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Duncan Edwards

Why don't you go check the source and check if they have made a mistake.

I removed source because it was wrong, I clearly explained how it was wrong. Yet, you still reroll it.

Duncan Edwards is the grandson of Hannah Edwards née Harrington. Her sister is Beatrice Stevens née Harrington. Dennis Stevens is the son of Beatrice. You have a generation gap back to common ancestor. Dennis Stevens is Duncan Edwards first cousin once removed. If you do not know anything about ancestry then pay a genealogist to tell you that I'm right at that source is wrong! I do not do this editing stuff and do not care to learn, but if I know something is wrong then I will change it. And if the editing is done by people who keep reverting back to source material that is clearly wrong then what good is this wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.64.4 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hello IP :)! When we make changes to articles on Wikipedia it is policy to add a reliable source to such changes. In this case you did not provide a source that confirmed the information you were trying to provide. If you have a source for what you are claiming then please provide that source. Once your additions/removals were reverted you should have taken it to the articles Talk Page and provided your source. This is how we verify what is trying to be added or removed from the article. Reverting it again to a state that you feel is correct implies ownership which is against Wikipedia policy. If you want the information you are providing to be included then please start a new section on the article talk page. If you have any issues with editing or would like to learn more then I encourage you to see the Teahouse. --ARoseWolf 17:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I opened dialogue for you, IP, to add your sources. If sources are not added to verify the claims then the information needs to be reverted to a more stable position of the article which is sourced to the information provided. --ARoseWolf 18:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

IP, looks like ARoseWolf has explained everything perfectly. Thank you very much, ARoseWolf. Much appreciated. I don't have anything more to add to that. Please feel free to provide a reliable source that supports the information you want to add to the article. You can use the talk page thread to discuss any further issues with the article. Happy editing! --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How do people get it through to you people ARoseWolf & Ashleyyoursmile ? The source in which you are stating for the relationship between Duncan and Dennis is wrong. The actual source is wrong, because it is said in a book or newspaper column that Dennis Stevens is the first cousin of Duncan Edwards that does not make that source correct. The author of that material is wrong, yet you are reverting back to a statement that is wrong in a source. That newspaper column is wrong, base likely on the fact that the information is irrelevant at that time of writing and that the space in a newspaper is at a premium.

Now, I know the source material. birth certificates, marriage certificates, etc, for said family are located at Dudley Archives. I have viewed them all personally, I come from a genealogist background and have studied various family trees over many years at Dudley Archives. I can tell you and prove it from a genealogical point of view, that the information you keep reverting back to and that source material is wrong. I do not know of a book source, or newspaper source that can verify what I am telling you, I do not even think it is mentioned in Jim Cadman's latest book. So... where do we go from here? I have worked with various people and family members of the Edwards family over the last 5 years.

This is the family link... Duncan Edwards was born 1936 to Gladstone and Sarah Ann Edwards née Harrison. His parents were married in 1933. Gladstone's mother is Hannah Edwards née Harrington who was born in 1871 and her sister Beatrice who was born in 1888. Their parents were Thomas and Elizabeth Harrington née Hadley. There are other children in this relationship, but we will focus on the key ones Hannah and Beatrice. Beatrice married James Stevens in 1909 and Dennis Stevens was born in 1933 from this relationship. Dennis has various brothers and sisters, but again we will stick to the key people. Can you see how there is a generation gap between Duncan and Dennis? The common ancestor is Hannah Harrington, this makes Dennis Stevens first cousin once removed of Duncan Edwards and not cousin, Gladstone Edwards on the other hand and Dennis Stevens are cousins, because Beatrice Stevens née Harrington is Gladstone's Auntie. If you can find a source other than me for this information, good luck to you. I know of a possible book that will contain it in the future. I can not see the reason why you continue to use a source for article that is wrong. In the interest of accuracy it would be better to leave it out completely, but where would that leave your articles?

