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== Archive-date parameter ==
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== Add link for search on Wikidata ==
RFC here, please join -> [[MediaWiki_talk:Wdsearch.js#Add_link_to_search]]. --'''[[User:Superchilum|<span style="color:#209090;">Superchilum</span>]]'''<sup>([[User talk:Superchilum|talk to me!]])</sup> 10:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

== lowercase sigmabot III not archiving [[Talk:Robert Downey Jr.]] ==

Hi,

All discussions on [[Talk:Robert Downey Jr.]] are supposed to be archived after 180 days (at least, if I'm reading the template right):

 <nowiki>{{User:MiszaBot/config
| algo                = old(180d)
| archive             = Talk:Robert Downey, Jr./Archive %(counter)d
| counter             = 1
| maxarchivesize      = 150K
| archiveheader       = {{Automatic archive navigator}}
| minthreadstoarchive = 1
| minthreadsleft      = 4
}}</nowiki>

However, there's a lot of old discussions there, from anywhere between 2012 and 2016. Can anyone see why the bot isn't doing its work? Thanks! [[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:The archive must be a subpage of the archived page. I have changed it to <code>| archive = Talk:Robert Downey Jr./Archive %(counter)d</code> with no comma. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:04, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks, that was probably it, must've been missed in a page move some time ago. [[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 14:46, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

== Parsing templates with bot ==

Let's say there is a cite:
:<code><nowiki>{{cite web |title=USS Zumwalt |website=Naval Vessel Register |url={{NVR url|DDG-1000}} |accessdate=1 October 2016}}</nowiki></code>
Currently my bot (running off-site) is unable to parse the {{para|url}} because it downloads the wikisource as plain text and doesn't know what {{tlx|NVR url}} is or how it would expand. {{tld|NVR url}} is just an example, there are dozens+ templates known and unknown. Is there an API (ideally) that can parse wikicode? I can't imagine using a sandbox to post the template and reading the output the volume would be high. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User_talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #009933;">'''C'''</span>]] 14:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:I think that you can use [[mw:Parsoid/API]]. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|GreenC}} You can use [[mw:API:Expandtemplates]] (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=expandtemplates&format=json&title=Wikipedia%3ASandbox&text=%7B%7BNVR%20url%7Cid%3DSSBN-659%7D%7D&prop=wikitext]) or [[mw:API:Parsing wikitext]] (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=parse&format=json&title=Wikipedia%3ASandbox&text=%7B%7BNVR%20url%7Cid%3DSSBN-659%7D%7D&contentmodel=wikitext]) - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u>&nbsp;<span style="font-size:95%;">&#91;[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 01:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::Perfect, thanks [[User:Evad37]]. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User_talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #009933;">'''C'''</span>]] 21:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

== Odd message when saving/publishing or previewing ==

Recently I have been getting an unexpected message saying "Do you want to leave this site? changes you made may not be saved Leave/stay" in a little pale blue box top centre when I hit the preview or publish buttons from source edit, This happans for both firefox and chrome on Windows 10. Clicking on leave works fine, there is no loss of edit and the preview and save work as expected. Has this happened to anyone else? &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 21:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Pbsouthwood}} is this only happening when you use the visual editor? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:14, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::If so, it sounds like bug [[phab:T154093]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{U|Xaosflux}}, I only use edit source, No idea if it does that in VE, but I thought source edit is going through VE these days. I have noticed a slowing down and partial greying during saves. The problem is intermittent and not very predictable. Cheers, &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 08:05, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::The message is in the middle of the screen in a white box for Firefox. &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:05, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::The message on Firefox is "This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved. Leave page/Stay on page", which is different in detail, but the same in intention. It looks like the site is passing a message to the browser which is displayed slightly differently depending on browser. &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 10:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::::There are other anomalies. The wikitext insertion function from the menu below the edit window is also not working. If I click on one of the options I get sent to the top of the page, as if I clicked [home]. &middot; &middot; &middot; [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter (Southwood)]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 15:17, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::There is a wikitext mode in Extension:VisualEditor, but you are not using it.  You might consider [[:mw:Help:Locating broken scripts]].  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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== Checking ''This is a minor edit'' count as an edit summary? ==

I've got ''Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary'' checked in my preferences.  Is there some way to get checking the ''This is a minor edit'' box count as entering a summary?  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|RoySmith}} Changes to [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]] are not changes to editable pages, and so cannot be logged as if they were. I expect that there is some sort of log of preference changes, but it's not accessible to anybody except the [[m:System administrators|sysadmins]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Redrose64}} Did you reply to the wrong question? --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 22:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|RoySmith}} A really hacky workaround would be to add the following to your [[Special:Mypage/common.js]], which will add " (minor edit)" to the edit summary when you click the checkbox:
<syntaxhighlight lang="js">if(wpMinoredit=document.getElementById("wpMinoredit")){wpMinoredit.onclick = function() {if(wpMinoredit.checked) {document.getElementById("wpSummary").value += " (minor edit)";}}}</syntaxhighlight>
:--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 22:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:: A better way would be to change the value of the <code>wpAutoSummary</code> hidden field when the minor edit checkbox is checked. And change it back if the checkbox is unchecked. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 12:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== Finding people who edit a particular topic ==

I have plans on reviving Wikiproject West Bengal. Most of the participants there have left Wikipedia. Is there a way to get the names of all users who edit that particular topic so that I will be able to send invitations&nbsp;[[Holi|শুভ দোলযাত্রা]]&nbsp;—&nbsp;'''''[[User:Force Radical|F]][[User talk: Force Radical|R]]''[[Special: Contributions/Force_Radical|&trade;]]'''<!--{{subst:User:Force Radical/sign}}--> 10:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

:Yes, there is a way to do this, but I can't find the link (again.  I can never find this link).  [[User:Harej]] worked on it.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

: {{ping|Force Radical}} [[User talk:Bobo.03]] is assisting WikiProjects by using his machine learning program to find users to invite to join/participate. The program analyzes edits on related subjects, etc. He may be interested in adding WikiProjects to his current round of testing. See my talk page for examples of the output of his program.  &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  20:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== autowikibrowser 2 ==
hello
how to active [[m:User:Monorodo/global.js|this js]] in autowikibrowser--[[User:Monorodo|Monorodo]] ([[User talk:Monorodo|talk]]) 06:04, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
:I do not think that you can: AWB does not execute user javascript. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 18:59, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

: {{ping|Monorodo}} If you have node.js installed on your computer, you might be able to use AWB's external processing feature to feed its pages to a JavaScript program, and receive the pages back once processed.  Though you may need to write a script specifically to work in this context (to edit wikicode, for example). AWB can call an external program and pass arguments to it. If [https://nodejs.org/docs/latest/api/process.html#process_process_argv node.js can receive your arguments], you may be in business. For AWB's side of this issue, see [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual#Tools]] for more information. Let me know if you find a way. I'd be very interested.   &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  20:52, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

== Extra-long edit summaries ==

Thursday (UTC) just being over, I see that we now have extra-long edit summaries. Do we wish to encourage comments {{diff|Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion|prev|828335481|like this}} which occupy more than five lines in my watchlist? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 00:13, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Turn off extended edit summaries]]. --[[User:Majora|Majora]] ([[User talk:Majora|talk]]) 00:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{ec}} Whoops, I have now found [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Turn off extended edit summaries]] on this exact matter. Everybody over there please! --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 00:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

== Help with tables ==

Looking to see if it's possible to offset cells on a table, for example, the top row has 2 cells (cols), the second row has 3 cells (cols), is it possible to center the top row on the second row (and if so, with mark up or some other means?)
<center>
;example 1
{|class="wikitable 
|-
|R1/C1
|R1/C2
|-
|R2/C1
|R2/C2
|R2/C3
|-
|}

;example 2
{|class="wikitable 
|-
|R1/C1
|R1/C2
|}
{|class="wikitable 
|-
|R2/C1
|R2/C2
|R2/C3
|-
|}
</center>

Example 1 is what I'm seeking to adjust. Example 2 is to demonstrate how I want the top row of cells offset/centered on the second row (and what is being [[Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Award_names|used right now in some articles ''ad hoc'']]), but I would like to do this with a single table, is possible. Thanks - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 16:41, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:You can make 6 columns and use colspan 2 or 3 in all of them to give the same effect:
{|class="wikitable"
|-
|colspan="3"| R1/C1-3 ||colspan="3"| R1/C4-6
|-
|colspan="2"| R2/C1-2 ||colspan="2"| R2/C3-4 ||colspan="2"| R2/C5-6
|}
:[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::That's works in in the example above, but for a table with 55 cells, I guess that means I would have to add "colspan" to ''every'' cell? Or will this work on just the first two rows of a 14 row table? If not, any other tricks? Thanks again - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 22:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

::Alternately, for your example, you might dispense with the table altogether and instead, in §[[Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Award_ribbons|Award ribbons]], use {{para|link}} in the ribbon images to link to the ribbon's article:
:::<code><nowiki>[[File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg|110px|link=Medal of Honor]]</nowiki></code> → [[File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg|110px|link=Medal of Honor]]
::{{tlx|ribbon devices}} would need to be tweaked to support article links in the images that it creates.
::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 17:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
:::That is another option, (but it doesn't immediately show the name of the medal, and while hovering the cursor does, would it show other details? eg: dates, countries, notations, etc.) Anyway, right now many of these military BLPs are already set up with a ribbon board followed by a table, and some of those tables are in need of a fix that I'd like to add without major rewites. Thanks for the advice, it's always appreciated. Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 22:01, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Another (related) question, why does this work, and automatically without any additional mark-up, on [[Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Award_ribbons|ribbon boards]] (eg: award images), but not on [[Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Award_names|tables with text]] (eg: award names)...? Thanks again - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 22:22, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

:Because the top line of the ribbon board table is essentially three images one-right-after-the-other on the same source line:
::<code><nowiki>[[File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=2|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Cross ribbon.svg|width=110}}{{Ribbon devices|number=4|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Medal ribbon.svg|width=110}}</nowiki></code>
:::[[File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=2|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Cross ribbon.svg|width=110}}{{Ribbon devices|number=4|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Medal ribbon.svg|width=110}}
:This is accommodated by adding table markup to the first line of the four-column table:
::<code><nowiki>colspan="4" align="center"</nowiki></code>
:The rest of the rows are all four cells each with a single ribbon in each cell.  It does not have to be that way, one can make the ribbon board as a single-column table.  Here are the top three rows of MacArthur's ribbon board written as a single-column table:
{|style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border: none;"
|-
|align="center"|[[File:Medal of Honor ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=2|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Cross ribbon.svg|width=110}}{{Ribbon devices|number=4|type=oak|ribbon=Distinguished Service Medal ribbon.svg|width=110}}
|-
|[[File:Navy Distinguished Service ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=6|type=oak|ribbon=Silver Star ribbon.svg|width=110}}[[File:Distinguished Flying Cross ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=0|other_device=v|ribbon=Bronze Star Medal ribbon.svg|width=110}}
|-
|[[File:Air Medal ribbon.svg|110px]]{{Ribbon devices|number=6|type=oak|ribbon=United States Army and U.S. Air Force Presidential Unit Citation ribbon.svg|width=110}}[[File:Philippine Campaign Medal ribbon.svg|110px]][[File:Mexican Service Medal ribbon.svg|110px]]
|}
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 23:51, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

::I see. Well, that's handy enough for the ribbon boards, but is there a quick fix to be found for the  [[Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Award_names|table]]? Or do I have to add "colspan" markup to every cell, just to merge those top three cells onto the rest of the table? (and thanks again) - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 01:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::You can use margin 0 to remove the space between the two tables.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Service_summary_of_Douglas_MacArthur&diff=828064004&oldid=827941058] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:14, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
::::Boom! There's the quick-fix I was looking for. ''Thank you'' - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 03:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

== This is making my head spin ==

[[:File:Caribou at the campsite.jpg]]

I was trying to crop this image to emphasize the real subject, the caribou swimming in the river. I thought I had done that, and uploaded a new version, but when I was done could still see the top of the yellow tent for some reason. So I did it again, and the same thing happened again. In the revision history the thumbnails look like exactly what I was going for, but for some reason the actual image keeps displaying with part of the tent visible, about halfway between what it originally was and what I was attempting. I waited a few minutes in case it was some sort of server lag issue but that didn’t do it either. I’m so confused right now. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Beeblebrox}} I've restored an earlier version and cleared my cache using (CTRL+SHIFT+R) and it seems to appear fine for me. Does following those steps give you the same result? [[User:Jon Kolbert|Jon Kolbert]] ([[User talk:Jon Kolbert|talk]]) 19:22, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
::No, but I’m using an iPad (but still on desktop version of WP). That command does nothing as far as I can tell, but I did hit the page refresh button about ten times. What’s so weird is that what I’m seeing isn’t the original image, nor is it my crop, it’s as if the system is making its own version somehow. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|Beeblebrox}} Hm, maybe it's worth transferring to commons and then just using the [[commons:Commons:CropTool|CropTool]] available there on the original. Right now                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I see a version without any yellow tent in it, so it may just be an issue specific to browsing on the iPad. I would try viewing it in a different browser if possible. [[User:Jon Kolbert|Jon Kolbert]] ([[User talk:Jon Kolbert|talk]]) 19:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
::::When using iOS to double check changes to images introduced via uploading a new version of the file, I find it's best to force purge the page to ensure it worked. There's a gadget for it under preferences (on the "Gadgets" tab, under "Appearance"). It enables a purge link under the "More" tab at the top of articles and other appropriate namespaces, below the "Move" link. It basically does what "CTRL+SHIFT+R" does on a keyboard, and is mucho useful on iOS. [[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 18:52, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I just kind of waited to see if it would work itself out, and it did, image is displaying as expected now. Thanks for your replies. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 20:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

== Bots Newsletter, March 2018 ==

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Greetings!

Here is the 5th issue of the ''Bots Newsletter'' (formerly the ''BAG Newletter''). You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from [[Wikipedia:Bots/Spam|this list]].

Highlights for this newsletter include:

;ARBCOM
*''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Magioladitis 2|Magioladitis 2]]'' happened, leading to further restrictions on {{noping|Magioladitis}} ([[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Magioladitis 2#Final decision|decision]], [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases/2017#September|summary]]).
*''[[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Betacommand 3#Amendment request: Betacommand 3 (December 2017)|Betacommand 3]]'' was proposed to be amended to lift the indefinite ban on {{noping|Δ}}, but was unsuccessful ([[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Betacommand 3#Betacommand 3: Arbitrator views and discussion|decision]]).
*A motion concerning ''[[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Archive 12#Crosswiki issues: Motion (November 2017)|Crosswiki issues]]'' (mostly concerning Wikidata) was passed (see [[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Archive 12#Crosswiki issues: Motion (November 2017)|discussion]]).

;BAG
*{{noping|Hersfold}} was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ABot_Approvals_Group%2FFormer&type=revision&diff=807534876&oldid=757247341 removed from the BAG] due to long term inactivity.
*

;BRFAs
We currently have 6 [[Wikipedia:BAG/Status|open]] bot requests at [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval]], and could use your help processing!

;Discussions
While there were no large-scale bot-related discussion in the past few months, you can check [[WP:BOTN]] and [[WT:BOTPOL]] (and their corresponding archives) for smaller issues that came up.

;New things
*[[WP:BOTDICT]], a dictionary of common bot-related terms (see [[Wikipedia talk:Bots/Dictionary#Creation and feedback|discussion]]).
*6 inactive bots have been deflagged (see [[Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 12#Inactive bots - December 2017|discussion]]).
*The [[meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Results|2017 Community Wishlist Survey]] happened. Two bot-related proposal passed, #6 ''[[meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Bots and gadgets/Deploy Article Alerts to other languages|deploy Article Alerts to other languages]]'' and #10 ''[[meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Bots and gadgets/Commons deletion notification bot|Commons deletion notification bot]]'', although other entries may affect bots as well.
* [[:Category:Wikipedia bots]] and its subcategories has had some cleanup. Bot-related pages that were historically important but are no longer of interests can be found in [[:Category:Wikipedia bots (historical)]]
* The edit summary limit has been increased to 1000 characters (see {{phab|T6715}}). If a bot you operate relied on the old truncation limit (255 characters), please review/update your code, as overly long summaries can be disruptive/annoying. If you want to use extra characters to have more information in your edit summary, please do so intelligently.
* You will soon be able to [[Wikipedia:Notifications|ping]] users from the edit summary (see {{phab|T188469}}). If you wish to use this feature in your bot, please do so intelligently.

;Upcoming
* [[HTML Tidy]] will be [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy phased out] in [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2017/28 June 2018, or possibly earlier]. This may affect some bots (see [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ#What_will_editors_need_to_do.3F FAQ]).
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== Why is Visual Editor blocked on Wikipedia: ? ==

Hi 

Can someone tell me why Visual Editor is blocked for all of the Wikipedia: namespace, it would be very helpful for Wikiprojects if it was enabled, especially when using tables.

Thanks

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 17:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:Why does it seem like you ask this question every month or so? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|John Cummings}} Same answer you got last time: [[:phab:T152794]]. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 18:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
: I thought this was answered last time you asked the same question. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=812791739#Making_Visual_Editor_work_on_Wikiproject_pages]? [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 18:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminders {{ping|Izno}}, {{ping|Ahecht}} and {{ping|Black Kite}}, can you tell me if there is a Wikiproject: namespace on en.wiki? I really need to create some Wikiproject pages that use VE. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 19:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|John Cummings}} No, no such namespace exists. I am doubtful that the community would approve such a namespace. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
::OK {{ping|Izno}}, do you have a suggestion of a namespace I can put a set of pages on en.wiki that I could use VE that are not Wikipedia: or in userspace? [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 19:49, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:[[User:John Cummings|John]], you might talk to [[User:Kerry Raymond]] about her workaround for this limitation.  Note that you will have to choose between the workaround or letting users have access to the 2017 wikitext editor, because the two are incompatible in a fairly dramatic way.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks very much {{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, can you point to her workaround? I'm really stuck and have to work this out for an event in two weeks. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 19:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
::::Why not copy the source text to a sandbox in your own userspace where VE is enabled, edit it there and then copy it back to the page? Or why not host the page in question in your userspace and transclude it to the WP page? Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 20:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|SoWhy}}, I'm creating a resource for new users so this isn't really viable, I've tried..... [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 20:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
*Question: does VisualEditor work in User: or Draft: space? If so, could you create your table there, then copy the code to your intended project page? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 20:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
*:Oh, SoWhy just said that. Never mind. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 20:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
*::For future ref, [[WP:VE#Limitations]], first bullet, summarises the namespace restrictions. [[WP:NS]] has a table listing all of the namespaces for English Wikipedia. Namespaces numbered above 15 vary between different language Wikipedias, and also between other Wikimedia projects such as [[c:|Commons]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 09:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
*[[User:John Cummings|John]], have a look at [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:VEFriendly]] to see what Kerry has been doing.  It's not elegant, but it might be enough to get you through this one workshop.  (Just make sure that nobody enables the new wikitext editor, or every page they use this on will be replaced by raw HTML.)  The Help: namespace might be another alternative, if what you're doing is mostly instructions about how to edit, etc.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 17:56, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]], just try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability&veaction=edit . This works in easy steps.
# Edit in code
# Go to url , add a '''ve''' and press enter (replace &action=edit with &veaction=edit)
# You edit in VE.
   <small>[[User:ManosHacker|<span style="text-shadow:#ffffff 0em 0em 0.2em,#aabbdd -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#aabbdd 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#336699">ManosHacker</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ManosHacker|talk]]</sup></small> 18:58, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

:: Thanks {{ping|ManosHacker}}, [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 10:38, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

== Reflinks error ==

When I try to reach [https://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/webreflinks.py#] or [https://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Reflinks#], I get:

"Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: https://dispenser.info.tm
Search for "https://dispenser.info.tm" on Bing
Refresh the page
Details".
Please {{tl|ping}} me when you respond. --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 21:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Jax 0677}} Those web pages are outside our control. You need to ask {{user|Dispenser}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:03, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
:: I am also seeing this issue, I commented on it when I opened [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Apollo missions/archive1 |my FLC]]. ~ [[User:Matthewrbowker|<span style="color:#00aaaa">Matthewrbowker</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Matthewrbowker|<span style="color:#990000">Comments</span>]] · [[Special:Contribs/Matthewrbowker|<span style="color:#009922">Changes</span>]]</sup> 23:07, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

== User scripts - a maintenance nightmare ==

The current system with user scripts is admirable. However, it becomes quite regular that users use the scripts of others. Editors without the {{mono|edituserjs}} right (i.e. not [[WP:A|Administrators]]) cannot edit the scripts of others. Unfortunately, this has lead to forking of scripts when a new feature is wanted or when the maintainer becomes inactive. Take for example [[User:Theopolisme/Scripts/adminhighlighter]] - based on [[User:Amalthea/userhighlighter.js]] which was in turn based on [[User:Ais523/adminrights.js]]. Then I made this one based on that: [[User:Bellezzasolo/Scripts/adminhighlighter]]. It would be far better to have one centralized script with parameters for custom features. At the same time, there are problems re. vandalism - user scripts are particularly sensitive, especially with malicious code possible.<br />
'''Possible solutions:'''
* Centralized scripts generally editable - '''support''' - more maintainers '''oppose''' very risky
* Centralized scripts editable by template editors/admins - '''support''' more centralized '''oppose''' those without bit may create forks
* Template editors have {{mono|edituserjs}} - '''support''' Better maintenance possible by technically minded editors '''oppose''' uncentralized, does not eliminate forking issue
* Do nothing - '''support''' status quo, safe. '''oppose''' Forking and maintenance problems above.
[[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 04:35, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
: You may be interested in reading [[WP:Gadget]]. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 05:15, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:: {{u|Anomie}} oops... I'd better take a look around. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 05:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Monobook skin: Add VE tab ==

Okay, here it is: I'd like to have a tab on pages that allows me to open the VisualEditor directly without having to open the source editor first and then switching. I know that this can be achieved by appending something to the URL, so what I now need is to add a tab to the page to take me directly there. Can someone with the technical skills tell me the code to use? Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 13:22, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's already at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]]. If you have a checkmark at "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" then remove it and save preferences. Go back to [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]] and select your tabs at "Editing mode". [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
::Weird way to hide it there but thanks for pointing that out to me. I had it disabled initially because it was loading every time and so of course I didn't realize they now actually made it useful. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 17:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Strange page markings  ==
{{tracked|T188865}}

