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questions about NPP bot

@MB: Quck question. Is there a specific dedicated piece of software that is used for NPP? It sounds like you watch the feed. What I am trying to establish right now is whether NPPers use an attended interface like Twinkle, or whether it's more akin to a spider doing batch processing, in which case the check I have proposed will not work. Thanks. Elinruby (talk) 14:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

NPPers watch the feed. Some reviewers look at the oldest unreviewed articles first, some look at newest, some start in the middle, some look as specific article types or subject area. Yes, there is a tool we use filter the feed and help with other reviewer actions. MB 14:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for that answer, and I apologize for the delay in answering you; I had a connectivity issue. I think it would be best if I took a look at the feed interface before asking further questions, and am putting that on my list of things to do. Elinruby (talk) 19:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

It's at Special:NewPagesFeed and it's accompanied by a full set of excellent sophisticated tools that have been in use since 2012 and which I also helped to develop. You can see them here but you do not have the access right to use them. There are around 750 accredited New Page Reviewers, more if you count around 1,100 admins who automatically have access. None of them are expected to be polyglot. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Kudpung: please do not post any further to my user page, as I find you insulting, and apparently it’s mutual. I will ask my questions elsewhere. Elinruby (talk) 19:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (ec note: The following comment was originally composed in response to this post at section § Jublains archeological site; adding it here instead)

Without taking a position on the merits, it's unfair to make a comment like that that about another editor, while simultaneously disinviting him from posting on your Talk page (next sectionabove) as it gives him no opportunity to defend himself. As this is your Talk page, I'm sure Kudpung would have the grace to give you the last word, even if he didn't agree with you (in fact, he has done so above previously, in his statement about disengaging, which imho you misread as a desire not to answer, but which I read as a desire not to fight with you). Imho, it's fine to ask someone not to post on your page, but in that case, decency and fairness requires you to no longer post potentially negative comments about them, which makes the post above a cheap shot. I hope that as long as Kudpung is disinvited from your page, you'll never mention his name again; that would be the decent thing. As far as regex questions, fire away! Mathglot (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps. Should I remove the comment to you, then? I simply wanted to convey that we’ve been arguing about stuff-that-is-not-what-I-said, and it’s waste of everybody’s time that isn’t fixing anything. I cced you on the regex discussion; fixing “a eu” -> “an eu” would at least be some progress. I expect a phone call at any minute so I can’t do a deep dive this second. I actually don’t object to accurate automation; somebody seems to be running a tool that fixes <ref></ref>., otherwise an annoying and tedious task. I will get back to you on the regex thing, thanks. Elinruby (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

aha, the comment you are talking about was in the section I just deleted as irrelevant , right? If you feel there is something else I should do to be fair, please do let me know. I don’t think it requires anything like a revdel?Thanks Elinruby (talk) 20:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I think you're good now; the current state of it is fine now, and a revdel would be overkill. Best thing now, imho, is to just let it lie, and move on. As to "a eu" etc., I responded at AWB; thanks for the ping there (didn't ping you back, as I assume you are subscribed to it). I also noticed a separate discussion there as well, and responded to that one as well. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I haven’t subscribed, but perhaps I should. Incremental improvements are a hobby of mine. Elinruby (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

French criminal law

 Courtesy link: French criminal law

I had been working on a version of French criminal law in Draft space, and then kind of forgot about it because of all the other stuff I'm trying to get done, and then I got one of those bot warnings that it hadn't been edited in five months and was about to get deleted, so even though it's missing a section (and needs expansion elsewhere) I rushed it through to main space. It (by which I mean, the topic) is really interesting; I learned a lot working on it; their Napoleonic system is pretty different from law systems based on common law. Anyway, I thought you might enjoy having a look, to see if it interests you.

