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Up for another TolBot page moving task?

See WT:WikiProject College Basketball#Over-capitalization where we're discussing a list of about 3300 articles with title fixes needed. If you're still up for such work. Dicklyon (talk) 00:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon, I most certainly am! I can file a BRFA over the weekend; would this work? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thanks. No rush, and I'll keep an eye on the discussion to see if anyone wants to haggle more along the way. So far not. Dicklyon (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let me know if you'd like me to format the list into one that includes the targets to move to (downcasing "Men's" or "Women's" through "Tournament" in all cases). Dicklyon (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Give the discussion time to settle. If it doesn't, we might need a big multi-RM discussion to establish consensus of the strength that the bot approvers will want to see. Dicklyon (talk) 23:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon: Alright; will do. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I got the RM going at Talk:ACC Men's Basketball Tournament#Requested move 23 August 2022. Look like it will likely get to a clear consensus. Dicklyon (talk) 21:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, @Dicklyon! Ping me when it closes and I'll file. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tol: – That RM closed with a clear consensus to move, so I think we should go ahead. I can take another pass at making the list, but I think the one I made is pretty good, except that a few may have been moved already. Dicklyon (talk) 06:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon: Got it; filing. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Filed. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:52, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon: It's been approved; I'm now preparing the list and will likely run the bot within the next 48 hours. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:36, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Noting request for page mover rights (permalink) to bypass the title blacklist. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rights granted; continuing bot run. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick action! If convenient, also add these that were missing from my original list (note that "Finals" would also be downcased, but not "Final Four", I think):

If not convenient, I can do by hand. And I'll check the other sports... There will also be some with "Men's Basketball" but not "Tournament", which we'll worry about later. Dicklyon (talk) 01:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a few for soccer and ice hockey, too:

I think I'd downcase most valuable player and most outstanding player, too (they're about 2/3 capped in books, not consistently). Dicklyon (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm realizing now that there are also a bunch of redirects that should be moved, or reproduced in the lowercased version, so that when I update case in links they won't break. I'll see if I can get a list from quarry. And some categories will need to be moved, too; but not a lot; for another day. Dicklyon (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon: I would generally prefer not to run TolBot Task 13 without fairly strong consensus somewhere (I would like to err on the side of caution); since these weren't included in the RM or the WikiProject College Basketball discussion (and weren't included in the BRFA), I would prefer if you could open another RM or another WikiProject discussion for these before I run the bot. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. Thanks again. Dicklyon (talk) 19:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template moves needed

Another batch I forgot are the templates; see User:Dicklyon/Templates to move. You think I should do another RM discussion, or is this covered? It seems the Categories were OK by consistency, at WP:CFD/S. Dicklyon (talk) 03:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon, I would prefer to avoid making any additional bot moves without explicit consensus (that is, limiting to pages in the list linked to in the RM). I think another mass RM would be appropriate for these templates, referencing the original RM to show existing consensus, mainly just to make sure nobody objects. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll get to that eventually... I just discovered another tranche needing to be moved, so I can pool them (e.g. those in Category:NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Games). Dicklyon (talk) 02:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon: Sounds good; thanks! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The RM discussion closed as "Moved" at Talk:2022 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game, which included the intention to move the list of templates and other related articles (one editor had reservations, but didn't follow up with a case for caps). So that should be the clear consensus we need. I'll work on a final list... Dicklyon (talk) 04:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, @Dicklyon! Thanks for handling the RM/list-building side of this. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I updated the lists at User:Dicklyon/Templates to move. It now lists 60 articles with "Basketball Championship Game" and 95 templates with various tournament capitalizations, exactly as discussed at the RM. There's also a list of where new redirects might be useful. Dicklyon (talk) 23:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects needed

