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March 2020

Thank you for your contributions. It seems that you may have added public domain content to one or more Wikipedia articles, such as Kosmos 111. You are welcome to import appropriate public domain content to articles, but in order to meet the Wikipedia guideline on plagiarism, such content must be fully attributed. This requires not only acknowledging the source, but acknowledging that the source is copied. There are several methods to do this described at Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain sources, including the usage of an attribution template. Please make sure that any public domain content you have already imported is fully attributed. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 12:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Good evening, what does This article incorporates text from this source, which is in the public domain. mean? and you have to do this for each reference, it must take a long time. And where do you take the names you assign to ref. as cosmos in Kosmos 111? Cordially. — CRS-20 (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Works of the US Government are in the public domain. That means that it's legal for us to copy their material unaltered. Wikipedia rules specify that we must say so when we have copied public domain works. Hence the template. Each time you copy from a public domain work you need to say so. Any name you like can be assigned to a named reference. — Diannaa (talk) 22:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Diannaa: What I did in Kosmos 111, is it good? — CRS-20 (talk) 23:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

It's okay I guess. If you want feedback or general advice, I suggest you visit the Teahouse. See the link at the top of this page.— Diannaa (talk) 23:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Ariel 6

@Kees08: The references 4a, 4b and 8 are dead. Cordially. — CRS-20 (talk) 04:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

It is a different type of citation; when you click it, it goes down to the references section and highlights the entry. When you click on the URL at that location, it will take you to Google Books, where, depending your location and other factors, you may be able to view the pages. Cheers. Kees08 (Talk) 06:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kees08: I merged Notes and References and there we can see. — CRS-20 (talk) 07:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

The way that it was is an acceptable form for the references, see WP:SFN for a bit more on it. I have reverted it back to that version. Kees08 (Talk) 14:34, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, it would be helpful if you left edit summaries explaining what you did when editing articles in the future. I want to undo some other edits but I have to go through them individually to figure out which ones they are. Kees08 (Talk) 14:36, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Progress MS-14

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Progress MS-14 moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Progress MS-14, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. - Flori4nKT A L K 01:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Flori4nK: I finished my draft, can you help me? Because he says that it will take 8 weeks and he says that there is another article of the same name, but it was I who created it, would you like to destroy this empty article? Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 03:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello CRS-20.

I've already nominated the redirect (Progress MS-14) for deletion.

Unfortunately, I can't delete it myself, as I don't have the necessary user rights.

You'll have to watch the page and will be able to move your draft to mainspace as soon as the name is free.

If this is your first article and you aren't sure if it's ready for mainspace, I'd recommend submitting it to WP:AFC and waiting for it to be reviewed.

Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! - Flori4nKT A L K 13:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Progress MS-14 (May 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sam-2727 was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Sam-2727 (talk) 22:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam-2727: This is the fourteenth in a series of 13 articles, from Progress MS-01 to Progress MS-13, this article is the continuation of the 13 others. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 23:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

CRS-20, you're right. I somehow didn't see those articles. While I disagree with the creation of those articles, I'm not here to hark on articles already created. I will accept the article. Sam-2727 (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Sam-2727 A very big thank you. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 00:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

ESA

@Diannaa: Is ESA in the public domain? Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's how to find out: go to their websaite https://www.esa.int/ → Terms and Conditions → Copyrights = NO. The answer is no.— Diannaa (talk)

@Diannaa: see https://www.esa.int/About_Us/ESA_Publications/Copyright and in my opinion, it is yes, if we don't sell them and if we don't use them for mercantile purposes. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

That is not a compatible license, because our CC-by license allows people to re-use our content for any purpose, including advertising and commercial use.— Diannaa (talk) 21:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Diannaa: OK, the problem is Wikipedia and not ESA. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:CRS-20 is consistently reverting my edits and accusing me of vandalism. Thank you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use edit summaries that are misleading, intentionally or not, you may be blocked from editing.