If you don't feel like working on that one, there's another approach you could take for the betterment of en-wiki's coverage of French concepts, which is to take one of the many red links and expand it into an article. That's another thing that interested me in writing this draft, which is the number of related concepts for which we have nothing here at en-wiki; it's like a whole little microcosm just waiting to be explored and expanded. Ping me over there for more details, if interested in getting involved. Mathglot (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I'm interested and already had done some stuff about this in the Operation Car Wash era; I say this not to brag but warn you. I had major trouble at the time with the concept of civil law as an alternate to common law vs as a type of common law, and it was actually Brazilian law that I needed, which for reasons of colonialism is based on the Napoleonic system. So I saw these difficulties as somewhat peripheral. I am pretty sure we discussed the juge d'instruction at the time? Anyway, my point is, even if I am the last editor to work on an article you link to, it isn't necessarily correct; I tried to double back and fix these issues but could easily have missed some instances. Another reason to become involved with this one, I guess. As I recall most of the articles I worked on were about different levels of court in the French system. I haven't looked at your article yet and may not today, but I will. Let me mention a couple of pitfalls while I am thinking of them, in case: "crime" in French actually is quite specific, and perhaps best translated as "misdemeanor", and "parquet", which to me means a wooden floor, in fact, as I recall, means the prosecutor, and/or perhaps the investigating judge. Not sure if you will already have encountered those. Also, indefinite detention is apparently just fine in some cases. (mise en vue?) See you in the article talk. Elinruby (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

I had done some careful exploration of the meaning of crime, and as you already discovered, it doesn't line up with English crime; it has a very specific meaning in French criminal law, and is tied to a specific severity of offense that can hold a penalty of X number of years; less than that, and it's not a crime. There are brief expositions of this in the article, but more could be said about it.

You'll perhaps recall that there were so many new concepts wrt Brazilian law, that I had to keep offline notes about all the definitions, which I eventually turned into WP:Brazil/Glossary and created articles like Condução coercitiva just to accommodate it, and it may be I'll end up doing something like that for French law, if I keep at it. Mathglot (talk) 18:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Nod, I realize how methodical you are. I am happy to help but this morning I am going to tie up some loose ends and maybe do some light copyediting out of the help-help pile at the Community Portal. Maybe after coffee, but I probably need to do some re-reading before I do any serious content work on this, since it's been a couple years. I am sure your writing doesn't need the kind of MoS-and-grammar editing I am looking for ATM ;) Elinruby (talk) 18:32, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There's no rush; all in your own time. As far as peeking into a whole new world, I'm pretty excited about all those red links, but that will be a long, slow process. The reward will be the fun of just exploring it, learning about it, and then presenting it to the English-speaking viewership who (mostly) come from countries where a lot of these concepts will be completely foreign to them (as they are to me, too). As for sourcing, I've found a lot of good stuff, but Dalloz appears to be the semi-official go-to source for points of French jurisprudence, although there are plenty of other secondary sources that explain things better to the layman. Mathglot (talk) 18:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

For an interesting tidbit of historical background, see Talk:Éric_Zemmour/Archive_2#Translating_'délit' for the precipitating discussion or raison d'etre of the article (which I forgot myself, until I reread the Talk page of the new article). Mathglot (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, will look. I came up with "infraction", as these seem to be offenses like littering or marijuana possession (in some states) that result in a citation not detention. I don't remember if I ever implemented this in a translation however. Elinruby (talk) 21:33, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Eek, it seems that I remembered the hierarchy but not the qualitative details. "Crime" is not a misdemeanor, and "délit" != infraction. I took a look at Cour d'Assize, which is on your list of potentisl in-links, and yes, I did translate it. A couple of other people have made changes, which look appropriate; this makes me wonder, though, what I translated to "felony". I might have done better to leave in the French word and define it. Just letting you know that I have begun to nibble around the edges of this. I unFrenched it a bit. Apparently this was done after I started to get impatient with the flood of redlinks in the topic area. I remember thinking that lawyers should do this, but of course none have volunteered, so yeah, it looks important and I should also review my previous work here Elinruby (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you should ping A. C. Santacruz? What happened to the article itself? I think I remember seeing it at PNT, but as a rule I avoid BLPs, especially of contentious people, so I don't think I ever looked at it. Elinruby (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Paris agreements dab page

Hi, this may be out of your range of interest, but any thoughts (given your Francophilia) that you might have about this disambiguation page I created (to replace a hornet's nest of individual redirects and disambiguations) would be welcome: Paris meetings, agreements and declarations (disambiguation).