[[Special:Contributions/There'sNoTime]] currently looks like this:
{{coltop}}
<small>pending email) (current)
13:25, 4 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+166)‎ . . Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alechkoist ‎ (→‎Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments: Likely. (using responseHelper))
13:24, 4 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+146)‎ . . User talk:Chamellen ‎ ({{tl|checkuserblock-account}}. (TW)) (current)
13:24, 4 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+146)‎ . . User talk:Luke Raz ‎ ({{tl|checkuserblock-account}}. (TW)) (current)
13:23, 4 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+112)‎ . . Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alechkoist ‎ (In progress. (using responseHelper))
13:02, 3 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+6,114)‎ . . User talk:There'sNoTime/Archive 13 ‎ (OneClickArchiver adding 1 discussion) (current)
13:02, 3 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-6,114)‎ . . User talk:There'sNoTime ‎ (OneClickArchiver archived 1 discussion to User talk:There'sNoTime/Archive 13) (current)
21:38, 2 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (-5)‎ . . User:There'sNoTime/sandbox ‎ (. . 1̸̧͖̲̘̳͈͎̼̦̜͆̿̽̃̕2̥̫̤̟͓̬̟̓̄̌͂͌̿̑͢͜͝3͕̥͇̥͔̱̦̅͗͋̃̀͐͐̀͜͟1̴̳͓͇̜͉̣͙͓͍̾̐̔̈́̄͊͠2̧̬̳̥̱̪̹͔̣̿̇̑̾̃͟3̸̨̼̲̩̣̮͔̜̦̹̔̒̂͂̐1̸̨͚̲̙̤̤̦͎̊̎̍͗̅͗̃͘͞͝ͅ2̷͕̤̦̲͔̻̗̥͈́̔̽̃͐͘3̵̨̡̩͕̮͌̓͐̓̑͝ͅ1̛̰̼̠͎̮̹̌̌̄͗̍̓͢͝2̢̛̲̞͖̹͈͑̓̒́̒̋͢͞͡ͅ3͎̰̰̹̪̟͑̅̎̒̐͋͆̚͜͡1̵̧̛͖̦̺͙̰̯̺̿͊̽̕͜͞2̮͍̩̟̙̘̯̍͂́̈̓̕̕͡3̷̧̛͈͍̦̥͕̟̝̆̅̎̾1̛̠̬̯͚͓̩̤̽̌̀͊͗̎͌̅̐2̗̘̯̖̹̝̂̏͆̓͛̌͛̑͝ͅ3̹̝̭̼̼̟̺͂̌̂͒̔̔̒͢ͅ1̧͔̙̻̞̭̥͉̗̈̂̍͐̀̆̕͟2̛̰̝͍͔̼̲̦̍͂̂̄̒͘ͅ3̡̡͙̪͎͕͍̻͋͆̐̔̑̍͌̾̔1̨͇̬̲̥̑͌́͠͠ͅ2̵̣͙̣̤͔̫̌̓̆̌̆͘͝ͅ3̡̝͙̣͔̺͈̍̌̓́͘͟1̡͚̦̰̱̗̠̦̀̏̄̊͛͌̐͋̋͋2̧̛̠̼̤͍̱̗̩̰͑͌̎̂̋̐͘3̵̨̛̭̯̹̻̤̙͙͚̪͆̊̋͛́1̥̞͉͚̮̖̼̮̭̄̂̏̋̈̊̔͜2̩̙͉͍̳̟̍̾͒͂͐̄̾͆͜3̨̢̛̦͎̳̟͇͇͚̀͊̅̂͢1̸̡̥̦̣͙́̐̋́̕2̴̦͚͙͚̦͈̘͇̽͑͐̅̇́͡3̸̡͖̦̖̮̭̗́̔̓̊͒͛̓͝ͅ1̧̛͉̫̠̞͑́̐̿̐̔͢͡͞2̸̡͇̠̬̱̘̗̫̐͂͌̏̓̂̓͡͠3̡̞͔̞͍͊̑̋̋̂͆̿͘̚͢͡1̧̻̯͚̝͚̩̽̈̂̾̇́̌́͞2̷̩͙̪͓̘͚̦̄͂͗̌̓̏́́̇͞ͅ3̹̙̙̤̣̯̮̙͊́̏̍̍̂́͞1̸̝̻͈̟̼͔̮̞̃̎́̂̚2̹̮̲̩͉͖͓̦͚͓͂́͒̈̇͆͑̍3̡̗̝̘̙̰̗̲̣̙̐̎͆̔͛̚͠͡1̟͔̻̯̻̈́̔̂̂̚2̶̮͇̼͔̙̦̹͔͍͐̋̀̈́̒́ͅ3̴̣̹͈̱̫̞͕̪̹̀̅́͊̚͢1̷̡̢̘͍̮̤̼̯̆̈́̅̄̏͜͝2̷̨̡͚͎͕̯̟̜͑͌͂̅̿̿́̚͟3̵̢͕͕̝̤͉̓̿̉̆̋͂̓̇͜ͅ1̣̳̠̱͒̅͐̑̀͢2̵̨͈̳̺̤̝͗̆̓͂̉̀͑͘̚͝3̶̡̡̨̖̘̙̭͎͑͊̊̓͗͜ͅ1̷̠̬̩̟͉̼̞̀̏͌̔͐̎͌͂2̟̜͚͈̔̿̀͛̚͘͢͡3̴̡͚̩͍̙̅̀̓̽͑͂̽̚͜͞1̸͔͓̭̳̗̥̙̍͌̈́̄̌̇̄̏͡2̯̩͇̹͓̠̰͍̩͕̈̈̎̓̏̏͞3̶̡̛̭̰̬͌͑̂̂͛̊̀͞ͅ1̷̢̪͙̮͓̖̜̺̠̮̒̓̒̆͗2͎͚͍͉̩̙̜͌̓̃̿̇̀...) (current)
21:35, 2 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+2)‎ . . User:There'sNoTime/sandbox ‎ (B̨̨̖̘̬̰̘͖̥̳̠̣͙̖̼̦̼̰̈́ͪͥ̂ͪ̀̚͡ų̶̤̼̲͎͓͖̭͓̲̹͐ͧͦ̌̾̒̾̈̒ͦͧͩ͑ͭ͜ͅl̑̌̈ͦ҉̴̪̯̻̞̳̥̰̘̮̺͇̟͖̺̣͈͕̠͟͞ḷ̴̻̳̳͍͙͓̱̂̔ͬ͗͐̃ͬ̒̍̃̓̀͟͠ṗ̧̡̨͎͕̩͔̹͔̣̪̯̜̲͕̗̮͚̜͍ͣͬ̊̐̽̅ͧ͒͌͋̑͐̇ͨ͒e͕̥̠͙̟̙̟̹̝̱̠̞͉̼̟̦̍ͪͯ̽ͯͫͣ̉̇ͣͯͪ͐̑ͫ̏̃̑ͤ̀͡n͍̟̞̬͍̅͌́̈́̂͒ͬͮ̔ͬ̋̎͊̎͌͌ͮ̈́ͨ͟͢ ̧̲͇̟̺͕̫͓̍ͣ̓̓ͫ̀̚s̸̙̮̩̣͈̳̲̾͋ͭ͗̈́ͪ̓̐ͭͥ͋̇̀ả̡͉͕͚͕̘͎̩̟̱͓̙͈̱͓͋̋͆ͧͮ̉͊̔̐ͭ̐̊ͭ̃͞c̵̵̢͓̥͉͓̝͚̦̞͙ͮ̽ͫ̔ȑ̛̦͍͖̰̳̣͎̯͉̘̼̩͈̰̔̑̉͆ͬͩ̈̓̋ͦ̈́̈́̽̇̂̀̀͢i̫̮̪͎̟͇̗͚̲ͮ͒̽ͥ̒͆̄ͭ̀f̶̡͚͍͍̮̥͚͕͉̠͎ͯ͒ͦ̀ͯ͛͟͞͝ͅi̶̢̧̳̞̠̦̺̼̬͚͈̜̺͊̄̾ͥ̓ͥ̆ͧ̇͗́c̶̻̫͈͕͕̱̯̣̺̳̙̰͓͍̪̟͂ͩ́͐ͨ͑ͪ͊̃̿ͫ̑̏́̆ͣͩͤ̇e̶̷̲̞͚͉͑́ͥ͑̆̋̇ͨ̓ͬͩ̈̓̾̈̋̀̾͠ ̸͚̫̲̭͔͔͓̙̩̻̲̈̎̄͐̋ͮͣ̋̀͘f̈́ͣ̃ͪ͋ͩͩ̓ͥͮͩ̀̒̈́̕͟͝͏͓̮͇͎̮̦͍̳̭̙͉̩̟̘ͅl̴̗̳͈ͥͨͬͦͭ̐ͭͪ͂̊͊ͨ̾̑ͣ͘͢y̵͙̜͓̩̦͕̟͇̮͓̬̦̦̺͔̦̜̲ͦ̔̃̍̉ͮ̃̉̌̆͒̌̀ͧ͜͝ ͐ͭ̑̋͏̢͏̣̜̙͕̜̯ͅlͦ̈͋ͯ͐̚͜͟҉͔͓̹̥̗͓̙͓͕̯̠̖͎̞̭̞̭̱eͭ̂ͧͨ̀ͭͧ̓ͦ͏͕̫̯̙̻̖̯̮̙̠̬̦̣̘̻͘ͅa̵̴͖̦̳̣̖̮̹͚̟̗͍̓ͭ͋͋̿̈̈́̃͛̑̓̓̋ͭ̿͠g͈͔̯̭͔̲͎͑͆̔̋͟u̶͌ͥ̑ͯ͆ͬͪ̉̃̋̚̕҉͏̹͙̖̙͕̟̻͖͎̻̲͕̯͉̗̱̘ͅe̢̖͎͎̖̫͛̿ͮ͆͛ͦ̔̇̀̂̓͌ͩ͌ͫ̀͞ ̷̵̟͙̫͚͇̬̲̠͙̟̹̪͈̖̮̺̭͙͓ͫ͛̅͗͂͌ͨ̔͝ļ̸̺̝̜̣̺͆̓ͫ̇ͭ̆̉̑̊̊̀̑̾̉ͤ̀͞͠ȩ̛̛̪̥̰̹̲͕̘̒̌̀͒ͫ̒̀͛ͣ̉ͯ̓͟͠f̶̡̳̭͍̥̩̭̲͉͈̲̯͖̞̥̫͚̗̬̲ͮ̔ͭͭͣͣ͊͑͒̍̀͐̈͆́͑̚͟ţ̷̺̬̲͎͓̝̯͈̩̥̣̦̬̐ͬͥ̈́ͧ̎́͜ ̶̰͍̙̹͓̟̘̯͈̲͎̙̗̖̲͖̬̻̿ͩ͑͌͒̽̾̇ͣͯͥ͟ơ̡͎͉̹̣͕̥̈́ͫ̑ͬ̈́̌̒ͭ̈́ͨͭͮ̆͞ņ͖̠̭̮͓̗͓̠͚̲̱̝͚̖̲̹͔̰̇̃̆̾ͣͥͤ͊͊̇ͨ͌̎͛͌̿̆́̚͟ͅ ̅ͪ...)
21:33, 2 March 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+3)‎ . . User:There'sNoTime/sandbox ‎ (Ţ̴̛̝͉̱̬̎̎̈́ͣ͒̔̎̅̈̃͋͋̓͛ͧ̃ͮ̒̕͠ö̧̡̦͎̦̱́́̈́ͫ͂̾̑̑̽̉̆̑̓ͅ ̣̦̳̻̪͓̲̳̹̊̈̓͌̽ͤͭ̒̈ͯ̆͌̓͆̊͠͠i̸̢̜̜̘̩̥̯̤̙̠̱̣̱͍̤̹ͪͪͫ͐́͑̅̽̕n̶̨̙̩̻̩̞͙̱͔͖͕̼͈̮͕̍ͬ̌ͫ̔ͧͬͩ̆ͤͫ̉͒͗͗̉ͅͅv̸̵̵́̾̃͂̓͗͂͊ͧ̈͗̈́̑͆́͂̑͒̚͏͓̠̙͉̣͉o̊͗̋̾̆́ͯ͛̍ͮ̃̔̋͂ͣ͡͏̤̩̜̫͇̻͎̪̬̻͚͕̣̼̟̲̣̖͘ͅkͯͨ̀ͨ͋̇̑͋̚҉̴҉̱̗̣̮͇̙e̸̥̗͙̝͎̰͍̞̻̺̺̠̹͖͛̔̋͌̿ͧ̿ͪ͐̏͌͋̈ͧͨ̄̕͜͡ͅͅ ̴̧̧̼̭͎͈̝͈̩͙̍̏̒͛̀ṫ̊̔̎͡҉̝̳̟͎̦͚͇̞̝̘̭̘͖͕̰̖̻h̡͈̻͇̘͕̼͕͚̄ͦͤͣ̏̈ͥe̙͕̼͍̥̖̪̠̱̦̱͒͋̔̎̓͆͑ͩͣ̏̋͘ ̐ͣ̓̒̏̃̇̉̈͞͏̥̞͇̦͕͖̥̗̜͢͡ͅh̡̛̓̌̿̐̌͛̒̂̏̆̌̓̃ͥ̕͏̵͕̲͈̫i̿̑̔̋͒ͤ̍͑̎̐͐ͨͫ̑͒̎̾͞͏̢̤̩̪̰͙͢͝v̧̢̜̱̞͍̦͍̖̿̐̓͒̋͊̀ͬͤ̅ͪͯ̚͠͡ȩ̟̮̤̭̱̰͇͎̦̖̰͓̜͕̞̠͓̠͂͐̒͆ͦ̎̿̅͒͗ͥͭͬ̄̄̍ͨ͑ͮ́͘͘-̸̼͇̩̼͍̰͈̺̬͍̘̏̐̾̀̏̇ͤ̑̅̽̌̿ͧͮ̈́͋̊́̚ͅm̟̹͍̻͈̰̖̅ͪ̇ͨ͋ͨͣ͘͢ͅi̸̺̥̥̝̺͓̜̪̬̤͔ͨͦͮ̄͒̅͆͛̋́̀̕n̵̷̲̣̩̦͕͔̠̻̦̦͕̠̯̙͔̱̱̳ͣ̄ͥ̍͐͗͆̿ͦ́ͥ̑ͧ̈͡ḍ̷̖̦͚̱̮̩̟̠͗ͩͣͦ̌͛̅ͪ̍ͧ͛́̀̄̚͟͞ ̤͈̩̰̭̙͎͇͔͖̺̜͕͚̙̦̦̀ͧ̆͋̊̆̆ͭ͆ͭ̑̔͂ͩ̅̕ͅr̡͛ͣ̓̽̊́͊͊͋͗ͨ́҉͔̳͓̫͚̬͕̱̪̳̥̥̝͍̫̜̱̀͝ȅ̷̢͖̩̤͉͈͔͍͓̯͔̥̞̟͚̫ͭ̏͋͜p̢̛̣͎̹̤̯̹̲ͦ̔̽̎̕r̽̉̓ͦ͌͗̚͏̵̶̱̦̭̝̙̖̘͍̝̯̲̖̼̝͈̱̤̭́e̵̡̋͊ͪ͗̓͂͋͆ͥͫ́̿̊̒̀̚҉̗̼̲̥̲̼sͧ͊̿͐̑́ͦ͗͛̑̊̀̚͟͠͏̴̧̘̲̪͉͖̙͙̮̦̳̪̩̥̙̺ͅe͓̻̰̜͍̯͖̠̲͔͆͛̂̎ͫ̂̃̋ͫ̍̊ͭ́͞n̶̶͙͚̳͈̖̥̱̺̮͙̻͈̖̱̥̫̟̽̎̆̓͐̽̑͊͋t̷̮̻͓͕̤̆͒ͪͣͯ́̐ͮͫ͢į̷̷̡̪̤̺̜̦͉̺̹̯̩̉̾́̊͂̀̊̈͋̒͛ͦ͋ͮͦ̓͂͘n̸̲͙̭̲͇̞̤̹̗͍̺̟̮͍̳̣̲ͧ͗͌̊̅̽̂͋̐́̉ͯ̍͊̿̀̋̅̀͝g̶͚̦̩͔̯̦̻̳͎ͧ͗̆̆͑̈́̓̓́̓̔ͮ̑͐̎̀͡ ͛͑͗)
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Is somebody hacking it?   The interference has been getting worse over the course of the afternoon.  [[Special:Contributions/92.8.223.244|92.8.223.244]] ([[User talk:92.8.223.244|talk]]) 15:14, 4 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:Looks like testing of weird edit summaries to me. But you could just ask them on their talk page. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|c]]) 15:19, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
::I deleted the edit summaries.  They really disrupt the readability of their contributions page.—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:olive">Chat</span>]])</span> 15:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::It's because of [[ meta:Community Tech/Edit summary length for non-Latin language|this dev request]] implemented: now there's 1,000 character max in edit-summaries. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''' ...SerialNumber'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:dark blue">'''54129'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<sup>...speculates</sup>]] 15:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:Apologies for any alarm, this was a test. When I last looked it was a ''minor disruption'', but it appears that it expanded as my contribs list grew in size both below and above the edit summary. I've collapsed it above - [[User:There'sNoTime|TNT]]<sup>[[User talk:There'sNoTime|❤]]</sup> 15:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:::Stand down indeed.  It's just weird unicode characters.—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:olive">Chat</span>]])</span> 16:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{re|Cyberpower678}} ugg - sounds like we're going to need to make another abuse filter. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Xaosflux}} Wanna teach me how to make one? :D—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:olive">Chat</span>]])</span> 16:13, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Ha - though really I think this should be handled in core - going to open a ticket. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:13, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
*{{re|Cyberpower678}} {{re|There'sNoTime}} I've opened [[phab:T188865]] for this, think it is something that needs to be addressed globally, not just here. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
**Good call {{u|Xaosflux}} - perhaps [[combining characters]] could be ''limited'' in edit summaries somehow? - [[User:There'sNoTime|TNT]]<sup>[[User talk:There'sNoTime|❤]]</sup> 16:24, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
*Incidentally, this thread was created by a prolific (well, socking prolifically) [[WP:Long-term_abuse/Vote_(X)_for_Change|LTA]]...who must be falling over themselves laughing at the amount of admin time they've managed to choke up  :)  [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''' ...SerialNumber'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:dark blue">'''54129'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<sup>...speculates</sup>]] 19:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
**I'm sure it'll be {{talkquote|quoted at me out of context}} in the near future.. ho hum - [[User:There'sNoTime|TNT]]<sup>[[User talk:There'sNoTime|❤]]</sup> 19:39, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Android Chrome: when visiting mobile site on phone, check "desktop site" doesn't direct you to the actual desktop view ==

Instead, it will only display the same mobile view with different proportion. 

On [[Firefox]], though, it will initially show the same, but then redirect you to the actual desktop view. 

Is this a bug of [[Chrome]] or [[MediaWiki]]?--[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 01:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:On my phone (an iPhone 7 running iOS 11), I tried switching to desktop view on Chrome and it worked just fine. —&nbsp;[[User:MRD2014|<b style="color:blue">MRD2014</b>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:MRD2014|<b style="color:red">Talk</b>]]</sup> 02:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I should I specify I'm on Android. IIRC browsers on iOS in general are quite different, so it's possible they act different. --[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 04:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I have an android phone and desktop view on Chrome works and switches with no problems. [[User:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue;font-size: 1em;">Dr.</span>]] [[User talk:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue; font-size: 1em">K.</span>]] 05:21, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: It suddenly works now. Thanks for the testing. -[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 23:13, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Extra padding on mobile for ul items generated using plainlist ==

Can someone please take a look at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Extra padding on mobile for ul items generated using plainlist|this issue]] I brought up a few days ago? Thanks! – [[User:Srdjan m|Srdjan m]] ([[User talk:Srdjan m|talk]]) 10:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

== Image quality ==

I've noticed that the quality of PNG rendering has improved dramatically sometime in the last few months, and thumbnails are no longer blurred. However, is it just my imagination or have JPGs gotten a lot worse? I do a lot of work cleaning up logos, and whenever I remove the artefacts from a JPG and save at a reasonable compression I'm disappointed by the low quality of the images rendered in article space. (I realize that such small logos should probably be converted to PNG files rather than JPG.) The additional compression applied by the Mediawiki software when serving images at non-native sizes is understandable with large images but pretty woeful when it comes to smaller images, especially those smaller than 100,000 megapixels (such a Fair Use logos). It seems to me that, given the already small file sizes, it's hardly worth applying additional compression at all. Where can I look at the technical specifications and maybe stick my oar in? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 03:16, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
:I am guessing you are referring to logos stored on wikis other than Commons (here on enwiki, probably?). This is likely due to a standardization of image processing that happened last summer that I forgot to communicate. When we migrated thumbnail processing to [[wikitech:Thumbor|a new platform]] (which actually uses the same underlying image processing software and settings as before), we decided to not have special cases per wiki anymore - which are taxing to maintain - and we put the settings in line with Commons for all thumbnails. Commons (and now, "everything") optimizes JPGs for photos (using settings determined by the Commons community a long time ago), using enhancements like conditional sharpening. Which while they improve the visual quality of photo thumbnails, are indeed detrimental to logos and schematics. Because the workaround - and policy/expectation on Commons I believe - is to indeed upload non-photos as PNGs. I apologize about the disruption this change has caused, and I can imagine that re-uploading these images is going to be a significant amount of work. I encourage you to upload that type of image as PNGs if it's not too much trouble, as it fixes the problem and lets us keep image processing consistent across all of Wikimedia production.

