to the same event. I'd rather just one extra-long blurb in that case. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 09:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

If you look at my post above, you will see that I proposed two blurbs to run consecutively, not concurrently, with appropriate photo cues. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Come on, folks. Wikipedia already has a systemic bias problem. Is it that severe of a suspension of disbelief to have the focus be on the former PM for a short period of time? It's bad enough we waited this long just to post the story in the first place. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment If the item had been posted before nominations for the leadership had closed, then a photo of Ardern would have been appropriate. But now that Hipkins is almost certain to become the leader, his photo is more appropriate. The fact that Ardern is a woman and Hipkins is a man is irrelevant. The fact that more people know Ardern (especially readers outside of New Zealand) than Hipkins is also irrelevant. Ardern's perceived celebrity is also irrelevant. As stated by Rockstone35 above, "The story is that the head of government of NZ is being replaced". Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs. Chrisclear (talk) 18:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thinking that this story is about a change in the head of government of a country is the bias. Not recognizing that this story is about the resignation of a female PM is the bias. Treating this PM resignation like any other PM resignation is the bias. Look at how reliable sources cover this:

  BBC:

  Jacinda Ardern resigns: Departure reveals unique pressures on PM

  For millions around the world, Jacinda Ardern's resignation comes as a shock - but some women will pore over her words with particular interest.

  With her charm and leadership philosophy rooted in kindness, the New Zealand prime minister has earned widespread popularity. Many of her fans are women, who have avidly followed her journey from newbie PM to working mother and have looked up to her as a role model.

  Ardern is not the only prominent figure to make the news in recent years for announcing a shock withdrawal because of burnout - others include athletes Naomi Osaka, Ash Barty and Virat Kohli; and bosses like James Packer.

  But Ardern also holds that very rare position of being a working mother while leading a country. She gave birth while in office, only the second world leader to have done so after Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto.

  NPR: ...announced her intent to step down in a shock move that rocked the country's political landscape.

  Reuters: Ardern's resignation resonates for women in power

  Fortune: Jacinda Ardern’s resignation says 5 things about women in power, according to a scholar who studies women in politics

  Indian Express (op-ed): Priyanka Chaturvedi writes: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern’s resignation spotlights the hard choices that women in politics often face

  Stuff NZ (op-ed): Shame on our misogyny: It's no wonder Jacinda Ardern was driven from office

  The Age: New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has stunned the world by announcing she will step down as leader within weeks and will not contest the upcoming election

  NYTimes (op-ed): Jacinda Ardern, the New Zealand prime minister, shocked nearly everyone by announcing this week that she would resign...Watching her speech I was struck by how Ardern has had to navigate the complicated gendered expectations that often create barriers to women’s success.

  All over the world, people are saying that (1) the resignation was shocking, and thus a news story, and (2) the story is about women in power. It's not just "NZ changes PMs", and viewing it that way, is biased. Meanwhile, Wikipedia's summary? "Chris Hipkins is chosen..." Levivich (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Why you believe that the "story is about women in power"? Is this true for every situation in which a female head of government resigns? Chrisclear (talk) 20:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Because it is about a woman in power (and because, as per all those sources, the rest of the world sees it that way, too), and yes, it is true for every situation in which a female head of government resigns, which is extremely rare, because it's extremely rare to have a female head of government. Failure to appreciate this aspect is an example of systemic bias. The failure to perceive that gender matters here is due to systemic bias, pro-male bias, the viewpoint that a female PM resigning is no different than a male PM resigning. That's the bias. Levivich (talk) 20:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  You're not really doing women any favors by highlighting Ardern's gender, one would assume most members of the "fairer sex" are less enthusiastic to be linked to a prominent example of a person being elevated to a position they weren't qualified for, on the basis of their age and gender, and who, in office, demonstrated that they weren't up to the (admittedly daunting) task. Danthemankhan 00:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  I sympathise where Levivich is coming from. Yes, it looks like systemic bias. However, it's too big an issue to sort out in an ITN nomination discussion. The reason we've done what we've done is that we don't usually post about resignations; we post about succession instead. I agree that Ardern was a prominent enough figure that a resignation posting would have been appropriate (which, by now, we would have updated to what the blurb currently says, though). Reading the room, I don't think such a proposal would have ever flown given how these discussions usually go. If we wanted to change that, it would be good to have a generic discussion, for example on the talk page, how we want to identify what makes a resignation ITN worthy. In my view, being a significant female world leader would be a strong argument that should be put forward in such a discussion. Schwede66 01:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  It is why the ITNR is spelled out as "changes to" and why we should have waited until we could have a blurb that said Ardern resigned and was replaced by Hipkins. Which we knew was likely within 3-4 days of the announcement of the resignation (which was not happening itself for several weeks). We would have had one simple blurb that would have been neutral and done all parties justice, while the switchover was still in the news (maybe not the above-the-fold news, but in the news nevertheless). Too many editors in ITNC now are looking for instant gratification of news stories when as an encyclopedia we look to the long-term. If one wants to write to the moment, Wikinews is better suited for that, we want to make sure that the appropriate articles are all updated as well as what we present on the front page. Masem (t) 01:15, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  Dan, that's extremely strong (and very weird) opinions about a NZ politican from an Tennessean. I understand your interests include "the female sex", as per your userpage, but please try to keep this strange soapboxing a to minimum on project pages like this. Parabolist (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Update Just a couple of comments on what's happening:

• The Labour caucus started meeting at 1pm NZ time (100 minutes ago) and media report they heard loud cheering and clapping coming from that room, interpreting this as Hipkins having been formally confirmed as Labour leader (and TBH, anything else would be hugely unexpected). There's a press conference scheduled for 3pm when we'll learn about this officially.
• Secondly, a lot of media (especially international media) are reporting that Ardern will "resign on 7 Feb". That is a clear misunderstanding; what she said during her resignation speech is that she'll resign by 7 Feb at the latest. That allowed for the case that the caucus couldn't agree on a leader and the then-required process of organising an electoral college would have taken a good couple of weeks. My expectation (the media hasn't reported this; it's my best guess) is that with Hipkins now having (supposedly) been confirmed, they'll go to see the governor-general tomorrow (Monday) and that'll be the formal changeover of the prime ministership. Thus, my hunch is that 23 January will be the date when the formal changeover occurs. Schwede66 00:52, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

"Hipkins will be formally sworn in as prime minister on Wednesday" Ok, I was out by two days. Schwede66 02:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment A better way to stick it to the white man (so to speak) might be to work future deputy prime minister Carmel Sepuloni into the picture. She's not only a winner, but a woman and a Tongan. The very first Tongan MP in New Zealand, I'll add, as well as only the third Tongan I recall becoming globally famous at all, after The Faces of Fear. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