Let's be clear, removing blank spaces from infoboxes is not vandalism. Editors remove them in good faith. I understand why they do it, and I understand why other editors like all the parameters to line up nicely. Any further reversion of these edits under the pretext of vandalism will result in a block. Mjroots (talk) 07:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Mjroots might have mentioned the reason for their stern warning. At Wikipedia, "vandalism" has a precise definition given at WP:VAND. Further, assume good faith is policy and we must assume other editors are trying to improve the encyclopedia (until evidence shows otherwise, bearing in mind the definition of vandalism). Please stick to using edit summaries that describe why your edit is an improvement. Johnuniq (talk) 09:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: - I would have thought that it was obvious why the warning was issued, considering that the above post is in the section advising of the thread at ANI. The two are inextricably linked. The warning is to be read in conjunction with the thread at ANI and comments by other editors there. CRS-20, I confirm that Johnuniq's comments have my full endorsement. If you take the advice given, then this need go no further. Mjroots (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I don't mind giving him the best of intentions, but when it's been 4 times since you've reverted him in a few days, and he comes back again with the same fault, then I call it vandalism. MB calls him this: fix convert error, MB did 2 revert to Ultimograph5, he didn't understand or can't read English, so I said to myself that he must understand. (see View history) CRS-20 (talk) 10:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I've asked him to refrain from those edits. Hopefully he'll comply now that it has been explained that they are of little benefit, although not harmful per se. Mjroots (talk) 11:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I see what you mean now that those edits are of no benefit especially if they aren't showing up in the article. My concern was more with stuff like this, where I change an image's caption slightly and CRS-20 calls that vandalism. The infobox edits I can now understand being misconstrued as vandalism... but that image caption edit? Also, to CRS-20's point above that "I must understand" what I'm doing if you revert me a few times and I keep doing it - it would have been more helpful if in reverting my edits you would have explained why my edits were pointless instead of just saying "Vandalism" and leaving it at that. Anyway, now that I understand that removing blank spaces from infoboxes is silly, I won't be doing it anymore. Ultimograph5 (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks also for the good explanation of why using "vandalism" in an edit summary is not helpful. Johnuniq (talk) 22:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@CRS-20: ...then I call it vandalism... Please understand that at Wikipedia you will not call edits vandalism unless they satisfy Wikipedia's definition at WP:VAND (in brief, it's vandalism if someone replaces text with "poop"). Editors are blocked for misusing jargon after warnings. Please read my above message again. Johnuniq (talk) 22:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mjroots: @Johnuniq: I still have the same problem with Blackbirdxd for the structure of the infobox: Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. CRS-20 (talk) 22:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

You recently moved the article from Copernicus Sentinel-6 to Sentinel-6 Michael Frielich. Please do not undo edits without an explanation. "Edit unnecessary" is no help—what do you mean? I agree that there should be no edit warring over the alignment spaces in the infobox—Blackbirdxd why are you deleting those spaces? Are you doing that intentionally or is it some tool you're using? It's normal for infoboxes to have the equals signs lined up and you would need a very good reason to change that. I see there are substantive differences as well, but they would have to be resolved with discussion and by seeking participation from people watching a relevant wikiproject. At any rate, anyone disagreeing with edits must explain their objections on the article talk page. Johnuniq (talk) 02:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe the best was to settle this issue once and for all is by having a RFC to thrash the issue out. Would suggest that WT:MOSIBX is the best venue. Mjroots (talk) 06:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mjroots: @Johnuniq: I still have the same problem with Cohberg for the structure of the infobox: SpaceX CRS-21. CRS-20 (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I've dropped Cohberg a note. Now, how about starting that RFC? Mjroots (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mjroots: What does RFC mean? CRS-20 (talk) 10:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:Request for Comment, commonly abbreviated to RFC. Mjroots (talk) 10:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

­­@Mjroots: I still have the same problem with 69.120.159.106 for the structure of the infobox: Boeing Orbital Flight Test 2. CRS-20 (talk) 22:22, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Changing reference access dates to present day?