(I've been half tempted, out of sheer mischievousness, to add Paris Commune and Paris Commune (1789–1795) to this list.)

Have a good Thanksgiving, and may the best team win the FIFA World Cup Trophy. (Of course I hope for a repeat of 1966 while I suspect you'd love une réprise of 1998.

—— Shakescene (talk) 01:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@Shakescene: wow. Great work. I have only skimmed it but it certainly seems useful. I noted that you do have both Communes, so at the risk of seeming humorless, why is this mischievous? They are definitely two distinct events, distant in time, that share the same name. Elinruby (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

What was a bit mischievous is that the Communes don't strictly fit into the meetings-agreements-declarations category, although it's at least conceivable that someone looking for a Commune might look under one of the other redirecting articles, e.g. Paris Convention, or (less likely) vice-versa.

Thanks for the compliment. Bonne Chance —— Shakescene (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Aha, I see. I do vote you keep it; I remember being confused by that one when I was dumped into a Parisian French history class halfway through high school. I'll give it a deeper read in the next few days. Elinruby (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

And then there's the (artistic, or movement) schools: School of Paris, School of Paris (Middle Ages), and Paris School (security studies). Mathglot (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I liked School of Paris... good times. The Middle Ages guy told me to get out of here with my Dada objections ;) Elinruby (talk) 07:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Treaty of Paris, at least two Elinruby (talk) 09:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

1783 and 16 something Elinruby (talk) 09:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Click the wikilink and you’ll see that the disambiguation page for Treaty of Paris is much longer than this one. —— Shakescene (talk) 14:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

hahaha point taken Elinruby (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Attribution summary requires a link to a specific title

Elinruby, thanks for creating Public action in French law, and thanks for the translation attribution to French Wikipedia in this edit, although it was incomplete. Recall that proper copy attribution requires both naming the title of the original article, and linking to it from the edit summary. You can copy/paste the attribution statement for translated articles right out of WP:TFOLWP into the edit summary. If you need to add an attribution link retrospectively, you can do that: see WP:RIA.

In a separate issue: when I went to link your article via Wikidata to the French one, as I started to type the French title, it proposed four different articles to link to:

• Action publique
• Action publique en droit pénal français
• Action publique (droit pénal)
• Action publique (administration)

so in the end, I didn't link it, in order not to link to the wrong one. You can click 'Add links' in the language sidebar to add it. Mathglot (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Currently in my 11th hour of public transportation and still have a ferry ride and another lengthy bus ride to go, so action on this will not happen tonight. At least the current bus has wifi.

But yeah, I will figure out what is up with that. Going to be 2 or 3 I think but I will tell you soon. In other news did you see my note about Parliament vs parlement? I changed Parliament to parlement, but that's only true in Canada. In the Ancient Régime a parlement was a court, which I should have remembered. My question is whether Assemblée Nationale would be anachronistic. Unless you know the answer offhand or are fascinated by the question, don't worry about this though; I am capable of figuring this out, just not tonight. This is in the Legality article, which perhaps should be [] Error: {{Lang}}: no text (help). The RfM was withdrawn, btw.Elinruby (talk) 03:26, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe 2 is a child of 3? Can't look right now.Elinruby (talk) 03:28, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Not to worry; no big hurry about this. I didn't see the note about Parlement yet, but the term also does apply to France, but has a specific meaning that only applies to the Ancien Regime. If you're talking about the National Assembly or Chamber of Deputies or anything post-Revolution, then you can't use the term Parlement for legislative bodies in France. I'll have a look at he article later; am still trying to tidy up the nav template ({{French criminal law}}), and am also making a copy-paste model that we can use to churn out new French law stubs (see User talk:Mathglot/French law stub). It's not quite finished yet, but you're welcome to use it if it would be helpful. Mathglot (talk) 03:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Might be. And yeah at one point in my French law spree I translated Parlement de Paris and it's a court. I probably should check that too Elinruby (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I looked at the edit history on one article, which I don't appear to have touched. Got interrupted by a hard block of 12 months for being a web host. Apparently somebody didn't like the way the ferry set up their public wifi, lol, see below. Sorta understandable; they probably have the snack shop and the cafeteria and the gift shop contracted out and (speculation) running through a single default gateway? Nobody ever said that all governments are smart. Anyway the article I looked at was of Paris not de Paris, so | am adding to the list of things to check for duplicate articles there. God I am tired. I just got to the hotel. The article I looked at was ok though, even if a bit short and superficial. Elinruby (talk) 08:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