January 18

Portal:Current events/2023 January 18

January 18, 2023 (2023-01-18) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine During a visit to Kyiv, Canadian National Defence Minister Anita Anand announces that Canada will send 200 Roshel Senator armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine. (CBC News) Spillover of the Somali Civil War Ten Al-Shabaab militants are killed during a raid by security forces in the village of Galmagala, Garissa County, Kenya, after the group killed five civilians in the region last week. Rocket-propelled grenades and improvised explosive devices are recovered. (Al Jazeera) Ituri conflict The United Nations reports the discovery of mass graves in Ituri Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo, containing the bodies of 49 civilians. CODECO militants are suspected of being behind the killings. (AP) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge 2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis Despite a slight decrease in overall inflation at the end of last year, food prices in the United Kingdom increased by 16.9% in the twelve months to December, the highest rate since September 1977, according to the Office for National Statistics. (Evening Standard) Microsoft announces that it will cut 10,000 jobs, around 5% of its global workforce, amid a slowdown in consumer spending. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2023 Brovary helicopter crash Fourteen people are killed and 25 others are injured in a helicopter crash in Brovary, Kyiv Oblast, Ukraine. Interior minister Denys Monastyrsky, deputy minister of internal affairs Yevhen Yenin, and state secretary of internal affairs Yurii Lubkovych are among those killed. (Al Jazeera) List of earthquakes in 2023 At least 150 people are injured by a magnitude 5.8 earthquake in Khoy, Khoy County, West Azerbaijan, Iran. (MehrNews) At least 70 people and 70,000 cattle are killed due to freezing temperatures across Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Stop Cop City A protester is killed and a Georgia State Patrol trooper is injured after they exchange fire during a clearing operation against demonstrators attempting to prevent the construction of a police training facility at a forest in Atlanta, Georgia, United States. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) The Court of Tax Appeals of the Philippines acquits journalist Maria Ressa and her online news website Rappler of charges of tax evasion filed against them by the government in 2018. (AFP via RFI) Politics and elections 2023 Antiguan general election Citizens in Antigua and Barbuda head to the polls to elect members of the House of Representatives. (Jamaica Gleaner) 2023 Brazilian Congress attack President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva dismisses 13 more military personnel from the presidential cabinet whom he blames for the January 8 attack in Brasília. (Reuters)

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(Posted) 2023 Antiguan general election

Article: 2023 Antiguan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2023 Antiguan general election, the Labour Party (leader Gaston Browne pictured) retains its majority in the House of Representatives (Post)
News source(s): Loop News, Antigua Observer
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 --Vacant0 (talk) 10:41, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support - This is ITN/R, isn't it? Article is of great quality. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Support as said above Vriend1917 (talk) 12:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - ITN/R and a decent article. Good enough for me! The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is ITN/R and is in mostly good quality. The Aftermath needs improvement, but it seems fine for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 13:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support as described above. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose A relevant prose summary of the results is a minimum quality standard for election results. So far, all we have is data in tables. --Jayron32 16:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - the amount of prose looks fine to me; even if it had less prose, I would support; data in tables is useful information to the reader, it doesn't help further ITN's purpose (helping readers find articles they're looking for because they're in the news) to require a certain amount of prose. Levivich (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. There is room for expansion but the article meets the standards for posting. --Tone 16:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• I was surprised to see this blurb added. Antigua has a population of 100K. Yes, it's technically a country, but in what sense would we consider this item to be "in the news"? I sought out this discussion and the new sources referenced here are local news-type stories. A quick search of Google News doesn't show other major news outlets covering this story. Reuters did pick it up at <https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/antigua-and-barbuda-pm-browne-secures-third-term-in-general-elections>, so I can't say that even the wire services ignored it, but this is a strange addition for sure. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Recurrent items don't need to be in the news. They're like recent deaths. If there's an article, the only next step is to tidy it. Unless it's one of the unbold ones. Then it's ready for the main page already. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

The newsworthiness of a country is not solely a function of its size or population, and one of the functions of the inclusion of certain political events in ITN/R is to counter our systemic bias in favour of large, white-majority, anglophone countries. And you can bet that major news outlets in Antigua are covering it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:49, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

If it is ITN/R, significance is assumed. It is In The News in Antigua, but not in other places - just like a lot of the stuff we post. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 10:40, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

We posted the elections in Nauru, population 10,000. This topic is ITN/R, we post all election of this kind (assuming quality is up to par), no matter if it's the United States or San Marino. Curbon7 (talk) 16:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

There's an argument to be had that the political situations in larger countries are more notable than smaller countries, since more people live there. However, there's really no way to do that fairly. ITN/R is clear: as long as country is sovereign in the Westphalian sense, changes in head of government are inherently notable. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:14, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Gary Smith (record producer)

Article: Gary Smith (record producer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Brooklyn Vegan, Legacy.com
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American record producer and band manager. Death announced 18 January. Thriley (talk) 03:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not ready - The article needs expansion, and inline citations. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment, Article does not have enough information. Alex-h (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

(Removed) Ongoing Removal: Mahsa Amini protests

Article: Mahsa Amini protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last time the timeline article was updated with a protest in Iran was on the 9th of January. I think we should start to consider if this qualifies as ongoing anymore. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Remove Last significant updates to article cover events that happened 9 January, over a week ago. Not really receiving enough significant new information to qualify as ongoing. --Jayron32 19:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove per above. It's time. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove Seems now mostly focused on resulting criminal procedures and executions, not the protests themselves. Kafoxe (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove As per above, coverage has mostly faded and updates are fairly low. JumbledPasta (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove because a) coverage has largely faded into the background, and b) the updates to the article are not frequent and/or sufficient enough to merit continued inclusion. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 02:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak remove – There have been two nice expansions in the past ten days, but new developments in the protests themselves don't seem to be happening anymore, and the Jan 6 and 9 dates are all about number totals. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:27, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support removal per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Remove - per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Remove per above.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 21:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Marking as ready to remove, consensus is firmly in favor of removal. The Kip (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Removed Stephen 00:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think if the protests ramp up again, we can put it back. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 Kyiv helicopter crash

