User talk:Primefac

please retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement

Hi Primefac,

Noted that you have deleted the article "Chow Tai Fook Jewellery Group", kindly help to retrieve it for improvement. Will take out those advertising words. Thanks a lot.

Kittychan1132 (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done. The page has been restored to Draft:Chow Tai Fook Jewellery Group. Primefac (talk) 11:29, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

yes, my mistake. Sorry! Bondboy9756 (talk) 03:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, thanks for your help. Kittychan1132 (talk) 02:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Dancing with the Stars Participants

Hi, um .... Why did you delete the Dancing with the Stars Participants category. There was a POV discussion that was placed and everyone voted in favor for it to be listed. Why did you think you had the audacity to remove the whole thing. Clearly you were unaware of what took place and a discussion about it.Welcometothenewmillenium (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

List is here.. (talk page watcher) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Primefac needs to spend a lot more of their time deleting Featured Lists...  :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 10:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I only did that once, and it was by accident... Primefac (talk) 12:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcometothenewmillenium, as Galobtter has said, the list of participants exists and thus the category was emptied and deleted. I was very aware of the deletion discussion, because it's how I knew the category was up for deletion in the first place. If you feel the discussion was improper and should be revisited, Deletion Review is the way to proceed, not simply ignoring the overwhelming consensus and re-adding pages to the category yourself. Primefac (talk) 12:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Was just making sure you just didn't make changes out of being spiteful and not considering a consensus discussion. I too voted on that discussion and was wide aware of the result. Majority said List. That does not necessarily mean but I think I see what you did. There was already a list so no need for a category. I will go back and double check but I do not think everyone voted in favor for the category to be deleted. Everyone just want a list to be created. We can keep the category without having a list since there is already a list. If majority said delete I think delete would have been the perfect outcome.Welcometothenewmillenium (talk) 05:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Read the result of the discussion, which was "listify and delete", is the only thing that matters. It doesn't matter if some of the people !voted to keep the page, since the end consensus is what's relevant. Primefac (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

Just to let you know, there is a lot of vandalism going on at List of most viewed online videos in the first 24 hours. I am trying my best to revert it all, which I would say I am doing well. However, I would say we need to protect the page so the anonymous users that were editing it can no longer edit it. Thanks for you help, SportGuy002 (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC) .

Sorry, I'm not always online, wasn't expecting there to be a new video dropping that would necessitate a 600+ edit war over 24 hours. I've protected. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 15:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Your eyes please....

I am concerned that Northstar College may not be an accredited college and that it is simply a school to teach people the English language. I nominated it as A7 which was declined per the ed establishment exclusion. I was thinking about a fiasco from the past regarding an educational institution that ended-up being a rip-off so I'm exercising caution by seeking your advice before I take further steps. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:52, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd say go for the jugular (i.e. AFD). Not sure which fiasco you're referring to, but based on a quick read of the article and the non-existent references, I'd say it exists but that's about it. Primefac (talk) 15:56, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I recall something about a fake university that was ripping-off students by issuing fake diplomas, (non-accredited), and that perhaps an admin had been involved in that scam - not sure if it was unknowingly, or the result of a paid COI or inadvertent. Do you remember that incident? ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:36, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I do not, but I have no doubt it happened. Looks like this is more of the standard "I've been there, it must be notable" junk that good-faith users think should be on Wikipedia because it's "important" (to them). Primefac (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Found the case I couldn't remember - good ol' Google...WiFi One. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Schools, again

Hi Primefac. Barry Ne has created seven articles on South African secondary schools since March. I took one to AfD. Is there a simplified statement on schools and notability for me to point him at, rather than referring to the RFC? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac and Curb Safe Charmer

I agree that ground rules need to be laid out. Things that make schools notable are according to me:

1. Age of the school (Historical)

2. Past world well known pupils

3. School is in memory of an well-known event or person

4. Exceptional (national recognised) performances in sport, academic field or culture

This should go with large media or book reference coverage.