:FYI PNG processing hasn't changed recently. Maybe some underlying libraries have seen an update through Debian, but I'm not even sure that's the case, nor that it could explain a sudden improvement. Our integration tests compare reference images created 2 years ago to the current output with [[Structural similarity|DSSIM]] and for PNG the threshold is 99% (it's only not 100% to let the tests pass locally on different platforms). Any drastic change in quality (for better or for worse) would be very likely have been detected by those tests.[[User:GDubuc (WMF)|GDubuc (WMF)]] ([[User talk:GDubuc (WMF)|talk]]) 09:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|GDubuc (WMF)}} Thank you very much for the in-depth reply. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 12:23, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

== EVERYONE IS AN ANONYMOUS USER! ==
{{tracked|T188214}}
When I see the contribution history of any page (mobile website), all users are "sleeping". [[Special:Contributions/179.228.224.8|179.228.224.8]] ([[User talk:179.228.224.8|talk]]) 22:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
:Someone? [[Special:Contributions/179.228.224.8|179.228.224.8]] ([[User talk:179.228.224.8|talk]]) 22:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

::I don't have access on mobile, so I'm not sure what you're asking for.  Maybe others here also don't understand.  Please clarify. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 23:11, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Contributions/179.228.224.8}} I so happen to use Wikipedia on both computer and tablet. I checked the contribs, and didn't find anything strange. Could you specify what you saw? Thanks. Sincerely, [[User: Zanygenius]]([[User talk: Zanygenius|talk page]]) 23:17, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
::::{{Ping| Zanygenius}} Registered users used to have a gray icon with a smile. But now all users have the pink sleeping face. [[Special:Contributions/179.228.224.8|179.228.224.8]] ([[User talk:179.228.224.8|talk]]) 01:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::[[Special:Contributions/179.228.224.8]] Aha, you mean [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/827243649 this], which I have no idea what that's about, sorry. What I can do for you is take this to the phabricator team. They'll know what's going on. For now, I wouldn't worry. And you can always see those grey faces on the history list (go to the bottom and click on the green bar.) Sincerely, [[User: Zanygenius]]([[User talk: Zanygenius|talk page]]) 01:55, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping| Zanygenius}} Can you take this to Phabricator, please? [[Special:Contributions/201.42.15.101|201.42.15.101]] ([[User talk:201.42.15.101|talk]]) 12:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::::{{done}} Okay, I've [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188214 asked] them, and hopefully your question will be responded.Sincerely, [[User: Zanygenius]]([[User talk: Zanygenius|talk page]]) 16:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::::{{Resolved}} [[Special:Contributions/201.1.217.139|201.1.217.139]] ([[User talk:201.1.217.139|talk]]) 16:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/10|Tech News: 2018-10]] ==

<section begin="technews-2018-W10"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks">
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/10|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* You can now make longer edit summaries. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T6715]

'''Changes later this week'''
* You can [[m:Community Tech/Ping users from the edit summary|notify users in edit summaries]]. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T32750]
* On [[Special:AbuseLog|Special:AbuseLog]] you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159061][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187971]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] Wikis can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|enable Citoid]] to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and  the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can [[mw:Talk:Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki|ask for help]] if you need it. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186276]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.24|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&year=2018&month=03&day=06 6 March at 19:30 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Editing team/Weekly triage meetings|how to join]].
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=16&min=00&sec=0&day=07&month=03&year=2018 7 March at 16:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* In the future you will be able to use global preferences. This means you could change a preference for all wikis instead of having to change it every time for each wiki. You can now [https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences test global preferences] and [[mw:Help talk:Extension:GlobalPreferences|give feedback]].
* You can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Map improvements 2018|read about planned works on maps]] during 2018. This will be done by June. You [[mw:Talk:Map improvements 2018|can give feedback]] on the planned maps work.

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== Severe display problems when editing ==

I'm (often but not always) having problems editing pages. Sometimes the cursor is displaced horizontally or veryically or both from where I am actually editing; sometimes the text I have typed is randomly rearranged (the beginning of this message curfently reads "I'm (ofte nbu tnot always) havgpro niblems editing pages", but I'm pretty sure I typed it correctly). Sometimes when I view the preview it has randomwly inserted newlines, so that part of my message appears monospaced. 
I've taken to saving the text and then going back and correcting the typos, because that's the only way I can get it to work.
I'm using Firefox 58.0.2 on two different Windows machines, and I've looked at my editing preferences in WP, and can't see anything that looks relevant.  

Going back into editing after reviewing the text, I see that the first line displays correctly in review, but still appears as I copied it above in the edit window. 

Help!--[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:37, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
:Your edit summary tags show you are using [[:mw:2017 wikitext editor]] ("New wikitext mode" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures]]). It has a feedback page at [[:mw:2017 wikitext editor/Feedback]]. Does it happen if you disable it? If you add <code>&safemode=1</code> to the edit url? If you log out? What is your skin at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]]? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks {{U|PrimeHunter}}. I forgot there was a "beta features" tab in preferences. I've tried turning that off - at the moment it seems to be behaving properly, but I'll try a few more edits over the next couple of days. It seems very likely that that is where the problem is (though it's obviously a bug somewhere, that needs fixing). --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

::My skin is Vector, by the way. However, although I turned the mode off in my preferences and saved the change, before I replied above, it is now turned on again. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
:::If guess you have selected "Automatically enable all new beta features" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures]]. Disable that and then the individual features you don't want. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:19, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

{{reply|ColinFine}} The 2017 wikitext editor and syntax highlight beta features can sometimes do weird things when used together. Are you using the syntax highlighting beta feature? --[[User:Deskana (WMF)|Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation]] ([[User talk:Deskana (WMF)|talk]]) 10:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

:Thanks, {{U|Deskana|Dan}}. As {{U|Pr9imehunter}} surmised, I had "Automatically enable all new beta features", and therefore had both Wiked 2017 and syntax highlighting on. I have just tried turning off syntax highlighting to see what happens. (I tried turning off Wikitext editor yesterday, but that didn't take effect, evidently because I had the automatic enable on) . --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

== Improvements to Page Previews ==

Hello,

We wanted to take a moment to update you all about a reader-focused feature called [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Page Previews|Page Previews]], which has also been popular as a [[mw:Beta Features|Beta Feature]] among editors. [[mw:Reading/Web/Team|The Readers web team]] at the Wikimedia Foundation has been working on a few things we’d like to share.
Most recently we: 
* Deployed the new HTML endpoint for generating previews, leading to better rendering of preview content (math equations work, more predictable formatting of information in parentheses, etc.) ([[phab:T113094|T113094]])
* Completed [[mw:Page Previews/2017-18 A/B Tests|two A/B tests on English and German Wikipedias]]. The results displayed a decrease in pageviews, but an overall increase in the number of pages readers interact with, indicating that they are more likely to explore a larger variety of topics when the feature is on.  We also noted decreased usage of the back button and very low rates of disabling the feature. These experiments built on earlier [[mw:Page_Previews#Success_Metrics_and_Feature_Evaluation|qualitative and quantitive]] testing of the feature.

Other improvements:

* [[phab:project/board/765/query/jJ.50s_0Xlq9/|Addressed and fixed many bugs]]
* Refactored the code (that's fancy developer-speak of restructuring the code to be more performant and stable) ([[phab:T149801|T149801]])
* Made sure Page Previews do not interfere with the functionality of Navigation Popups
** As both can not be run simultaneously, users of Nav popups will need to disable the gadget in order to try out Page Previews.
*  Reviewed feedback from readers across the web [https://twitter.com/torresromain/status/904357789006364673] [https://twitter.com/xtoq/status/903276948641771522][https://twitter.com/lsinger/status/903170252636377088] [https://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/80sybr/wikipedias_new_hoverhyperlink_beta/]

If you haven’t already, you can enable the feature [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering|in your preferences under Appearance]]. [[mw:Talk:Page Previews|Feedback]] on how things are working for you is welcome. The HTML endpoint change was deployed just last week and we’re very excited to see the improvements. We’re expecting some smaller bugs and edge cases, so please let us know if you notice something out of order. You can find out more [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Page Previews|about the feature on MediaWiki.org]].

Thank you, [[User:CKoerner (WMF)|CKoerner (WMF)]] ([[User talk:CKoerner (WMF)|talk]]) 20:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

== Edit tab missing for lede ==

Several weeks ago I noticed I no longer get an edit tab for the lede (as I had long selected in my Preferences); to edit a lede I have to open the whole article. Any reason why? Also, about the same time I no longer have the drop-down Insert tab under the edit window that gives me a choice of Symbols, Latin, etc.; I get a box with everything (almost?) in it. I use the Vector skin, and had not made an changes to my preferences in a while. And now I don't even see (because I'm blind??) a check box for an edit tab on the lede. Anyone know what's going on here? ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 21:58, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:It should be at {{myprefs|Gadgets}}, as "{{int:gadget-edittop}}" immediately below the "{{int:gadget-section-appearance}}" heading. It's working for me, in MonoBook skin. Perhaps a different gadget has been amended in such a way that they now conflict with one another. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:This symptom is usually caused when you are using a gadget or script which has not been updated for the various and sundry changes made to the MediaWiki Javascript environment over the past several years. The less likely but still possible cause is the one that RR64 gives. Given that you have had multiple scripts stop working, I would guess it is the former. What gadgets do you have enabled? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

::In Preferences I unchecked "Add an [edit] link", saved, then re-checked and again; no change. (Are the changes effected immediately? Or only on login?  [[Help:Preferences]] doesn't say.)

::I switched to Monobook. Font changes immediately, but no tab. Logged out, back in, no change. (Answering the prior question.)

::Under Gadgets I have enabled:<small>
::* Browsing: 
::: Suppress display of fundraiser banners 
::: Enable the Teahouse "Ask a question" feature -
::: Reference Tooltips (it also is not working)
::: FormWizard
::* Watchlist: 
::: Display watchlist notices 
::: base style 
::: Display green
::* Editing:
::: Citation expander 
::: Syntax highlighter
::: Form for filing dispute
::: CharInsert
::: refToolbar 
::: Add extra buttons
::* Appearance: 
::: Add an [edit] link
::: Add a clock
::: Display an assessment of an article's quality
::: Show radio buttons
</small>
::I have disabled each one and saved; no edit tab. I had "Wikitext syntax highlighting" enabled; disabling made no difference even after logging out. Any other ideas? ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 00:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Did you [[WP:BYC|bypass your cache]] at any time (especially after removing everything)? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 01:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::::I hit the page reload button, but perhaps that just goes to the cache. Dang. So... do it all over again? :-<  Tomorrow. ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]])

::No joy. I unchecked everything under Gadgets (except "base style"), changed the skin to Monobook, saved, logged out, cleared my cache (ctrl-F5), and logged in again. No edit tabs.  What .... wait a minute, standing by for a flash.

::Yup, just found it. A month ago I added the "NoScript" extension to Firefox. And apparently it didn't quite understand that I trust Wikipedia absolutely, every last word, even if there are a bunch of funny characters running all over the place. :-) And now, back to the garden. ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 00:31, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Lost the delete button ==

I can't seem to find the delete button in the "More" drop-down anymore. If I refresh a page quickly it's there and I can click on it and get the delete page, but if I let it load, it disappears. Could it be one of [[User:Anarchyte/common.js|the scripts I've got]]? <b style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span>]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span>]])</small></b> 09:42, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:Does [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?safemode=1 safemode] work? It omits loading local js and css pages, also from gadgets and the MediaWiki namespace. You can preview personal js and css pages to see the effect of changes on that page (but not on other pages). Do you get a delete link when you preview blank versions of any js page at [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Anarchyte/]]? If safemode fails then you can just say so and skip the js tests. What is your browser and skin? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|PrimeHunter}} It [https://i.gyazo.com/32e9800e0e8b04bb68586bb8c9e39fb8.png works fine in safemode] and when I blank my common.js and hover over "More", [https://i.gyazo.com/f01b4b8e938e1ab8be4e398ddf1c8aa4.mp4 nothing comes up at all]. I'm using Firefox 58.0.2 with the Vector (default, I believe) skin. <b style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span>]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span>]])</small></b> 11:25, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::It appears from the "Page" tab in your screenshot that you have enabled "MoreMenu" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]. I don't use that gadget but after enabling it all of my Delete, Move and  Protect links have disappeared from "More", and I don't see any of them under "Page". The gadget also removes Move from my autoconfirmed non-admin account. I use Vector and Firefox. Pinging [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] who made [[MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-vector.js]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::With the gadget enabled I have Delete, Move, Protect under the "page" tab in MonoBook but in Vector they just disappear from More. I guess the gadget tries to remove the links from More and add them to Page instead but the latter part fails. Tested on [[Example]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I have all three links under "Page" in Vector with IE, Edge and Chrome. It only fails in Firefox where the only links under Page are:
<pre>Page logs…
Analysis…
Tools…
Latest diff
Purge cache
Subpages
</pre>
:::In Chrome I have:
<pre>Page logs…
Analysis…
Tools…
Delete page
Latest diff
Merge page
Move page
Protect page
Purge cache
Subpages</pre>
:::Merge (admin feature for history merge) is also missing in Vector. That link is only added by MoreMenu and not part of the normal More tab. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:Yes it moves the More links to Page/User accordingly, to consolidate them. It should also remove the More menu if it is empty, but I guess that part was never implemented... Anyway, let make sure I've got this right -- {{u|Anarchyte}} ''does'' have the relevant links, they just didn't realize they were moved under Page. Is that correct? Perhaps you recently enabled the gadget?<p>Meanwhile, even under "Page" the links are missing for {{u|PrimeHunter}} in the Vector skin while using Firefox. Can you try [[WP:BYPASS|clearing your browser cache]] (or try in Firefox's "Private browsing")? All the links show up for me, in Chrome and Firefox. It's possible MoreMenu somehow has a cached version where it doesn't think you're an admin. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 16:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::It also failed to display the Move link in a non-admin account where it should be present. But it worked to clear all website data in Firefox. I now have the missing links under Page. It wasn't enough to use {{keypress|Ctrl|F5}} or clear cached web content. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:29, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Glad you got it working! :) The only thing MoreMenu caches is your user rights. My guess is the initial API call to fetch your user rights failed, so it thought you were an unconfirmed user, hence why the Move link was missing. Reviewing the code, I don't think this (rare) failure is properly handled. I will look into it!<p>Unrelated, you say clearing the cache by itself didn't do the trick, which tells me ''that'' issue probably isn't MoreMenu, because it caches using localStorage. Maybe something with ResourceLoader... who knows! <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 17:56, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|MusikAnimal|PrimeHunter}} Thanks for your help! I cleared cache and cookies for Wikipedia and now all the buttons are back under "page". Cheers, <b style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span>]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span>]])</small></b> 04:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Hover highlighting ==

This feature is to be primarily used in collapsible assistive boxes, not in articles, although one could find such a functionality useful to build collapsible serial map boxes for metro lines, where hide/show clickables, if used instead, would mess the box and annoy as the only clickable area to do expand/contract.

Hover highlighting is useful (or needed) in [[Template:user sandbox+]] ([https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Article_template_libraries_-_user_sandbox_space_organization granted]) tool which renders like this [[User:ManosHacker/sandbox]] in English and like this [[:el:Χρήστης:ManosHacker/πρόχειρο]] in Greek. There is quite a difference between the two, to catch the eye and the will to play.

Hover highlighting code, used in Greek Wikipedia, is placed in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]] and is given below.
<small><pre>
$('.hover-bgc').hover( function() {
	$(this).attr("data-hover-bgc-original", $(this).css("background-color"))
	var parentSpec = $(this).parent('.hover-bgc-parent').attr('data-hover-bgc-child');
    $(this).css({ "background-color" : ((typeof parentSpec !== typeof undefined) && (parentSpec !== false)) ? parentSpec : $(this).attr('data-hover-bgc') });
}, function() {
    $(this).css({ "background-color" : $(this).attr('data-hover-bgc-original') });
});
</pre></small>

If you have a look in [[Template:Cheatsheet]] and [[:el:Πρότυπο:Εργαλειοθήκη]] to compare, you will see a difference while hovering above the text of collapsible headers. By highlighting on hover, the reader gets a hint to click. For another demonstration, check [[:el:Πρότυπο:Συγγραφή λήμματος]] (also in Greek) which is a collapsible help with sub-levels. There is no hint to click the collapsible, if hover highlighting is absent. And what about building a collapsible help, where click is done upon collapsible headers that reveal videos of 15 seconds each, to immediately assist an editor giving specific editing instructions? <small>(coming soon)</small>

I think it would be assistive to implement it in English.   <small>[[User:ManosHacker|<span style="text-shadow:#ffffff 0em 0em 0.2em,#aabbdd -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#aabbdd 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#336699">ManosHacker</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ManosHacker|talk]]</sup></small> 11:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:It would be great if an admin could add this, it is a feature that manos has been working on for a long time, it has been already implemented on greek wikipedia and soon is going to be added in couple of more [[User:Mardetanha|Mardetanha]] ([[User talk:Mardetanha|talk]]) 07:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

::I am transferring it in technical VP, from idea lab VP. The full code, as given here, is tested for months in Greek Wikipedia. An example of code usage is this:
::<code><nowiki><div class='hover-bgc' data-hover-bgc='#e5f0fe'>►hover over me</div></nowiki></code>
::<div class='hover-bgc' data-hover-bgc='#e5f0fe'>►hover over me</div>
::You can enable in your own Common.js and see the result here and in the examples above.
::If it does not issue a security or other issue, please enable it.   <small>[[User:ManosHacker|<span style="text-shadow:#ffffff 0em 0em 0.2em,#aabbdd -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#aabbdd 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#336699">ManosHacker</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ManosHacker|talk]]</sup></small> 17:35, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
: '''Oppose''' just do it the way such things normally work on enwiki: having separate "show" and "hide" buttons  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 21:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:: Also, at least to me, [[Template:User sandbox+]] is a huge mess internally.  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 21:37, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

:instead of getting into technicalities, can someome please first explain what they are trying to do ? My first intuition tells me that this is something that doesn't work on mobile, and for people with screenreaders and the likes.. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 06:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

::Hello [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]], these are templates to be used inside the sandbox space of users, to help newbies create articles. The main tool can also be handy to advanced users who wish to work using their own page templates for article creation and publish directly to main space. User sandbox is not present in mobile devices as a link, so it is a safe place to put these tools for assistance, until collapsible becomes ready for mobile (if any).   <small>[[User:ManosHacker|<span style="text-shadow:#ffffff 0em 0em 0.2em,#aabbdd -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#aabbdd 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#336699">ManosHacker</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:ManosHacker|talk]]</sup></small> 07:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Invisible text bugs not fixed? ==

{{phab|T188215}} is said to be fixed in MediaWiki 1.31.0-wmf.23, which [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|has been dpployed to all Wikipedias]] as of 1 March. However, I am still getting the same bug: When both the 2017 wikitext editor ("new wikitext mode") and syntax highlighting are enabled, I get invisible text on image pages. (Note: A workaround is to simply refresh the page, {{em|unless}} two edit tabs are enabled in preferences.)

Is anyone else still getting this bug? [[User:Anon126|<span style="background-color: #000"><span style="color: #fff">Anon</span><span style="color: #0ff;">126</span></span>]] ([[User:Anon126/R|notify me of responses!]] / [[User talk:Anon126|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Anon126|contribs]]) 23:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

:Thanks for posting this on the Phab task.  I pinged Rummana to it; she's absolutely amazing with sorting out bugs like this.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 17:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Problems with the visual editor? ==

Since today, whenever I try to use the visual editor it will sporadically delete, move, link, italicize, or add spaces to parts of the article. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73gg8We9VYs This video] should show what I'm talking about. [[User:Itsquietuptown]] reported a similar problem [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Is_the_visual_editor_broken?|here]].  <sup>[[User:UserDude|–User]]</sup><sub>[[User:UserDude|Dude]]</sub> 02:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|UserDude}} This sounds like it might be related to [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Severe display problems when editing|Severe display problems when editing]] above. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 12:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
::Maybe.  It seems to be triggered by the nowiki tag in the middle of that article.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Get page ID via API ==

Guys, could someone remind me, how to get page ID via API if I have page title? Did look trough action=query, but didn't find the right option. Actually, I would like to get page IDs for all pages linked from [[Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5|this page]] (specifically Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/*** pages), but specific query for one page will be ok. --'''[[User:Edgars2007|<span style="color:#FF6600;">Edgars2007</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Edgars2007|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Edgars2007|contribs]])</small> 18:33, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:action=query, prop=info. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main%20Page => pageid=15580374. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 18:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:: You don't even need prop=info to get the page ID: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&formatversion=2 [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 20:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks. --'''[[User:Edgars2007|<span style="color:#FF6600;">Edgars2007</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Edgars2007|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Edgars2007|contribs]])</small> 18:37, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

== Watchlist adding and removing fails intermittently ==

Has anyone else been having problems today adding pages to, and removing pages from, their watchlist? It started happening to me for no apparent reason at around 21:00 UTC, 7 March 2018 (I don't often have the need to do this regularly, so it's been probably at least a week since I've have to change my watchlist before today). I tried to add about 10 pages in a row (opened in different tabs) to my watchlist via the star-click method and the vast majority failed, giving a "An error occurred while changing your watchlist setting…" pop-up message. Retried, and all or almost all failed again. I tried using the Alt-Shift-w keyboard shortcut, same thing. Tried logging out and logging back in, same thing. Occasionally one attempt would work, but the majority of times failed with the same error message. Since the problem was intermittent (in particular, sometimes working), I figured it wasn't just a problem with the configuration of my browser (FF 52.4.0 on Gentoo Linux) or my particular wiki account, so I reported the issue at the Phabricator ([[phab:T189160]]); more details can be found there. Given that no one seems to be talking about this here at VPT or at [[WP:VPM|VPM]], it doesn't appear to be a widespread problem, but I figured I'd post about it here, anyway. It's still happening as I post this, although the failure rate is way down (looks like waiting just a few seconds after a failed attempt is enough now to allow for a success; that wasn't true even a few hours ago). - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 05:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

== Apparent problems with STiki ==

Hi. I started using STiki today. Apparently, despite me attempting to revert only one edit, it is reverting the edit I intend to revert and the edit after that without my agreement. I had to go back and undo these changes. It seems strange for STiki not to work. I pressed '''Vandalism''' when I found vandalism and it reverted that edit and the edit after that. Why is this happening? I had to stop using this tool as I can't continue if it is blindly reverting without my agreement. [[User:Pkbwcgs|Pkbwcgs]] ([[User talk:Pkbwcgs|talk]]) 21:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
:Hi, this sounds like a serious bug. I would ask about it at [[WT:STiki]], and be sure to include what operating system you're using (Windows 10, MacOS Sierra, etc.). Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 06:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

== Infobox title is not center-aligned on mobile ==

I don't know if this was brought up before, but the title of certain infoboxes is not center-aligned on mobile. It seems to break depending on which {{tl|Infobox}} parameter is used to make the title. When you use "above", like in {{tl|Infobox person}}, it's fine (see {{plainlinks|//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus Albert Camus}} – {{plainlinks|http://u.cubeupload.com/srdjan/J8PDh4.png screenshot}}), but when you use "title", like in {{tl|Infobox company}}, the software seems to think it's a regular table caption and it applies <code>text-align: left;</code> to it (see {{plainlinks|//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment Blizzard Entertainment}} – {{plainlinks|http://u.cubeupload.com/srdjan/NcIP9z.png screenshot}}). –&nbsp;[[User:Srdjan m|Srdjan m]] ([[User talk:Srdjan m|talk]]) 08:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:The one is a header cell, and the other is a table caption. Due to the way table captions work, if they are too long, they overflow unhelpfully. If they are wider than the table, you would see the 'middle' part of the title, and not the start of the title. There aren't very simple fixes for that problem that could be found, so it was decided to keep them left aligned instead. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::I'll see if I can find the ticket on this problem, maybe some things have changed for the better since we last looked at it. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

== Visual  Editor freezing at 'Publish Changes' ==
{{tracked| T187690}}
Hi - I'm experiencing severe problems demonstrating Visual Editor during an editathon event in which we're seeing VE freeze at the 'Publish changes' stage. It will not allow me to switch back from VE to source editing, either.

We have reproduced this issue on two separate Windows machines, and in both Chrome and Firefox. In the latter instance I logged out as me and tried to edit as another autoconfirmed  user here who, unlike me, has never changed any of their default settings or installed scripts or activated any beta functions. A third editor also recreated the problem via their account. There was no difference in what we experienced - VE froze. The accounts we edited from were mine, [[User:Jonxennialuk]] and [[User:Mainlymazza]].