Article: 2023 Brovary helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fourteen people are killed, including the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, in a helicopter crash near Kyiv. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A helicopter crashes near Kyiv, killing fourteen people, including the Ukrainian Interior Minister Denys Monastyrsky
Alternative blurb II: ​ 14 people, including Ukraine Interior Minister Denys Monastyrsky, are killed in a helicopter crash near Kyiv.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Interior Minister of Ukraine Denys Monastyrsky and 14 other people die when a helicopter crashed into a kindergarden near Kyiv, Ukraine
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64315594
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
• Updated by YD407OTZ (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: While some might argue this is covered in ongoing, the fact that eighteen people have died, including many top-ranking Ukrainian officials, is enough to make this notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support once the article is developed, and name-check Denys Monastyrsky in the blurb, thereby taking account of the nomination below as well. Major news. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Death of a high ranking government official. It's unclear right now if this was directly related to the war; it was foggy and there is little to no electricity to light buildings for a helicopter to see. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if it should be clarified in the blurb that nine of the deaths were on the ground(per the BBC). 331dot (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Alt2, the high profile nature of the victims is noteable in and of itself, regardless of the circumstances of the crash.✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  11:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - notable death. Notable incident. Needs some expansion, but this highly publicized will lead to expansion.BabbaQ (talk) 11:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle With a focus on Monastyrsky. However, the article is a stub at the moment. Curbon7 (talk) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support once expanded - Notable but not enough quality. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt2 once it's expanded to sufficient quality. Anarchyte (talk) 12:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. There's a war going on, and unfortunately people die during wars. The loss of a helicopter is a roughly weekly occurrence in Ukraine these days, and we wouldn't blurb the death of an equivalent minister in other countries. The war is already covered in ongoing and the article is a 3-sentence stub with barely any more information than is in the blurb. Monastyrsky's article isn't much better. Unless Zelenskyy or Putin are killed, I don't think any individual casualties of this war would justify a personal blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 12:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  regardless of the war happening or not, cause is not attributed to the war at this time, and the dead are not combatants of the war or on the front line. Having the leadership of any major government department all die in the same accident is blurb worthy imo... I think it's wrong to write this off as "of course people die in war". ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  12:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  Eighteen people died, we've posted tragedies of similar scale before. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  It also doesn't look like this was related to the war, so I wouldn't say this falls under ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:28, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  As for the moment it doesn’t appear to have been anything combat-related, so I don’t believe it makes sense to file it under the ongoing item. The Kip (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now for quality reasons. Article is WAY too short for posting on the main page; it contains scantly more information than the blurb would. Ping me once it is expanded for a re-evaluation. At this time, it is NOT main page ready. --Jayron32 12:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changing to Support Article is still short (so PLEASE keep expanding it!) but it has grown to where it has enough additional information to be worth directing readers to. --Jayron32 16:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait on quality, Support on principle the current crash article is indeed too short. Principle-wise, though, while Ukraine is in a state of war this crash appears mostly unrelated (no claims from either side that Russia had caused it to crash). Juxlos (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - article needs decent structure, like the Yeti Airlines article has. Significant enough to feature, but this needs to be addressed first. Mjroots (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support once expanded - I support it because a high ranking official died, but article is too short 𝐹𝒾𝓇𝑒 𝒰𝓃𝒾𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓈𝑒 (talk) 13:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt2 once expanded. This crash gives the Smolensk air disaster vibe, which is also posted to ITN once that article has expanded. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support notable incident, the death of multiple high-ranking officials in Ukraine is notable. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment, but I'm going to say again that the specific use of 'notable' in WP:GNG means that it's not a term which will carry much weight in arguing for things to be promoted to the home page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt2 once expanded notable, but needs expansion. Tails Wx 14:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Support at2 This article includes the death of an important person, although the quality could be improved. Vriend1917 (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - government minister dies in office seems blurbable to me, especially as unrelated to the war covered in ongoing, but even then wouldnt be opposed to a blurb here if it was related. nableezy - 18:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose solely on article quality. It's a six-sentence stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Woo hoo! It's now a seven-sentence stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Eleven now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt2 or 3 Cabinet ministers don't die that often. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. A dozen or so people dying at the same time is not notable, but the sudden death of a cabinet minister of a country engaged in the world's largest ongoing war definitely is. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support once article is expanded. This would be posted if it occurred in any country not at war, and since this incident is not directly related to the war in Ukraine, it is not covered in ongoing. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality for now. Unless the article has been expanded, I do not see this getting blurbed. However, I could support the inclusion of Monastyrsky's article to the RD section, as that looks to be well-cited (although personally I still find it a bit short). Vida0007 (talk) 05:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Support now, as it looks like this is already good enough to be posted, although I still find it somewhat short, just like Monastyrsky's article. Speaking of Monastyrsky, his article is about to be bumped out of the RD section too (unless nothing gets approved in the coming days); I think it would be better to blurb this helicopter crash once his article is no longer on the RD. Vida0007 (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Notable event, death toll in double digits. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:00, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose – Article is very stubby. The quality is good for its length, but there's not much here. This is not a great representation of Wikipedia's ability to describe recent events. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Support – I believe it has moved into pretty acceptable length for ITN blurbing, nice work :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support will have more impact than that plane crash in Nepal. --Synotia (talk) 08:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not a competition. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support: Tragic, and major impact on politics. Mikael Häggström (talk) 15:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Obviously notable, death of high ranking officials. Alex-h (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Pretty significant for Ukrainian politics, and comparing it to the Nepal airline crash article, it stacks up pretty alright. Not Wikipedia's best work, for sure, but I think it's acceptable enough to go on the main page. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - it's short but I don't see that as being low quality. Levivich (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I expanded the article with details about the aircraft involved, passengers and crew. I also added a picture of the actual helicopter from 2020, which was originally published by Ukraine's Interior Ministry: [3]. I believe this doesn't present a copyright issue, as it is from an official government source, but I'm not fully sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YD407OTZ (talk • contribs)

  YD407OTZ, the image appears to have been licensed properly, so i don't think there is a copyright issue. however, your upload appears to be a duplicate of a file that already exists on commons, here, which was uploaded at a higher quality. it may be better to simply use that file instead and request that the duplicate be deleted. dying (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you, you're right. I searched for "Airbus H225" on Commons before uploading, so that's why I didn't find it. I updated the article to link to the higher quality file and requested deletion for mine. YD407OTZ (talk) 04:28, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  no worries, YD407OTZ. i also sometimes fail to find pictures on commons, only to realize later that there was an obvious query that i had overlooked. in this case, i happened to be aware of the previously uploaded photo simply because i had seen it used in the uk wikipedia article, and had been thinking of adding it to the en wikipedia article myself. dying (talk) 10:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Article is a bit short but it looks good enough to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - on the short side, but no stub. Looks good to go now.BabbaQ (talk) 00:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - it's been three days, and the article's been good for a while. Can we post this, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 09:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Denys Monastyrsky

Article: Denys Monastyrsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Anarchyte (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 82.0.194.242 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Haven't looked in depth, but looks fine at a surface level. Could see the helicopter crash being blurbed (16 dead / 10 injured) as an alternative, if an article appears. Anarchyte (talk) 08:53, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

There is an article already, but in its current state (a stub) I doubt it is up to ITN standards yet. My personal opinion would be to support on the notability basis, but I say we should wait for the article to be developed more before posting. SBS6577P (talk) 09:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I've already nominated this story for a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

SNOW close - There is a discussion on a blurb just above. If that fails, and it probably won't, we can talk about RD. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Interesting interpretation of snow, however I agree that if the blurb above is posted, this can be closed. Anarchyte (talk) 12:31, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I already called for this move in my response above, but this isn't what WP:SNOW is for, IMHO. Until the proposed blurb above is posted, I think it may be helpful for this proposal to exist as an alternate. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, is it convention that if someone's death was made a blurb, they aren't listed in RD? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe so, but I don't know where it's spelled out, if anywhere, and would welcome a reference if anyone has one. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - This should be added to RD, and pulled if mentioned in the blurb on the helicopter crash if that gets posted. Article is in fair shape. Mjroots (talk) 13:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose article should be merged with the article 2023 Kyiv helicopter crash above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