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Bilingual law dictionaries, glossaries, and search engines

Found a bunch of online sites which either have long lists of legal terms in French and English (e.g., Lexique français-anglais this pdf, 124 pages); or they are browsable, or searchable like a search engine and you type in your term, and it brings up a definition, and sometimes also an article about it, and the translation (like This McGill browsable/searchable dictionary) and many more. I'll probably post the list at the France WikiProject, but you can find your obscure French legal term at one of these, and find a translation and/or an article about it. More later. Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good Elinruby (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Just to say thanks

Hi, I just wanted to drop in and say thanks for the advice and guidance you gave me on Talk:Firehose of falsehood regarding Wikipedia policies and norms, how to propose, discuss and implement appropriate changes, etc. It inspired me to do a lot of reading about Wikipedia policy and procedures. I really learned a lot in the process, and I appreciate the patience you showed in explaining things to me.

I haven't read up on barnstars enough to know whether or not one would be appropriate, but I just wanted to let you know I appreciate you taking the time to help out, especially seeing as these kinds of contentious topics can be stressful to get involved with.

I was my first conflict and I was genuinely pretty disillusioned, on the cusp of giving up on the whole idea of becoming an editor, but your calm and neutral advice spurred me on. For the future, I plan to do my best, try to make constructive improvements, stick around, and continue learning.

I've made quite a lot of changes to the article now. If you ever have some spare time, and fancy reviewing the changes and giving some feedback, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Either way you've already done a lot and I really appreciate it.

Thanks again for your kind patience and all the best! ShabbyHoose (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I really appreciate you taking the time to pen this note. Warm fuzzies all around.Elinruby (talk) 02:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Just a ping to @ShabbyHoose: as I should have done at the time to be sure he/she saw my thanks. This note came to me at a time when I was quite discouraged myself about something else and really, really, did me a lot of good. So thank you very much, and never hesitate to do this kind of stuff ;) Elinruby (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Elinruby. Thank you for your work on Public action in French law. User:Scope creep, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Hi Mathglot. I've added a wee reference for you to keep in focus and in mainspace. Cracking wee article. Keep it up.

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scope_creepTalk 07:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Thank you for the kind words and the reference. Mathglot and I are working on improving coverage of legal systems based on the Napoleonic Code. It's slow going as there has been some previous conflation with common law systems, but we're on it, and I do plan to expand that one myself after I get done with Natural person in French law. This on e seems to be a formal judicial mechanism for dealing with things like oil spills (vs the often ad hoc regulatory systems in the US for example). Most translations from French start out under-referenced and mostly referenced to primary sources; it's a problem but as you see above, since we're starting from 10,000 feet we're also looking for good secondary sources. All of which is to say, thanks for not slamming it into draft space as unreferenced, which would have been easier but also would have been discouraging to me. I created three or four of these stubs to reduce the number of redlinks in a survey article, but am going to expand those before creating any more, as there turn out to be a lot of issues with titles and redirects and so on. Thanks for thoughtfulness. Elinruby (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Please no direct interlanguage links inline