Important things to remember:

1. Primary schools are not notable

2. The schools position in its country of existence should be taken into account.

3. Abnormal or contentious issues that made the news may make it notable

By the way Schools are one of my fields I have the biggest interest in

Barry Ne (talk) 13:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Curb Safe Charmer, the short and simple version is that schools must meet WP:NCORP. Primefac (talk) 22:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)Whilst I have my own views on the notability of schools (which nearly aligns with PFac's opinions), I'm afraid that the afore-mentioned advice isn't very/any good, if you don't yourself to be branded as a deletionist and subsequent branding of being an incompetent NPR and all.......Irrespective of the travesty that the RFC has generated into, the simplistic advice is that:--

Any secondary school (or above) is de-facto notable by our community standards.(It's thoughts for another day whether the community in this case refers to a set of power-users with voices too loud.....).If the article creator can link to a reliable source (government directories etc.) which verifies the secondary status of the school, the article is almost always going to be kept, even if AfDd.

I am damn certain that the linked AfD closed in the particular manner courtesy the particular user who closed it and that a host of school-AfD-regulars were absent.

Any primary school is almost always non-notable and they are almost-always redirected to the school-district.

Pinging The Banner who has quite a lot of experience in the topic-area.I know that some articles are being deleted but am I correct about the majority?

Also, see this very relevant discussion.Best,∯WBG^converse 01:36, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

No, schools are not always notable. That is a fiction created by a few editors but has no policy base whatsoever. Just like other subjects, the notability of the school must be proven by sources in the article. There are no policy based arguments for assuming that schools are notable because in the past school were kept because in the past schools were kept etc. There is also no policy based foundation for arguments as "if you can not find sources, you did not search hard enough". The Banner talk 09:10, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Overall, I do like PFac's idea/assertion and it's worth adhering to.But, be very prepared to see arguments in AfD along the lines of --We will keep all secondary schools because we are keeping secondary schools and then seeing the AfDs closed as kept.See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Joseph College of Bulacan for one.∯WBG^converse 01:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Texas stuff

With what you said in your reversion comments, I'd like to hear how we can blue link in one spot, and red link in another, what would the titles be? Cards84664 (talk) 01:55, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Cards84664, why would we need a bluelink in one spot and a redlink in another? Primefac (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll explain my reasoning with Spur 16 as an example. Anything linking to Spur 16 should still redirect to the spur list, but the link for spur 16 on the list of spurs itself should be redlinked or the link should be removed, since clicking on it from the list doesn't go anywhere. When you click on the red link, my idea is that the redirect to the list would be overwritten when the article for Spur 16 is created. Cards84664 (talk) 19:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, if you want there to be a link but have it not be a redirect, you could use {{-r}} on the target page. If we were to use Texas Park Road 5 as an example, that would change the link to Texas Park Road 5 on List of Park Roads in Texas into Texas Park Road 5, letting whoever visited the page know it's just a redirect and could/should be overwritten. Primefac (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

IP 192.0.240.50

Hi Primefac. You indef'd Fshy89 a little over a week ago, but it appears they are back as an IP based upon this added to John from Idegon's user talk. My guess is that they posted the NPA on John's user talk as the IP and then logged in to blank their user talk. The IP has already been blocked twice this month, so it appears to be this editor's way to lash out at others. I'm never sure whether long-term blocking of an IP actually prevents further disruption or just prevents others who are non-involved from editing, but in this case the account doesn't seem to be being used by anyone to edit constructively. Do you think just watching it for further disruption is enough or should an SPI or ANI started instead? -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

You might want to consider removing Fshy89's talk page access after there last post on their user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:59, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, been surprisingly busy. Looks like the block of the IP and account have been enacted as you suggested. If after 3 months the IP starts messing around again let me know. Primefac (talk) 19:17, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?