A cabinet minister in one of the largest countries in Europe is not only notable for his death. I oppose this merge proposal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Editor 5426387: article talk pages are the correct venue for merge discussions. Mjroots (talk) 14:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support The blurb on the crash may or may not get posted, but the RD appears to be in good shape. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is minimally adequate for RD. Marking as ready. Given the crash nomination above is nowhere near adequate for posting, I suggest we go with this for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Whilst I strongly feel the crash should be posted, I agree that this RD posting should go up for the meantime. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support Article suffers from WP:PROSELINE, but fine enough for our purposes. Remove once the blurb is posted. Curbon7 (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 18:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

January 17

Portal:Current events/2023 January 17

January 17, 2023 (2023-01-17) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War Seven soldiers, including a commander, are killed when al-Shabaab jihadists attack a military base in Hawadley, Middle Shabelle, with a suicide car bomb and gunmen. (Reuters) Business and economy Travel during the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic The World Tourism Organization reports that the figures for international tourist arrivals worldwide had doubled in 2022 compared to the previous year, citing the easing of COVID-19 pandemic-related travel restrictions. (AFP via RFI) Disasters and accidents Bear attacks A polar bear attacks and kills a woman and her son in Wales, Alaska, United States, after charging several others, in the first fatal attack since the early 1980s. The bear is shot and killed following the attack. (CNN) (BBC News) Health and environment Aging of China The National Bureau of Statistics reports that China's population, the largest in the world, declined for the first time since 1960, with a population decrease of 850,000 people reported in the past year. (AFP via France 24) (The New York Times) French Catholic nun Lucile Randon, who had been the world's oldest verified living person since April 2022 and the fourth verified oldest woman, dies at the age of 118. (AFP via Manila Bulletin) International relations International response to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine United States and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine–United States relations Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valerii Zaluzhnyi and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States Mark Milley meet for the first time in person. (AFP) Politics and elections Nguyễn Xuân Phúc resigns as president of Vietnam, the second highest-ranked position in the country, citing responsibility for several recent scandals in the government. (VnExpress)

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(Posted) RD: Lupe Serrano

Article: Lupe Serrano (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Corachow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chilean-born principal dancer with American Ballet Theatre who "captivated" Russia Cielquiparle (talk) 08:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Appears to be very well-cited and holistic. Excellent work. Curbon7 (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support just wanted to nominate as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Death date conflict The cited NYT article says she "died on Monday in Syosset, N.Y",[4] which would be January 16, but the WP page says January 17.—Bagumba (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks @Bagumba. Fixed. Cielquiparle (talk) 00:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

  I changed the date in the body too.—Bagumba (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Chris Ford

Article: Chris Ford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Press of Atlantic City, NBA, ESPN, CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 American professional basketball player & coach. - Indefensible (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready I added 2 cn tags in the first paragraph, where the footnote did not support the entire text before it. Also, the Coaching record section is uncited. Curbon7 (talk) 13:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Source issues have been fixed. Curbon7 (talk) 17:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support The cn tags noted above have been addressed. --Jayron32 16:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Jayron32, Coaching record still uncited though. Curbon7 (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

  Nevermind, fixing it myself. Curbon7 (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Lead is too sparse. Also, it seems WP:OR that he is (only) "known for" the 1st 3-pointer, but some background is needed in the body of this (e.g. new rules, multiple games that night without exact timing) either way.—Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Strike oppose, as the lead was expanded and "known for" removed. It's not too major if the 3-pointer is only in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Muhammad Prakosa

Article: Muhammad Prakosa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former minister of agriculture and minister of forestry. Was Ambassador to Italy at the time of death. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Looks well cited. I fixed the death date (it's 2023, not 2022) e.b. (talk) 18:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited and holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 16:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - long enough. Recent death sourced.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jay Briscoe

Article: Jay Briscoe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Entertainment
Credits:

• Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Valzentia (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just had a brief look, mainly to check sourcing. There seem to be some unsourced statements here and there, but not too many. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Not yet ready, but close First half has a couple cn tags, but the second half has quite a bit more. Also, the Championships and accomplishments is partially uncited. Curbon7 (talk) 16:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Gino Landi

Article: Gino Landi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Italian Post La Republica Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Ibjaja055 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian choreographer, theater director and television director Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment At 175 words, it is very short. As a result, the article isn't very holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 16:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lucile Randon

Article: Lucile Randon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mort de la doyenne de l’humanité : la Française sœur André est décédée à 118 ans
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oldest living person following Kane Tanaka's death, Kane Tanaka was listed after her death. Also oldest living person known to have had COVID-19. TheCorriynial (talk) 21:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support She had the virus, not the disease, article looks fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support She could talk, and seemed very conscious during her last days, which is very rare for someone of her age, and especially how she lived through COVID-19. Vriend1917 (talk) 04:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  She didn't llve through COVID-19, she tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 and felt fine until she tested negative. It happens to some people. Sometimes it's down to the person's immune response, sometimes the test is wrong. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  In what sense is 'testing positive, not dying, then testing negative' not 'living through Covid'? She may have been affected by complications, but so may millions of us. We still live, until we die. (Also, what is the relevance of your comment to the progress of the nomination?) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  The D in COVID stands for disease and the A in asymptomatic stands for no such thing. The article notes no initial symptoms nor further complications, so this idea that she may have had any is baseless speculation. We know she tested positive, meaning she was likely carrying the virus that can cause COVID. Likewise, a person holding a gun or vial of poison is at risk, but nobody should say that person thus survived a shooting or poisoning. Here, two people wrote she had or lived through a disease, which is just as false. My bolded Support and "article looks fine" are relevant to posting this, the rest is just an attempt to counter COVID misinformation online. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Fourth oldest verified person ever. I think that is notable enough to get a blurb, tbh. But at the very least she should definitely be in the recent deaths section. Article looks good, well cited. e.b. (talk) 16:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Nothing wrong with the article, and the being the 4th oldest verified person ever is definitely notable enough. Ollieisanerd (talk) 21:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above, time to post. Jusdafax (talk) 05:14, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:03, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

President of Vietnam resigns

Nguyễn Xuân Phúc

Article: No article specified
Blurb: ​ Nguyễn Xuân Phúc (pictured) resigns as President of Vietnam, citing responsibility for several recent scandals in the government. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Võ Thị Ánh Xuân becomes President of Vietnam following the resignation of Nguyễn Xuân Phúc.
News source(s): VnExpress
Credits:

• Nominated by The Bestagon (talk · give credit)