[1] Why? Leijurv (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Leijurv: Yes, I have access to the sites. CRS-20 (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay. But why are you changing the access date? They are meant to represent at what point in time the source was consulted. For example, it could be used with the internet archive to help with verifiability - if a site changes, knowing when it had that information is important if you'd like to verify the reference. Access date should not be randomly updated to the present day; only do that if you've added new content into the article from the source. Leijurv (talk) 03:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, what I wrote is not quite right, actually you can also update access-date if you verify that the URL does support what's written in the article. My bad. Leijurv (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Another incorrect change to a citation on Space Launch System

Please stop making find/replace changes to references. You're making quotes inaccurate to the source now. Previously it was breaking links to sources.

In this edit, you modified a quote from Congress as part of what looks like an automated script that changes the format of dates. The law passed in 2010 is quoted as not later than December 31, 2016 and you changed it to not later than 31 December 2016. I'm sure that that change wouldn't be a problem such as in a date= field or a access-date= field, but don't do that in a quote. Leijurv (talk) 20:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your work in Project Spaceflight

		The Vanstar
		For your work on Vanguard and other early space projects. Neopeius (talk) 14:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you've started from the beginning and are working your way forward! :) I'd love to work with you on more early spacecraft -- I have lots of material from 1966 and earlier, if you're interested! --Neopeius (talk) 14:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Neopeius: I agree. Cordially. :) CRS-20 (talk) 00:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

You can find me on the Discord server in the Spaceflight channel. From there, if you'd like to add me as a friend, I'll be happy to shoot you what I've got. --Neopeius (talk) 04:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Neopeius: What is Spaceflight channel? CRS-20 (talk) 04:26, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

If you click on this button, it will take you to the Wikipedia Discord (you'll want to install Discord on your computer; the app is better than the browser version). Scroll down on the left to English Wikiprojects and you'll see WPSPACEFLIGHT. If you post in there, I'll find you. :)

WP Discord Server

(turns out the invite was expired -- I have updated the button so it works now! :) ) --Neopeius (talk) 14:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

--Neopeius (talk) 17:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I see a problem...

While I appreciate rewriting citations so the date orders are consistent, the script you are using sets the access-date to the present day, which may be inaccurate. They should be preserved since they reflect when the article was looked up (and while you may be checking my work on Jonathan's Space Report, etc. I suspect you don't have an account to AvWeekly to check my work there). Can you confirm what's going on?

Thanks! --Neopeius (talk) 15:05, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Neopeius: I have an account with Aviation Week & Space technology. Cordially. CRS-20 (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, excellent. :) --Neopeius (talk) 00:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Luna 28 interplanetary parm

I see you reverted my edit to Luna 28. I removed the first two "interplanetary" parms because there can be only one of any given parm. When there are more than one, WP ignores all but the last, and gives an error at the top of the "Show preview" screen. Notice that with three "interplanetary"s, only the rover (the last one) shows in the Infobox. The proper way is to have only one "interplanetary", followed by as many "Infobox spaceflight/IP"s as needed.

See the documentation for Template:Infobox spaceflight. Also, Apollo 11 is a good example. Davemck (talk) 05:26, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@Davemck: Thank you. Very interesting this article (Template:Infobox spaceflight). Sorry for the undo. I corrected Luna 28. CRS-20 (talk) 06:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

PRIME-1

Nova-C is the lander. Intuitive Machines use it for the mission October 2021 [2] and December 2022 [3].

PRIME-1 (Polar Resources Ice Mining Experiment-1) is a payload of the lander Nova-C for the launch December 2022 [4].