To  reproduce the fault we edited [[Buxton & Leek College]]  in VE, we tried to copy, cut and then repaste an entire section with its heading into a different part of the article. At times a  few letters that we had not typed ourselves also appeared, and we deleted these. At times we lost formatting of the Heading without any user input. On hitting Publish changes the process froze, so we were unable to enter an edit summary.  On trying to  switch to Source editor we got as far as the 'confirm'  you want to switch stage and could go no further; we had to  close the programme. The same fault was recreated whilst editing another article in exactly the same manner.

Any  ideas? Regards from [[WP:Derby18|Derby University's IWD Editathon]].  [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 13:38, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Nick Moyes}} Not sure if [[mw:VisualEditor/Debugging]] offers any ideas. The "Network" tab of your web browser's Developer Tools might also show you where things get stuck. --[[User:Malyacko|Malyacko]] ([[User talk:Malyacko|talk]]) 13:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Malyacko}} Thanks. I'm  afraid I'm  not sufficiently technical to be able to understand/investigate this further myself. I will have to 'leave  this here' and hope others can attempt to reproduce the issue or advise whether this might be some local issue as a result of half a dozen editors at max logged on to the  IP network accessing Wikipedia at once.  I've advised fellow hosts at the [[WP:TH]] that I'm experiencing this issue in case other new editors do too. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 13:52, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I also had some trouble there. I copied a section, and then pasted it just before the "References" section and VE magically added "Refer" between my paste and the references section. I then tried to click the publish button and the console reported: "TypeError: null is not an object (evaluating 'parentDomElement.lastOuterPost')". Might be something specific to that page ? —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:54, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Pretty sure this is [[phab:T187690|T187690]] —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 14:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yes, that looks like it. Thanks for linking to  my report here. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

== Edit conflict with myself ==

[[File:NeilN_edit_conflict.jpg|thumb]] For the second time in as many weeks, I've edit conflicted with myself on ANI. The edit goes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=829441428&oldid=829440753 through] but I get an edit conflict message. Very strange. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 18:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:I get this too sometimes when I accidentally double click publish changes. I don't suppose there is a remedy to this? [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]] ([[User talk:Alex Shih|talk]]) 18:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::I get this occasionally. My mouse is old and sometimes the left button bounces, so that an intended single click goes through as two clicks. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:08, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

==Historical block records erased — bug or [[Ministry of Truth]]?==
{{tracked|T188826}}
Bishzilla was admin in 2008 and 2009, perform some blocks, compare [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=829391932#Block_threats_from_admin%27s_joke_alt_accounts? AN thread]. See also example of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AFT2 block of specific user]. Used to be log of these blocks! Now gone![https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=Bishzilla&page=] How that happen? Where is block log? Pre-September 2009 block log by other admins also apparently erased. Why history erased? Especially considering old blocks still logged under blocked user. Is bug? Now look like Jimbo Wales never blocked Bishonen.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Jimbo+Wales&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&subtype=] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ABishonen He did, in 2009].) Disgraceful! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] 10:33, 8 March 2018 (UTC).

:Joking aside, it does indeed seem as if all blocks performed before ca. 20 September 2009 have been removed from the block log for all admins, which is probably not a good thing. Has this been communicated or discussed before? [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 10:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::Hmm...This definitely do look like a bug.Any phab ticket opened somewhere?[[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style= "color:green">~ ''Winged Blades''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style= "color:green">Godric</span>]]</sup>  11:59, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Not all of them are missing. The block log has plenty of entries for September 2009 and earlier, going right back [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&offset=20041223050000 to 23 December 2004] - those entries dated before 04:53 that day seem to be testing of a new feature. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::That's not what this is about, [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]]. When I try to look at ''the blocks by an individual admin'', such as Bishzilla or Jimbo Wales, it shows nothing earlier than September 2009. I know those blocks show up when you look in other ways: for instance, at the blocks of an individual user ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ABishonen example]), or at the whole block log, as exemplified by you. Phabricator now says it's been fixed[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188826] and the fix is "being deployed" — I suppose not deployed yet, because the problem persists when I look. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 16:23, 8 March 2018 (UTC).
:::::None of the previous comments state that it is only the blocks by an individual admin that are affected. Indeed, Fram wrote "all blocks performed before ca. 20 September 2009 have been removed from the block log for all admins". So I looked at the block log for all admins - and found thousands of entries. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

The problem is fixed. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 09:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Authority control ==

I think it could be useful there was a template like the {{tl|Authority control}} template that included {{tl|IMDb name}} (IMDb), {{tl|Find a Grave}} (Find a Grave), {{tl|MusicBrainz artist}} (MusicBrainz), {{tl|Discogs artist}} (Discogs) and {{tl|Wikidata entity link}} (Wikidata) identifiers. 

As I see it the authority control is a kind of navigation bar to other websites, specifically those that catalogue people, books and the like. It is clearly intended to assist identification of the subject. For various reasons related to reliability a number of indexes have been excluded, possibly due to reliability, although ORCID is also user-generated and is included.

Imdb is listed at the bottom of almost every article about an actor, it would make sense to have a template similar to Authority control but for biographies of people in the entertainment industry. I also don't see why there are links to all the library databases except ours, adding wikidata seems completely logical, especially as that is where the data is coming from. By having a set template, it would be easier to stop the proliferation of external links (often used as a store for promotional material), because the section would not be needed to link to IMDb/etc. It would also be easier to add the same template to all actors/musicians, and display better for people that are both. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 10:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

:All these sources are unreliable ones. Musicbrainz is already included in Authority control anyway (but should be removed from it as it is a wiki where the main text is just a reproduction of our article anyway), and Wikidata is linked from the left side panel. Adding Findagrave and the like to more articles, or institutionalizing it in a template, is the wrong way to go. Removing them from many more articles is what needs to be done. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 10:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::There is this big difference: {{tlf|Authority control}} ({AC})  only cross-links external ''identifiers'', not additional information ("what is this article named in library system Xyz?"). Accordingly, {AC} is not part of the article content (same as [[WP:NAVBOX|navboxes]]). So if you want to link to [[WP:EXTERNALLINKS]] (that ''do'' have extra info and are within article content), that would require a different template. One can not use {AC} for this.
::That said, by information approach: I think such an {AC}-''like'', and an MOS:EL-''defined'' template is useful and needed. Today {{tl|Chembox}} (an infobox), is overloaded with EL's in the identifiers section (e.g. [[Carbon monoxide]]). - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:DePiep]], you might consider using [[Template:Medical resources]] as a model.  Those links were previously handled in infoboxes.  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 23:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

* To be clear I am looking for a new template ''like'' Authority control, not to add imdb to the existing Authority control template, this would then be used instead of existing imdb, musicbrainz, discogs and fa grave templates. It would be used purely as an external link template, and would not allow people to cite imdb any more than they do already. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 11:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Fram}} I can't see Musicbrainz in the Authority control template documentation, for sme reason it's implementation has not been made clear. It is in [[Module:Authority control]], but I cannot not I can't see why it should be in that template. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 12:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::There are many more resources included in Authority control than there are listed in its documentation. Who decides about which numbers are included is not really clear, I suppose the handful of people reading the template talk page? A thorough discussion about which IDs should be included (or which ones should be included in some cases but not in others), and how to display this (removing the actual numbers and keeping only the database names would reduce the "heaviness" of the template significantly), is needed, but I'm not the one who is going to start it. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 09:10, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Article creation date ==

A researcher wrote to Wikimedia asking for help identifying the creation date of an article.

I responded that we typically equate the creation date to the date of the first edit.

I was slightly surprised I didn't find anything formally stating this.

I can think of a couple things to be concerned about if one adopted this is a rule (the intention, I believe, is to do a statistical analysis of the entire set of articles).
# Some of the edits of the very oldest articles are missing, so that the first edit one can find in the existing database is slightly more recent than the original creation edit.
# There may be some issues when a redirect is converted to an article. For example, if someone created a redirect 2010, and someone else converted it into a proper article in 2015, what is the creation date of the article? Depending on the nature of the study, one could make an argument for both dates and given that they might be separated by years, this is worth thinking about.

Are there other important classes of articles that could be an issue? In the case of deleted and restored articles typically the history is preserved so I don't see an issue there.

I would also urge the researcher to think about the definition of an article. For example, I believe we have more redirects than articles, and deciding to count redirects as articles would have major implications on average edits per article, for example.[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#000E2F;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">S Philbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 21:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:If a draft is moved to mainspace then it can be discussed whether the first edit or the move is the creation date. Sometimes the first edit is from a sandbox used for other purposes.  [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:The [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] project's criteria for a newly created article is the date on which it first  appeared in mainspace. As {{u|PrimeHunter}} suggests, an article can be worked on by one or more people in Draftspace or user sandbox for a very long time - years even - prior to being moved into mainspace. Sometimes moving a draft from a sandbox is a simple copy/paste job into mainspace or to [[WP:AFC]], thus losing every scrap of prior editing history. I'm not sure I'd ever consider that creating a redirect is the same as creating an article - in what circumstances might that seem to apply?  [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 09:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Please test pings in edit summary ==

1. Read this:
::"''You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [[:phab:T32750]]''"-- [[:meta:Tech/News/2018/10]]
2. Sign up at https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ using a different user name and password (not the one you use here). You may create multiple accounts if you like, just put a note on their user pages.

3. Edit a page and put a username link in edit summary. Confirm that you are receiving the notification correctly.

4. Test at different pages and in different ways.

5. Report bugs to [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=community-tech,community-wishlist-survey-2017,notifications Phabricator].

6. Share this comment with other people on other wikis, in different languages.

--[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 23:33, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:Please see [[mw:How to report a bug]] and use [[phab:maniphest/task/edit/form/1/?tags=community-tech,notifications|this Phabricator link instead]] (as follow-up bug fixes were nothing that was voted on in the Community Wishlist Survey 2017). Thanks. --[[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 11:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== NOTICE: EducationProgram extension is being deprecated ==

:<small>{{int:Please-translate}}. {{int:Feedback-thanks-title}}.</small>
Over the years many issues have been discovered from our engineering colleagues regarding the Education Extension, including security concerns. For this reason, and with a viable alternative platform available, we are starting the process to deprecate the extension and having it uninstalled where it has been activated. This includes this wiki [[Special:Courses]].

This means that the following steps will be taken:

# New programs are discouraged from using the extension and encouraged to use the [https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org Programs and Events Dashboard].
# Current ongoing programs will be supported, until the month of June, 2018.
# On June 30, 2018, the Education Extension will be shut down.
# If you are still running an education program that uses the Education Extension, please take the appropriate measures and also reach out to your colleagues and communities so they are also aware.

It should be noted that data of previous programs that ran on the Education Extension will remain safe, and we are working on documenting how to access that data.

Thus, we invite all Education Program Leaders (and users of the Education Extension) to take the [https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/learning-and-evaluation/set-up-wikipedia-education-program-course online training for the dashboard] so that you can benefit from this tool and make your work easier.

Did you know you can also use the P&E Dashboard at edit-a-thons, writing competitions, and other Wiki-based activities? [https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training More training courses for the dashboard are available here], so take a look!

Do you need to communicate with us about this?

* If you have comments or questions, please reach out to the Education Team at ''education[[File:At sign.svg|15px|link=]]wikimedia.org'', or the Programs and Events Dashboard group at ''dashboard[[File:At sign.svg|15px|link=]]wikimedia.org''.
* If you use Phabricator, you can also go to: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125618.
* You are also welcome to share questions and comments on [https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Education/Extension#Transitioning_to_the_Programs_and_Events_Dashboard_in_2018 outreach.wikimedia.org].

-- On behalf of the Education Team 19:56, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
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:This is just a dummy reply that contains a signature with a link to a user page so this thread will be archived. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 12:14, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Fixing bugs in math rendering ==
Is there some standard forum for reporting bugs with the Wikipedia software itself? Specifically, I'm looking for a place to report the bug described at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Typography#Apparent_bug_in_rendering_\operatorname*]] -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 19:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|The Anome}} Here is usually the correct first stop. If you are comfortable, you can [[WP:Bug report|report the bug yourself]] on [[:phab:|Phabricator]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
::As Izno said, bugs ideally get reported on [[phab:Phabricator]] by someone.  It might also be useful to leave a note at [[mw:Extension talk:Math]], but I don't know how closely that page is watched.  
::Support for math rendering has historically been an area where volunteer devs such as [[User:Physikerwelt]] have contributed more than WMF staff.  [[User:Debenben]] had a proposal up for the most recent [[:m:Community Wishlist]] to make some substantial improvements in rendering, but it didn't get enough votes to win.  The WMF is working on the plans for the upcoming fiscal year right now, and I've not heard anyone talk about math as a key area for improvements (which isn't proof that they're not).  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_162#Math_rendering_behavior_change here] for a similar issue.  I added a phab task for something similar, but no one seems to have really paid attention to it.  &ndash;[[User:Deacon Vorbis|Deacon Vorbis]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Deacon Vorbis|carbon]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Deacon Vorbis|videos]]) 20:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
::For some reason the input <code>\operatorname*</code> is replaced with <code>\operatorname {*}</code> by the texvc "validation". My suggested fix is to get rid of the broken validation. {{Ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} Is there a way to influence the plans to include math as an area for improvements?--[[User:Debenben|Debenben]] ([[User talk:Debenben|talk]]) 22:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
:::I believe that most of the changes you've outlined belong to the Reading team (because most of them are about how the formulas display to the readers), and probably [[User:Jkatz (WMF)]] knows the most about that team's plan.  Eventually, the drafts will be posted on [[:m:|Meta]], and any interested person can comment.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:50, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! Actually, I should let {{Ping|OVasileva_(WMF)}} speak to this, as she is closer to the plan than I am. Apologies for the delay. [[User:Jkatz (WMF)|Jkatz (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jkatz (WMF)|talk]]) 19:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|OVasileva (WMF)}} Any updates? 
:::::I think investing some time into improving the math rendering now would save the reading team a lot of work in the future. Currently there are various different incompatible workarounds used by the editors, each with its own set of problems affecting the readers: The svg and png images usually look bad (unreadably small on iPad1, broken image icons on android 2...), unable to handle languages with non-latin characters, uncopyable... The templates are difficult to use, non-standard, inaccessible to screenreaders and can't handle everything. All of these workarounds have to be maintained only due to the lack of a working rendering system like MathJax, which is what other websites use.
:::::Also, I don't think any volunteer developer would help to re-integrate MathJax or enable client side, HTML-based rendering if it will not become default. As an opt-in via MathML-capable browsers, plug-ins or user-scripts it is already possible today and an alternative system for hiding rendering problems of average readers from the editors is not useful. This situation will not change until the problem that kept the MathJax rendering option from becoming default is resolved: Providing servers (or using a third party cdn?) capable of delivering web-fonts to readers that don't have any suitable math-fonts installed on their device. I believe the additional traffic should not be an issue anymore.
:::::Finally, bad software that is completely useless will not attract volunteer developers. For example, I currently don't see the \operatorname* problem this thread started with ever getting fixed. I created a ticket for my proposed fix: [[phab:T188879]], it would already help if it gets discussed and agreed on.
:::::--[[User:Debenben|Debenben]] ([[User talk:Debenben|talk]]) 19:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Teahouse Ask-A-Question form fails to function in iOS ==

[[File:Teahouse Ask-A-Question form in iOS.png|thumb|Screenshot of Teahouse's "Ask a Question" form on iPhone 5 showing overlapping text and no acccess to the question box itself.]]
Over the last few months we've seen a number of reports at the Teahouse that our page does not display properly in iOS, and especially that our "Ask a Question" tool doesn't work on iOS devices. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2018_February_21#Rendering_problem here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_699#Test_post_via_Google_Chrome here].
I  can certainly confirm this to be the case, having first reported it myself in December 2017. The screenshot shown here was taken today, and is no different from how it  displayed back then. 

On clicking the blue "Ask a Question" form, it's possible to enter text into the "Subject" line, but there is no access to the box to complete the question text itself, and, as can be seen, other elements of the page overlap one another. - a real mess. I can also  confirm that if I log in from my  alternative account [[User:NM Demo]] (which uses only the default settings any newly signed up person would have), the problem is also seen there, too.

The issue is of special concern because new users who want to ask a question simply won't have sufficient knowledge to know what to do once the Teahouse's own form fails them. I'd really appreciate it if this could be investigated. Regards from the Teahouse, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 10:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Nick Moyes}} which version of iOS ? —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC) 
::Oops, sorry.  I can only speak for myself: iOS 10 (10.3.3 - if I'm reading my phone correctly).  I've intentionally not updated to iOS11 as I  understood that version 11 now saves image files in a format that renders them unreadable to Windows users. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that.  [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 11:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|TheDJ}} It's worth adding that I've just tried the similar-looking "Ask a Question" form at [[WP:CQ]] and I don't have any problem accessing the form's subject line, the main text entry box,or the Publish changes button, whereas that's not possible with the Teahouse's question box. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 11:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:Hmm, that's [[MediaWiki:Gadget-teahouse/content.js]] and it's about as broken on desktop as it's on mobile really. Really needs to be rewritten from scratch with OOui or something. Maybe if we look very nicely at [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] he might be willing to take it on as part of community tech ? :) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-teahouse.js&diff=829563525&oldid=759126953 disabled it for now] as this is just obstructive and prohibitive right now I think. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:12, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|TheDJ}} - thank you. I've just made a couple of test posts from a desktop PC and from my iPhone 5, and both post published OK. It's great when disabling something makes something else work properly. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::It does seem like a fairly important script. However it probably won't be trivial to rewrite it, at least if we use OOJS =p. I can't say if Community Tech would be able to work on this but feel free to create a phab task. You'd need to find something else to tag it with other than just community-tech, though :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 21:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== User talk namespace template message for updating accessdate ==

Is there a [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|user talk namespace template message]] to notify editors to update the {{para|access-date}} parameter in citing templates, such as {{tl|cite web}}? -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 11:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:Why would we need to do this? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 12:12, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::It's a common thing, I've noticed, for an editor to update the statistics for websites like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, especially for films and television series, and not update the access-date parameter when they do so. Per the documentation of {{tl|cite web}} for {{para|access-date}}: {{tq|Full date when the content pointed to by url was last verified to support the text in the article [...] Note that access-date is the date that the URL was found to be working and to support the text being cited.}} This means that the parameter needs to be updated whenever the statistics are as well. For editors that do not do this, a user talk namespace template message would be handy; I was wondering if anything like this already existed. If it didn't, I was planning to create it. -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 12:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I also see this often in box office numbers, sports statistics and other changing data with a fixed source. An addition to [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace]] sounds fine. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Okay, great. Just wanted to make sure that they didn't exist before I created them. -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 03:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{done}} Now at {{tl|uw-accessdate1}} and {{tl|uw-accessdate2}}. -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 04:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

== Documentation on the int: construct ==

I was tipped to use this: <code><nowiki>{{button|{{int:publishchanges}}}}</nowiki></code>, to show {{button|{{int:publishchanges}}}} all right. Could someone give a link to <code>int:</code> documentation (help, WP, mw, ...). Likely it will also lead to the available options (like this 'publishchanges'). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|DePiep}} See [[mw:Help:Magic_words#Localization]]. It basically give the translated version of a MediaWiki: translation key. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:(edit conflict) See [[mw:Help:Magic words#Localization]]. <code><nowiki>{{int:publishchanges}}</nowiki></code> displays [[MediaWiki:publishchanges]] in the reader's interface language, e.g. [[MediaWiki:publishchanges/de]] if you select "de - Deutsch" at [[Special:Preferences]]. Any pagename in the MediaWiki namespace can be used. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::Oh and [[Special:AllMessages]] lists all predefined translation keys (used by the software) and opening a page [{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Village pump|uselang=qqx}} with language code qqx] shows you the names of the keys being used on that page. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:16, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks {{U|TheDJ}}, {{U|PrimeHunter}}. Helpful. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:21, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Also, it's been in [[Help:Magic words#Other]] for four years ({{diff|Help:Magic words|prev|598852244|as of tomorrow}}). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Redrose64, what are you trying to say? You think I did not search it? Or try [[WP:int:]]? To me, magic ''words'' look like <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>, and anything like <nowiki>{{#if:</nowiki> is a [[:mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions|''parser function'']] (quote from there, lede: "* '''Parser functions''': these take parameters and are either of the form '''<nowiki>{{foo:...}}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{#foo:...}}</nowiki>''', e.g. <nowiki>{{#invoke:}}</nowiki>. See also Help:Extension:ParserFunctions"). So far for mw consistency and documentation clarity. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 15:25, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::A search on {{search link|help:int}} would have found information. I have added a hatnote to [[WP:INT]]. There are three types of magic words at [[:mw:Help:Magic words#Localization]]. The term is most commonly used about behavior switches of form <code><nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki></code>, but built in parser functions of form <code><nowiki>{{int:}}</nowiki></code> with no <code>#</code> are also sometimes called magic words. Extensions like [[:mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions]] can add more parser functions with <code>#</code> like <code><nowiki>{{#if:}}</nowiki></code>. Such added parser functions are not called magic words.  [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:38, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::This all may be OK, but: I did not find it. "You searched the wrong word spelling [stupid]" is not a reply I expect (yes, this is tough re good editors, but can one disagree?). Already above I pointed out (with links): mw help etc. is inconsistent. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I didn't in any way imply you are stupid. I merely showed that searching the [[Wikipedia:Help namespace|help namespace]] may be useful. I thought it was a helpful tip and didn't expect it to offend you. I don't know which inconsistency you refer to. Your only link was to [[:mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions]]. It's a help page for a specific extension. <nowiki>{{int:}}</nowiki> is not part of the extension so it's not listed there, but the opening sentence links [[:mw:Help:Magic words#Parser functions]] where it's listed. If there is a page incorrectly claiming that magic words can only look like <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> and not <nowiki>{{int:}}</nowiki> then please identify it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:I encountered ''int'' a while ago at Commons and for anyone noticing it there, they have an interesting trick. By convention (at Commons), <code><nowiki>[[MediaWiki:Lang/XX]]</nowiki></code>, where <code>XX</code> is a language code, contains <code>XX</code>. That means <code><nowiki>{{int|lang}}</nowiki></code> is replaced with XX, where XX is the language code for the current user. For example, if your user language preference is French (or if <code>?uselang=fr</code> is used in the URL), <code><nowiki>{{int|lang}}</nowiki></code> would be '''fr'''. That happens because [[c:MediaWiki:Lang/fr]] contains fr so ''lang'' is translated to ''fr'' for French. [[phab:T4085]] is relevant. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 22:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::BTW, this <code>int</code> is from "interface", not "i18n" nor "integer". -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::"int" can be short for "interface", but it could also be short for "internationalise". The <code><nowiki>{{int:...}}</nowiki></code> function at Commons is exactly the same as it is here, at meta, wiktionary and [[wmf:Our projects|all the others]]. At none of them does it mean integer; and I don't know where that i18n comes from. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: ''internationalization'' (i, 18 characters, n) - [[Internationalization and localization#Naming]] - but I don't really follow DePiep either... I see int: used a lot at Commons, as Johnuniq describes, and in multilingual file description templates, like: <nowiki>== {{int:filedesc}} ==</nowiki> --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 11:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