 The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 13:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note that the President of Vietnam has no constitutional power, so this is NOT an ITNR. --Masem (t) 13:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose pending article fixes. Much of the article is uncited. I've added a blanket refimprove tag, but as of right now, the article is missing cites for 1) the second half of the first paragraph for the "Early Life" section 2) about two thirds of the "Political Career" section. Additionally, the political career section has major issues regarding WP:PROSELINE problems. --Jayron32 13:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Since the President of Vietnam is purely ceremonial, this really doesn't mean anything outside of Vietnam, maybe the scandals in the government but despite that, this really carries no significance. Vriend1917 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  An argument can be made that the King of the United Kingdom is ceremonial. The president is still the head of state, and that is enough to be notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Head of state of a country resigning. I think this is ITN/R, even if the president has no power. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article should be fixed before it goes on the page, though I think it should go up as soon as it's fixed. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support on principle, oppose on quality – per the above. DecafPotato (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support According to our article, the Presidency in Vietnam has considerable power on paper, comparable with the US President, but the de facto situation depends on the individual. In this case, the main story seems to be the anti-corruption drive in which this person has been caught out. It is therefore comparable with the EU corruption scandal which we blurbed recently. As the scandal related to Covid, it's also similar to the fall from grace of Boris Johnson. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  Couldn't have put it better myself PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - ITN/R level. nableezy - 20:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on article quality - Political career needs work and citations. I want to Support on notability but I don't immediately see any links to scandals he was involved in? Those should be linked in the blurb, if the blurb is to be posted. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  As best I can tell, there were no scandals. He just accepted that 539 of his underlings had done wrong, and so quit, with grace. Mystery, hell yeah, but no (apparent) scandal. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support this resignation feels like other politicans that have fallen from grace, such as Liz Truss. It should be posted. TomMasterReal^TALK 23:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose – Quality of the article is currently not up there. Article doesn't go into much depth about the recent events either. If the article is improved, I can see this being posted, yes. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We must also mention the low quality of this article. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support once the article is in good enough condition. Ideally time the blurb to appear after the resignation has been accepted, and include mention of his successor. A head of state being replaced is on ITN/R. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality, Support on Notability article notable, but article should be fixed. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, support with edits His article needs work. Also, if this corruption scandal is notable enough, why doesn't it have a page? Does anyone know if it has a page in Vietnamese? e.b. (talk) 16:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Ebacas There are a couple of scandals: the Việt Á scandal (which has an English-language article) where his wife is rumored to be implicated, and the the graft in repatriation flights, which has a Vietnamese-language article but not English. DHN (talk) 19:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, otherwise abstain. Half of his political career is unsourced and almost all of it is unprosed. ~~lol1VNIO🧧🐈 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 21:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support on significance, oppose on quality - too much uncited text; count this as a support once that is fixed Levivich (talk) 16:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Both articles are of terrible quality. Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose on quality Nguyễn Xuân Phúc is of extraordinarily poor quality. It would take a Herculean feat to get it even remotely ready. Prose is atrocious, sources are practically nonexistant. Curbon7 (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Renée Geyer

Article: Renée Geyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The West Australian
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian soul singer HiLo48 (talk) 03:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Article in good shape, looks ready to post. Vriend1917 (talk) 15:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose There's some uncited statements that prevent me from supporting. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The first half of the article is fine, but the second half is very poorly sourced, with about a dozen unsourced statements. The Awards section is also entirely unsourced. Curbon7 (talk) 15:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

January 16

Portal:Current events/2023 January 16

January 16, 2023 (2023-01-16) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Soledar Ukraine announces defeat at Soledar after days of intense fighting. (MSN) Tigray War Tigrayan peace process Amharan Special Forces announce their withdrawal from the Tigray Region in line with an African Union-backed peace agreement between the Ethiopian government and the Tigray People's Liberation Front. (Al Jazeera) Somali Civil War The Somali Armed Forces claim to have recaptured the port town of Harardhere from Al-Shabaab militants. According to a Puntland officer, Somali forces allied with regional militias also recaptured the town of El Dhere. (Al Jazeera) (The Globe and Mail) Disasters and accidents International Kite Festival in Gujarat – Uttarayan At least six people including three children died and 176 people were injured from cuts and falls while flying kites during Uttarayan festival in Gujarat. Some bled to death as revellers used sharp strings that entangled around the necks. (The Tribune) Nineteen people are killed and 24 others are injured during a collision between a bus and a truck in Sakal Arrondissement, Senegal. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Goshen shooting Six people, including a baby, are killed in a mass shooting in Goshen, California, United States. The shooting is believed to have been perpetrated by cartel members. (CNN) Metropolitan Police Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection officer David Carrick pleads guilty to 49 offences, including 24 rapes, at Southwark Crown Court in London, UK. (BBC News) Mafia boss Matteo Messina Denaro, one of the most wanted men in Italy and Europe, is arrested in Palermo, Sicily, Italy, after 30 years on the run. (BBC News) Solomon Peña, a former Republican candidate for the New Mexico House of Representatives, is arrested by SWAT officers for his role in the shootings of at least four New Mexico Democrat politicians' houses. (AP News) Politics and elections LGBT rights in Scotland The British government says that it will block the Gender Recognition Reform Bill passed by the Scottish Parliament despite objections from First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, saying that the proposed law would conflict with "equality protections" across Great Britain. (BBC News) German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht resigns from the Scholz cabinet amid criticism of her response to the war in Ukraine. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Frank Thomas (outfielder)

Article: Frank Thomas (outfielder) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Support Excellent work as usual. Well-cited and as holistic as it will likely get. Curbon7 (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks ready to be posted. Vida0007 (talk) 04:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jim Molan

Article: Jim Molan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AusLondonder (talk · give credit), Contrawwftw (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit) and Marcnut1996 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The very model of a modern major general Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support -- article looks good to go. He was indeed the very pattern of a modern major general. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready - Needs more citations; "Early life and education" is unsourced. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:56, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Significantly undersourced, especially in early paragraphs and list of works. Black Kite (talk) 19:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  How do you add sources to lists of works? Don't the books document themselves? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:26, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

  Pretty sure they do. Curbon7 (talk) 14:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Close, but not yet ready The second half of the article is fine, besides the Awards section which is partially unsourced. I fixed up the first half a bit, there were spots where the footnote only partially cited the text before it that I think have now been fixed, but it would still benefit from a source spot check. Case in point: I added a cn tag into the 2nd para of the section as the footnote did not fully cite the paragraph. Curbon7 (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• I've replaced the cn tag with an appropriate reference. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 17:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Arrest of Matteo Denaro

