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Also Hispano-Arabic?

Is the term Hispano-Arabic a synonym for Andalusian Arabic or is that something else? — Hippietrail (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The term Hispano-Arabic has been used to refer to Andalusian Arabic, but it is also used in other contexts. Szfski (talk) 06:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
andalusian arabic isn't exntinted !! in northern morocco mainly in "Tangier" and "tetuan" we still use a big part of andalusian arabic , i hope you change the satatus please . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.253.207 (talk) 13:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it's spoken in north west morocco only

Moroccan Arabic has nothing to do with Andalusian Arabic ! we here in the Tangier-Tetuan region (also known as belad jebala) we still use a big part of it . and our dialect is not the Moroccan Arabic we speak a different Arabic dialect . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.214.212.81 (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IPA transcriptions are imprecise and mostly wrong

The IPA transcriptions of pronunciations are very likely to be wrong, since it generalizes the use of [a] for what is very likely to be [æ]~[ɛ]~[e] or [ɑ], additionally it adds a glottal stop [ʔ] at the beginning of the definitive article al- which is false, because it is the same case in the majority of languages. The glottal stop here is only pronounced when someone starts uttering al- not in the middle of a sentence. English examples for that are, "instant, appeal, apple, energy, order, up..." The naming of "standard Arabic" is misused, making it seem like it's not rather a literary language but a language with one real global standard. I will attempt to fix the issue by using either broad IPA transcription as the vowels in question are uncertain or use non-IPA transcription. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 09:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 10:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On sun and moon letters

It has been written on this article (clearly there is some source which claims this) that the distinction between sun and moon letters in the article is not made in andalusi arabic. This is just untrue if we look at modern spanish. You say Arroz not alroz. You say aceite not alceite, you say azafrán not alsafrán, you say ataúd, not altaúd. But you say alcazar because it is from al qasr. No distinction with rule in modern arabic. I dont know what the wiki policy is, when a source says something which is evidently untrue on an obscure topic which cant be contrasted. In any case it is currently unsourced so i have deleted the statement. If someone does find a source, which makes this ludicrous claim, it should be discussed before reincluding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.153.190.171 (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple issues with the accuracy of this article

Hello,

I am of a Mozarab and Al Andalus Arab tribe. I note many errors with this article. I have never edited this site before so I don't want to change it.

Firstly, this dialect is not dead like the article says. Very few speak it in its classical form, and it is spoken as a discipline in its classical form and for music only. There are still peoples in Andalucia who speak it, such as the gypsies in the mountains. They speak the pure old form for musics and and a modern derivative. In North East Morocco, and Occupied Melilla, in Tunisia and East Algeria there are still tribes and families who speak it, and although there are slight differences, we can all understand to each other. I don't know why this article says the language is dead when it isnt? It even says later that it is still sung so this doesn't make sense. We are not speaking as this dialect is a major dialect, maybe a few tens of thousands speak it at most, not as a primary language, and scattered across north africa. But to say this language "was" is wrong.

Please memo, I am not mixing up andalus arabic with regional dialects influenced by andalus arabic. No way. People of al andalus in their cities still speakk it to this day.

Likewise, still some very old rural people in Sardina speak Sardinian Arabic. Maybe it will die in 1 generation but still it is not dead- some parts of this website say it is dead and others dont.

Further, I do not think all examples are correct here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndausUpdateArab (talk • contribs) 10:49, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but saying things like for example "there are still peoples in Andalucia who speak it, such as the gypsies in the mountains" makes it very difficult to take you seriously. --Jotamar (talk) 17:23, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
At any rate, it's a question of reliable sources (preferably academic consensus). Wikipedia can (or should, by its rules and guidelines) never take in just what somebody says, no matter how correct it might happen to be. 151.177.57.135 (talk) 15:12, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear sentence

"Whence the initial n- on verbs in the first person singular, a feature shared by many Maghrebi dialects." The English word 'whence' is usually listed in dictionaries as archaic, so a reader coming here--particular a non-native English reader--is going to be puzzled. Also, 'whence' is either a question word (but this sentence doesn't seem to be a question) or a subordinate clause marker (but this isn't a subordinate clause, or at least it's not punctuated as if it was--it's punctuated as an independent sentence). The same word 'whence' is used in the preceding paragraph, although there it seems to be a subordinate clause. I'm not sure what the article is trying to say in either instance--it's possible the author meant 'hence' rather than 'whence', although that's still a bit archaic for many English readers. I *think*, but am not sure, that it could be replaced by "for example" in both instances, although the second instance will also need to be grammatically altered by punctuating it (perhaps replacing the preceding period with a semicolon), or by putting a verb in there ("For example, Andalusian Arabic verbs show an initial n-..."). Mcswell (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Map in article is misleading

Al-Andalus in 814

The linguistic area of Andalusi Arabic shown in the article's map is misleading because Andalusi Arabic would not have yet existed in the very short time the northwest of the peninsula was under Muslim control. The revolt in Galicia began as early as 739 when the Christian nobles rose up against their new Muslim overlords and joined forces with the Asturians to begin driving out Muslim forces from the area, a process largely complete by 850. This would also apply to the area in the northeast that is now part of France, where Pepin's forces forced Muslim troops to leave Narbonne in 759. There is no way Andalusi Arabic would have existed in these areas at such an ea\rly time after the Muslim invasion. New dialects take time to appear and therefore a map of Al-Andalus at a later date is needed. I suggest a new map be made based on later borders like this one on the right: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.15.35 (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree. Map deleted. --Jotamar (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think the accuracy tag merits being on the article anymore given the fact that it was put there because of the map and now the map is gone. TheNewLetters (talk) 18:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Andalusian or Andalusi?

We use Andalusi to refer to Al-Andalus and Andalusian to refer to Andalusia. Andalusia does not correspond in any way to Al-Andalus, so shouldn't the Arabic dialect spoken in Iberia be called Andalusi instead of Andalusian? Super Ψ Dro 20:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and support this change. إيان (talk) 03:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed this and generally agree, though it should go through an RM. Although "Andalusian Arabic" is a term used in some Arabic linguistics books, "Andalusi Arabic" is more WP:PRECISE because it unambiguously refers to historic al-Andalus and not modern Andalusia; there are Arabic speakers in Andalusia today, but obviously that's not what this page is about. Frederico Corriente, one of the main specialists on the matter, also uses "Andalusi Arabic" in his publications, so it's a reasonable and academically accepted option. R Prazeres (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 June 2021

Andalusian Arabic → Andalusi Arabic – "Andalusian" is ambiguous; it could refer to modern Andalusia. "Andalusi" clearly refers to al-Andalus. إيان (talk) 04:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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