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Request name Motions Initiated Votes
Personal Attack with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise   24 February 2019 0/6/0
CONSTANT HARASSMENT BY Future Perfect at Sunrise   26 February 2019 0/0/0
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Personal Attack with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise

Initiated by Stevepeterson (talk) at 15:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

I tried to explain that I feel insulted and disgraced but he kept attacking me even in his response to my attempts

I also informed him about my request for arbitration here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=884871909&oldid=884754576

Statement by Stevepeterson

In a discussion in Talk:North_Macedonia I expressed my opinion that wikipedia should adhere to the recently signed Prespa agreement between North Macedonia and Greece in favour of peace in wikipedia. User User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise disagreed with me and personally attacked me repeatedly using disgracing words:

you really ought to leave this discussion to others who are competent speakers of English and don't have tin ears.

And: you really need to shut up and learn some English and some proper grammatical terminology before you expose your incompetence further here. It's getting quite embarrassing to watch.

Later, he offended all editors by trying to collapse the whole conversation claiming "Embarrassing display of linguistic incompetence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:North_Macedonia&diff=884847688&oldid=884847206

Response to statement by User
power~enwiki : I've never proposed that wikipedia should publish the sentence "the Greek and North Macedonia's Prime Ministers". In the discussion page I shared my opinion that we should use the term "North Macedonia's" as an adjective to the State's name: North Macedonia. Poor English or not, this (along with "of North Macedonia") is the adjective recommended by "the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of North Macedonia". The Greek / Macedonia's PM example was introduced by Fut.Perf to demonstrate that adherence to Prespa would lead to bad English
Response to statement by User
Softlavenderm, Dave: Thank you all for your comments and advice. I have already created a threat at ANI. How can I close this case?

Statement by Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise

Statement by SN54129

Hi, Stevepeterson, if you could withdraw this request for arbitration, it would save you and everyone else a lot of time. It's not going to be accepted, because you haven't utilised any other form of dispute resolution process—which is a requirement for a case to be accepted here; if you believe it t be in the project's best interests, I suggest you file a complaint for the community to consider (at an administrators' noticeboard) the merits of your case. It likely that you will then be told that you have no case; but, at least you will not have had to initiate these proceedings to that find out. Happy editing otherwise! ——SerialNumber54129 16:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by power~enwiki

This isn't entirely frivolous, but I agree with SN54129 that an ANI thread would have been a better forum.

Fut.Perf's comments are a bit harsh, though his point that Stevepeterson's English is not perfect is based on clear evidence in that thread. Several other editors have pointed out more politely that referring to the Greek and North Macedonia's prime ministers is not a grammatical construction Wikipedia should use. Neither poor English nor mild incivility justify a case.

Unless the committee feels that the various disputes regarding Wikipedia's treatment of the Prespa agreement won't be resolved through the currently-open RFCs, this should not become a case. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:29, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Softlavender

Stevepeterson, those are personal attacks and quite odd behavior from an administrator, but your complaint does not belong here, because ArbCom is the very last port of call in any unresolved dispute, not the first. If you cannot work it out on Fut Perfect's usertalk page and get him to strike the attacks, then the place to file a complaint would be WP:ANI. Or, alternatively, possibly WP:AN, but ANI is the usual spot. Do be aware, however, that if you file a complaint anywhere, your behavior will be scrutinized too, so you might be subject to a boomerang result if it is determined you have acted much more poorly than Fut. Perfect. Softlavender (talk) 22:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by GMG

Administrators are expected to lead by example and to behave in a respectful, civil manner in their interactions with others. GMGtalk 23:50, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Dave

Stevepeterson Like everyone's said above it may be a wiser choice to withdraw this and go to ANI, I do agree those comments are harsh but this isn't the place to complain about it, Your best bet is ANI. –Davey2010Talk 23:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Cryptic

Now at WP:CESSPIT#Repeated Personal Attacks with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise. —Cryptic 02:01, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Well, now WP:CESSPIT's been nominated for deletion again, so the section link's inconveniently broken. You'll have to go through WP:MORDOR#Repeated Personal Attacks with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise instead.) —Cryptic 02:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(Fine. WP:Dramaboard#Repeated Personal Attacks with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise. Nobody who wants to follow up on this should have to wade through the entire page.) —Cryptic 03:05, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Beyond My Ken