Barny22 (talk) 17:21, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Manned Orbiting Laboratory

I saw that you reverted my edit in Manned Orbiting Laboratory. The article is supposed to be in american english. It is about an american subject and it says so in the line after the short description. Because of the removal of the line that I added, the box now contains the word pressurised with an s. This is inconsistent with the rest of the text and with american english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keesal (talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Do not add PD-Notice templates where text has not been copied verbatim. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

PD-notice is not for copied. See user Diannaa. CRS-20 (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes it is. Issuing a edit-warring warning. Do not re-add without consensus. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@CRS-20: Diannaa said if nothing was copied you do not need the attribution template earlier on this same page in November 2020. And the original explanation at the top of this page was That means that it's legal for us to copy their material unaltered. Wikipedia rules specify that we must say so when we have copied public domain works. Hence the template. Each time you copy from a public domain work you need to say so. Clearly, the template is only to be used when material is copied. So, PD-notice is not for copied. See user Diannaa. this is false. Diannaa said the opposite. PD-notice is for when we have copy pasted text verbatim from a source, but it is allowed because the source is public domain, so we explain what we did and why it's allowed by putting the template there. Leijurv (talk) 06:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Ways to improve PAS-3

Hello, CRS-20, Thank you for creating PAS-3.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

The satellite PAS-3 failed to launch. So this is a very important fact that is not mentioned. There also was a PAS-3R that replaced it. All this is mentioned in your reference!

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WikiProject Rocketry

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Italics

Hello, and thanks for your work here. Please be careful of removing italics, I just reitalicized the title and an infobox entry on Tranquility (ISS module) after they were removed during your good faith edits. Is this the only one or were their similar edits on other modules? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Just found another, Zvezda (ISS module). Can you please help reitalicize entries if you have a few minutes, thanks (and please notice that Space Shuttle names, such as Atlantis, are in italics, as are ISS module names. th.) Randy Kryn (talk) 12:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

And a whole crop of italics mistakes from your edits at Unity (ISS module). Please consider going over your past edits for italicization mistakes of Space Shuttle and ISS module names, lots of them seem to be popping up. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Have probably caught most of the module italics. Actually good to reread some of those pages, most people don't know that these modules were sent to the space station over time, interesting topics. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination

You have been nominated by WikiProject Rocketry to be Rocketry Editor if the Year. Please leave your comments at Wikipedia:WikiProject Rocketry/Rocketry Editor of the Year.

Details

Users have time to nominate other users until May 31 at 23:59 UTC (6:59pm EDT). Then, voting for users will last until July 30 at 23:59 UTC (6:59pm EDT). The Rocketry Editor of the Year will be announced on July 1. StarshipSLS (talk) 23:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Schedule Change:

Nominations: Ended

Voting: Until May 31 StarshipSLS (talk) 16:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Starlink

Why you reverted my edits? Barny22 (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Without refs CRS-20 (talk) 20:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

1. Total satellites launched: This is the sum of the tabele above. There is no ref necessary.

2. Deorbited (in the Table): The ref is at the top of the table. I taked a look on every for every launch to see the deorbited satellites and updated it. (Same method, as somebody made it on 19 January 2021, I only updated it). If you have a better Idea, please tell it me or implement it.

3. Total satellites deorbited: This is the sum of the tabele above. There is no ref necessary. I let the same ref as in 2. Deorbited.

4. Total satellites currently in orbit = Total satellites launched - Total satellites deorbited. There is no ref necessary.

5. Operational satellites Deorbited: As long as only deorbited satellites from one Orbital shells there are the Total satellites deorbited - the 2 test satellites. I let the same ref as in 2. Deorbited, because from there is the basic information.

6. Operational satellites On orbit = Total satellites launched - Total satellites deorbited - satellites in other orbits (This point somebody forgot again to remove). This are the maximum satellites who can be in this orbit. New launched satellites are in lower orbit and future deorbiting satellites also in lower orbit and both are no "Operational satellites". Here we need a discussion or a new ref frome where we can get this information (as latest SpaceX begin to fill next Orbital shells the current ref is useless).

