User talk:Betterkeks: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 14:12, 11 June 2022

Notice of Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion

This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding interpretation of WP:STATUSQUO, which version should be maintained while the Etymology section is being discussed. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "Perth".

Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Mitch Ames (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SHIPNAME

Hi. I noticed that a few years ago you moved 't Wapen van Hoorn to ''t Wapen van Hoorn (1619), citing WP:SHIPNAME. That surprised me, since normally it goes against WP:CONCISE to have the primary landing page for a term be a redirect to a parenthetically-disambiguated version of it. I checked SHIPNAME and I don't see anything that would create an exception to that, but maybe I didn't look hard enough; am I missing something? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 19:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: There are five ships with that name by VOC. That article is about ONE of those five. There really ought to be a disambiguation page, but I didn’t get to it. Betterkeks (talk) 13:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Giustiniani

Thanks for your edit, I was interrupted when making the entry and had the wrong diary. Fixed now. Giustiniani is indeed fascinating. There is a thesis on him, which I refer to in the entry on Giustiniani.

Indigenous placenames debate

Hi there, there is a discussion raging at the moment that will hopefully lead to a formal end to the debate and edit warring around inclusion of Aboriginal placenames in articles. I have greatly appreciated your input before on this issue and if you have the energy it'd be great to have your contribution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#Indigenous_names Noticeboard Poketama (talk) 11:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is

It could be tidied up perhaps... [1] JarrahTree 12:53, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be something that hi-lights earlier successful separations JarrahTree 14:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: Got it :). I'll also add the Fly/Victoria Hall/Drill Hall example. Betterkeks (talk) 14:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

a major plus would be a 'how to' of creating separate wikidata entries (2x or 3x or whatever) from one article - do you think that would be possible to do so on yet another sub-page ? The main purpose of the exercise is to expedite the connections between articles and wikidata, so if you were able to do so, it would be fantastic... JarrahTree 05:25, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: It would be fantastic, but that is also a very substantial topic; see database normalization and logic programming. But it ought to be possible to come up with a "manifesto". Betterkeks (talk) 06:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops - I understand very clearly where you are coming from there, and yoiks, I am thinking of the task of the very superficial level of peripheral editing around the larger topic - (a) with wikidata open (b) with english wikipedia open (c) description on wikidata checked or edited (d) short description of english wikipedia checked or edited (e) variant/sub topic identified in both/either wikis in some way (maybe see also, or not) - so no process required other than usual editing... JarrahTree 06:16, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

zig zag

apart from the one at the very end of the mundaring weir railway when the weir was first constructed, the gooseberry hill one as a regular piece of mainline until 1949, deserves

an article stand alone, I think. The road and its rather tedious history of various editions (sic) of the kalamunda council prognosticating on various forms of control of hoons and how to respond is as colourful as watching Clockwork Orange, with the photographs showing up on the abc news as to why... other un-personned locations in the hills that come to mind (at least 3 others) require 'gating' after hours for similar issues, and some permanently closed. The adjacent ground to the gated locations offer up ample evidence as to the activities in previous eras of less control. The locations could be easily monitored by cctv,(some are now) however maybe the various authorities are under-funded for such systems. JarrahTree 04:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the kalamunda council in the last twenty years has actually spent money to check the feasibility of restoring the alignment to being a railway - (the story was the people involved were inspired by the short lived restuarant train that actually went over main line way back when railway admin wasnt so averse to something as traction that wasnt their own, passing over their lines) however there are quite a few issues - where to source rail, sleepers and rolling stock and propulsion - I challenge anyone to understand the ad hoc politics of gaining any of the aforementioned without luck, serendipity and knowing the right person at the right time and place - and the resultant inherent probability that such resources are now very difficult to locate or appropriate - the stories of rail closures and known internal memos that stated very specifically 'close it asap we want the rails for somewhere else' - cannabalisation in the railway system of its own materials is well known but not understood by outsiders that well. So the zig zag revitalisation fell over as much as being wrong place wrong time as anything else. JarrahTree 05:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

unfortunately I did not keep press clippings on what I am outlining here (quite a bit of ad hoc unverifiable anecdotes that are not easy to 'unwrap' so to speak) - there may be very limited online material about it, the kalamunda history people have at least a couple of books about the old line, but the possibility of good sources about the railway plan are limited, I hope I am wrong... JarrahTree 05:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

amazing what a bit of publicity does - the zig zag drive this afternoon was chockers with sunday drivers - even a drone wandering around above stathams... JarrahTree 11:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