So, tell me where do we go from here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesHadleyTM (talk • contribs) 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the book/newspaper column, where the information you are saying is mentioned, at Talk:Duncan Edwards#Content Dispute. Any further discussion related to this page should take place there. All content on Wikipedia must be verifiable and must have been published previously by a reliable source. Personal analysis, beliefs, or views of editors should not be added to articles simply because they consider them to be correct and editors may not remove sources' views from articles just because they disagree with them. Please see our policies on Verifiability and no original research. --Ashleyyoursmile! 06:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Techinically, the source is not wrong. They are cousins, even if what you say is correct. You are just trying to add information that adds further descriptors to what is there. The fact that the current source of the information leaves out "first" before "cousin" does not change that the source calls them cousins. If you want to have that altered then lets discuss it and try to find a reliable source for your information. It must be published somewhere in a reliable independent secondary source, as pointed out by Ashley, to fulfill the basic criteria. Your firsthand knowledge of documents which reveal this is, unfortunately, not permissible as a source per encyclopedic policies. --ARoseWolf 17:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Ashleyyoursmile, this was an SPA with a clear agenda to disregard Wikipedia policies to alter information they felt was inaccurate by any means. They stated on their talk page they were brought here by the family or a family friend which indicates a clear COI to which they refuse to properly disclose. They arbitrarily declared the dispute over before it had concluded and have seemingly retired having only edited two articles, both related to the subject that they were brought here to make changes to. This is a clear case of the family feeling they own the article on Duncan and this SPA being their spokesperson to affect said change. If you look at the source they provide with their information, it is not written in the voice of the publication but a source who makes the claim with seemingly no editorial oversight and no further explanation of where the information came from. The SPA mentioned family records but can not provide those records or an independent source which publishes those records. We can not roll back the changes to the article without rolling back good faith edits that were made after the fact by other editors. This should have been properly discussed on the talk page but the SPA refused to discuss the changes only stating that they are right and we are wrong because they just are and we need to accept that. The content is not so much the issue as this flies in the face of every good faith editor who follows the rules, including those with a stated COI. --ARoseWolf 14:10, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, thank you for bringing this to my attention. As you pointed out, and from what they wrote on their talk page, they seem to have a COI with the subjects, and the source isn't entirely independent. I agree that such a disputed source should not be used in the article. --Ashleyyoursmile! 14:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

We now have James returning as the IP and pretending to be someone else or we have someone new taking over the former IP. This IP added the retired template to James' talk page and then tried to have it deleted stating that they revoke our use of their name. They have a very common misconception that they own their user page and talk page just as they seemingly had a misconception that they represented the Edwards family which owned the article on Duncan and could therefore make changes and it had to be accepted because they are the expert and are close to the family. I have not responded to their comments on the articles talk page (See Talk:Duncan Edwards#Content Dispute). --ARoseWolf 20:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf, thank you for monitoring the page. Much appreciated. It appears that admins Explicit and Liz have since declined their talk page speedy deletion requests. I looked at the talk page discussion, and also checked the edit history of article. Since both the IP and the account are not edit-earring on the article, I don't see the need of any further action at this time. --Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 10:03, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Munly Jay Munly

Hello, you recently left a message concerning the editing of the page titled Jay Munly-which is technically incorrect. I am a relation; I can speak with certainty that his name is Munly Jay Munly. The article cited is simply incorrect and was most likely sourced unreliably...as are other portions of the article. I hope this is enough information and will now be left to remain as correct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:282:d00:e710:4146:69d8:c77f:f142 (talk • contribs)

About the Dharampal Wiki entry ...

Mr Justiyaya, after all the discussion of July 3rd, 2021, which established the fact that there were no Copyright violations because the tool threw up common phrases, titles, authors and descriptions as infractions, it was decided that I would not face any impediments in making some stylistic changes and publishing them as the new Wiki Entry. However, I find that the changes have been reversed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joshua_Jonathan. What can I do about this? Can you please let me know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jksuresh (talk • contribs) 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Impersonation account

FYI... Ashly your smile (talk · contribs), now blocked. -- Longhair\^talk 06:33, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Longhair, thank you for handling this. Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 07:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you please block this IP

User:49.178.48.211; for vandalism and personal attacks.----Rdp060707|talk 07:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

The user is now blocked by User:Longhair.----Rdp060707|talk 07:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Glad about the block. --Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 07:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Request

I am not inbolved in edit war for the page Uthiyur. I am trying hard so that wikipidea get good content. Please remove only contents which are not accordance with the rules. Please dont revert everything — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.92.42.81 (talk • contribs) 26 July 2021 (UTC)

You are edit warring. You keep changing it back to how you think the article should be, although most of the sources do not constitute as reliable. --Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