Where you miss a ref? Barny22 (talk) 16:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

No answer is also an answer. I reincluded my changes. Barny22 (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

From where you have the number of deorbited satellites? Calculated from the "spaceflightnow.com"?

If yes: There are 1,677 launched satellites with the Saturday launch and "1,526 working Starlink satellites in orbit before Saturday’s mission". So the numbers of deorbited satellites are 1677 - 1526 - 52 = 99 deorbited satellites.

On the Constellation design and status you also have to remove the 2 test satellites (see above the table), so the numbers of deorbited satellites in this table has to be 97.

Barny22 (talk) 08:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes for 97. CRS-20 (talk) 17:19, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You added Starlink 29 and 30 with 550 km and 53.0°. As this Orbital shell shoult have enought satellites i think SpaceX will use another Orbit altitude and Inclination for the future flights.Barny22 (talk) 08:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You won!

Both you and @Neopeius are now the Rocketry Editors of the Year! Congratulations! You are one of only two editors who received the first ever Rocketry Editor of the Year award! A template will be given to you in the future. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 17:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I am very proud of this award. Thank you so much. CRS-20 (talk) 19:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Congrats, well deserved! Randy Kryn (talk) 03:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, and you are doing a great job too. CRS-20 (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Rocketry Editor of the Year

Rocketry Editor of the Year

You have received the Rocketry Editor of the Year award! Thank you for all your hard work in rocketry articles! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Rocketry Project)

StarshipSLS submitted the following nomination for Rocketry Editor of the Year:

I nominate @CRS-20: to be Rocketry Editor of the Year for outstanding contributions to rocketry articles for years.

Thanks again for your efforts! StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 14:14, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Palapa-C1 moved to draftspace

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Editing news 2021 #2

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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

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You can turn on "Discussion Tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

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00:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirection

Hi, it appears that you tried to create a redirect at Ofeq-16, but didn't do it correctly. I've fixed it now. For future reference, the correct redirect syntax is: #REDIRECT [[target page name]] You can check redirects with the Preview button before saving them. If you have created a working redirect, the preview will show the name of the target page alongside a bent arrow (or "Redirect to:" label in text mode). — Smjg (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Tank you very much. CRS-20 (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Can you be more careful please

Again, on Space Launch System. See what happened to the references on your revision of the page. On TOP of that, stop reverting me on Template:SLS_launches/future and LOOK at the effect you are causing on Space Launch System! Giant red errors everywhere, so don't do that okay? 02:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Please follow WP:BRD in the future. When I reverted your changes saying that you had broken another page, I wish you had thought "maybe that's correct". Instead you reverted me back within the minute, with no edit summary, and re-broke the SLS page.

If you're curious, it's because you moved the {{Reflist out of the <noinclude>, which caused a reflist to appear in the middle of the SLS page. "noinclude" means "this section shouldn't be included wherever this template is substituted into another page". Since we use reflist-defined references on that page, this overwrote about half the references over on the SLS page, since that template is substituted into the middle of the SLS page.

There's nothing I can do about this but ask you to not do that in the future, so, here I am, doing that. See you around. Leijurv (talk) 02:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

This edit is fine since it doesn't move the reflist out of the noinclude. Leijurv (talk) 02:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. CRS-20 (talk) 03:01, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

ProveIt and WP:CITEVAR

Rearranging the contents of refs and citation templates makes your diffs impossible to read. ProveIt puts Cite in upper case, other plugins put cite in lower case. Changing some of them from upper case to lower case or vice versa (without actually changing their cite template bodies, and without making all citations consistent to each other) is annoying, there's no reason to do it, and it makes your diffs harder to understand, so please don't. The next time someone with ProveIt touches the citation, it changes one way, the next time you or someone else using that dreaded 2017 wikitext editor messes with it, it changes the other way. Leijurv (talk) 02:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yet another request to be more careful

