Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

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• Radisson Hotel Group → Rezidor Hotel Group (move · discuss) – move back to previous article title and prepare to split the article. "Radisson Hospitality AB " formerly Rezidor Hotel Group , was only one of the company of the new group Radisson Hotel Group, the other one was Radisson Hospitality Inc, formerly Carlson Hotels. It should have 3 articles for Carlson Hotels until the rename and merge, for Rezidor Hotel Group until the rename and merge, and the new entity Radisson Hotel Group Matthew hk (talk) 05:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

  If the five articles you speak of are written; forming a group of articles, which title (of the five) would be the parent with the other four being subordinate?--John Cline (talk) 08:03, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

It only need 3, Radisson Hotel Group (redirect from Radisson Hospitality AB and Radisson Hospitality, Inc), Rezidor Hotel Group and Carlson Hotels (may worth to merge back to Carlson Companies). Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group should be redirect to Radisson Hotel Group. Matthew hk (talk) 08:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

For subordinate, i don't want to touch the mess of Radisson Blu and Radisson Hotels yet. But Rezidor Hotel Group and Carlson Hotels should be stand-alone articles for "defunct" company, as their corporate identities were stripped to became Radisson Hospitality AB and Radisson Hospitality Inc, the legal names of Radisson Hotel Group. The "parent article " of Carlson Hotels should be Carlson Companies, while Rezidor Hotel Group had no "parent article", as it was owned by SAS and then Carlson Hotels (increase from just 25% to 50%). Matthew hk (talk) 08:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Matthew hk, I appreciate this overview. I may be missing something but it seems to me that these page forks more properly spinoff the article as it is currently titled where the bulk of the page's history will also remain. Moving the whole page history to "Rezidor Hotel Group" to then spinoff topics more congruently spun from "Radisson Hotel Group" (now with a one line page history) frankly seems counter intuitive, especially if Rezidor will ultimately be redirected back to Radisson after all else; ending up with seriously disjointed page histories for reasons that remain unclear to me. I'm not raising a contest because the confusion may be solely my own, but if anyone else is unclear, it may be best to discuss the move first. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 09:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

it did not need to redirect the final pages to Radisson Hotel Group, as Rezidor Hotel Group should be a seperate article for the defunct brand. I.e. chopping the content for the same legal entity by two different brands. As Radisson is yet another brand that shared with former Carlson Hotels (which i think put the content of Carlson Hotels in Carlson Companies is fairly enough). For the mess of page history, yes it may need a split after COI editor just move the page and change the main text from one to another , and without any citation at all. Matthew hk (talk) 10:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

And after checking International Directory of Company Histories , it refer Carlson Companies as travel and hospitality company, so it seem no need to split the content as a stand alone article Carlson Hotels, and instead two articles are needed. Radisson Hotel Group (Carlson–Rezidor, former division of Carlson Companies) and Rezidor Hotel Group (aka Rezidor–SAS, former division of SAS Group and then a stand alone hotel group). Matthew hk (talk) 11:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)