Article: Matteo Messina Denaro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sicilian Mafia boss Matteo Messina Denaro is arrested in Palermo. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: High-profile arrest involving most-wanted fugitive. Denaro was reportedly capo dei capi. Brandmeister^talk 16:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Similar to my opinion on a similar story earlier this month, the arrest itself is not notable. If it leads to any violence/clashes, then maybe we could talk about the arrest not for its own notability, but for that of the clashes it has caused. Either way, the article is not currently updated enough for a blurb. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  I'm the one who nominated that story, so from the response, I think the consensus is to oppose arrests. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support The Italian police only captures the head of the Mafia every 15 years or so. complainer 16:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support he was considered "one of the ten most wanted and powerful criminals in the world", the news has been reported in the home page of many important newspapers around the world (The Guardian, El pais, Le monde, BBC news, Folha de S. Paulo, Süddeutsche Zeitung, for example)

Floydpig (talk) 18:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Support, the most wanted mafia boss means it is is ITN level. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Arrests can be problematic for us because of the presumption of innocence. But, in this case, sentence has already been passed and it's a life sentence. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to Leaning Support after this. I've seen lots of coverage In The News as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Among the world’s most wanted fugitives, this doesn’t happen too often. A semi-similar comparison might be the death of Al-Zawahiri a little while back, which did get blurbed. The Kip (talk) 18:34, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality This absolutely isn't getting posted until the multiple unsourced statements and even paragraphs are fixed. Also, this is a BLP, remember - so unsourced sntences like "(he) and committed his first of many murders at 18.", "Messina Denaro gets his money through an extensive extortion racket", "He was involved in olive oil production in a corrupt business, which used cheap African labour. " and "...is said to be the father of an extramarital child" can't stand. There are a lot of "allegedly"s, "said to be"s "believed to be"s and so on. Needs a lot of work. Black Kite (talk) 20:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose both on quality and because we don't generally post isolated arrests. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support on significance, oppose on quality right now - We posted El Chapo and Whitey Bulger, we should post this, too: a top-10-most-wanted fugitive apprehension is global news. However, the article is not yet ready as BK points out above; I've fixed a little bit earlier, but there is still more to be done for this BLP. Levivich (talk) 20:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Weak Support due to quality The capture of a major criminal, especially mafia boss is quite important, although the quality of the article needs to be improved immediately if this would be posted. Vriend1917 (talk) 22:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose -- there is no real difference between this story and this story. We don't post arrests. The only reason this might be different is because Italy allows trial in absentia, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to post this story. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  There’s a pretty sizable difference between the son of El Chapo, a somewhat important cartel boss, and the actual capo dei capi of the Sicilian mob. The Kip (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  The subject was already tried in absentia, and convicted, and sentenced to life in prison, 20 years ago. He was already a fugitive for 10 years at that point. He was given another life sentence ten years ago. This is the capture of literally one of the most wanted men in the world for decades. Levivich (talk) 00:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support on principle. Already convicted in absentia, and role as the head of the Sicilian Mafia is significant enough to merit a blurb. Article obviously needs a ton of referencing work though. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, one of the most wanted top European mafia criminals. His 30 year-long run is notable as much as his responsibilities and the fact he will get one of the most severe punishment in the world (article 41-bis), and should be specified in the blurb. Lone Internaut (talk) 07:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support on significance, but the article still needs work. It's pretty rare to capture such a major organised crime boss and it made headlines in global media. We have usually avoided posting arrests, sticking to convictions, but he has twice been convicted in absentia and given life sentences, so now is fine to post. Unfortunately there are still several paragraphs of the biography that have no citations, and a section of WP:PROSELINE. There have been a lot of edits in the last 24 hours though, so hopefully those issues can be addressed soon. Modest Genius ^talk 19:35, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle as this is making global headlines and we're often too stingy to post things on ITN. However, while the article has many citations, it still needs work per Modest Genius et. al. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The current state of the article is a bit of a nightmare from a BLP viewpoint. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Lateef Afridi

Article: Lateef Afridi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, DAWN, Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Article could use a little expansion, and one section is unsourced. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Please sort out the merging of Latif Afridi and Lateef Afridi. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
  Resolved
  Latif Afridi is now a redirect to Lateef Afridi. --PFHLai (talk) 06:57, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support I cleaned-up the article as best I could. Sourcing issues appear to be fixed and the article is holistic enough. Man that article was a mess. Curbon7 (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Half the page is about his death.—Bagumba (talk) 18:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Blurb/RD: Gina Lollobrigida

Article: Gina Lollobrigida (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs quite a bit of work when it comes to sourcing. Nothing that isn't feasible. Mooonswimmer 12:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Dubbed most beautiful woman in the world. Co-star of Connery, Curtis, and others. Glittering career in various fields. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb once the quality issues are addressed which I assume will happen shortly with the current level of editing activity. Very influential figure in her fields. Regards SoWhy 15:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb nothing in article points to a legacy or other qualification as a transformative figure in the field. I know her name is extremely well known, but the reason to post a blurb should not be on popularity but merit, and that's simply not demonstrated in the article currently (that could be added to resolve that issue, if sources exist for that). --Masem (t) 15:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD - Article needs improvement, but I don't think this is significant enough to warrant a blurb PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:58, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose RD for now Missing ```sources in just about every single section. Once that's addressed, I'd say weak oppose blurb- certainly a highly notable individual, but still an old woman who retired decades ago (so no extra newsworthiness based on immediacy) and was never close to being the most famous or most acclaimed person in her field. -- Kicking222 (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not Ready for RD Referencing is dreadful. Oppose Blurb The community said "no" to Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, both of whom were far more consequential figures in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  Two wrongs do not do one right. Kirk Douglas was blurbed in at eat one other wiki. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

"was never close to being the most famous or most acclaimed person in her field" - most beautiful woman in the world https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jan/16/gina-lollobrigida-dies-la-lollo-beat-the-devil https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2023/01/16/gina-lollobrigida-sultry-prolific-actress-who-acclaimed-one/ seems to be meeting this for modelling? Kirill C1 (talk) 15:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD pending article improvement, but oppose blurb regardless of quality. Not even as notable as some of the recent nominations for which there was no consensus to post. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:25, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb Not significant enough for a blurb, considering even Barbara Walters wasn’t. 71.125.36.50 (talk) 16:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  Lollobridgida was by far bigger than Barbara Walters. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb She's definitely a major figure but I don't think Lollobrigida is quite the most famous or acclaimed in her field. I don't wish to sound dismissive but there is a more famous and more widely acclaimed Italian actress who is also best known for her 1950s and 60s film roles and her beauty. When the time comes, I'd support blurbing her. Humbledaisy (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose RD Significant quality issues. No need to even entertain the blurb discussion until that is improved. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD when fixes are implemented, oppose blurb as per above. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb but the article does need some serious work. Maybe RD now and blurb when the article is in a better shape. --jonas (talk) 08:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose RD and blurb Not in a fit state to post. A lot more citations needed (and has some proseline issues too).-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Old Woman Dies BBC notes her career faded in the 1960s, moved into photography and politics, hardly changed those games. Never heard of her myself, but her article makes clear her film career was nothing to sneeze at, and she was more famous than Constantine II in Europe and abroad. Not who I'd call one of the most beautiful women of any era, but far from ugly; a Photo RD might make sense eventually. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @InedibleHulk: "Not who I'd call one of the most beautiful women of any era, but far from ugly ..." I ... what? A person's beauty or lack thereof isn't part of our criteria. That statement comes off as sexist at best. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
    • I can't help it if many sources and some preceding voters brought up the fact that she was known as a screen beauty in a widely sexist cinematic era. All I'm saying is yeah, that isn't a good reason to blurb someone when they die much later. It is a good reason to remember them with a photograph, since photography is all about capturing physical beauty. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Completely agreed with The ed17. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
        • Do I at least get credit for correcting "not what I'd call" to "not who I'd call"? I meant the first revision in an idiomatic way, but still. I have long appreciated the fact that women described as beautiful are people, too, whatever you people want to believe. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle per this sentence in the lead, which establishes her importance over an extended period of time: "She was one of the highest-profile European actresses of the 1950s and early 1960s." Unfortunately, this article needs a good amount of work to bring it up to main-page standards, including a citation for that quoted sentence (which isn't backed up in the article, as far as I can see). Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:27, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
• Photo RD I think a photo RD would make a lot of sense here as a compromise position, and this subject would be a great choice for one due her symbol as a sex icon and as an empowered woman. Curbon7 (talk) 12:25, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  So if you're not notable enough for a blurb, you can still get a photo RD by being attractive. Is that the message I'm getting from your !vote? Jeez, and all this coming shortly after the failed Barbara Walters blurb nom... 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