== Broken template ==

[[Template:USS]] seems to have suddenly broke. For example, see {{USS|Enterprise|CVN-65}} Is there a template editor or knowledgeable admin than can take a look? This is affecting every ship article right now. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 19:08, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
: I undid the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:USS&diff=prev&oldid=829771603 last edit] to the template, which seems to have fixed the problem for now. Honestly, I have no idea what that edit was trying to accomplish so I'm not sure if there would be a better way to do it. {{ping|DePiep|prefix=Paging&nbsp;|p=,}} who made the edit. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 19:19, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for getting to that to that so quickly. [[List of current ships of the United States Navy]] was a ghastly {{color|red|red mess}}! Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 19:23, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
::::My mistake. Did the edit again, without it. - [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 19:24, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

== Abusefilter conditions ==
{{moved to|Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard#Abusefilter_conditions}}
: OK. Thanks. --[[User:Horus|Horus]] ([[User talk:Horus|talk]]) 15:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

== How to test that a date/time string is in "yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss" format? ==

Need an explanation, or perhaps a pointer elsewhere.  How can I check that a supplied date/time string is in yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss format? Presumably with a suitable regex, but I can't find any parser functions for that. Do I have to dip into Lua? Is there a module for that? (I know regex, but having trying to avoid having to learn Lua.) ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 00:46, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|J. Johnson}} What is your purpose? Does [[:mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##time|the time parserfunction]] help the overall purpose, or no? If it does not, [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Operating system library|there are similar functions in Lua]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 01:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

:If you decide to go with Lua, I wrote a simple function dateFormat() that returns the format (dmy, mdy, iso, ymd) of a given date. In [[Module:Webarchive]] - it would need expansion to parse hh:mm:ss   -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User_talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #009933;">'''C'''</span>]] 01:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:: Does <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{#time:Y-m-d H:i:s|TIME}}|TIME|yes|no}}</nowiki></code> work.  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 01:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
:As others have said, please explain the purpose, preferably with an example of what would go in an article and what the wanted result would be. [[Module:Date]] can parse dates, see the examples in the documentation at {{tl|extract}}. That template can tell you what format was used, but it only returns dmy, mdy or ymd.
:*<code><nowiki>{{extract|2001-2-1 14:30:25|show=format}}</nowiki></code> → {{extract|2001-2-1 14:30:25|show=format}}
:[[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

If you use anything other than a plain regular expression, there is a danger the function will have limitations you didn't think about, like failing for dates before AD 100, regarding 29 February 1900 as invalid, etc. A full statement of the requirements is called for. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 02:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you all, those look like good ideas. The key element is that I want to check the ''format'', not validate or return a date/time. Which I think I can work out now. ~ [[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson (JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 21:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

== Lopadotemachoselachogaleokra etc... ==

There is a rendering problem with this [[Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon|article]], basically the title carries on way off the screen breaking the format and creating a bottom scrollbar where there would not be one normally, but the rest of the page stops short at it's normal breakpoint, leaving the title projecting on it's own. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 01:15, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
~
:{{re|Prince of Thieves}} it is wrapping at the display end for me, with both Firefox and Chrome, logged in and logged out.  What browser and conditions are you viewing it under? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::Looks fine to me. Firefox 58 on Mac OS. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:::The reported version is [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon&oldid=828834019] which doesn't wrap the title for me in Firefox. I fixed the DISPLAYTITLE with word breaks to match the article name so the name can wrap at top of the article. It cannot wrap in other places like categories and search results. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::::What PrimeHunter did fixed it, it wraps fine now. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 01:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

== Searching user contributions ==

We used to be able to go to an account and look at all contribs in a certain year. Now we have to fiddle with a calendar and add start and end year, month and day. Does anyone know why this was changed, and is it possible to get the old interface back? [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 04:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[meta:2015 Community Wishlist Survey/Moderation and admin tools#Improve_date_range_searches_on_Special:Contributions|2015 Community Wishlist Survey]], coming in 15th place overall. No, you cannot revert back to the old interface, but I agree the calendars don't really help your use case. Perhaps it's easier to type in the dates (YYYY-MM-DD format)? You shouldn't have to put in an end date <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 05:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::There's always tradeoffs :) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 07:59, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I guess it would help if you could just type "2008" in that field and it would automatically interpret that as 2008-01-01... It seems more strict on that fields validation now, than it has to be really. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:01, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|TheDJ}} yes, that would help a lot. It does require an end date, by the way, but I've just discovered that it doesn't require a start date. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:The old query string parameters still work, try these out:
:*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin?year=2017
:*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SlimVirgin?year=2017&month=3
:I guess somebody could write some JavaScript that adds the appropriate {{tag|input|s}} or {{tag|select}} elements to the existing form. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Redrose64}} thanks, that's good to know. Pinging {{u|Kaldari}} too. Can the interface be changed to allow us to enter the year only, so that we have access to that year and everything before and after it as needed? That is, the way it worked before. The new interface is fiddly. It would be nice if we could easily bypass it. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

== Parse [[Template:Location map]] entries ==

{{Location map+|England|width=300|caption=Example.|float=right |places=
  {{Location map~ |England |label=[[Battle of Blore Heath|Blore Heath]] |label_size=86 |position=top |lat=52.913611 |long=-2.424722 |mark=Battle_icon_(crossed_swords).svg |marksize=16 }}
  {{Location map~ |England |label=[[Battle of Tewkesbury|Tewkesbury]] |label_size=86 |position=top |lat=51.986389 |long=-2.161389 |mark=Battle_icon_(crossed_swords).svg |marksize=16 }}
}}

Dear Wikipedians,

I'm looking for a solution to parse the <nowiki>{{Location map~}}</nowiki> templates. So from

<pre>
{{Location map+|England|width=300|caption=Example.|float=right |places=
  {{Location map~ |England |label=[[Battle of Blore Heath|Blore Heath]] |label_size=86 |position=top |lat=52.913611 |long=-2.424722 |mark=Battle_icon_(crossed_swords).svg |marksize=16 }}
  {{Location map~ |England |label=[[Battle of Tewkesbury|Tewkesbury]] |label_size=86 |position=top |lat=51.986389 |long=-2.161389 |mark=Battle_icon_(crossed_swords).svg |marksize=16 }}
}}
</pre>

I would like to get out all label=, lat= and long= tags. Do you know any linux commandline tool, which could do this? Sorry if that's not obvious to me.--[[User:Lazy Eight|Lazy Eight]] ([[User talk:Lazy Eight|talk]]) 07:22, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:I was able to do this partially with:
 grep lat|sed '/lat/s/.*| *lat *= *\([^}|]*\).*$/lat=\1/g' |grep lat=
 grep long|sed '/lat/s/.*| *long *= *\([^}|]*\).*$/long=\1/g' |grep long=

But label broke due to the pipes in the link [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 10:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

::I think it was just solved [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49200279/parse-wikipedia-location-map-templates/49207130#49207130 on Stackoverflow]. {{ping|Graeme Bartlett}} How should your code be run?--[[User:Intl Railways|Intl Railways]] ([[User talk:Intl Railways|talk]]) 11:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:::This is part of a pipe. You can add <filename to the grep. or use something like wget -O- "URL" to launch it into the pipe. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 12:14, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
:This is why we should move all this into wikidata :) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 16:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/11|Tech News: 2018-11]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/11|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* 3D models can now be uploaded to Commons. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2018-February/007972.html]
* [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Page Previews|Page Previews]] has been updated to use [[w:en:HTML|HTML]] for previews. This has fixed many issues. An [[w:en:A/B testing|A/B test]] was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-March/089609.html]
* Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an [[w:en:Wikipedia:Edit filter|edit filter]]. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be [{{fullurl:Special:RecentChanges|tagfilter=abusefilter-condition-limit}} tagged] for review. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71492]
* Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab.  [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57370]

'''Problems'''
* The [[w:en:Wikipedia:Edit filter|abuse filter]] did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189299]

'''Changes later this week'''
* You can [[m:Community Tech/Ping users from the edit summary|notify users in edit summaries]]. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T32750]
* It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in [[Special:AbuseFilter|Special:AbuseFilter]]. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T32024][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170014]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the [[mw:RemexHtml|Remex parsing library]]. This is [[mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy|to replace Tidy]]. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188869][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188010][https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ#What_will_editors_need_to_do.3F]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.25|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&year=2018&month=03&day=13 13 March at 19:30 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Editing team/Weekly triage meetings|how to join]].
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== updated since my last visit ??? ==

I see ''updated since my last visit'' in a lot of edit summeries.  What does that mean?  Is there some piece of automated software that's inserting that?  It's a pretty useless edit summary, since it doesn't give somebody scanning the history any clue what changed, or why.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:It isn't an edit summary, it's an automated message ''after'' the edit summary that tells you that this edit was done after the last time you checked the page. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 15:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 16:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
:::You can hide it with this in {{yourcss}}:
 .updatedmarker {display: none;}
::: [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

== Enlarging text ==

Sorrowfully, I can't seem to find instructions for enlarging text in the edit window. I'll appreciate any help that comes in that regard. Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 05:55, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:On my browser I can do ctrl-mouse wheel rotation to enlarge or shrink all text. ctrl-shift-+ also enlarges. There would be a style sheet change that should change it too. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 06:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::OK style sheet change in [[User:John Cline/common.css]]: .mw-editfont-monospace {font-size: 200% !important;}
::will double the size. Change 200 to get a size you like. (I am finding its a bit too big for me!) [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 06:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::(I also note you are trying to include the deleted page: [[MediaWiki:Gadget-textareasansserif.css]] in your vector.css.) (this originally said <code>textarea {   font-family: sans-serif; }</code> [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 06:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much!--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 08:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

== Labels and data are misaligned in Infobox film ==

Just dropping by to let y'all know that there's [[Template talk:Infobox film#Misaligned labels and data|an issue relating to line-height]] that might be of interest to anyone watching this page. – [[User:Srdjan m|Srdjan m]] ([[User talk:Srdjan m|talk]]) 15:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

== Thanks not working ==
{{tracked|T187757|resolved}}

Hi, Not sure if it's just me but my thanks doesn't seem to be working?<br>
I go to thank someone (it then says thanked as it should) but then when I thank someone else on the same page it doesn't do anything and then when I reload the page the edit I thanked no longer says "thanked" (I just have the option to rethank basically),<br>
Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 00:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:Davey, see if the thanks you tried to send are in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=thanks&user=Davey2010&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 your log]. I don't know why it doesn't seem to work twice for you on the same page, but I do know that "thanked" reverting to "thank" when you come back to a page is an annoying issue that has irritated me for a while, but I've just kind of put up with it. If you want me to check if I get the same issue, reply to this, and I'll see if I can thank you for both edits from the page history. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 01:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::I thanked Davey2010 for his edit here, and it now says I thank Begoon. I'm going to file a bug <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 01:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::The system tells me you thanked me twice, MA, according to my "notices"... --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 01:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::Yep, I tried a second time and it thanked you for your other edit. It's thanking whatever the most recent non-thanked revision is. I created a bug at [[phab:T187757]] <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 01:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::Well, just to maybe add to the confusion, I thanked you both, from the page history, and each time I got the expected message, and "thank" said "thanked" for both edits on the page history after the second one. My log has 2 entries, one for MA, one for Davey... --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 01:35, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::Maybe you thanked before intermediate edits were made? Because that would mean Davey and I's edits are the most recent ones that aren't yours, if that makes sense. Either that or it is magically working for you but not others. {{yo|Begoon|Davey2010}} What browser/OS/skin are you using? <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 01:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Vector, FF 58.0.2, Win 7. And yes, you could be right, looking at the times of the edits/thanks they could well have been the last 2 edits that weren't mine (Nagual edited in the same minute, I don't have seconds to compare.) --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 01:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::Hi Begoon, I've never had an issue before but got your thanks (thanks! :) ),
::::::{{u|MusikAnimal}} - My thank log now shows as
:::::::"01:01, 20 February 2018 Davey2010 (talk | contribs) thanked My name is not dave (talk | contribs)<br>
:::::::00:59, 20 February 2018 Davey2010 (talk | contribs) thanked Tacyarg (talk | contribs)<br>
:::::::00:10, 20 February 2018 Davey2010 (talk | contribs) thanked Casliber (talk | contribs)<br>
:::::::00:09, 20 February 2018 Davey2010 (talk | contribs) thanked Dodger67 (talk | contribs)<br>
:::::::00:09, 20 February 2018 Davey2010 (talk | contribs) thanked Callanecc (talk | contribs)"<br>
:::::All of which I've never thanked (I tried thanking Ritchie333, SoWhy and Lourdes on Lourdes's RFA),
::::I'm currently using Vector skin, Chrome, OS is Windows 7, Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 01:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::I get the same error and added an example with screenshots to [[phab:T187757]]. This is serious. I suggest we hide thanks links until it's fixed. We can do it by placing the below in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 .mw-thanks-thank-link {display: none;}
:{{re|PrimeHunter}} I was about to suggest the same. I'm going to up the task to Unbreak Now, but there's a chance it won't get fixed until tomorrow. So yeah, let's hide it. I don't think we can hide it on mobile too, can we? <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 02:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::I don't know a way we can hide it in mobile but I suspect the vast majority of thanks are from desktop. Pages with thanks links are harder to find in mobile and most editors are in desktop. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::I agree. I've gone ahead and hidden it with [[Special:Diff/826612112]] <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 02:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::Similarly for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Minerva.css&diff=prev&oldid=826668152 mobile]. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::Despite {{u|MusikAnimal}}'s edit of 02:30 today, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/thanks&offset=20180220023000&dir=prev&limit=100 thanks are still happening]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]], those edits are done through mobile.  [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 13:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Even [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/thanks&offset=20180220112000&dir=prev those thanks] that were made after {{u|TheDJ}} amended [[MediaWiki:Minerva.css]] at 11:20? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::::::{{replyto| Redrose64}} yeah, but we still have caching, the mobile apps, maybe a userscript and anything else that uses the api (possibly including troll bots). :) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 13:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Judging by the [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/412916/2/modules/ext.thanks.revthank.js patch], I'm guessing the mobile version is unaffected. We might as well leave it hidden until the ticket is resolved, though. Thanks for figuring that out. Now I know where the mobile CSS is :) Which go figure is the SkinName.css <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 16:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

==="thanked" link reverting to "thank"===
I've put this in a subsection so as not to pollute the discussion of the above serious error, but I'd still be interested in an eventual answer to this, which was touched on above. While the thanks "links" on this page history for the thanks I just made today, above, still show as an unlinked "thanked" no matter how many times I refresh or purge, if I revisit the page histories for the thanks I sent yesterday the link has reverted to a blue-linked "thank", with the opportunity to do it again. Is this how it's supposed to work (ie the links revert after a period of time)? --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 02:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:I think you probably had the same issue. When you thank in the interface, it looks like it goes through, but if you refresh, it ends up having thanked the most recent revision. The ones you did today were probably the most recent revisions, hence why they worked. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 02:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::No, I think it's separate. The edits which have reverted to "thank" are correctly shown as thanked in the log. Also, at least [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maharana_Pratap&diff=826251184&oldid=826251111 one of them] was definitely the last revision when I thanked it (and still is, as I type). Also, also, this has done this, like this, for some time (weeks, maybe months), I've just never asked or "complained" till Davey mentioned something similar. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 02:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::For as long as I can remember, any time I would log out and log back in, it would reset any edits I had thanked and allow me to thank them again. They remained in the log properly. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 02:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::Yeah, actually I do recall seeing that as well -- where the Thanks ''did'' go through but still reverted back to a Thanks link. For me it would revert back after a few days, not immediately, if I remember correctly. Anyway I agree this is probably an unrelated issue. I don't see a bug for it in Phabricator, so let's revisit it after the above bug is fixed.<p>Unrelated, I love that {{u|Nihlus}} just Thanked me for [[Special:Diff/826612112|removing Thanks]] =p <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 02:51, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::I was testing out the Mobile to see if there were any issues. :P [[User:Nihlus|<span style="padding:2px 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#000;letter-spacing:-0.5px">'''Nihlus'''</span>]] 02:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
{{od}} I'm guessing this issue arose today; all my thanks in the log from yesterday and earlier appear to be correct. Guess I'm glad I didn't try to thank anyone today. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 02:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|MusikAnimal}} There is a phab ticket at [[phab:T53303|Notifications: Getting multiple "Thank"s from one user for the same edit is possible (double/duplicate)]], this may cover it. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::That's it! Thanks :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 16:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Thanks not appearing ===

I'm presenting problems with the thanks feature too. In the article's history the thank option disappeared from the edits, and reads as ''(undo | )''. Only those edits I have thanked before appear as ''(undo | thanked)''. I noticed that in the Spanish Wikipedia my option is shown normally. --[[User:Jamez42|Jamez42]] ([[User talk:Jamez42|talk]]) 03:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{yo|Jamez42}} That's because [[User:MusikAnimal|MusikAnimal]] removed it for now; see above thread. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 03:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:I added a watchliist notice for this outage, pointing to this thread. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for the watchlist notice! I thought it was just me for a moment. [[User:Alex Shih|Alex Shih]] ([[User talk:Alex Shih|talk]]) 05:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{rto|Xaosflux}} I just thanked you on [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/826624253 your watchlist notice edit] and I notice the action is logged both in my thanks log and your received thanks log. Did you receive notification for this or is it just not going despite the logs showing so?–[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 06:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::The problem appears to be that the thanks function is thanking the last unthanked edit in the page, regardless of which edit is chosen, so in many cases it is thanking the wrong edit/user. If the edit you thanked happened to be the last unthanked revision you were possibly "lucky" and it will possibly have worked "ok", by chance. The logs seem to be correct, but the feedback you receive at the time of thanking may not be. Don't rely on it at all until it's fixed would be my advice, though. I'm guessing you must have done it from mobile though, and I don't think anyone has confirmed exactly what that is doing, or if there is any difference. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 06:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::...and I received your thanks for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=826641438 this edit], which, from my log, does appear to have been the most recent revision at the time you thanked me... --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 07:08, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I am trying to figure it out because from the above, it seems to me like people are also not seeing the button at all. But I understand [[Special:Diff/826612112|this edit]] now hid it, so I am now not seeing the button on desktop version, but still it appears and works in mobile. –[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 09:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:Yes I got it, no we don't have it disabled on mobile. See the phab ticket for some more details. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 12:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::It should be disabled on mobile view now as well.  (Not necessarily the mobile APP). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 14:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::I just discovered it had disappeared from sight on my PC so came here to find that others have the same problem. I can no longer thank people. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 13:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, I too discovered that I can see only the parenthesis'''()''', but the '''''Thanks''''' word is absent.[[User:Souravdas1998|<b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">SouravDas''1998''</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Souravdas1998|<span style="font-family:arial;color:green"><i>''t@lk'' to me?</i></span>]]</sup>  19:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Thanks is fixed ===
{{tracked|T187757|resolved}}
*<big>'''Thanks'''</big> to everyone who helped on this. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
**Danke [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 22:17, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
***+1 Thanks to everyone who fixed this here and over at Phab. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 18:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

=== Thanks isn't fixed ===
*At least not for me. [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 21:28, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Ericoides}} How does it not work? [[User:A lad insane|<span style="color:#2E2EFF">-A la</span><span style="color:#000000">d </span><span style="color:#CD0000">insane</span>]] [[User talk:A lad insane|<small style="color:#008600">(Channel 2)</small>]] 20:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
*::Thanks, David. It works now! [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 06:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Gender research on deleted articles  ==

Hi all

I've been thinking a lot about the gender gap on Wikipedia recently and would like to understand if there is a relationship between the gender of a biography articleand article deletions. Is there a way to know the gender of the subject of deleted biography articles? 

The question I'd most like to understand is ''are biographies about women more or less likely to get deleted? and if there is a large difference, why does this happen.''

Also related questions: 
* Are articles about women more or less likely to be nominated for deletion than articles about men and in general? 
* Are articles about women that are nominated for deletion more or less likely to be deleted than articles about men and in general?

Is the data to do this research available? And if so how ould it be collected?