Hi, Elinruby, in these edits to Central Directorate of the Judicial Police you added two direct Interlanguage links to French Wikipedia articles. Per H:FOREIGNLINK and MOS:INTERWIKI, please use Template:Ill instead, as "interwiki linking within an article's body text is generally discouraged". I've already fixed up those two links, so you're good to go. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

mumble ok Elinruby (talk) 09:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

btw I am still looking at Natural person in French law, but slightly boggled at the multiple versions of Code Noir, which also applied to Quebec, New Brunswick and Louisiana in addition to the countries our article mentions. Another fun fact: Under the version of French law that exists in Quebec today, a river has been declared a legal person. There also seems to be a lot to be said about how Roman law treated Franks and Burgundians after the Romans invaded, and how the Franks and Gauls treated the Romans after they invaded Rome. Interestingly they both applied two sets of legal standards, so at the time people didn't so much have human rights as citizenship rights. Just thinking out loud and updating you; contemplating the rewrite we discussed of the history section. Elinruby (talk) 09:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Yah, there's more to the Code Noir than I realized at first glance. It was really interesting learning about that, which I did, thanks to you (and am still doing). Mathglot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Are you a person if you are willing to risk being branded to get away? The Code Noir articles are incomplete. Apparently the original is lost, but somebody made a copy; however there is no concordance. Too much for comparative concepts of humanity -- I need to figure out how to wikilink that. But since I am here might as we straighten the main article out if I can. One of the articles of the document was citing the wrong sentence earlier that is why we had that confusion. 42 does talk about punishment but not ears, that's 38. According to a wiki article I was just reading (Mauritius?) They had a punishment there where they left.a slave exposed all day.then executed the slave at sundown. I think that's the colony where they refused categorically to implement the codeat all. Vs other colonies where they said sure and just ignored it. Elinruby (talk) 09:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure which one that is, but I know that Mauritania is often mentioned as the country where slavery is still the most in effect of any country currently. Don't know anything about Mauritius, but the name is so similar, I wonder if you were reading about Mauritania (in North Africa). Mathglot (talk) 09:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Nope this one is...off Madagascar I think. Mauritania have a vague idea you are right but this is "île Maurice" -- I am capable of making that mistake and I wouldn't have known right hours ago, but I just did a big old ce @ Mauritius, should be a pretty good read apart from some Dutch redlinks for ship captains and governors. Elinruby (talk) 09:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

History of Mauritius it was

Oops Elinruby (talk) 09:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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I think you pinged me from the article talk page. You said [1] - "I really fail to see why he is worth the effort". Yes, exactly. Hence, no comments from me about that guy. Yes, contributors frequently create a number of pages on subjects of marginal notability just because they like the subject or the person. But as long as such pages would survive an AfD (as this page), this is all legit. My very best wishes (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for the kind words. I just put up a pending tasks comment on the talk page. If you did the rating or can see the rating feel free to add to it; this is a good article on fr.wikipedia and there's no reason it couldn't be here. How did I submit the article for consideration, btw? Elinruby (talk) 05:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I found the grading scheme. Elinruby (talk) 05:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Happy new year in advanced

Dear, Elinruby, What's your thought on renamed Dha hanu Region for the Aryan valley . Because dha hanu region is a Historical name aas well as it has been sometimes used by an recent articles too . But it is true that Aryan valley is Mostly used by the government and others Nowadays . We need to search how many articles have used dha hanu region ,if the dha hanu region is used more than Aryan valley then my thought is that Dha hanu is a comment name then we should Renamed the Aryan valley as Dha Hanu region . However Aryan valley name will also be included in dha hanu region . Please tell me your though, Thank you Minaro123 (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Does Dah Hanu refer to exactly the same villages? Elinruby (talk) 05:13, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Dha hanu is a twin villages that is Dha and hanu. While 'Dha hanu region' refers to the four villages as mentioned by some articles .