  I did not participate in the Barbara Walters nomination, so I have no opinion there. I'm just saying that Photo RD is a valid option for these marginal cases where it also makes sense. Curbon7 (talk) 03:58, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Per WP:ITNPICT: The picture must be of a person or event mentioned in a blurb. —Bagumba (talk) 11:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support for RD. It does not seem to be a consensus either way. But definitely ready for RD. Discussion can continue.BabbaQ (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
• Filmography needs sourcing better than just IMDb. --PFHLai (talk) 20:12, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  I see your point. Have added two others. Take a look.BabbaQ (talk) 20:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for the new footnotes. I clicked on the linked refs, but I was unable to find the first three films listed in the table (Lucia di Lammermoor, This Wine of Love, and Black Eagle) in the linked refs, and I stopped looking. So, I wonder if the {{failed verification}} tag is in order. Some of the films can be found here. Useful? --PFHLai (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

  Not a requiremeent, but the most transparent approach to show what is sourced or not is to footnote the individual entries with a specific source(s). —Bagumba (talk) 11:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Mursal Nabizada

Article: Mursal Nabizada (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Afghan MP Mursal Nabizada assasinated (Post)
News source(s): The Times, BBC News, All India Radio, Voice of America, Deutsche Welle and The Guardian.
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by LordVoldemort728 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 05:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD - Article could use a little work, but I think it could be posted. This is not notable for a blurb however, unfortunately this will happen a lot in Afghanistan from now on. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Strong Oppose blurb/RD Per Precarious, this is not notable given the circumstances in Afghanistan, unfortunately and the article does need some work. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 12:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

support RD; clearly notable; the nomination template boilerplate includes: "Recent deaths of any person ... with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD pending article improvement, but oppose blurb regardless of quality. Not even as notable as some of the recent nominations for which there was no consensus to post. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:41, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD once article is expanded, strongly oppose blurb. Mooonswimmer 12:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Young Woman Assassinated This is a legit news story, as opposed to an already famous person's obituary. Since it happened in a country where journalists and police suck at cooperation, though, the article is probably going to stay too short for me to support a blurb. Support RD and may they find the bastards, whoever "they" are. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - Whatever the hell happened to the "death as the main story" criterion for death blurbs? Is that now just plain not applicable to situations like this, even when there's an actual assassination? Since when did "unless this happens in Afghanistan" become an exception to the rule?--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  Best I gather, there wasn't exactly a single point, we're still in more of an arbitrary continuum. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  After much half-assed analysis, it seems Afghanistan death must come in high numbers or contemporarily with an American political situation to stand a shot at posting. Historically, I mean. The future always has a chance...unless. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

What exactly is stopping this from being listed, already? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Article is more or less a stub, and has insufficient coverage about her political career. Spencer^T•C 01:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

• Less than 180 words of prose? That's too stubby. Anything more to write about? --PFHLai (talk) 20:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gino Odjick

Article: Gino Odjick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News
Credits:

• Updated by Kaiser matias (talk · give credit) and Professionalmuner (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support Well cited, looks good to go. Yeeno (talk) 03:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Article good enough. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Just added/replaced a few citations, removed a few duplicated ones. Seems good to go now, although "He missed most of the 2002–03 season due to concussion from a puck hitting him in the back of the head during pre-season practice, and was subsequently suspended in February 2003 by the Canadiens for failure to report to the minor-league AHL team in Utah." could use a better source. Mooonswimmer 12:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Mooonswimmer: I added an archived version of that dead link, so at least we can confirm what it said. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:20, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

January 15

Portal:Current events/2023 January 15

January 15, 2023 (2023-01-15) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Kasindi church bombing Ten people are killed and 39 others are injured when a bomb explodes at a Pentecostal church in Kasindi, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. The Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera) Afghanistan conflict Former lawmaker Mursal Nabizada and one of her bodyguards are shot and killed in Kabul inside her home, while her brother and a second security guard are injured. Taliban police spokesman Khalid Zadran condemns the killing and says that a "serious investigation has been launched". (AFP via Arab News) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Jihadists kidnap dozens of women in Arbinda, Sahel Region, Burkina Faso, according to local officials. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Yeti Airlines Flight 691 A plane which had departed from Kathmandu crashes in Pokhara, Gandaki Province, Nepal, killing all 72 people on board. (BBC News) (Reuters) 2022–2023 California floods President of the United States Joe Biden issues a major disaster declaration for the state of California following major flooding. (The Guardian) A light aircraft crashes in Nasrec, Johannesburg, South Africa, killing all three people on board. (UrduPoint) Law and crime Two suspected drug traffickers are killed in a shootout with United States Customs and Border Protection officials off the coast of Puerto Rico. (AP) The Jamaica Constabulary Force seizes $80 million worth of cocaine from a cargo ship at the port of Kingston. (Reuters)

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RD: Ronald Blythe

Article: Ronald Blythe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Appears ready. Just needs citation for his publications. Thriley (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment Article is well-sourced and holistic. As stated by nom, once sources are added for the works, it should be good to go. Curbon7 (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD (and today's Church Times has an extensive obit) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
• Bibliography sections lack sourcing. --PFHLai (talk) 17:56, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ted Savage

Article: Ted Savage (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Article good enough. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 13:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 15:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Blurb removal: Pele and Benedict