Thanks very much 

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 14:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
({{ping|Victuallers}} who may be interested.) [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 08:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

:{{replyto|John Cummings}} [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=830222549&oldid=830221736 your edit] that tried to ping [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] didn't work because you didn't add a signature while making it. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 07:00, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks {{ping|Graham87}}, fixed. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 08:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi John (thx Graham) I'm not sure this is a technical question yet, as to my mind the major problem is to just phrase the experimental query that may lead to a convincing answer. There may be more notable male footballers than there are women who have played professionally. There are I guess more notable Crimean female nurses than there were Victorian male nurses. Some will seize on the results to feed the idea that the reason why there are so few women biogs is because of wiki admin discrimination. I'm not saying that the latter might not exist (can you prove it) but with (maybe) 100,000 plus missing notable women biographies already listed then it would just be misleading to highlight an article that was deleted as being the "poster girl" cause for systemic bias. (There are instances where female editors have been bullied off Wikipedia, but these are anecdotes.) So if I had to suggest an experiment then I would apply ORES scores to a month of newly written articles. I would see what percentage were deleted as just "rubbish" within a day. I would take a sample of those that were PRODed and those that were AFD'd and then those that were deleted. And then I would look at whether any of those groups contained a higher percent of females (adjusted for ORES score) than the original population. Or something like that. I suspect you may just discover systemic bias (which feeds a lot of twitter anger). Good luck!! Roger aka [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 09:11, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Oooo! I just thought of a counter experiment. Let us presume that the AFD  system is absolutely biased and corrupt and all the female articles that were deleted were deleted unfairly. So if we put ALL of those back into our new 'Wikipedia .... then what effect would that have on the percentage of women on the new 'Wikipedia? How about if we also halved, quartered or decimated (divide by ten) all the male biogs that were successful .... then would that make a substantial difference? I think that answer might be quite revealing. [[User:Victuallers|Victuallers]] ([[User talk:Victuallers|talk]]) 09:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Just FYI, in many cases "gender" of the article subjects is recorded at their WikiData entry, so it should be able to be looked up even if the page is removed. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Gender is not consistently recorded for deleted articles, a number of which are deleted before wikidata entries are completed or the articles are categorized, and categorization does not always include gender, in any event. I do find that at least for the last several years that inclusion on deletion sorting lists is fairly common for individuals. Men are usually included at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People]], whereas women are usually included at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women]] and sometimes [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People]]. I'd be tempted to say that the implications of this linguistic decision are an exercise left to the reader but that would truly be unfair as, in my experience, women are included on the specialized list by the hardworking volunteers who do sorting so as to facilitate review by editors particularly interested in women's biographies. This does not include articles deleted via [[WP:PROD]] or [[WP:SPEEDY]] but might be a place to start gathering data. Caveats about taking into account all the potential inappropriate comparisons assumed. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.116.12|24.151.116.12]] ([[User talk:24.151.116.12|talk]]) 16:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Double move ==

Does anybody have any idea why I seem to have [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Redrose64?offset=20180313204600&limit=4 moved the same pair of pages twice] within the same minute? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:I don't have an idea but this query along with your above query suggests that something might be up with your account. --[[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 22:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::I found [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Redrose64?offset=20180313202700&limit=4 another pair] of double log entries from twenty minutes earlier. What do you think might be up with my account? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 00:42, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:::When you move some page the related talk page also gets moved, hence the "talk" part in them. [[User:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186">'''Sjoerd de Bruin'''</font>]] [[User talk:Sjoerddebruin|<font color="#325186"><small>(talk)</small></font>]]  09:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Sjoerddebruin}} I ''know'' that; my question is not about why the talk pages are logged, but about why there are two log entries for each category page ''and'' for each category talk page. That is to say, the log at 20:45, 13 March 2018 shows two instances of "moved page Category talk:NA-Class Finance articles to Category talk:NA-Class Finance & Investment articles" together with two of "moved page Category:NA-Class Finance articles to Category:NA-Class Finance & Investment articles" when I should expect only one of each. Similarly, the log at 20:26, 13 March 2018 shows two instances of "moved page Category talk:Start-Class Finance articles to Category talk:Start-Class Finance & Investment articles" together with two of "moved page Category:Start-Class Finance articles to Category:Start-Class Finance & Investment articles" when I should expect only one of each. Other page moves that I carried out [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Redrose64?offset=20180313204500&limit=18 in that timeframe] log only one entry for each category page, and one for each category talk page. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
: My best guess at the moment is that if you accidentally click "Move page" twice, the two submissions might both get past the "valid move?" checks before either gets to actually performing the move so both wind up doing the move. The second mostly does no-op updates like setting the page's title to the already-set new title, but it does create an extra log entry and null revision in the moved page's history. Spot checking a few date ranges, I see this has happened for other users' moves too and goes back at least a few years (e.g. [[Nishonoseki stable (1935)]] was supposedly moved twice at 2015-01-01 18:54). [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 12:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::Can double-clicks really do that? Since a number of people are unclear as to when a single click is sufficient and may use double-click "just in case", it sounds like something we should guard against, like not firing another event when there's already an identical one pending. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 17:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Visual editor - discard "unsaved changes" ==

Is there any way to discard the "unsaved changes" of the visual editor. It's all very well that it saves them, but here am I, using VE for the automatic citation filler, then copyediting in source to use LDRs. Then, VE wants to revert those changes because they weren't made under VE. This is a problem, and could catch out somebody who discarded changes for a reason. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 19:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:[[User:Bellezzasolo|You]] might want to try VisualEditor's wikitext mode, which you can enable in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures]].  (I recommend turning the "syntax highlighting" beta feature off, as the two sometimes don't play well together.)  Then you'll get the visual editor's toolbar, with the [[mw:citoid]] button, but you'll be working in wikitext the whole time and not need to switch at all (except perhaps for table editing, because everyone agrees that deleting columns from tables is much easier in the visual mode  ;-).  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Refill Mr ==

Hi I wanted [[User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill|refill]] on Marathi Wikipedia but I don't find the way out for it. I requested for it's translation on it's Transifex page yet no response. Can anyone create a version of it for Marathi Wikipedia? I and the community is ready to help in translation and templates needed. --[[User:Tiven2240|'''<span style="background color: black; color: orange">✝iѵ</span><span style="color: blue">ɛɳ</span>'''<span style="color: green">२२४०</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tiven2240|<span style="color: maroon">†ลℓк †๏ мэ</span>]]</sup> 05:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

:Have [[User:Tiven2240|you]] tried doing this in the visual editor?  The Marathi Wikipedia already has the citoid service installed, and the visual editor offers a "convert" button for bare URLs.  Open the page (in the visual editor; you may need to enable that in your preferences), select the blue ref tag, and then click the "convert" button that will pop up.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 18:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

::{{Ping|User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|MusikAnimal}} While citoid is concerned we have just installed it few days ago and it's not working fine. I've seen the convert button there and it fills one reference at a time (currently not working). Marathi Wikipedia has a lot of bare urls so I needed this tool to convert them on a large scale. Any developer that can make the same type of tool? --[[User:Tiven2240|'''<span style="background color: black; color: orange">✝iѵ</span><span style="color: blue">ɛɳ</span>'''<span style="color: green">२२४०</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tiven2240|<span style="color: maroon">†ลℓк †๏ мэ</span>]]</sup> 00:58, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Tiven2240}} Hi, the reason it's not working is because the citation templates added to the message are missing the required TemplateData. I have temporarily disabled the message until this can be fixed. So for instance, the template संकेतस्थळ स्रोत, जर्नल स्रोत, and स्रोत पुस्तक didn't have template data. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid/Enabling_Citoid_on_your_wiki#Step_2.a:_Create_a_'citoid'_maps_value_for_each_Cite_template. Once this template data is added, we can re-enable the message. [[User:Mvolz (WMF)|Mvolz (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Mvolz (WMF)|talk]]) 08:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I certainly don't have time to work on it, sorry :( [[User:Dispenser]] has a similar tool, maybe he could assist with adding support for mrwiki? Otherwise, as I said ok my talk page, I would ask for help at [[User talk:Zhaofeng Li/reFill]]. According to the [[User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill#Frequently asked questions|FAQ]] this is the means to request that new wikis be added. Best <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 06:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:Mvolz (WMF)]], can you take a look at the citoid situation at [[:w:mr:]]?  [https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%A3%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B8 This article] looks like it has a couple of bare URLs, and citoid is no longer visible there (doubtless due to the 'hide if broken' feature that went out today).  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

{{Ping|Mvolz (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} I have prepared the template data and seen that the templates are working fine. Hope y'all make the further necessary changes for citoid. --[[User:Tiven2240|'''<span style="background color: black; color: orange">✝iѵ</span><span style="color: blue">ɛɳ</span>'''<span style="color: green">२२४०</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tiven2240|<span style="color: maroon">†ลℓк †๏ мэ</span>]]</sup> 09:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

:I did a very quick test, and it looks like it's working now.  Do [[User:Tiven2240|you]] see any other problems with it?  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:42, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::Citoid is working all fine. --[[User:Tiven2240|'''<span style="background color: black; color: orange">✝iѵ</span><span style="color: blue">ɛɳ</span>'''<span style="color: green">२२४०</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tiven2240|<span style="color: maroon">†ลℓк †๏ мэ</span>]]</sup> 23:13, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== /a/ in IPA ==

Hi. Im trying to add pronunciation help to an article, in the form of a phonemic transcription using IPA, like this: ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|k|ɒ|n|s|.|t|ə|n|ˌ|t|a|ɪ|n|}}). It all works, except the a -- whether I use the cheat-sheet or copy the character from another good source. Where am I going wrong, please? I'm using Safari 11.0.3. Thanks --[[User:Frans Fowler|Frans Fowler]] ([[User talk:Frans Fowler|talk]]) 02:29, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry, found it myself. Use aɪ as a 'single' character - ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|k|ɒ|n|s|.|t|ə|n|ˌ|t|aɪ|n|}}) --[[User:Frans Fowler|Frans Fowler]] ([[User talk:Frans Fowler|talk]]) 02:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Shortcuts (Ctrl+I, Ctrl+B etc.) don't work any more in source code editor ==
{{tracked|T189901}}
Hi, I recently discovered that these shortcuts don't work in source code editor. I remembered them to work before.
The weirder is, if you turned on syntax highlighting, upon pressing, say, ctrl+I, you can visually see the selected text became italic and then immediately changed back to normal.

I'm using [[Google Chrome]]. I have this problem on Chinese Wikipedia as well, tested logged in and logged out (to make sure it's not caused by non-default gadgets). --[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 15:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

:Hello, [[User:Fireattack|fireattack]], and thank you for this note.  Which of the [[mw:editor]]s are you using?   [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:: {{Reply|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}: I believe it's [[mw:Extension:WikiEditor]] one (2010). --[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 22:40, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks for this.  I haven't been able to reproduce this in Safari or Firefox on my Mac, but the flash for syntax highlighting happens in Chrome.  Are you running Windows (version?)?   
::Also, I wanted to say thanks for [[User:Fireattack|your]] thoroughness in testing (logged in and out, more than one wiki).  I really appreciate it.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::: {{Reply|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}: I'm on Win 10/7. I tested with Firefox, these shortcuts are overridden by Firefox's own features (both Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I will just toggle Firefox's bookmark sidebar), so I doubt it even gets registered by the web page (needless to say, no flashing since they straighly up don't do anything). -[[User:Fireattack|fireattack]] ([[User talk:Fireattack|talk]]) 19:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Help needed on French Wikipedia ==

I am needing the help of a French speaking Wikipedian. On French Wikipedia, user [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spécial:Contributions/Angela_Criss Angela Criss] is an obvious sockpuppet of {{user|Jack Gaines}}. As I do not speak French, could someone please inform any French Wikipedia admins as to the user's doings, and ask them to protect any articles pertaining to [[Alan Jackson]]? <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 23:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{user|Pintoch}}, one for you perhaps? Merci bien. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:50, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{Re|Redrose64}} sure! but it looks like [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipédia:Requête_aux_administrateurs&diff=146517175&oldid=146516956 it was done and dusted before I arrived]. − [[User:Pintoch|Pintoch]] ([[User talk:Pintoch|talk]]) 05:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

== Notification from edit summary ==

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Greetings,

The ability to [[m:Community_Tech/Ping_users_from_the_edit_summary|notify other users in edit summaries]] will be available later this week, on 15 March 2018. Other users can be notified if a [[m:Community_Tech/Ping_users_from_the_edit_summary#How_it_works|link to their user page is provided in an edit summary]]. Some user-made gadgets and scripts that automatically put user names in edit summaries may need to be changed to put a colon in the link, such as <nowiki>[[:User:Example]]</nowiki>. You can change how you receive these mention notifications in your [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo|preferences]]. This feature was [[m:2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey|highly requested in the 2017 Community Wishlist survey]], and [[m:Talk:Community_Tech/Ping_users_from_the_edit_summary|feedback is welcome]].

Thanks, happy editing to you. -[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 21:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
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:*The English Wikipedia should be good to go as far as modifications to scripts are concerned, what hasn't been updated yet will be by Thursday. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 21:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
::This is cool. Thanks for implementing {{u|Keegan (WMF)}} (and all those involved) --[[User:TheSandDoctor|TheSandDoctor]] ([[User talk:TheSandDoctor|talk]]) 15:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

== Editing edit summaries ==
[[File:First matryoshka museum doll open.jpg|thumb|Like these nested dolls, putting things in things gets complex. If you edit the edit summary and leave an edit summary for your edit summary, then that edit summary for the edit summary could need to be edited, in which case there would be an edit summary for the edit summary of the edit summary of the edit, which could in turn need to be edited. This can go on ''ad infinitum'' and be a distracting mind game, or a [[Inception|interesting film plot]]. -- [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 19:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC) ]]
I know there must have been plenty of people who have proposed this before, but I would like to know if the interface could be modified to allow editors to change their edit summaries after they have saved the edit, rather than having to make a new edit where they don't do anything (or as it is sometimes called, a "null edit") just to modify their last edit summary. On a project otherwise defined by an almost complete ability to modify content after it has been posted, it seems odd that no one can change their own edit summaries (but of course you shouldn't be able to change others', just your own). [[User:Everymorning|<span style="color: darkgreen">Every morning</span>]] [[User talk:Everymorning|<span style="color: blue">(there's a halo...)</span>]] 03:55, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:See e.g. the declined [[phab:T12105]] and [[phab:T15937]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:17, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
: There would have to be a history of changes to each summary, and the ability for people to patrol changes to summaries to watch for vandalism or personal attacks or the like, and so on. That sort of thing quickly gets rather complicated. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 13:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:As Anomie implied, building a miniwiki for edit summary content would not be particularly productive.  It's not too hard to make another empty edit, but it's super easy to preview your edit summary before hitting save/publish.  We can edit content, but not history; same goes for the edit summary. ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 14:59, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
::If I were to edit a prior edit summary, there should be somewhere for me to provide a description of the edit too, hmm that one might need to be adjusted to, it will be [[Turtles all the way down|summaries all the way down]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:06, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
:::This sounds like corrections would become [[Recursion|recursive]], and that would cause really weird situations when trying to quote a diff. There would also be the issue of how to view the past revisions of edit summaries. [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 19:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC) (added image [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 19:27, 17 March 2018 (UTC))

== JavaScriptWikiBrowser interface text: where is it? ==

There's a script called [[User:Joeytje50/JWB.js|JWB.js]] that is a partial port of [[WP:AWB|AWB]] to JavaScript. I've been looking over its source code, and I can't find the interface text. There are phrases included on the screen when the program runs, but a search of the source code does not reveal them. For example: "Enter list of pages:" is part of the interface, but it's nowhere in the source code. The same goes for the other text displayed in the program's various frames.  None of it seems to be in the source code, or in the [[User:Joeytje50/JWB.css|program's css page]].  It's got to be coming from somewhere.  But where?  &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  07:09, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{Re|The Transhumanist}} I think it loads them from [[User:Joeytje50/JWB.js/i18n.js]] -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 07:26, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:: There it is! Thank you.  &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  07:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

== A technical question regarding warning users before submitting potential copyright violations ==

First, this is not a proposal; '''do not !vote on it'''. 
This is a question for anyone who has a good idea how the Wikimedia software works regarding whether something would be technically possible, as well as the difficulty level required.

Would it be possible to put a system in place which does the following:
*Whenever a new article is created, prior to 'publishing' going through, the article is automatically run through the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/ copyvios detector]. 
*If the submission has a confidence of 50% or higher, a warning message pops up warning the user that they might be submitting a copyright violation (link to the copyvios report) and giving a bit of information on what is ok to copy and what isn't (i.e. you can't copy from your own website unless the content there is under a suitable licence). 
*The warning asks the submitting user if they want to proceed or not, and if they do, it publishes the article but also flags the article for New Page Patrol as a potential copyright violation needing review.

Some information if there are any technical or legal roadblocks to the implementation of such a system would be great. Thanks. — '''''<small>[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insertcleverphrasehere]] <sup>([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])</sup></small>''''' 09:14, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
: No, this would not be possible as things currently stand. You'd need to either A) port the copyvio tool to be a MediaWiki extension outright, or B) have the tool expose an API of sorts that a MediaWiki extension could call and then use the results from. Either way, you'd need a new extension. [[User:😂|<span style="color:#444;font-weight:bold">FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:😂|<sup style="color:#c22">[u+1F602]</sup>]]&nbsp;<em style="font-size:10px;">17:51, 14 March 2018 (UTC)</em>
:There is an extension request for images (that's [[:phab:T31793]]). A similar phab task could be filed.
:It sounds like a pretty good idea, generally, and it is definitely something which could be implemented. We do have ORES today ([[:mediawikiwiki:ORES#Article quality|ORES documentation]]), so deeper integration there (ORES supports edit filters I think--but definitely has an API which a bot could use) might be a good idea. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:07, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:From a tech standpoint, your use case is trivially subverted (a) create the page (b) edit it to include the "copyvio" stuff.  So instead you'd need to score each edit - which could be computationally expensive if you wanted it to be real time (the current tool says '''Running a full check can take up to a minute if other websites are slow or if the tool is under heavy use. Please be patient. If you get a timeout, wait a moment and refresh the page.'''.  Other tech challenges - putting such a tool in the way of production editing would mean that it would have to be well supported, 24/365 by paid staff.  The other, much more serious problem is that those automated tools are horribly prone to false positives.  For example I pulled up a Featured Article ([[Acrocanthosaurus]]) and ran that check on it - it got a 98% copyvio score.  So either its a huge FP, or we are doing a poor job maintaining FA's.... (or the editor published elsewhere, etc,etc etc) - they are also bad with public domain text. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
:: I would assume in this case the Detector is detecting pages out on the web which are copies of our [[Acrocanthosaurus]] article, as it has been a featured article for quite a while. Presumably, it would have less trouble with ''newly created'' articles. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 05:42, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: ''[interpolated comment]'' Actually, xaosflux, come to think of it, the results of your test could be seen as a complete success, since anyone creating a new article that's an exact copy of the Acrocanthosaurus one would indeed be submitting a copyvio. [grin] - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] ([[User talk:Dcljr|talk]]) 05:54, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::It is trivially easy to circumvent but that doesn't mean it couldn't be useful to stop copyvios, even if it only checked when a new page is created. Most people adding those copyvios are not of the malicious sort. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 05:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:I think this could make copyvios harder to detect as the users would start rewording the plagiarised text until the copyvio detector stops complaining (but the copyvio issue would remain simply by putting words in different order). I would personally favour making more adequate use of edit intros and interactive wizards which encourage users to copy/paste quotes from sources into a dedicated text area so that they do not have to switch tabs back and forth, and have an opportunity to rewrite them in their own words in the article. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Mysteriously-watched pages ==

Normally, I only watch pages that I have edited. Occasionally, something will show up on my watchlist and I have no recollection of why I might be interested in the page, but after checking the history of the page, its talk page, and their logs, an explanation surfaces. So, it's something of a puzzle as to why {{diff|File talk:Acrocinus longimanus MHNT femelle.jpg|prev|830159267|this edit}} has shown on my watchlist. I can't find evidence of me editing the page. Insects aren't my thing either - they creep me out. This is not the first page that is watched w/o explanation. Any ideas? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 19:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:You could just have accidentally clicked the watch tab while viewing the image. You reviewed [[Template talk:FPCresult#Adding noinclude]] 28 January 2013. The template was on [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Acrocinus longimanus MHNT femelle.jpg]], while [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Harlequin beetle]] was open and got the template two days later. Maybe you looked for uses of the template and also clicked the image. I have no recollection of random pages I came by five years ago. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

: You also might want to check your settings in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist|preferences]]. One of them is "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist", and another is "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist". This may not account for the beetle pic, but it might be the source of links you haven't seen in a long while.  &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  22:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::I've had both of those enabled since forever; but I have no edits or uploads scored against that page. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
:::It could be interesting to log watchlist changes somewhere. Added [[:phab:T190003]] which may or may not be a duplicate as I haven't checked. Please check its status in the coming days. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:28, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Line breaks don't appear in edit summaries without spaces in watchlists / contrib pages ==

[[Special:Diff/831032872|This]] diff page shows my long edit summary wrapping so as to not run way off the end of the page. However, [[Special:PermanentLink/831032872|this]] permalink page shows that same edit summary running way off the end of the page, and the same occurs when viewing this edit in my watchlist or contributions page. Is this a bug (and if so, has a [[phab:|Phabricator]] report already been filed)? Has this always been the case and I just didn't notice because I don't normally use long edit summaries without spaces? Regardless, it is an issue that needs fixing. [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 23:31, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:For me at the permalink the edit summary does not exceed screen width. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::[https://imgur.com/a1LtcZ5 This] is how it displays for me. [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 02:18, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Gryllida}} Does the edit summary just cut off? Or does it actually display as multiple lines? Do you have a very wide monitor perhaps? [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 02:18, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Confirm with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=831032872&useskin=monobook monobook], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=831032872&useskin=vector vector], not with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=831032872&useskin=timeless timeless] skin. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:30, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::The timeless skin technically just 'covers up' the right side. If I click my middle mouse in the center part of the page, it still lets me drag way off to the right. The very end of the edit summary is a lowercase v. With that being the case, every skin has the problem where the edit summary won't break into multiple lines despite not fitting on the page. [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 02:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::No, the timeless skin wraps. It does not cut off.
::::It has "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY" on the first line and "ZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEF" on the next line (and a few more lines to follow).  
::::Add "#mw-revision-info .comment { word-wrap: break-word; display: block; }" to your common.css ([[Special:MyPage/common.css]]) to fix it, I think that's what it does. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:13, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::That didn't do anything, unfortunately. My edit summaries still won't wrap properly. [[User:Master of Time|<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Master of Time</u></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Master of Time|(<span style="color:green; font-family:Times New Roman">talk</span>)]] 03:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::This is due to en.wp's use of mbox tables of the the mw-revision-info. Leave a comment at [[MediaWiki_talk:Common.css]] and when I or someone else has some time, we can probably fix it. (Or maybe it's time to finally rewrite our mboxes to get rid of those tables...) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:32, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Whatever it is, it is working for me with the CSS applied when I use the ?useskin=monobook or vector parameter. I apologize for misleading commentary about my suggested css code fixing the issue, perhaps someone who uses monobook as their main skin may be able to resolve the problem further. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:37, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Please volunteer to document [[:mw:Extension:Graph]], update it to use Vega 3? ==

Hi all! [[:mw:Extension:Graph]] allows to draw graphs and charts and variously sized and colored points on maps. Documentation appears to be lacking using Vega 2 library. Vega [https://vega.github.io/vega/docs/ version 3.0] documentation is not very introductory level. [[File:Frowning-smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] Do we have volunteers who could expand the extension documentation to include an explanation of how its features work, starting from hello world and gradually increasing complexity? And or volunteers to update the extension to Vega 3?

Specifically what interests me is the ability to create timelines spanning across several days with events with hours and minutes. I had tried this at [[:mw:User:Gryllida/sandbox]] (starting from [[:mw:Extension:Graph/Demo#Timeline_/_lifeline]]) but could not figure out how it should work. No error message has been produced. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:08, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:To clarify, what I expect to make or use is a template that takes a set of timestamps and strings as argument and outputs a timeline, for instance,
:"<nowiki>{{MyTemplate|</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|2018-03-01 12:04:I had lunch {{fixed}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>|2018-03-02 08:01:Someone had [[breakfast]] in a hall.}}</nowiki>
:Would output a timeline with these times set (and 20% at each side of the earliest and latest event for readability). The annotations need to be able to contain clickable links and images. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 03:22, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{u|Gryllida}} there's {{t|Simple_Horizontal_timeline}} and [[mw:Extension:EasyTimeline]] either of which would be simpler for this case, I assume [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 09:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Simple Horizontal timeline|from=2018-01-01|to=2018-01-03}}? -[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 11:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Hmm, simple horizontal timeline only supports individual years. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 13:19, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Please don't use EasyTimeline anymore. It has a lot of bugs and display issues that are virtually impossible to fix, not to mention that its timelines look terrible. (Having said that, I don't know what the current state of the art is for timelines and the like. Presumably it is Graph, if anyone can work out how to use it.) — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 11:06, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::If we can eliminate its usage on all current pages perhaps it is worth uninstalling it. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== File restore error ==
{{tracked|T189985}}
Hello. I tried to perform a [[WP:HISTSPLIT]] on [[Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2018_March_10#File:Taisekiji_Hoanden.JPG]]. Everything worked fine, except the last stage - restoring. I want to restore [[:File:Enwiki restore error 1.png|these revisions]], but depending on which revisions I select, I am either faced with [[:File:Enwiki restore error 2.png|this]] or [[:File:Enwiki restore error 3.png|this]] error. Any clue what's going on? I've done file splits many times on Commons. But I ''think'' this is the first time I've tried on enwiki. Cheers, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 02:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:This sounds like a MediaWiki bug. You'd be advised to file it in Phabricator: [[mw:How to report a bug]]. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 08:17, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:: [[:File:Enwiki restore error 2.png]] is now filed as [[phab:T189985]]. I don't know about the other screenshots. [[User:BJorsch (WMF)|BJorsch (WMF)]] ([[User talk:BJorsch (WMF)|talk]]) 14:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Thanks [[User:This, that and the other]] and [[User:BJorsch (WMF)]]. [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 04:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Rehman}} The error in [[:File:Enwiki restore error 2.png]] should be fixed now. The other error may or may not still remain; if so, please file a separate task in Phabricator about it. [[User:BJorsch (WMF)|BJorsch (WMF)]] ([[User talk:BJorsch (WMF)|talk]]) 22:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::: Thank you [[User:BJorsch (WMF)|BJorsch (WMF)]]. The errors no longer exist. Best regards, [[User:Rehman|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; font-weight:bold; color:darkblue">Reh</span>]][[User talk:Rehman|<span style="color:green">man</span>]] 03:30, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Template to test whether string is a decade? ==
{{resolved}} Is there any template which will test whether a string is a decade?  Or parser code to do the same job?