But we need to make maintain two pages, one is dha hanu region . And another is dha hanu . We need to first collect sources to see how many articles and source have mentioned dha hanu region ,after that we can decide Minaro123 (talk) 07:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Minaro123: sorry to be slow to answer. I typed out a long answer about my understanding of the jurisdictions, then my battery died... It was pretty similar to what I said on the talk page of Aryan Valley though, so let me answer a different way, from the rules rather than by trying to understand the facts. Not that the facts aren't important; we are trying to accurately portray the facts, right? But to answer your question from the rules perspective, in general an article about an area is supposed to use the WP:COMMONNAME. This is a tricky call in this instance, especially with no knowledge outside of working on this article with you. It is not correct that everything needs to be in the article about each village. Those editors are working from a misunderstanding of policy because of their POV. Consider Napa Valley and Silicon Valley, though. These are names that apply to a region that contains several municipalities. I consider Aryan Valley a kind of special enterprise zone. Whether Dah Hanu refers to all of the villages or just two of them seems to me like it was a matter of the point in time, but that is what I am understanding from you. Does that help? Elinruby (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

French legal terms

Lack of proper translations for French legal terms was getting in the way of a lot of different articles we've been working on in the French criminal law area, and so I've created Draft:Glossary of French criminal law. It's only about 20% done, but it may be useful to you already, especially if your term starts with A, B, or C (and some E's and P's, and scattered others). I finally understand terms like élément matériel and élément moral, which I never did before. As a fringe benefit, I've learned English terms like actus reus and mens rea as well. (Well, Latin terms in these examples, but used in English legal texts in common law countries.) Feel free to add words from French criminal law to the list, even if you don't have the definition for it yet. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 09:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, we really need one. I will work on this a bit later today Elinruby (talk) 20:38, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Was looking around for more good glossaries (not being satisfied with the ones I just added to the "External links" section) and I think I hit the mother lode, with this lexicon from the Ministere de la Justice: http://www.justice.gouv.fr/les-mots-cles-de-la-justice-lexique-11199/#alpha . It's completely authoritative, and fairly comprehensive. It's monolingual French, so it still doesn't cover how to translate a term into English, but at least it's a one-stop shop for finding a reliable definition for something, since the articles at fr-wiki are often poor and unsourced, and I don't trust them. I will start back-filling some of the existing definitions with {{sfn}}s using this source. My plan is to add most of the terms from Catherine Elliott's glossary appendix; I've done pages 231-233; so pp. 234-239 still remain to be added. Mathglot (talk) 02:36, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Well for sure a lot of articles from fr.wikipefia are insufficiently referenced. Which is reason enough how to not trust them. Could we put anchors on individual terms? Elinruby (talk) 04:11, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Every term is individually anchored. The canonical anchor is the French term, as it would appear in running text, so normally lower case, unless always capitalized. Convenience anchors are included, so you can link without diacritics, or capitalized; e.g., Draft:Glossary of French criminal law#élément moral links to the same place as Draft:Glossary of French criminal law#element moral, or Draft:Glossary of French criminal law#Élément moral. Mathglot (talk) 11:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Excellent work. I was just looking around in it for the redlinks at Natural person in French law. The definitions for Personne x look at least broadly correct. I will do a comparison later for the terms relating to legal death, which was a brand-new concept to me and probably is to most people. And then there is "peine affamante". The French article keeps talking about "concubine". I am translating this as "common law-spouse", but that's confusing in this context. What do you think? Elinruby (talk) 04:34, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, this is not specific to French law, but I had to nail down positive law vs natural law, that's another suggestion. I'll add these when I break out the laptop later if you haven't already. Elinruby (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I took a little side track into template land, because I was relying heavily on Légifrance for references to the text of a lot of laws, and it was getting too tedious. One template existed already, named {{Legifrance}}, but it helped only minimally. So there are now two more templates added to the pot: {{Cite Legifrance}}, and {{Sfn Legifrance}}. You can see some examples of their use in the wild, in French criminal law. Please have a look at them, and note any problems with the template or the documentation on their talk pages. Mathglot (talk)!