User talk:104.235.103.116

Sorry. Accidentally removed your block notice somehow. Restored it complete with your original sig. Meters (talk) 05:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Meters, no problem. I have removed their TPA. Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 05:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Don't know why I didn't get an ec notice... Meters (talk) 05:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Gun Bergman

On 28 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gun Bergman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Gun Bergman produced the Swedish translation of Nobel laureate Ivo Andrić's best-known work, The Bridge on the Drina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gun Bergman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Gun Bergman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Revoking TPA

Hello Ashleyyoursmile, could you please revoke the TPA of Centre For Trade and Investment Law (talk · contribs)? Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 15:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Pahunkat, it appears that they are now using their talk page to make unblock requests, so I don't think there is any need to remove TPA. Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 19:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, that's good to hear - don't see much hope in their unblock requests so far but at least they've stopped spamming. Pahunkat (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Pahunkat, indeed. :) Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 09:33, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Help

Recently you declined my Roll back permission . Reason " you haven't disclose my past account தனீஷ் . How can I disclose my past account . Please help to disclose Ram Dhaneesh (talk) 07:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Ram Dhaneesh, that was only a part of the reason why your request was declined. Rollback is generally granted to users who have shown a measurable track record of counter-vandalism work. Admins like to see some experience in reverting vandalism and warning the vandals, and also their understanding of good faith and vandalism edits. A good place to start is to read WP:VAND, WP:AGF, WP:WARN, and start patrolling the recent changes log to detect these edits, revert them and then warn the vandal. You could start doing it manually at first and then switch over to automated tools such as Twinkle or RedWarn. You could also try looking into the WP:CVUA to learn more about the correct approaches in combating vandalism on Wikipedia. There are experienced instructors to guide you through the process. After gathering more experience in counter-vandalism, please make another request for the permission at WP:PERM/R. Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 09:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Chi Mat Ba Ram

On 31 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chi Mat Ba Ram, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that although "Chi Mat Ba Ram", the title of the song by Brave Girls, translates to "the swish of a skirt" in Korean, a term that is often used negatively, the song is about the fierceness in women? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chi Mat Ba Ram. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Chi Mat Ba Ram), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

August songs

Thank you for articles like this! My 12th today, DYK? I decorated, also for a birthday. Songs invite to more music, places, food and flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, very honoured to write such articles. Your talk page décor is looking great. :) Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 17:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Today: 2 interesting DYK (I think), sadly 2 who died (on top of 2 from Poland yesterday), and a concert in which Daniel Barenboim just played piano, - and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). For your smile --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

a barnstar for you!

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	Ashleyyoursmile Thank you for your additions July 2021 WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! --Ashleyyoursmile (talk) 05:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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I came across Kongu Vellalar after many months and I found User:TheBrokenTusk (now blocked for abusing socks) has added a section "Varna classification" where the account mistakenly added about another community called Vellalar. Also the a word "bhu-vaishya" is added in the etymology without proof. I request you to remove it because the account is a sock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4072:308:6c14:bedd:a39f:1715:2777 (talk • contribs) 08:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

:O How dare you, AnomieBOT! I beat you to the punch and you overrode my edit. You know this, of course, means war (lol)!! :P --ARoseWolf 17:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

How would I reference this?

You recently flagged the following comment as being without references:

Currently (2021) seven out of the ten constructor teams in Formula 1 are based close to London in an area centred around Oxford. Ferrari is the only constructor which produces road cars and Formula 1 cars at the same site, which is also the company Headquarters, in Maranello, Italy. The Alpha Tauri team is based close to Ferrari in Faenza, whilst the Alpha Romeo team is based near Zurich in Switzerland.

Although the location of team HQ's is common knowledge in F1 circles, I did check the information using the Wikipedia page 'List of Formula 1 constructors'. Of course citing that page would be self referential, so I thought I would see how that page referenced the source of information. It didn't.

One possibility would be to include links to the individual teams websites, but that would be 10 links. Would that be appropriate?

The reason I added this note is that whilst Formula 1 is an international sport with races and drivers from all over the world, the teams themselves come from a very limited area. I think it's relevant and worth noting, and it is verifiable. But it is also an 'original' observation. Maybe then it is not appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.94.115.69 (talk) 11:23, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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