 You are invited to join the discussion at User:Kudpung/What do admins do?. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)Template:Z48

Template:States of Nazi Germany

I think that you may have misread the consensus in Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 May 5#Template:German administrative territories and the related discussions, as you've closed with a merge to {{States of Nazi Germany}}, a template that all participants in the discussion agreed should be deleted. If you read all the discussions as one, I think there was no consensus for the merge, and certainly not to that target. {{Administrative divisions of Nazi Germany}} seems to handle the topic much more appropriately with its links being to Nazi-specific articles. --woodensuperman 13:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I specifically stated that the end target of the merger was up for discussion, and that it didn't really matter where it ended up. I see you've nominated the template for deletion anyway so I'm not really sure what I could do even if I agreed that I had misread the consensus. Primefac (talk) 20:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Shall I withdraw the nomination? --woodensuperman 08:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

No point now since there's been another !vote; we're basically at a pseudo-DRV stage so we might as well see where it ends up. Primefac (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

My PageMover request

Hi, Can you please take a look at my WP:RFP/PM. I have requested it again as I needed it while helping on Image FileSpace. It would be helpful if you could share your thoughts. Thank you. --DBigXray 18:41, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

I've been very busy lately, and can make no guarantees about when I get a chance to look at your request. The page is on my watchlist, however, and eventually I will see it. Primefac (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

• Ok. Sorry for the extra trouble. I had to message you as other admins prefer [1] that you take the call. Thanks --DBigXray 09:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I legitimately haven't had time to deal with perm requests lately, but I'll do what I can. Primefac (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

AN revisions?

Hi, was it you who deleted countless revisions at AN? [2] I don't know what to make out of it. Thanks, — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:13, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't "countless" revisions (it was 38), but yes. Another OSer removed some content, but missed something, so I finished the job. Primefac (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I suppose oversighting is kind of intended to ensure that almost no-one is able to make anything out of it  :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 20:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Seeing that many revisions being deleted without the usual Revdel log in the page history was certainly surprising (since an edit of mine was deleted too), but I figured it must have been something being oversighted. Blackmane (talk) 03:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I needed to link to a diff but unfortunately the OS action made any linking impossible. Is there perhaps a different way of content cleaning? — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:10, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, you could give the #Section link with a permalink to the first-available revision (which for reference is Special:PermaLink/847218042). If you really need that specific diff (i.e. a link to the discussion "as it was" won't do) then I could copy/paste the content. Primefac (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

thanks for that

hmm, I do get cu format very confused at times... JarrahTree 13:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

JarrahTree, don't know if you use Twinkle, but if you do, you can go to a user's talk page, use the "ARV" option, and it will do all of the "paperwork" for you in filing an SPI. Primefac (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that JarrahTree 00:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Followup

Thanks for the help in clarifying things for me. One thing for sure, I'm glad that I don't have to depend too much on my writing skills to make a living! -- Dolotta (talk) 21:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Always happy to help. Primefac (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Non-free image in portal

Hi Primefac. File:Lylestuart.jpg has been flagged as being used in Portal:Nautical, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. My guess is that it's being transcluced somehow onto the page, perhaps from Lyle Stuart, but I can't find any mention of him either. Since you've helped me out with similar issues before, I though you might be able to figure this one out as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

This seems to have resolved itself, so nothing further needs to be done here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, good! I do apologize, I seem to have missed seeing you post this, so I'm glad to hear it's resolved. Primefac (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Umm....

I chanced upon this article and intented to source the Academics section.And there-in lies the problem:)

If I go to this link (which is the most reliable source in this regard), fill the left panel as (State:-West Bengal, Year:- 2017-18, Program:-Engineering and Technology, Level:-UG) and click on submit, a list of colleges appear as a list.Once I search for Abacus and click on Course details in the sole entry, the fact is verified.

But, I'm at a complete loss as to linking the source in a manner wherein the reader can click and verify the info at a glance.....

