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Category:Hong Kong people of Lower Yangtze descent has been nominated for discussion

Category:Hong Kong people of Lower Yangtze descent has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you..

Requested move at Talk:Tai Tam Country Park (Quarry Bay Extension)#undefined

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tai Tam Country Park (Quarry Bay Extension)#undefined that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

IP changing Hong Kong place names to highly obscure ones

Hi all. There is a long-term IP-hopping anonymous editor persistently changing common Hong Kong place names to more obscure ones. Examples:

• Changing "Tuen Mun" to "Butterfly Beach" when referring to the area of southern Tuen Mun (rather than the beach of that name)
• Changing the common name "Wong Chuk Hang" to the obscure "Staunton Creek"
• Changing "Kowloon" to "New Kowloon"
• Changing the address of CityU from "83 Tat Chee Avenue" to the obscure "New Kowloon Inland Lot No. 5953 (RP)"
• Adding link to obscure place name "Tai Wo Ping" that simply redirects to the common Shek Kip Mei

As some of the above edits have escalated to editing disputes I feel it is more appropriate to discuss the issue here. My position is that using these obscure place names renders the encyclopedia inscrutable to the average reader. Also, some of these obscure place names appear to be WP:OR – names of geographic and hydrographic features are being applied to the surrounding human settlements, but without any evidence that the names are actually commonly used in this way.

This appears to be a long-term issue on Hong Kong articles, i.e. someone is digging up long-lost, unused names, or utilising names of unknown origin. Another example can be seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public housing estates in Ping Shan. I have no idea if the same individual is responsible.

Side note, I believe this IP is the same disruptive user responsible for Harbour Crossing Tunnel and related pages, as there is subject overlap in the editing history of some of the IP addresses (e.g. 203.218.155.184 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)). This person is presently talking to themselves (jumping from IP to IP) over at Talk:MTR. Citobun (talk) 04:46, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

For Tuen Mun South, for instance, the map cited indeed shows that the name Butterfly Beach refers to a much broader area than what remains the present-day beach. As for Tai Wo Ping that's an area to the north of what the locals would associate with the toponym Shek Kip Mei. The same is true for Chung Mei, which is how that area is named according to the people in the neighbourhood (perhaps less so for Staunton Creek; but that's a significant name in the territory's history). The general, lay audience of an encyclopedia would reasonably expect there would be matters unbeknown to them so there's no point to worry that such information could have gone so far to "render the encyclopedia inscrutable". The very existence of encyclopedias was meant to salvage bits and bits of human knowledge from getting drowned and buried. Stay cool, and be open to different ideas and the wisdom of the locals. 116.92.226.241 (talk) 13:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

For Tuen Mun, no, the annotation on the map relates to the beach. But the beach was longer at that time. The other names are obscure – why use them in place of the common neighbourhood name? Why would you change the street address of CityU to an incredibly obscure lot number??? Please stop unless you have a good reason to make these changes. Citobun (talk) 14:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

For Staunton Creek, see Talk:South Island Line (West). Tai Wo Ping certainly isn't "(highly) obscure". At least it isn't to the ears of those who have lived some years beneath the southern side of the Lion Rock (just as names like Ma Tai Chung, Ngau Chi Wan, San Po Kong or So Uk, which have been "abandoned" by the MTRCL or the Mass Transit Railway Corporation).

On a side note, Citobun does not appear to be adequately familiar with some Hong Kong topics, as this question in the edit summary may suggest.[1][2][3] See Talk:City University of Hong Kong#The Hongkong Standard. 203.145.95.32 (talk) 21:57, 8 November 2021 (UTC)