worth checking my commons additions tonight, might give an idea... JarrahTree 13:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

none of it simplified by the fact there is also another article about the upper darling range railway - which as they say 'pertains' to the full length of the railway as built and closed in 1949 - so it, the zig zag scenic drive/railway is in effect a discrete 'section' in railway terms - from where ridge hill road is now, up to the top where it goes across the ridge in gooseberry hill suburb... JarrahTree 08:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: I looked at the upper darling range railway (UDRR) article (among other things). The Kalamunda Zig Zag (KZZ) article says (“a zig zag was built between Ridge Hill and Gooseberry Hill stations”, and the termini are Ridge Hill and Gooseberry Hill, all in the suburb of Gooseberry Hill) the KZZ is the section of the UDRR between Ridge Hill (at or near 31°56′16″S 116°02′37″E / 31.9378405°S 116.0434936°E) and Gooseberry Hill (at or near 31°57′18″S 116°03′05″E / 31.9549322°S 116.0512538°E, as best as I can tell) stations. Did I understand that wrong? I checked MRWA, and Zig Zag Scenic Drive is oneway and 40 km/h between Ridge Hill Road and Ocean View Parade, and bidirectional and 50 km/h between there and where it turns into Lascelles Parade at or near 31°56′31″S 116°02′55″E / 31.9420391°S 116.0486518°E. Is “where it goes across the ridge in gooseberry hill suburb” in the oneway section? Or is the KZZ completely coincident with Zig Zag Scenic Drive? Betterkeks (talk) 10:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

what a night, I was sure I had replied - not sure where it went... JarrahTree 12:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

kzz is same as zzsd, lascelles parade, ocean view parade as upper marker points, ridge hill road the lower... kzz is two lane between lascelles and ocean view - see my photos updated to commons... JarrahTree 13:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UTC)

@JarrahTree: I think we are done then (with the untangling). Lascelles Parade ends at Tella Street and continues as Williams Street. I think KZZ ran from Lascelles west of Williams towards Gooseberry Hill Station which was (as best as I can tell) west of Williams and north of Gooseberry Hill Road. Today there is a bicycle path where the railway ran south of Tella Street. Betterkeks (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: Correction, FYI. According to this page, the Gooseberry Hill railway station was SOUTH of Gooseberry Hill Road (at or near 31°57′22″S 116°03′06″E / 31.956214856047666°S 116.05171834501044°E). (But it still means there is a section of the KZZ that is not road today but bicycle path.) Betterkeks (talk) 01:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The bitumened road of KZZ is a bowdlerised version of the original rail alignment... and can cause confusion... indeed JarrahTree 01:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

some very very good news, I have found a definitive text version of everything one wanted to know about the kzz subject, I am out for most of day, but will email details... JarrahTree 02:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

then there was the Mundaring weir formation... [2] which lasted until about the same time as the demise of the kzz - maybe a few years before, as the rail connection before the raising of the wall was useful, to a point...

JarrahTree 07:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Betterkeks has been an active editor since May of 2018. In that time they have added over 9000 edits with 91% in mainspace. They have been especially active at improving information at COVID-19 pandemic in Australia and Louis Giustiniani. A trusted, productive and helpful editor, Bettrkeks is a member in good standing at Wikipedians in Western Australia.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

{{User:UBX/EoTWBox}}

Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 14:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 54: / Line 54: @@
 |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; color:#606570" |'''Editor of the Week'''
 |-
-|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 2px solid lightgray" |Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]] in recognition of {{{briefreason}}}. Thank you for the great contributions! <span style="color:#a0a2a5">(courtesy of the [[WP:WER|<span style="color:#80c0ff">Wikipedia Editor Retention Project</span>]])</span>
+|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 2px solid lightgray" |Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]] in recognition of your great contributions! <span style="color:#a0a2a5">(courtesy of the [[WP:WER|<span style="color:#80c0ff">Wikipedia Editor Retention Project</span>]])</span>
 |}
-[[User:{{{nominator}}}]] submitted the following nomination for [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]]:
+[[User:Buster7]] submitted the following nomination for [[WP:Editor of the Week|Editor of the Week]]:
+:Betterkeks has been an active editor since May of 2018. In that time they have added over 9000 edits with 91% in mainspace. They have been especially active at improving information at [[COVID-19 pandemic in Australia]] and [[Louis Giustiniani]]. A trusted, productive and helpful editor, Bettrkeks is a member in good standing at Wikipedians in Western Australia.
-:{{{nominationtext}}}
 You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
 <pre>{{User:UBX/EoTWBox}}</pre>