Any ideas?∯WBG^converse 04:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's probably not what you want to hear, but I've removed the section entirely. We're not a course guide. But to directly answer your original question - no, I have no idea how you would best source that information. Does the school itself not provide this sort of thing? Primefac (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

No qualms:) YGM-∯WBG^converse 12:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

mail

Hi. I just sent you an email. Your discretion is requested. —usernamekiran(talk) 17:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Your response was very helpful as usual. But unfortunately, i dont have access to a computer for a few more days. So i cant do any experimenting. And the entire source code is there in the discussion. See you around. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:54, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Template:Goal

Hi Primefac, you protected the template Template:Goal. I would like to see the template to be expanded, besides options like "o.g." and "pen.", with an option to indicate a "golden goal (g.g.)". This might need to be discussed first. I could prepare the change in a sandbox, but considering the simplicity of the change I don't know if there's a need to do so.--Sb008 (talk) 13:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, there's a separate template for it Template:Golden goal --Sb008 (talk) 14:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations

		100000 Edits
		Congratulations on reaching 100000 edits. You have achieved a milestone that only 501 editors have been able to accomplish. The Wikipedia Community thanks you for your continuing efforts. Keep up the good work!

~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 06:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Primefac (talk) 11:59, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Congrats P. That is a whole lotta typing :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

That makes me wonder, how many keyboards did that cost? lol —usernamekiran(talk) 19:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

MarnetteD and @Usernamekiran:, do you really think I typed that out? I copied from elsewhere! ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: I was referring to all the typing that Primefac put in to get to 100,000 edit. Cheers to everybody. MarnetteD|Talk 05:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Oh! I misinterpreted that. Sorry. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:11, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

No worries :-) MarnetteD|Talk 05:14, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Usernamekiran, I've been using the same keyboard for 13 years. Of course, I've gone through a half-dozen mice in that time period... Primefac (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

@Abelmoschus Esculentus: :D
Do you mean you have the IBM style white and gray keyboard? —usernamekiran(talk) 12:04, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Nah, just the bog-standard Gateway KB 2961. Primefac (talk) 12:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser

Hi, I have done the 250 edits at en.wiki, could you give me the permission at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/AutoWikiBrowser? Thanks in advance, --Elisardojm (talk) 12:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

"Could" I, sure, but I don't respond to permission requests on my talk page. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll get to the AWB requests when I get to them. Primefac (talk) 22:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Any ideas?

Hi Primefac, hope things are well. I'm still sorting out the unsupported parameters for Infobox school, but at the moment I've been searching through articles for people who currently or have worked at BT, and adding its people category. I came across an article that is duplicated with one in the mainspace and one as a draft, I wasn't too sure who to ask, but maybe you know what's best, if you could take a look I would really appreciate it, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

In this particular instance, the draft creator was also the article creator, and no one else really edited the draft (just some bot edits), so converting the draft to a redirect is sufficient. If someone else had done the copy/paste move, then it would be a {{histmerge}} issue. Primefac (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Spam on my talk page

Hi. I wrote on May on administrator's noticeboard (here) about a spammer on my talk page, who harassed me. I noticed a few minutes ago that he did it again. I blanked my talk page, but I really need my talk page being protected and maybe some action against him, even if he's a dynamic IP and I don't know what can be done. 95.253.203.9 (talk) 11:26, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:San Bernardino County Fire Department

I have read the article and done some research. However, I found that in section Specialized Programs, most of the content are copy and pasted from the source. Should I decline the AfC submission with reason copyvio? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 06:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

It has been removed. Nvm. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 12:25, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

​ It's still a valid question. In that particular instance, a cv-decline wouldn't necessarily be appropriate because there's still a pretty good amount of content. cv declines should be used when the remaining content isn't significant enough for the page to be acceptable in the article space. Either way, when copyright content is removed a {{revdel}} request should be placed.​ Primefac (talk) 12:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Seems I don't have much experience yet :( ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 14:01, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

We all have to start somewhere! Primefac (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

AFCP

Hello Primefac. Could you please remove me from the participants list? I've made too many errors and I have to take my responsibility. -- » Shadowowl | talk 11:21, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for your contributions over the years. Let me know if/when you want to rejoin us. Primefac (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)