I really don't know what to say, other than to say it again: PLEASE look at what your edits are doing. Either use "Show preview" and visually look at what the outcome is, or just look after hitting publish changes. In this one, you added an extra ]], so the image caption is dumped into the body of the article. You can see it right after the "Construction" heading: tank for Artemis 2 under construction, as of August 2020]]. This is on top of the constant changes you make to spacing, newlines, the order of citation template fields, that buries what you actually changed among a whole bunch of nothing. It's quite frustrating. Leijurv (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Same thing, again

In this one, you changed a bunch of spacing and template capitalizations and such. I cannot for the life of me tell why? But anyway you changed "Cvt" to "cvty", which doesn't exist, so now the SLS Block 1 payload mass to TLI renders as Template:Cvty instead of 27 metric tons (60,000 lb) like it should.

You replied to me just a few hours ago, can you reply again please? To this question: why do you make all of these changes to "cvt" versus "Cvt", "cite" versus "Cite", spaces in the refs, spaces in the cites, the order of the cites? None of them actually do anything. The page ends up the same. It makes your diffs incredibly annoying to read but I read them anyway since buried in them is commonly one actual mistake among a bunch of changes that do nothing. Leijurv (talk) 07:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Esthetic CRS-20 (talk) 07:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

cvty is my error CRS-20 (talk) 07:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I really wish you wouldn't. I don't agree with your aesthetic. The point of why we're here is for the encyclopedia as it is read. Please read WP:COSMETICBOT and WP:MEATBOT. Making these kinds of cosmetic changes annoys everyone else and doesn't make the encyclopedia better. The problem is that I can't trust that the edit is JUST cosmetic, so I always have to read the whole thing. If I could trust that the edit was good, there would be no issue. And if you ONLY made the actual edit (not all the cosmetic fluff), that would also be okay. Leijurv (talk) 07:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Cosmetic

A cosmetic edit is an edit that doesn't make the page look any different. It's an edit that has no effect, to a reader of Wikipedia. This edit IS cosmetic, because even though you added a blank line, it doesn't actually make the resulting article have any more or less space between those sections. Source: WP:COSMETICBOT. Agreed? Leijurv (talk) 08:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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Addition of Template:PD-notice

I see you are still adding Template:PD-notice to every source cited to NASA. Please stop. Four other editors (myself, Diannaa, Hawkeye7, Eleuther) explained this to you, on this page, 6 months ago, see here and here.

Just to make it perfectly clear. This entire misunderstanding comes from here, in which Diannaa told you That means that it's legal for us to copy their material unaltered. Wikipedia rules specify that we must say so when we have copied public domain works. Hence the template. Each time you copy from a public domain work you need to say so. This is correct and accurate. When a source is public domain, such as something written by NASA, it is legal for you to copy/paste text from it into Wikipedia. (it is not legal to do so if the source is not public domain) When you do this, copying and pasting text, you have to put in Template:PD-notice in order to properly attribute where the text came from, so as to not claim it as your own.

You seem to have misinterpreted Diannaa's advice, and refused corrections from four other editors over more than a year, see here and here. Your interpretation appears to be that any source cited to NASA must have this template. This is not correct. Diannaa did not tell you to do this. You misinterpreted. What you do with this template is actually highly misleading and does not comply with Wikipedia's copyright policy, to mark every single NASA source as PD-notice. When you add PD-notice, such as in this most recent example, it puts the text This article incorporates text from these sources, which is in the public domain on every NASA source. This is untruthful, misattributes copyright, and you really should stop. It says that some of the text in the article was copy/pasted from that source, when that isn't actually true. This template should only be added if you can see evidence that nontrivial passages of text have been copy/pasted into the article verbatim. Leijurv (talk) 17:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Killing of Gabby Petito

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

1. 03:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC) "/* ref tags */"
2. 03:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC) "/* ref tags */"
3. 03:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC) "/* ref tags */"
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Je n'étais pas en ligne. CRS-20 (talk) 20:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)