I've moved a bunch of these, and others I've found, by hand. Not a problem. But now I'm finding things like 1945 NAIA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament, redirects to versions without "Men's" and/or without "Division I" and such; when I update links in articles, they become red links, since we didn't move the redirects, nor create new redirects (as I should have remembered as it happened in tennis, too). At this point, if I query for all the redirects with "Men's Basketball Tournament" I'll get these but also all those from the moves we just did via TolBot. Do you know a good process for sorting that out to see how many of these need attention? If I make a list can you filter it, perhaps using using part of your bot's programs, down to how many need actual attention? Then we could ask for permission to make the needed redirects or moves. Dicklyon (talk) 00:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dicklyon, I could filter a list to remove redirects that are just capitalisation changes (e.g. "XYZ Men's Basketball Tournament" to "XYZ men's basketball tournament"); would that work? I could also filter to redirects without an existing lowercase page (and get status on whether it's a redirect, whether it redirects to the same page, etc.). (I assume the goal would be to have a list of new lowercase redirects which should be created.) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be the goal. I can do a quarry query for redirects with "Men's Basketball Tournament" and such, if you can do the filtering. Perhaps filter just to ones that don't have a corresponding lowercase version that corresponds to incoming red links, if that's feasible. I'm about to head out on a trip, so not this morning. Dicklyon (talk) 13:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So ones with no lowercase version, with redlinks pointing to the lowercase version? Or with links pointing to the non-lowercase redirect? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 15:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, lowercase versions with red links pointing at them, due to my too-widespread case-fix edits. Here is an example of one such edit of mine being reverted instead of corrected; new redirects would bulk-fix them. Dicklyon (talk) 21:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So I made a list of over-capped redirects at User:Dicklyon/Basketball redirects. The vast majority of these redirect to downcased versions of the same title, mostly left from the moves that TolBot did, and need to be filtered out. What's left, redirects to other than the downcased version of the same, probably need to have new downcased redirects to the same target created (some will already exist, as I've done some by hand). If there are no actual redlinks to these missing downcased redirects, I'd create them anyway, as they're more useful than the currently listed over-capped ones. If you an filter the list down, it might be small enough for me to finish up "by hand". Dicklyon (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon, thanks! I'll take a look and try to filter these down over the weekend. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I made a lowercased version of the list at User:Dicklyon/Basketball redirects needed, so I could see how many are redlinks; many are. But looking for ones with links to them (besides from this user subpage of mine, which I, or you, can blank if it interferes with your figuring this out), I haven't found any links to them yet (I've been manually fixing some patterns that others found and pointed out to me on my user talk page). Maybe there's nothing to do; or not much. But if you can check, that would be great. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dicklyon, I've been busy this weekend, and haven't gotten to that yet, but I should be able to do that and will work on it tonight. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:36, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No rush. Nobody is reporting redlinks any more. Dicklyon (talk) 01:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright; thanks. I'll get to it whenever I have time, then. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for TolBot - Task 8

We are having another NPP backlog drive in October. To that end, here are a few requests/questions:

  1. I've created the leaderboard page. I hope this is ok.
  2. Can a total row be added to the end of leaderboard table?
  3. Will the bot automatically start once you set the start time? If not, one of us can remind you a couple of days before the drive starts.
  4. We were looking for a way to show review streaks per week, and later award participants based on these. Something like:
Reviewer Week1 Week2 Week3 Week4
Example 25 16 18 15

You can club this with the leaderboard table OR keep it as a separate section which we can transclude. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: Sounds good!
  1. That's fine; I don't mind!
  2. Sure!
  3. It should, but it has a habit of not doing so. I'll set a reminder to check that it started.
  4. I'd need a bit more information about this. If you made me a mockup leaderboard on that page I could probably make the bot generate something like it.
Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Could you set the start time for the bot to be a day or two earlier than the drive starts. That way, seeing the hourly updates, all of us will be sure that the bot has started (even if all the scores are 0)
  2. I had another request about adding the page curation log links next to the user's name. Added to the mock.
  3. Thinking about how you would code the streak awards section, maybe it would be simpler if it is in a different table. I've mocked both versions up, please see which is simpler for you to do. Week 1 would be the total score for 1st to 7th, and so on. The last three days of the month are ignored.
  4. Since the leaderboard page is already being transcluded on the drive page, I've put up my mockup here.
-MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824:
  1. Sure.
  2. That should be easy.
  3. I'll review the code and get back to you on this tomorrow or over the weekend.
  4. Thanks for the mockup; it was helpful!
I should have the code changed over the weekend, and do some testing then. Thanks for your work on this. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unarchive