I want something which will return a true/non-null for a valid decade (e.g. "1830s", "560s") but return a false/null value for a non-decade (e.g. "1741", "1920x", "sdsjjdh").

Any suggestions? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 17:28, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

:Ah I found I can do it with [[Module:String]]:
: <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:String|match|{{{DateWhichMayBeaDecade|}}}|^%d%d%d0s$|ignore_errors=true}}</nowiki></code>
:--[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 17:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::That won't work for "560s". That'd be <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:String|match|{{{DateWhichMayBeaDecade|}}}|^%d?%d?%d?0s$|ignore_errors=true}}</nowiki></code> [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 17:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks, {{ping|Galobtter|p=}}.
:::I know it won't work before the 1000s, which suits this use. I should have noted that I am using it in [[Template:Infobox GAA club]], and since GAA clubs date from the 19th cent, I only needed to validate 4-digit decades.
:::Your search pttern will be useful for anyone  seeking to do this for decades which may precede the 2nd millennium. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 22:39, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::You might want to check for <code>[12]%d%d0s$</code> to catch transposition errors like "9180s". – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::: 9180s is a valid decade, in the [[10th millenium]].  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 01:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{yo|Jonesey95}} I'm not worried about that. Any 9180s-type errors will make the template try to populate several non-existent categories, so the error will be visible. Keep it simple. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 13:11, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Failed login attempt info ==
{{tracked|T174388}}

Would it be possible to receive details about failed login attempts beyond "this happened"...?

It'd be useful to know what password they tried to use.  For example, if you can tell they're just trying common passwords (e.g. {{tq|password}}, {{tq|123456}}, etc), then you shouldn't have much to worry about.  If they're using your older passwords, then you need to change your password immediately.

It'd also be useful for at least CUs (if not others) to know what IP address was used in the attempt.

[[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 14:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:That's a fairly atrocious idea. What happens if you typo your own password? You've just exposed yourself to anyone who can see what you tried. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 14:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::I would assume that the info would only be shared with people who can see that there was a failed login attempt anyway.  This should only be the user in question and the few folks who can see anyone's password anyway. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 14:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Passwords aren't stored anywhere so nobody can see them. Only a [[Password hashing|hash]] of the password is stored. Many people use the same password at multiple sites and somebody with access to their email should absolutely not be able to see the password even if they can use the email access to request a new password and hack the Wikimedia account. And good faith users who mistype their username at login but enter their right password also shouldn't have the password revealed to a user with the mistyped name who may be able to guess who mistyped it. As xaosflux said, this is never going to happen for all sorts of reasons. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{Re|Ian.thomson}} The "what password was used" is never going to happen for all sorts of reasons.  The CU stuff has already happened, and there are additional changes being considered now.  See [[phab:T174388]] and its linked tasks for more information. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 14:29, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Problem with thumbnail derived from xcf file ==

[[The_Immortal_Ten]] has a thumbnail in the top right of the page with obviously reversed colors. The original file at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Immortal10WP.xcf] looks fine, and there is a thumbnail on the image page that looks fine. I'm not sure if this is a Wikimedia bug, or if the thumbnail needs to be regenerated, but I'm not seeing an obvious way to fix this myself. [[User:Wingedsubmariner|Wingedsubmariner]] ([[User talk:Wingedsubmariner|talk]]) 16:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Wingedsubmariner}} the thumbnail on that page for [[:File:Immortal10WP.xcf]] looks fine to me, try clearing your cache and checking again? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Note, it does appear to render 'darker' (more contrast - but not "reversed") in IE compared to FF and Chrome. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Xaosflux}}Strange, it looks fine for me too now. Should have taken a screenshot. [[User:Wingedsubmariner|Wingedsubmariner]] ([[User talk:Wingedsubmariner|talk]]) 17:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Events calendar ==
[[File:Screenshot of Events calendar.png|thumb|screenshot]]

For Wikimédia France, 0x010C developed the tool [[m:Events calendar/about|Events calendar]]. The Events calendar is a common calendar, that can be used by anyone to share events having some connection with the Wikimedia movement. The central calendar, displayed on [[m:Events calendar]] contain all the events, while each project page can display his own, through a filter system.

The events calendar can be used on any other pages, with location or tag filters enabled. For example, it can be used to display all events of a given user-group, taking place in a city ([[m:Wikimédia France/Groupes de travail/Groupes locaux/IDF/Agenda|Paris]]) or linked with a given subject ([[m:Wikisource Community User Group/Events|Wikisource]]).

It is possible to export a set of events in the iCalendar file format.

The event calendar can be viewed and used directly by anybody, connected or not, but its functionalities are limited to the features described in the template's documentation. To unlock the ability to navigate between months, to dynamically change the view or filter the events, and the easily manage events (add new ones, edit or delete existing), you will have to copy-paste those two lines in your common.js:

:importScript( 'User:0x010C/Events-calendar-editor.js' );
:importScript( 'User:0x010C/Events-calendar-navigation.js' );

[[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 21:05, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:"each project page can display his own, through a filter system." how is this achieved? Via {{tl|Events calendar}}? What are the steps to import this template to another wiki? --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Gryllida}} the pages are meta-local at [[meta:User:0x010C/Events-calendar-editor.js]] and [[meta:User:0x010C/Events-calendar-navigation.js]] - you could review these and localize them if you want them on a local project. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Where they could become a [[WP:GADGET|gadget]] if there was community support. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]] and thanks for your advice [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] I just put the importScript lines from the message above into my global.js and they allow me to view the calendar but I do not think they fully resolve the problem, I would like to define my own set of events on a local wiki and I do not know where to store them in a way that they do not show on ''your'' calendar. I can understand this is all open source but I am busy this month as I have a lot of homework so I think it should be possible to obtain documentation of this from the contributors who already are familiar with this tool. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|0x010C}} may be able to answer you. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::You can create a specific calendar on meta. It is not intended to be used outside of meta. But if you want, you'll need to copy-paste the script in Lua, templates, javascript fils, json files, etc. [[User:Pyb|Pyb]] ([[User talk:Pyb|talk]]) 07:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Hi thanks. Would you most kindly please be interested in documenting the list of files that would need to be copied? I think it would be nice to have the calendar feature at other sister projects locally so that they can organize meetups and similar events without visiting meta wiki. These events are only in one language and do not necessarily need translation or exposure to other regions.
:::::This would also allow the calendar tool to be used outside of Wikimedia wikis, i.e. at a wiki that is run for a non-profit organization on their own wiki. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 09:37, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|Gryllida}},
::The initial goal of this calendar was to gather in one place (on meta) all events in relation with the Wikimedia movement (to be able to see Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikisource,... related events for example, without having to go on each project individually), while allowing people to create their own subsets using tags and/or location filters.
::So you can add your events to the global calendar, and put on another page (on meta) a template like <code><nowiki>{{Events calendar|tags=1Lib1Ref|locations=Greece}}</nowiki></code> for exemple, to show only 1Lib1Ref events in Greece. As others also filters their calendar, it won't show up on the calendar of people looking for events in France. It won't appear either on the ''Wikisource UserGroup'''s calendar, as they filter to show only Wikisource-related events in all countries ([[:meta:Wikisource Community User Group/Events]]). See [[:meta:Template:Events calendar]] for other examples.
::Currently the main drawback is that to add new locations or tags, you will have to edit manually a [[:meta:Events calendar/parameters.json|json file]], I'll work on that point next week-end.
::As you are not the first to ask to import this on an other Wikimedia wiki, I'll look in some weeks to allow import on other wiki, while keeping the data centralized.
::Regards — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:0x010C|~discuter~]]</sup> 09:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks and I would also like to use it on a non-commercial wiki which is not a part of Wikimedia movement - so please consider making it possible to store data locally. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:42, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

==Bot for infobox image cleanup==
Hello, I have done many cleanups in which image was being used in infobox inappropriately like [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/831355558 this]. Can such tasks be performed across wiki by a bot? [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 04:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:To answer your question yes it can be done, but based on my own experience of doing it I would say its better being done with [[WP:AWB]] because there's no accounting for the numerous wonderful ways editors managed to format the code for fields like that. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 10:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::AWB is tedious and this is a recurring issue. Another important fact is that the image does not display at all in such pages. [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 15:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::If you find it tedious, that sort of editing might not be for you. Some of us find it relaxing. As for the image, it was displaying [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._James%27_Episcopal_Church_(Manitowoc,_Wisconsin)&oldid=818303275 just fine before your edit]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== Doubled-up overlapping coordinate links ==

In [[Upper Twin Falls Bridge]], there are two overlapping and slightly offset coordinates links in the upper-right corner (Firefox 52.6.0 on CentOS 7, vector skin). <nowiki>{{coord}}</nowiki> is in <nowiki>{{Infobox NRHP}}</nowiki> which is embedded in <nowiki>{{Infobox bridge}}</nowiki>. Since the coords are repeated in both infoboxes, would that be part of the cause? [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 16:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:I moved the coords from the NRHP infobox out to the Bridge infobox, and that fixed it in this case. I'm not sure what the general-case fix should be. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 16:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Checking the history, it looks like the edit that's currently causing the problem was {{diff|Upper Twin Falls Bridge|741011359|next|here}}, where the individual NRHP coordinate parameters were combined into the coord template. I don't know if the double display started happening then, or if there was a later change to coord that caused it. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 16:29, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::[[:Template:Infobox bridge]] was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_bridge&type=revision&diff=823306641&oldid=805417637 changed in January to pull coordinates from Wikidata] if they were not present in the infobox. Coordinates embedded in the NRHP sub-template were displayed along with the Wikidata coordinates. Moving the coordinates from the NRHP template to the bridge template made the infobox stop looking in Wikidata for the coordinates. It looks like there is not any sort of error tracking built into the template to detect this condition. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 19:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== My own username ==

How do I obtain my own logged in username?  The [[Template:Userspace linking templates|userspace linking templates]] require you to manually enter a username.  Three tildes will get me my signature, but how can I automatically get just my logged in username?  Thanks, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 22:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:4 tildes. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 22:55, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Nope.  That gets me my signature and the date, but not just my username.  This ought to be simple, but I haven't found it yet.  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] 23:07, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::<code><nowiki>{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}</nowiki></code> will produce it when you save. For what purpose? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::I would like to produce a version of [[Template:User]] that does not require the user to enter their own username (or a falsified username.)  Ideally the template would produce the user's signature with a link to their talk page, a link to their contributions page, the time, and the date.  e.g., [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]&thinsp;·&thinsp;[[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]) 23:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Such a template can only work if it's substituted so the documentation must specify to write <code><nowiki>{{subst:User}}</nowiki></code>. You need someting to keep the right code on the template page itself, e.g. <code><nowiki>{{sub<noinclude></noinclude>st:REVISIONUSER}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to work either.  Thanks, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]&thinsp;·&thinsp;[[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]) 20:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::The safesubst version may fail more gracefully when the caller doesn't use subst. It will display the latest editor of the page instead of the one who saved <code><nowiki>{{Sign in}}</nowiki></code>, where my version will display ugly code. If <code><nowiki>{{subst:Sign in}}</nowiki></code> is used as required then the two versions should behave the same. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:08, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Natureium}} [[WP:3TILDES|Three tildes]] and [[WP:4TILDES|4 tildes]] differ only in the absence or presence of the timestamp. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Tildes default to the user signature rather than the username.  How do I extract the username?  [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]&thinsp;·&thinsp;[[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]) 20:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Buaidh}} you may have to use a [[WP:SAFESUBST|SAFESUBST]]. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 20:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Thank you.  I think we finally got it.  Please see [[Template:Me]].  Yours aye, [[User:Buaidh|<span style="color:white;background-color:maroon;font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;Buaidh&nbsp;</span>]] ([[User talk:Buaidh|talk]]&thinsp;·&thinsp;[[Special:Contributions/Buaidh|contribs]]) 20:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== Bug adding lines of blank text ==
{{tracked|T190351}}
Hi all, per instructions at Phabricator, I'm stopping to inquire here first; I'm well out of my depth on this and would be grateful for guidance.

I appear to be encountering a bug that is now repeatedly adding extra blank lines to the same spot in one entry ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28writer%29&type=revision&diff=830952131&oldid=830951790 1], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28writer%29&type=revision&diff=830957347&oldid=830957207 2], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28writer%29&type=revision&diff=830963569&oldid=830963253 3]). I'm editing in browser Firefox Quantum 58.0.2. If I'm tracking this correctly, it's only when I use the Visual Editor, although I was working on the same entry earlier in the day and this had not been happening, even on Visual Editor.

Might someone be willing, firstly, to cast a second set of eyes to make sure there's not some straightforward issue I'm overlooking, and if not, then assist me in properly reporting the matter (whether that's at Phabricator or wherever the appropriate place might be)? Much obliged! [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 00:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:<s>Huh. Error no longer reproducing today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯</s> Nope, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28journalist%29&type=revision&diff=831112057&oldid=831111919 jinxed it]. Appears only to be happening when I edit the section nearest the error. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 20:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for this bug report!  I wish we knew how to reproduce it reliably, because a third-party MediaWiki site was asking about this recently (they really want to add extra blank lines/whitespace on their pages).  I think I can trigger it by adding a single space at the very end of the paragraph that begins "After layoffs at MTV News".  Does that work for [[User:Innisfree987|you]]?  Or do you have any other ideas about how to reproduce this?  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:21, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Ha, yes I would gladly hand off the bug to someone who has a use for it! Let me tinker a bit and see if I can pin it down more precisely for you. More TK. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 19:30, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Ok, looking more closely: one thing I can tell you is the bug appears to have moved (or, the text moved around the bug, who can say?) In the first three instances I cited, it came above the paragraph you mention; the most recent time, it came afterward. Will now go test-edit more systematically, more shortly. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 23:09, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Hi there]], so I've played around with it and I do think any edit--[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28journalist%29&type=revision&diff=831509431&oldid=831509339 addition] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28journalist%29&type=revision&diff=831510353&oldid=831509903 subtraction]--to the paragraph you mention triggers the additional lines. I now don't find the same thing happening with any other paragraph in that section, even though, as I mention above, previously the bug had added lines elsewhere. I did move big chunks of text around though (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28journalist%29&type=revision&diff=830957207&oldid=830954659 here]), and I have not closely examined whether the bug followed those moves. What I can tell you is that if in perusing revisions, you see extra lines where they don't belong, it was almost definitely the bug--of course an errant click on the return key that I just overlooked is possible, but I didn't have any instances, e.g. where I know hit "save" sooner than I meant to and accidentally left in extra lines I had meant to clean up.
:::::Does that help? Let me know if there's anything else I can do! [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 23:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::This is totally cool.  [[User:Innisfree987|Thanks]] for doing that.  I've filed a bug and pointed the devs here, because I like your explanation so much.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|thanks]] for kind words--especially nice to hear on something well outside my wheelhouse!
:::::::One more thought to add: here's the diff where [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_(journalist)&diff=next&oldid=830942148 I first notice the bug], which is after an IP made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_%28journalist%29&type=revision&diff=830833204&oldid=814883807 a big edit] that included what I'm guessing is a deprecated template (or anyhow it didn't work) as well as some other invisible source text of purpose unknown to me... I ''think'' I removed all that text ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_(journalist)&diff=next&oldid=830943681 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jamil_Smith_(journalist)&diff=next&oldid=831125750 here]) and the bug's still happening, so maybe that addition is irrelevant, but perhaps something to look into if other options are exhausted. 
::::::: Thanks for filing the bug report for me! [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 23:17, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

== extract  only infobox template ==
is there any tools or way to extract only <big>Infobox settlement</big> from pages and save in txt.
i want  save infobox of citys of india in txt and run by bot to create article.--[[User:Monorodo|Monorodo]] ([[User talk:Monorodo|talk]]) 20:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
: [[m:pywikibot|pywikibot]] is capable of giving you the parameters to template invocations, I believe. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 12:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:: pywikibot.page.Page.templatesWithParams(get_redirect=NotImplemented) [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 12:39, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== Shortcut to display User Contributions ==

A keyboard shortcut to display another editor's 'User contributions' whilst on their User Page or their Talk page would seem to be incredibly useful and save a lot of fiddly mouse/finger movement and scrolling down. The link to Special:Contributions is buried half-way down the left hand side of the page in Tools, yet is one of the most frequent page links I use. I can only find one proposal of this nature on Phabricator, but it relates to Huggle. Have I missed something obvious, or would others see this as meriting a Phabricator proposal? [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 10:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
:I might be misunderstanding this but if you look at [[m:Help:Keyboard shortcuts]] there is a table (also see [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Access_keys Manual:Interface/Access keys]). In that table there is an item ''accesskey-t-contributions'' which is blank, meaning undefined by default. It doesn't seem to be "my contributions" as that seems to be ''accesskey-pt-mycontris'' (defined as 'y'). The "User contributions" link under "Tools" certainly has ''id="t-contributions"'' in CSS. So there are 2 'ifs' here - '''if''' I'm right about how it works, and '''if''' ''accesskey-t-contributions'' would do what you want when enabled, then it could be as simple as getting consensus for doing it, what key to use, and an admin adding that key to [[MediaWiki:Accesskey-t-contributions]], with no code changes needed. ...Or I could be hopelessly misreading it all and that won't work... --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 11:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
::It appears from the blue link and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=Accesskey-&filter=all&lang=en&limit=100] that [[MediaWiki:Accesskey-t-contributions]] is still in the software, and from [[MediaWiki:Tooltip-t-contributions]] ("A list of contributions by this user") that you are right about its purpose. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|Begoon|PrimeHunter}} Ok -thank you very much - that sounds very positive. I accept that concensus would be needed to create this keyboard shortcut. I would really welcome a steer on how best to now go about obtaining that support. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 00:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{u|Nick Moyes|Nick}}, sorry to take so long to answer, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't sending you on a wild goose chase, so I dug out the backup of my old local MediaWiki install, upgraded it to ver 1.30.0 (that was fun...), and tested it out. The good news is it works. While my local ''MediaWiki:Accesskey-t-contributions'' page was empty the shortcut key I chose ('g' because it didn't seem to be used for anything else) did nothing. As soon as I put the single character 'g' at my ''MediaWiki:Accesskey-t-contributions'' page and flushed my cache that shortcut key <small>(alt-shift-g in Win7 firefox, varies per OS/browser)</small> now functioned, taking me to wherever clicking the "User contributions" link in the "Tools" sidebar menu would, i.e. the contribs of whatever user's page, talk page etc I had open. So, I guess the answer to your question would be to propose it at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)]], and point them to this discussion for reference. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 15:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Begoon}} Thank you so much - that's very good news. I will start preparing that sometime next week as I'm now going to be away for a few days. I really appreciate you investigating whether this is feasible, and confirming that alt-shift-g is available and functions as we discussed. So, assuming consensus were gained, would I come back to you with that evidence and ask you to deploy it, or is there a different route to follow? My apologies for my ignorance on these matters. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::No, you'd need an admin who can edit that page in the Mediawiki namespace according to the consensus. The Mediawiki namespace is restricted because it contains interface messages and pages that affect how the software for the whole site functions, like this example. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 15:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== Infobox position ==

Infoboxes have been uniformly appearing for me at the top of the page, aligned left, pushing the lede down and off of my screen.  Example image shown:


This can't possibly be the expected behavior, right? Viewing the desktop site in google chrome.  Cheers, [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 06:50, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
: {{u|Tazerdadog}} my first thought is that you may have a corrupted [[CSS]] stylesheet (or equally a buggy user script). I assume this issue is new, have you made a change to something like that recently? [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 12:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:: Then again, when I checked your user scripts, the last change was on [[User:AlexTheWhovian/script-redlinks.js]] - 14th December 2017. I dobut it's related, but it might be worth uninstalling user scripts to see if that fixes matters, and, if not, gadgets. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 12:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::The screenshot shows you have MonoBook at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]]. The infobox at [[Human]] is floating to the right for me in Google Chrome 65.0.3325.181 with MonoBook. And it has a border your screenshot is missing. I see the same as you at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human?useskin=monobook&safemode=1. safemode=1 omits loading site-specific JavaScript and CSS so it appears your browser is not loading it correctly, specifically infobox CSS from [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. Try to [[WP:BYPASS|clear your cache]]. Does it happen if you log out? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:45, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Clearing my cache and viewing the page while logged out both resolved this problem.  Thank you.  Is this a situation that could arise again for other editors, or is it outside of wikipedia's control?  [[User:Tazerdadog|Tazerdadog]] ([[User talk:Tazerdadog|talk]]) 17:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== Later revisions menu in diffs? ==

[[File:Later-revisions-screenshot.jpg|thumb|right]]
What is the "later revisions" menu supposed to do?  If I'm at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Notability_(music)&diff=148182964&oldid=148182964 this diff page] and select "7 days forward" from the "later revisions" menu, the page refreshes, but I'm left at the same diff URL.  The "former revisions" menu works as I expect, taking me back that many versions or amount of time.  Is this broken, or am I just not grokking how it's supposed to work?  I'm sure this is some optional feature I turned on at some point, but I don't remember which feature it was.  -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
: Looks like [[User:DerHexer/revisionjumper|revisionjumper]] to me. – [[User:Srdjan m|Srdjan m]] ([[User talk:Srdjan m|talk]]) 14:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

== Excluding unprintworthy redirects from search bar autocomplete? ==

Not sure where I got the impression that this should already be the case, but apparently it is not so. The idea is that [[:Category:Unprintworthy redirects|Unprintworthy redirects]] (or at least [[:Category:Redirects from incorrect names|Redirects from incorrect names]]) should not appear as autocomplete suggestions when a user types in the search bar. This is because while these redirects are useful for redirecting users who type in the query to the correct article, they are confusing as suggestions to the general user. Discussions from [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 105#Unprintworthy cross-namespace redirects are not being excluded from the search dropdown as expected|2012]] and [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 108#Remove redirects from search bar|2013]] don't seem to indicate consensus. Has there been more recent discussions on this? Should this be filed as a bug? --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 23:04, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

== Page move and Page delete links missing ==

I am finding the menu items to do a [[WP:MOVE|move]] of the current page, and to delete the current page, missing from the page menu. Nor are they under any other menu or sub-menu. I assume that some change has broken some script I have in my js or css page. I would like advice on this point. Has anyone else experienced such an issue? I am editing from Firefox 59.0.1. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|<sub>DESiegel Contribs</sub>]] 20:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:The page menu is made by MoreMenu at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]. I had the same issue 3 weeks ago. It was fixed by clearing all website data in Firefox. It wasn't enough to use {{keypress|Ctrl|F5}} or clear cached web content. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:54, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|DESiegel}} Did this possibly happen 3 weeks ago, and you just didn't notice until now? I ask because as PrimeHunter pointed out, they and one other had the [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_164#Lost_the_delete_button|same issue]] around the same time. I wonder if this was an isolated event (Firefox update, perhaps), or if it is a recurring bug. I've never heard of this issue until it was reported on March 6, and only trivial changes have been made to the script over the past year or so. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 23:43, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
::No, I know I deleted pages just a few days ago. However, today I was editing on a machine other than my usual desktop. Tonight I am back at my usual machine and all is as it sho9uld be. I will probably bne on the other machine tomorrow or soon, and I will try clearing the cache and possibly updating Firefox then.  Thanks, {{U|PrimeHunter}}, {{U|MusikAnimal}}. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|<sub>DESiegel Contribs</sub>]] 01:08, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== UILANGCODE ==

I don't know how to display code name of user language on [[Special:Preferences]], such as <code><nowiki>{{UILANGCODE}}</nowiki></code> [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Bw-sidebar-changes-lang #1] in Translatewiki.net. I find a previous talk page about it in [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive AU#Magic Word for My Preferences Language]]. But it isn't the answer I am looking for. 