Copyvio at 2023 Praça dos Três Poderes attack

Hello, Elinruby. I saw that you removed the image from the article arguing that it’s probaby a copyright violation. But I’m almost totally certain it’s not. The person filming the invasion appears in this video. If you check his YouTube channel, you’ll be able to see not only his profile picture, but also this other video, in which he uses his real name (Jefferson) on its title and has his face revealed. There are also some hyperlinks to his Instagram and LinkedIn accounts. I don’t have any reasons not to believe he indeed filmed the invasion, as well as he is one of those terrorists (Brazilian sources categorically classify them as terrorists!). RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

@RodRabelo7: just to follow up on this, I quit trying to remove it because I was getting reverted and asked for page protection, which in retrospect was not the right thing to do, even if it was by the book, since I have since understood that a lot of the very new accounts on that page are in fact experienced editors at pt.wikipedia, at least so it would seem based on their knowledge of policy. I am guessing they either didn't know how to make global accounts or were worried about retaliation since the coup attempt was still in progress when we were having this discussion. The experience at en.wikipedia with an influx of new editors on a breaking news story is that a lot of them don't understand reliable sources, may be trolls, or simply indignant at what they perceive to be great wrongs. I am impressed, actually, at how well discussions are going on that page though, whatever its name may be at the moment. I followed up on this a little, and to the best of my understanding, while the person who flagged the license as unverified wasn't wrong to do so because that label wasn't exactly correct, TV Brasil does in fact allow re-use of its media on terms that are pretty much equivalent. I am not certain whether that is an official finding yet, but Diannaa, who does a lot of the copyvio stuff here, is pretty much the authority and that is my understanding of what she said. Elinruby (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Closing small tags

I think you forgot to do so, in this edit. I've closed it for you here; I think it's where you intended it to be, but if not, feel free to move it. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Writ Keeper:, I appreciate that. I will check. I was trying not to add too much explanation to something I had already said was overly complicated. Elinruby (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, not creating a new thread but I will appreciate if you can file whatever you are filing against me at ANI (or elsewhere) after the dispute with VC resolves. Which ought be in the next couple of days (I guess) with Uanfala actively looking into the issue. Obviously, you can draw on VC's thread for pointing behavioral similarities or whatever you feel; just that, I am not in the headspace to tackle two simultaneous disputes. Regards, TrangaBellam (talk) 17:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I just now noticed this request. I would be just as happy to try to discuss this with you. I don't know if you noticed, but another dispute blew up. I am only peripherally involved but it is big and ugly and *absolutely* is intractable behaviour that will never change unless he is blocked, which he already has been on two other wikis. It's sort of not up to me, but (speculating) maybe you believed something K3 told you in error? I appreciate the courtesy of your request and would be willing to attempt to discuss at least, and Minaro3 just wants to be allowed to work, I am pretty sure. I am willing to do the necessary coaching and explaining to him. Let me know your thoughts. I am deep in the middle of something else that requires concentration and many open windows, so I probably won't take a look for your answer or check on that complaint until tomorrow sometime, just to give you a time frame.Elinruby (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPA, again

Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

21:00, 14 January 2023 Claiming I built "another firehouse.of falsehood" and made an "ethnic slur" + adding the picture of a rooster

22:02, 14 January 2023 Calling me "Pinocchio"

22:30, 14 January 2023 Accusing me of using sock- or meatpuppets

This behaviour is unacceptable and I insist (once again) that you stop. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 23:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gitz6666 Have you struck those untruths about me yet? If not I don't want you hear from you about how that request in constituted a personal attack. You seem to need to review the RS policy also. Telling the truth about you in an ANI complaint is an ANI complaint, not a personal attack. I suggest some introspection. Cheers. Elinruby (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement warning

As you have made personal attacks, engaged in incivility, casted aspersions and engaged in battleground behaviour at ANI (for example, 1, 2, 3, 4) I am giving you a logged warning that any further conduct that does not adhere to Wikipedia's policies and expectations of editor behaviour will likely result in significant sanctions such as longer blocks and topic bans.

You may appeal this warning using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)