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Musical Instruments

As the musical instruments he plays needed to be removed from the info box (as the info box shall only include those instruments a musician is mainly noted for), I now added them to the "Education" section instead. I really hope this is okay. However, I did not add all instruments he plays, I did not add bass guitar [previously mentioned in the info box], cello [previously mentiond in the info box], sheng and steel pan because he never played those live on stage, and I've only seen short clips of him playing those. Thus, I cannot say to what degree he plays them. So, I decided to add only those that he plays on a high level.

Transliteration of Kazakh letter Қ

The Kazakh language has two letters that correspond to the English 'k' sound - Қ, and К. The canonical transliteration of Қ is now the letter Q in Latin script for English language text.

Qudaibergen's English transliteration should therefore be initial Q rather than the now deprecated K.

Dimash Qudaibergen also now uses the Q transliteration on all official announcements and product information.

It seems to me that the article title should be changed to reflect this. Ratpie (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would of thought it would be a non-controversial move, but apparently not based on the brewing move war. So then let's discuss it. Gecko G (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The official transliteration scheme being implemented by the government now transliterates "Қ" with "Q" instead of "K". Previous versions of the transliteration plan had been on using "K", and so when he started becoming known in English speaking countries he originally became known with the "Kudaibergen" transliteration and even using the "DK" initialism, but even he is now using a "Q" in his western media releases. Wikipedia should follow suit (albeit with a redirect from "Dimash Kudaibergen" for anyone searching using the old name). Gecko G (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    They still need to request for the article be moved as I direct them to make that request. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 22:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I see now that on Ratpie's talk page you refered them to WP:RMT, but how is it a technical move? Shouldn't it instead fall under WP:RMUM? (or maybe WP:RMCM if there's some potential for living person BLP issues) Gecko G (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Which ever is the correct one. They need to go through the process to get it changed, instead of changing it as they please. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've only ever moved 2 page's before (1 for a typo and 1 for a nonsensical disambiguation), and thus I've never had to look into the details of different move processes before, but after now having read the instructions at 3 different wikipedia guidelines, then if it falls under WP:RMUM -which it seems to- then it was done in the correct manner. Formal requests/processes are only needed for the other 2 cases. Gecko G (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    If you look at the information here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dimash_Kudaibergen&action=info in the 'Page protection' section you will see clearly that there is no requirement to go through any process.
    Page protection
    Edit: Allow all users (infinite)
    Move: Allow all users (infinite)
    There is no justification for either retaining the mistransliterated K or keeping the page with the wrong title. Ratpie (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Just a note for anyone reading this discussion after the fact: at the time of Ratpie's above post on the 13th it wasn't page protected, but it has since become such. (and I'm currently enquiring elsewhere as to why it became so protected) Gecko G (talk) 21:12, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 April 2023

Dimash Kudaibergen → Dimash Qudaibergen – The Kazakh language has two letters that correspond to the English 'k' sound - Қ, and К. The canonical transliteration of Қ is now the letter Q in Latin script for English language text. Qudaibergen's English transliteration should therefore be initial Q rather than the now deprecated K. Dimash Qudaibergen also now uses the Q transliteration on all official announcements and product information. It seems to me that the article title should be changed to reflect this. Ratpie (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is the harder and ultimately likely the slower way to do it, I would of given Btspurplegalaxy a chance to reply to the above section, but ok. For the record, I Support - Discussion in the previous section has been going on for 10 days with no dissention on the merits of the move, only on the method of conducting said move. Don't forget the related steps: Same thing should be done at Dimash Kudaibergen discography and Dimash Kudaibergen should then become a redirect to Dimash Qudaibergen. Gecko G (talk) 20:49, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'd like to rule out any possibility of WP:SOCK being involved, at least not in this discussion.
From what I've seen, there are some single-purpose accounts or IPs trying to change names.
  1. 15:22, 8 April 2023 2603:7080:5000:1f:b8aa:7e90:f2a1:3685
  2. 14:48, 23 February 2023 88.119.158.117
  3. 01:03, 20 February 2023‎ to 01:29, 20 February 2023 Roscha‎
  4. 11:49, 21 December 2022‎ 2a01:4c8:c04:a7d:18c9:37e3:6be6:2edb
Are you saying you are going to do a formal WP:SPI? I'm not convinced there enough evidence but I also don't object if you believe there is. Does the move have to be held while that process is underway or can it proceed independently of such? Gecko G (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't support or oppose either side. I hope no more single-purpose accounts or IPs interfere here until 20:24, 22 April 2023‎.That's all.
Whether I express support or opposition will not affect the result and I don't want to affect the result, so I will not express my position in the future. Rastinition (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Although many reliable English-language sources use "Dimash Kudaibergen", the singer himself uses "Qudaibergen" in all his official socials.[1][2][3] Per WP:NCP, "For minor spelling variations (...): when a consistent and unambiguous self-published version exists, it is usually followed." 162 etc. (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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