Obviously, this needs be dealt with at AN/I and not here. OP needs to be more clueful that their command of English is not as good as they believe it to be. FPAS might consider softening their tone a bit. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Robert McClenon

All of the silly redirects for WP:ANI have been nominated for deletion. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_25#Wikipedia:ANNIE By the way, I concur with non-acceptance of this would-be case, and with cautions to the OP, and to FPAS. I have known FPAS to use overbearing language in the past, but it is such that the best remedy is to snap back. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by slatersteven

There is an ANI [[1]], .\Slatersteven (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

Personal Attack with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise: Clerk notes

This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
  •  Clerk note: A majority of active arbitrators have voted to decline this case request, and the filer has indicated their intention to withdraw. This request will be archived when it is 48 hours old. Bradv🍁 17:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Attack with disgracing insults by Future Perfect at Sunrise: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/6/0>

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)

CONSTANT HARASSMENT BY Future Perfect at Sunrise

Initiated by Stevepeterson (talk) at 16:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • [diff of notification Future Perfect at Sunrise]
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_Personal_Attacks_with_disgracing_insults_by_Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise

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Statement by Stevepeterson

In a discussion in Talk:North_Macedonia I expressed my opinion that wikipedia should adhere to the recently signed Prespa agreement between North Macedonia and Greece in favour of peace in wikipedia. Specifically I shared my opinion that wikipedia could adopt term "North Macedonia's" as an adjective to the State's name: North Macedonia. This (along with "of North Macedonia") is the adjective recommended by "the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of North Macedonia". Admin User User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise has expressed that this would lead to poor English grammar and he is an advocate of the term Macedonian as the adjective of North Macedonia. As the discussion with other users went on he started to personally attack me using disgracing words and insults such as:

you really ought to leave this discussion to others who are competent speakers of English and don't have tin ears.

And: you really need to shut up and learn some English and some proper grammatical terminology before you expose your incompetence further here. It's getting quite embarrassing to watch.

Later, he offended all participants in the discussion by trying to collapse the whole conversation claiming "Embarrassing display of linguistic incompetence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:North_Macedonia&diff=884847688&oldid=884847206

I tried to explain that I feel insulted and disgraced so he should stop this behaviour by posting on his talk page:

I would like to inform you that I consider your "you really ought to leave this discussion to others who are competent speakers of English and don't have tin ears." a Derogatory comment and personal attack to me. .

His response had no regret or apology: You don't need to inform me of that. What you do need to do, however, is to learn how to use talk pages. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=884735657&oldid=884730558

I brought to to ANI but I received so many personal insults there by Administrators biased towards USER:Future Perfect at Sunrise. There not only did he make the reported comments, he doubled down by linking to an article discussing people of low ability [who] have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize this basic lack of ability.. I have not been rude neither at the ANI nor at the initial discussion page so there should be no action to be taken against me. USER:Future Perfect at Sunrise on the other hand, has selected a telling link (against himself). He says There's never a nice way of telling an incompetent person that they are incompetent which is extremely inappropriate. FP@S has hidden a discussion on my talk page and I believe that his action (WP:INVOLVED is a misuse of the revision deletion tool. The insults I received made lose control of the ANI and instead of a resolution of the conflict with USER:Future Perfect at Sunrise, I am now proposed for Site Ban.

Statement by Future Perfect at Sunrise

Statement by Khajidha

While Future Perfect's wording was extreme, the fact remains that you demonstrate a lack of proficiency in the use of the English language. Especially considering that the argument is about proper English usage. You have been told numerous times, by numerous people, that the phrasing you wish to use is not proper English. You continue to argue based on your mistaken definitions (possessive nouns are NOT adjectives) and seem to refuse to learn from the grammar lessons that everyone is trying to give you. You even engaged in emotional blackmail (see this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Stevepeterson&oldid=885173108), insinuating that you were contemplating suicide based on your treatment here and that others in similar situations in the future may also contemplate such actions. The proposed ban is MORE than earned. --Khajidha (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Legacypac

The filer is about to be CBAN'd at ANi so nothing needs to be done on this request except close it for they will not be able to participate. Legacypac (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by {Non-party}

Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.

CONSTANT HARASSMENT BY Future Perfect at Sunrise: Clerk notes

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CONSTANT HARASSMENT BY Future Perfect at Sunrise: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0>

Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)

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