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Pele and Pope Benedict XVI (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: These blurbs have been up for enough time and should be removed. Interstellarity (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose They’ll roll off when new blurbs get added, as we usually do. The Kip (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• That's not how this works... DarkSide830 (talk) 16:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nom, surely, but no way, per The Kip and DarkSide. Be patient. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• You'll notice that there is no "blurb removal" template. Ongoing items can be removed, but I don't think regular blurbs can be removed without a replacement ready, for Main Page balance reasons if nothing else. Would be good to see something else posted though. Maybe expand the Nepal crash article? Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. You can suggest new events that qualify for blurb, that is the only way for them to be removed. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:43, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This conversation was already held on the talk page. This is not how ITN works. Curbon7 (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I'm not sure what my colleagues are talking about, but it's absolutely possible to remove the bottom two bullet points from the ITN box. It won't break anything to do so. I mean, just look at the front page: the ITN box is already longer than the TFA box, and the top-right (ITN, OTD) is already longer than top-left (TFA, DYK), so removing these two and shortening the ITN box will actually make the main page look more balanced, not less. There is no requirement that the ITN box have a certain number of bullet points or lines. Worst case scenario, we could copyedit the other blurbs to make them longer if we had to, or even just add some line breaks. It's perfectly possible. It's not usually how ITN works -- usually, things just roll off -- but I agree that it's better to remove these now rather than have stale news from last month still on there. It's unorthodox to nominate a removal, but in this case, I strongly support it. Levivich (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  It has to balance with the main page (specifically, TFA). Right now it does. Removing two items will imbalance it. Given that the aircrash story will likely be promoted soon with article expansion, then we can remove them. Just how ITN is supposed to operate. Masem (t) 18:58, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  This "it has to balance" argument is nonsense. Here is what the main page would look like if we removed those two blurbs. Everyone can compare it with the main page and decide which is more "balanced". Levivich (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose They'll roll off when needed - indeed Pele will be gone as soon as the Nepal plane crash is a decent article. Black Kite (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Just because they have been on the main page for a while, doesn't mean we have to remove them immediately. Eventually other major events will remove them from the front page. TomMasterReal^TALK 19:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Vakhtang Kikabidze

Article: Vakhtang Kikabidze (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rferl
Credits:

• Nominated by Synotia (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very famous public figure in the post-Soviet sphere (to this day), one of the most famous Georgians. With due respect, far more notable than this Sinikiwe Mpofu for example. Synotia (talk) 15:01, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment A blurb has not been proposed for either individual, notability is relevant only so far as a standalone article existing - otherwise only article quality matters. This article needs work and contains plenty of unsourced statements. -- a lad insane (channel two) 15:21, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  What about Sinikwe Mpofu though, that article is far shorter. I don't understand you guys' priorities, how some Zimbabwean cricket coach apparently has a greater legacy than one of the most famous Georgian and Soviet actors and singers. Synotia (talk) 16:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  Every statement in this article should be referenced, and Career section still has some citations missing. Ancestory section should be either referenced or removed. Then this will be posted, nothing more is required for RD. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  It was shorter but it was referenced. Your nomination has entire sections without any citations. It won't be posted until that is fixed. The current rules are that anyone with an article is eligible for RD, so we don't have to have arguments over whether this person is more notable that that person, and just focus on article quality. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The nominator clearly did not read the part of WP:ITNRD where it says that "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Large portions of this article are completely unsourced. ITN articles don't have to be GAs, but they need to meet at least a basic level of quality. Curbon7 (talk) 03:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
• The sentence about this recent death remains unsourced (date needs to be specific). Many bullet-points in the Discography and Filmography sections are also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 18:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Yeti Airlines Flight 691

Proposed image

Article: Yeti Airlines Flight 691 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 68 people are killed in an aircraft crash in Pokhara, Nepal. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Yeti Airlines aircraft (pictured) crashes in Pokhara, Nepal, killing at least 68 of the 72 people onboard.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Thilsebatti (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SBS6577P (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: 40 people have died. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support as an editor updating the article. Major loss of life (45 out of 72) makes it an extremely significant event. I was just typing an ITN nomination myself when I got pinged. Also added picture of aircraft involved. SBS6577P (talk) 07:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Also proposing altblurb. SBS6577P (talk) 07:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Sadly not that rare of an occurance given the airline involved, but it is generating significant media attention. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  08:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. The article is still a bit short at the moment but all the relevant things are there. --Tone 08:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Removed Article has 6 sentences in the body about the flight and crash itself; insufficient depth of coverage at present that does not meet minimum ITN standards. (Per WP:ITN: "In the case of a new, event-specific article, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs"). Spencer^T•C 09:04, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  Fair enough. Let's give it time to develop. Tone 09:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Spencer: Article has developed. Changed your mind? A09 (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support once improved - 40 deaths is a lot, but Spencer is right in regards to article length and quality. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 09:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support at a later date: Needs time for the article to improve and settle down.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:20, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

The death toll now stands at 68. 86.186.37.137 (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support because the crash is easily important enough & the article is good enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support the newly built airport already has a head start. [7]--बडा काजी (talk) 16:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. Admin attention needed. What is there now seems to meet the citation requirements and also the three paragraph minimums. Should be good to repost. Ktin (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Levivich (talk) 16:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support There's enough there to post in my opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  Tagging the last five admins who have posted to the homepage. @PFHLai, @Spencer, @Tone, @Fuzheado, and @Jayron32. Ktin (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Neutral Can’t remember which, but an ITNR item was nearly not listed due to excessive flags. This has…excessive flags. 65.246.72.70 (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Significant aviation accident, largest in Nepal since 1992, and ATR-72 is operated by dozens of airlines worldwide Ppt91 (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is now long enough and well referenced, this accident is being widely reported outside Nepal CNN, BBC, RTE Josey Wales ^Parley 18:45, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is referenced pretty well, and also its a big news event. TomMasterReal^TALK 19:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This news only effects a small number of people and there's no indication that this is going to have any long term significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic" बडा काजी (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

The death of Pelé had more impact on the world, as cynical as it may sound. Not even Nepalis care about Nepal's aviation safety. Synotia (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I get what you're saying, but those 72 people had families, and this has sent shock and sadness through Nepal. Not only that, it's being extensively covered In The News. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I would never consider 72 people dying in a single incident to be a small number. Your remark appears callous at best.GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Tragic loss of life and support it being on ITN. Although this needs to be updated to say that all 72 passengers passed away. CaptainGalaxy 20:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  What's your source for that? 86.187.239.9 (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  No one made it? This is terrible. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Only affects a minor amount of people. What happened in Brazil a few days ago is more important, it would feel wrong to sideline it for this. --Synotia (talk) 21:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not a competition; news tickers roll over, and that's how they work. We don't have a duty to keep surfacing older news if there's newer stories. And I still don't consider 72 lives lost in one incident to be a 'minor amount'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:39, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Support A09 (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

  All 72 people aboard now confirmed dead. Article updated. 86.187.239.9 (talk) 22:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I understand this has already been posted, but the article could still use some work, as it's at the bare minimum for ITN right now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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