Talk:Libreboot

New fork -- LibreCore

According to https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librecore-Formation a conflict between Leah Rowe and several of the contributors resulted in release of yet another blob-free CoreBoot fork, LibreCore, focusing on non-x86 hardware. Please, reflect that in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.220.29.185 (talk) 01:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2017

Change repository URLs from https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot to https://notabug.org/libreboot/libreboot 151.51.216.154 (talk) 11:00, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 11:31, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

There are more wrong links to fix in the page. Not all wrong links have been replaced!

These are now fixed. Arzg (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Update history

See https://libreboot.org/news/unity.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arzg (talk • contribs) 06:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Rewording the History section

The "History" section only discusses one thing, namely a series of public accusations made in 2016 by a single person who was at the time "struggling with gender dysphoria and substance abuse".[1] That person has now apologised.[2][3] I don't know what BLP says about this but I'm guessing we are advised not to give excessive weight to something that exposes someone's personal problems and where the level of detail isn't necessary for the subject of the article/section.

So I'm going to condense it and change the order so it no longer presents controversial accusations at the start and waits until the end to mention that it's all over now.

I hope someone can expand the section in general to be more representative of the project's history. Great floors (talk) 14:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

It would be nice if there was other info about history of the project but to my knowledge these events are the only noteworthy things. I would be careful of undermining their importance as they did cause a very big impact on how the project public image. Keyakakushi46 (talk) 15:27, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok. I'm nearly finished my edit. Most of the details are still there. I removed the names, but they're in the references so nothing's being covered up. I'll save my changes in a few minutes. Let me know what you think. Great floors (talk) 15:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I made one pretty minor correction to the wording, otherwise this seems good. Keyakakushi46 (talk) 15:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Great. Great floors (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

"Open Source" wording

I know it's a mouthful, but if you search the libreboot project webpage, there's almost no mention of "open source" without "free and open source" or "free/libre and open source." I think this article should avoid the use of the term "open source" without the "free" qualifier, because it indicates an important (although debatable) philosophical difference between the two terms.

47.187.168.176 (talk) 12:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Libreboot and Minifree Websites are offline

Archives can be found here https://web.archive.org/web/20190809073647/https://www.libreboot.org/

and here https://web.archive.org/web/20190824082232/https://minifree.org/

Vbachem (talk) 16:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

"Security concerns" section

How is that related to Libreboot itself, except for the fact its members suspected them? K4rolB (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Upstream

@Nemo bis: ... "upstream kernel" was already used in 1998. And that's only what I could find with a 2 minute search." What are you objecting here? The term isn't new, but in the context of git it bears some technical meaning which should be clarified. The GIT glossary has some details on specifics. --AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 21:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Reliable sources

I see User:PhotographyEdits has been cleaning up the primary sources and undue information -- this is great.

I notice the article relies on unreliable sources. 15 of 30 refs at the time of writing are to Phoronix, which Wikipedia considers generally unreliable. Another 7 or so are from self-published primary sources. This may raise notability and undue weight questions. It might make sense to move the information to the libreboot section on coreboot.

As an aside "Libreboot made possible the required modifications for completely free software variants of some... Chromebook... laptops" is POV at best... The RK3288 chromebooks in question already shipped with coreboot. Libreboot objected to Google's branding embedded in the firmware (the Chrome logo), not the software itself.

(COI disclosure: I was briefly involved with Libreboot in 2017.) -Arzg (talk) 13:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Arzg, good to know, I wasn't aware of WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_281#Phoronix. I think that it still meets the notability bar with Linux Journal, Linux Magazin and Hackaday. But merging might be better. I will open a merge proposal, then we can hopefully reach some consensus on what is the best option. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Arzg See: Talk:Coreboot#Merger_proposal PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Reliable sources, alternative proposal

I do not think the Libreboot article should be merged with coreboot. Instead, the Libreboot article should be improved. Find more reliable sources (there are plenty), and cite them in the article.

Earlier, it was suggested that the FSF would not be a reliable source because Libreboot was once a GNU project, but this is ridiculous. Libreboot made a clear and unprecedented attack against GNU in 2016, and Leah went pretty nuts. If you ask Leah (libreboot founder) about it, she'll tell you nowadays that she made up, but that's just her word for it. If you actually analyze the FSF since 2016, they have barely helped promote Libreboot and have instead promoted individual companies selling Libreboot systems, but they have largely sidestepped Libreboot itself. One of the citations in the Libreboot article was an FSF tweet, but it was just that, a tweet. FSF didn't issue a press release or anything. Libreboot and the FSF have almost nothing to do with each other nowadays.

I regard PhotographyEdits's edits earlier as vandalism, but I do agree that the Libreboot article needs improvement. I think we should be discussing ways to improve that instead. I reverted all of PhotographyEdits's edits, but do agree that the Phoronix citation links should be removed again. I don't object to those being removed, but PhotographyEdits has used those and one or two other sources as justification to redirect the entire article, without first proposing to search for other sources.

Please help improve the Libreboot article, instead of destroying it. Thanks.

You don't know me. I'm anonymous. Don't answer me, just answer my counter-proposal. Thanks.