Please un-archive and respond to User talk:Tol/Archives/2022/08#Requests for TolBot - Task 8 -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:38, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. The second example (one table) is easier; I've tweaked the code so that it generates that (it worked on my dry-run). I'll try a wet-run tomorrow (editing my sandbox). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, you could use the current participant list (mostly coordinators) and the month of September, for your tests, if you want. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824: Sounds good; that's what I'll do. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:50, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just so you know, I've been too busy to get to the wet-run today; I'll try again tomorrow. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:14, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, no particular rush. I just thought that it might have slipped your mind. And the thread was out of your talk page, you'd not even have something to remind you about it. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824: Understood — thanks for the reminder! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824, I've implemented all of the changes and done some live testing (see leaderboard). Does this look good to you? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, it has all the stuff that we asked for. Thank you. I'll assume that you've tested out the code for the weekly section. @Zippybonzo and Buidhe: please check this. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes; everything's just zero now because the drive hasn't started. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Started

MPGuy2824, I've started the bot. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Another request: Please change the week definitions to week1:day1-7, w2:d8-14, w3:d15-21, w4:d22-31. That way it won't have to change if the month has a different number of days, next time. I proposed it here, and Buidhe supports. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824:  Done! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:43, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine Timeline

Considering no one has bothered to Oppose your split proposal, I'd say go for it. Great Mercian (talk) 08:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Great Mercian: alright; I'll tackle splitting it soon. Thanks. (Link for my reference: Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(t · c) buidhe 21:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About the Ukraine timelines

There are some really bad captialisation issues with the new articles, I'd really like you to fix them. Great Mercian (talk) 23:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Great Mercian, where have you found capitalisation issues? Do you mean like this? I don't think this is a problem; as it's not a new sentence and not a proper name, I don't think it would need to be capitalised. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 01:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I do mean that. It is a problem. Great Mercian (talk) 10:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Great Mercian, I don't think so — see, for example, guidelines by University of Sussex and Grammarly. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Ibrahim idris dawud on What's Up Doc? (British TV series) (17:31, 25 September 2022)

Ibrahim idris dawud, also known as Ibrahim Abacha ( 1 March 1999 in nigeria bauchi state ) --Ibrahim idris dawud (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Ibrahim idris dawud, and welcome to Wikipedia! It's not clear what you're asking, but it appears it may be related to writing about yourself. Please note that you would have a conflict of interest in this situation, and writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you have any questions, please let me know! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:58, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Ibrahim idris dawud

Allahamdulillah Ibrahim idris dawud (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ibrahim idris dawud, I still don't understand. What are you trying to ask? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question from MOBXOJ (15:59, 28 September 2022)

Hello, I was wondering let's say for example I made an article about a town that isn't on Wikipedia, do I have to add a source, if there isn't any do, I just collect evidence of said town by myself? --MOBXOJ (talk) 15:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @MOBXOJ, and welcome to Wikipedia! Content in articles should be supported by references to reliable sources. Evidence you collected yourself would not be a reliable source (we have no way to confirm it); instead, you should look for sources that are independent, reliable, and published, such as news articles or government information. Please let me know if you have any further questions! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TolBot

Hi. I hope you are doing well. TolBot recently delivered message to a talkpage with categories category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery, and category:Wikipedians who opt out of template messages. Would you kindly update it so that it will skip such talkpages? Or is there any reason why it doesn't skip such pages? —usernamekiran (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @Usernamekiran, and I hope you're doing well too! I presume you're referring to a Task 9 edit (Wikipedia:Administrators without tools notification) — users receive these notifications because they opted in at Wikipedia:Administrators without tools/Endorsers, and can opt out again by removing their name from the list. (So, yes; there's a reason why it ignores these categories!) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:35, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Thanks for the prompt reply. Yes, I was referring to task 9. You are correct about the opting too. But there is a different scenario as well. Sometimes, an editor stops editing all of sudden (retirement, loss of password, and similar issues including death). Under such scenarios, there is Yapperbot's task 4 (example message), but I am not sure about the width of the lists from which inactive members are removed. Then there is {{not around}} template which is added to the talkpages of inactive users, I do it sometimes. The template adds the two aforementioned categories. Without yapperbot, and "not around", it would be an infinite cycle of automated messages being delivered, and being archived by archive-bots. That was my concern. But given the small number of subscribers at Endorser's list, I think thats not a big issue. Thanks again. See you around :-) —usernamekiran (talk) 15:15, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Usernamekiran: You're welcome! That makes sense. If this becomes a problem, I could set it up to prune inactive users. Thanks! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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