My question is, for example, if "template:abcdef" had some subpages (e.g. "/ar" or "/zh") as below, what value should I put in field "UILANGCODE"?

<pre>
{{#ifexist: 
|{{Template:abcdef/{{UILANGCODE}}}}
|{{Template:abcdef/{{UILANGCODE}}}}
|{{Template:abcdef}}
}}
</pre>

Could somebody help me about this? Thanks. --[[User:Garam|Garam]] ([[User talk:Garam|talk]]) 11:13, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:For what purpose? I don't think the English Wikipedia can do this in a practical way and we may not want it since we are not a multilingual wiki and generally don't want users to see different text except in the user interface. There are also possible cache and link table issues mentioned at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive AU#Magic Word for My Preferences Language]]. Commons made a system to do it at [[:commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 11#MediaWiki:Lang]]. They created a bunch of subpages with language codes at [[:commons:Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang]]. We would need consensus to do that here and I'm not sure the developers would like it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::This basically, we don't want "content" displayed to readers in different languages - managing it from a vandalism prevention aspect alone would be hard. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::@[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]], [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]]: Ah, it is needed in other Wikimedia project, not English Wikipedia. :p Sometimes it may be used in Wikispecies or Meta-Wiki etc, if no language template is available, such as [[:c:Template:Header]] in Commons. And I think, Commons's "lang" system is similar to [[:wikt:ko:틀:어원/언어 이름]] ("Template:Etymology/language name"). <del>But it is not what I wanted.</del> Umm, in other words, we don't have magic words covering all project? Thanks --[[User:Garam|Garam]] ([[User talk:Garam|talk]]) 16:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::: The point of my question is, what can I do, as per [[:species:Wikispecies:Distinguished author]]? --[[User:Garam|Garam]] ([[User talk:Garam|talk]]) 16:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::::You wasted both our and your own time by concealing it's not about the wiki you posted the question to. The edit notice for this page says "Where did you encounter the problem?". Wikispecies already has the same system I mentioned at Commons: [[:species:Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang]]. So you can just write <code><nowiki>{{int:Lang}}</nowiki></code> to get the language code. I don't know whether they have a policy about what to use it for. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]]: Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstand the meaning of your comments. That is what I'm looking for. Thanks a lot! --[[User:Garam|Garam]] ([[User talk:Garam|talk]]) 17:43, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Getting a bot to run of WMF servers ==

After a long period of sleep I wanted to reactivate my bot for Teahouse archival notification (see [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Tigraan-testbot]] for details) to get it run on WMF servers as a cron job. However, the documentation to getting a bot run on the servers is quite hard to decipher. If someone could give me a step-by-step guide (either here or on my TP) it would be nice. (I already have  [https://github.com/Tigraan/Teahouse-bot/blob/master/scripts/teahouse-archival-bot.py the source code I want to run], and it would probably pass BRFA easily since it is just a refactoring of the previously-approved task, but I do not have any account on the WMF servers or OAuth key or whatever else is needed to ''technically'' run the thing). [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 20:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
:Hi thank you for asking. [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] This should hopefully be relatively easy. https://tools.wmflabs.org/admin/ says 
:1. Create an LDAP account (you must have an LDAP account to access the Toolforge project) https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/register/
:2. Add a public SSH key (you will need this to access Toolforge servers using SSH) https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/profile/settings/ssh-keys
:3. Request access to the Toolforge project (Join us!) https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/tools/membership/apply
:4. Create a new Tool https://toolsadmin.wikimedia.org/tools/create/
:Once you are in the system via your username, use 'become toolname' to log in under the tool's account, 'jsub script' to submit your job to the cluster queue. [[:wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Grid#Submitting_simple_one-off_jobs_using_%27jsub%27]].
:Use {{freenode|wikimedia-cloud}} to ask for help on live chat. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you {{U|Gryllida}}. I just requested toolforge access. I cannot ssh into gerrit.wikimedia.org right now (access denied even though I am pretty sure of my SSH footwork) but this could be because I do not have the credentials yet. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 18:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:Tigraan|Tigraan]] [[gerrit]] is a [[code review]] tool for mediawiki developers you do not need to log in there. Try logging in to login.tools.wmflabs.org instead using a username that is all lowercase. I see your username is in the system as "id tigraan" returns me "uid=19061(tigraan) gid=500(wikidev) groups=500(wikidev)" so I am not sure of its status but at least it is there. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I think you need to wait for step 3 to finish as I am in a user group called 'project-tools' which you are not. Perhaps give it several hours or days but it should be a quick process I think. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::OK, I was misled by the Git instructions that referred to a different server. On login.tools.wmflabs.org it works fine. I could submit a couple of jobs to the grid from the "muninnbot" project. I still have quite a way to go (Pywikibot modules won't import, and I still need to see how to log in under the bot account from Toolforge), but I am past the stuck point. Many thanks. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 19:25, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::You're welcome. [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
{{resolved}}

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/12|Tech News: 2018-12]] ==

<section begin="technews-2018-W12"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks">
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/12|Translations]] are available.

'''Problems'''
* On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed. [https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/20180312-Cache-text]

'''Changes later this week'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.26|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from {{#time:j xg|2018-03-20|{{PAGELANGUAGE}}}}. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from {{#time:j xg|2018-03-21|{{PAGELANGUAGE}}}}. It will be on all wikis from {{#time:j xg|2018-03-22|{{PAGELANGUAGE}}}} ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] There is no Editing team meeting this week.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=16&min=00&sec=0&day=21&month=03&year=2018 {{#time:j xg|2018-03-21|{{PAGELANGUAGE}}}} at 16:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-March/001812.html][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184485]
* [[mw:In-context_help_and_onboarding|In-Context Help and Onboarding]] is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. [[mw:Collaboration|Collaboration team]] is expecting feedback and comments on [[mw:Talk:In-context_help_and_onboarding|the project talk page]], especially from people working with newcomers.

'''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]] • [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News#contribute|Contribute]] • [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/12|Translate]] • [[m:Tech|Get help]] • [[m:Talk:Tech/News|Give feedback]] • [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Tech ambassadors|Subscribe or unsubscribe]].''
</div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W12"/> 15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
<!-- Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=17845447 -->
:No mention of edit summary pings being deployed...? Are they live now or what? Thought that'd go into tech news issue. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 22:39, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:: It was mentioned last week, see [[#Tech News: 2018-11]] above. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 00:42, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, thanks, I think I missed that issue. Sorry. Thanks again. :-) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]], I sometime miss things from Tech News as well, so I sometimes thing about a "Previously in Tech News" section on any new issue... :D (And thank you for the reply, [[User:Anomie|Anomie]]!) [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|talk]]) 15:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Great thanks. :) (Please do not comment the last line as it shows which person delivered the message.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 17:52, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::The line is appended by [[MediaWiki:Massmessage-hidden-comment]] with source: <code><nowiki><!-- Message sent by User:$1@$2 using the list at $3 --></nowiki></code>. It's designed to be a hidden comment as the message name says. I see no good reason to unhide it here. The post already says: "'''''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|Tech news]]''' prepared by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Writers|Tech News writers]] and posted by [[m:Special:MyLanguage/User:MediaWiki message delivery|bot]]''". [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I'll include it in my own message for others' reference, then. Here it is: "Message sent by User:Trizek (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=17845447". Maybe someone finds it helpful - at least to know why I pinged Trizek when writing my message. [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== The problem with hiding bot edits in watchlist ==
{{tracked|T11790}}

There's an option to hide bots edits from your watchlist in your preferences, and I believe it's on by default. It makes sense; approved bots pretty much always make uncontroversial changes mostly involving maintenance tasks, so you don't want your watchlist to clutter up with those.

But let's imagine a scenario where user A watchlists article P, and user B comes along, adds a maintenance template (like {{tl|refimprove}}) to the article without the <code>|date=</code> parameter. And in subsequent edits (or even in the same edit), B also makes some pretty controversial changes. Now MaintenanceBot notices the missing date parameter and adds it.

Problem is, anyone who checks their watchlist ''after'' MaintenanceBot made the most recent edit will not see any changes to article P, and user B will (at least for a while) get away with their controversial changes.

One solution is to show the last human edit made since the page was viewed by the watcher, disregarding the most recent edit if it was made by a bot. This seems ideal, but it might be technically hard to implement without breaking something: the rollback button can no longer be displayed on only specific pages on your watchlist.

Another solution is to show bot edits where a human also made changes before the bot edit and after the watcher last saw the page. This is obviously less-than-ideal, but at least it draws attention. [[User:Smtchahal|Smtchahal]] ([[User talk:Smtchahal#top|talk]]) 04:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:Welcome to the 9th+ year of people wanting [[phab:T11790]] to happen {{ping|Smtchahal}}. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Wasn't aware of that, guess I should've looked first, thanks! [[User:Smtchahal|Smtchahal]] ([[User talk:Smtchahal#top|talk]]) 04:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::This only applies if people are grouping recent changes by page, but not otherwise? --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 04:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{re|Gryllida}} This applies to your watchlist, I don't know about recent changes. [[User:Smtchahal|Smtchahal]] ([[User talk:Smtchahal#top|talk]]) 05:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Gryllida: It applies if "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" is disabled at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist]]. Disabled is the default. It's mentioned at [[Help:Watchlist#Options]] with a reference to [[phab:T11790]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Enabled this option for myself in case someone makes two edits both of which are worth looking at. Didn't know if it before, I was assuming watchlist already shows all changes!! Thanks. [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]] --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:45, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:The bot-edit-hiding option is not on by default. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 09:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

== JavaScript exploit at fawiki ==

Paraphrased from [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-March/089636.html wikitech-l] and a couple of other posts: On 14 March 2018, cryptocurrency mining software was discovered on fawiki. It was removed and the user responsible globally locked soon after. It appears (from [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-March/089640.html here]) that fawiki was configured so that anyone with the template editor right could also edit the MediaWiki namespace, including [[:fa:MediaWiki:Common.js]]. Any website (particularly those with adverts) could attack users browsing with scripting enabled, and at enwiki, a compromised admin account could attack individuals or everyone with js exploits. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 04:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:It is interesting why that revision was fully suppressed after that? [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 18:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::For [[WP:BEANS]] reasons mostly I presume. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:This kind of exploit has been possible in MediaWiki for over a decade. Discussions to solve this exploit start again every year or so, but typically the same solutions are proposed as in previous discussions, and the same arguments for and against the solutions are rehashed each time. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 11:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah this is nothing new that it is possible, but it is one of the more atrocious occurrences of it having actually been exploited by a 'trusted' user (possibly boosted by the crypto hype making people more aware of the seriousness of such incidents). We've been discussing ways to fix this hole without pissing off users for several years. As I've stated many times before, if we were to have started MediaWiki in the late 2000s, early 2010s, then this whole feature would have never existed and neither would user scripts. But since it does, it will take many many years to get rid of it. Some day... either it will be abused so terribly that we have to shut it down completely, or we find a solution that works and piss off some people :) —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I am not sure that it would not be a solution in search of a problem - this is incident actually proved that it is impossible to insert any malicious code in the MediaWiki namespace scripts. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]], mediawiki without user scripts would be difficult to use, no? How do you think that would be implemented? Experienced editors would perhaps have to rely on desktop apps instead of using the web site. There is just so many routine tasks which need to be customized by the user that I do not know how that ecosystem would even work. For instance I started reviewing drafts recently and I find I often need to mark things and add comments ('<u>wonderful professor</u>('''biased, rephrase or remove''')' kind of thing inline). If not for user scripts then doing this would become rather laborious and time consuming. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 02:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::JavaScript is wonderful but it can produce problems. Paraphrased from [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-March/089878.html wikimedia-l],  a recent snafu resulted in JavaScript from Facebook being used for a certain central banner. The result was that Facebook received data about who ''viewed'' any page displaying the banner (no click required). The banner was only displayed for IPs, so only they were affected, and only for a short time. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 06:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::I didn't say "without Javascript". I said without user scripts and site scripts. We would likely only have (global) gadgets. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::That could leave users without ability to write scripts for themselves and instantly see how they work which in my view would be demotivating. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:32, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Named reference not recognised ==

I edited the page ''[[European Union–South Korea Free Trade Agreement]]'' to add a reference named <code>PolletFort2011</code>, which I invoked from different parts of the article using the <code>ref name="..."</code> syntax. Other than where it is defined, it is invoked from two places in exactly the same way, but one of them produces the error message <code>Cite error: The named reference PolletFort2011 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).</code> Purging the cache for the page did not help. Is there anything obvious that I am missing? --[[User:Joshua Issac|Joshua Issac]] ([[User talk:Joshua Issac|talk]]) 21:24, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{Re|Joshua Issac}} Fixed it. It seems that <code>PolletFort2011</code> is different from <code>PolletFort2011"</code> with a trailing double quote. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 21:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:Joshua Issac|Joshua Issac]] ([[User talk:Joshua Issac|talk]]) 23:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== Archiving community Good Article reassessments ==

Hi all. I used to work on community [[WP:GAR|Good Article reassessments]] area years ago and have recently returned. Old community reassessments are archived by Veblenbot. When I was involved I would have to manually update the [https://www.toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/cats/cats.pl category listing] to open up the next archive. However I am unable to do so now. {{user|CBM}} gave [[User talk:CBM/Archive 22#VeblenBot down?|control of the GAR archiving function of Veblenbot]] to {{u|Ruhrfisch}}, who is no longer able to maintain it (see [[User talk:Ruhrfisch#WP:GAR needs category list updating.]]). I found two relevant discussions at the Bot noticeboard ([[Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 8#New operator needed for VeblenBot and PeerReviewBot]] and [[Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard/Archive 10#User:VeblenBot]]) The last good article reassessment that was successfully archived was in April 2015 ([[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Archive 59]]).

This is obviously a long term problem that may affect other processes (peer review has been mentioned in a few threads). Is it possible to archive these reviews in a different way that doesn't require the manual updating of a bot? {{ping|GamerPro64|BlueMoonset|Geometry guy}} as editors familiar with the problem. [[User:Aircorn|AIR<b style="color: green;">''corn''</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 02:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

:I originally took over Veblenbot thinking it would be for a short time, and I could hand it over to someone who knew how to run and maintain it far better than I. No one has ever come forward to take over the bot and I am not able to maintain it now. Sorry, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]]  '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub style="color: green;">&gt;&lt;&gt;</sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 13:13, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::Will try Bot requests as no response here. Please ping me if you need me back here as I will take this off my watchlist. New thread [[Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 76#GAR archiving]]. [[User:Aircorn|AIR<b style="color: green;">''corn''</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 23:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== [SOLVED]  "invoke" does not work (parserfunction) ==
[[File:2ChocolateChipCookies.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yum. Hungry?]]
Hi ya'all!

On my own mediawiki  wiki - I added:

: wfLoadExtension( 'ParserFunctions' ); to localsettings

And yet [[template:red]] which coding is here:
:<nowiki><span style="color: Red;">{{{1}}}</span></nowiki> 

Still looks like this: 

:<nowiki>{{{1}}} {{#invoke:documentation|main|_content={{ {{#invoke:documentation|contentTitle}}}}}}</nowiki>

why? 

I will give you cookies if you answer. 

(please) 

[[User:Infinitepeace|Infinitepeace]] ([[User talk:Infinitepeace|talk]]) 11:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

:'''UPDATE''' The page just needed to be refreshed, now the template looks like this:
::<red><nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki></red>
:I maybe able to eat my own warm moist cookies!! [[User:Infinitepeace|Infinitepeace]] ([[User talk:Infinitepeace|talk]]) 11:49, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::'''[SOLVED]''' solved these cookies are fucking awesome. [[User:Infinitepeace|Infinitepeace]] ([[User talk:Infinitepeace|talk]]) 11:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Infinitepeace}} I'm glad you were able to solve your issue. If you have MediaWiki troubles in the future, you might get more assistance if you post to [[mw:Project:Support desk]] instead, which is a MediaWiki-specific forum. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 01:47, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== Any way to display how many pages were in a certain category over a period of time? ==

Is there a way to show the number of pages in a certain category at a certain time or does that require a tool to record this information beforehand? Specifically, I am under the impression that the amount of pages in [[:Category:Good article nominees awaiting review]] climbed after [[WP:ACTRIAL]] ended (from ~300 last week to 400+ a week later) but I have no idea whether that's correct. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 12:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:This historical information is not tracked as far as I remember. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 12:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:The Internet Archive at https://archive.org/ sometimes has snapshots of a category page showing the member count at the time. But they only have six snapshots of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Good_article_nominees_awaiting_review and the most recent is from July 2016. At [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist]] you can disable "Hide categorization of pages". If you add [[:Category:Good article nominees awaiting review]] to your wathclist then you can see pages being added and removed up to 30 days back. You may want to do this in an account which only watches that page. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:Googles cache often has a single snapshot. Search for <code><nowiki>site:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Good_article_nominees_awaiting_review</nowiki></code>, click the green triangle after the url and select "Cached". It currently shows 4 Mar 2018 23:35:11 GMT and says "The following 200 pages are in this category, out of approximately 393 total". [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

::{{re|PrimeHunter}} Interesting tip with the watchlist. If this information is apparently saved for 30 days, do you have any idea where the software caches it? I doubt the software checks all revisions in the last 30 days to determine which contain additions or removals of the category. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 19:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::You are right it doesn't check old revisions when a watchlist is viewed. Apart from inefficency it would be unreliable when time dependent features like templates are involved. I don't know the details but guess it's stored in a table associated with the category when MediaWiki first registers the category has been added or removed. [[:mw:Manual:CategoryMembershipChanges]] and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1808/ is about the feature. It's disabled by default in MediaWiki but enabled in Wikimedia wikis by setting wgRCWatchCategoryMembership to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::: It's added to the <code>recentchanges</code> table, along with rows for edits, log entries, Wikidata changes, and so on. The watchlist works by looking for entries in <code>recentchanges</code> that match pages in your watchlist. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 20:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, I didn't know that. I thought it would be too slow to examine all recent changes to generate a watchlist, so I incorrectly guessed that each page on the users watchlist was looked up in a table just for that page to see whether it has recent changes. That could also be slow for a huge watchlist. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

::::::{{re|Anomie|PrimeHunter}} Thanks to both of you! That is really useful to know. It let's you [https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/25765 query] stats quite nicely which means you can also create some charts for category usage over time (at least over 30 days). Sounds like something that might be a useful tool to have... Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 14:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
:Re [[:mw:Manual:CategoryMembershipChanges]] Would be be useful to show page additions and removals from a category in its history tab? [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 20:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Gryllida}} The point of the history tab on category pages is to show changes made to that page, not to the category. Considering there are some categories which have hundreds of changes daily (like [[CAT:CSD]]), that history would soon be unreadable otherwise. Plus, the changes are stored in the recent changes table only (i.e. for 30 days), so what you suggest would require saving those changes permanently, which requires a change to the software. Feel free to use [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/ Phabricator] to suggest such a feature. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<b style="color:#7A2F2F; font-variant:small-caps">So</b>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<b style="color:#474F84; font-variant:small-caps">Why</b>]] 06:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== [[:Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions]] ==

Maybe I've missed it, but this category doesn't seem to be populating as of late. Is there some specific process that should be populating it, but isn't? [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 22:33, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's automatically populated by {{tl|AFC submission/draft}} and {{tl|AFC submission/declined}} when they register a page hasn't been edited for 6 months. The templates look OK. Maybe somebody has just emptied the category recently. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::Is this one of the workflows that relies on {{User|Joe's Null Bot}} to purge the pages from time to time? Better ping {{Ping|Joe Decker}} in case there's a problem. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 06:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Category watch says Shadowowl has removed several old drafts from [[:Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions]] today, tagging them for speedy deletion so they move to [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions]]. {{ping|Shadowowl}} Do you find them in [[:Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions]] and empty the category regularly, or do you find them at [[User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report]] or elsewhere? It may take a day or more for time-dependent categories to populate automatically. If editors go through [[User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report]] daily then it's possible the software never or rarely gets time to display them in [[:Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:38, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::I daily take a look at [[User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report]], and nominate the abandoned drafts for G13 that do not have a chance to be accepted when submitted. Regards, --<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#aaa;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:10pt"> &raquo; [[User:shadowowl|<span style="color:#525252">Shadowowl</span>]] &#124; [[User_talk:Shadowowl|<span style="color:#4F7D7D">talk</span>]]</span> 11:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I guess Home Lander and others just have to also use [[User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report]] if they want part of the action. Nothing wrong here. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::: I will check in with the Null Bot logs later today and report back. --[[User:Joe Decker|joe decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup>]] 17:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::: FWIW, Null Bot reports poking 2203 G13 drafts (about the expected number) concluding at 0503 UTC today, so I suspect that folks are just getting to the expired ones before Null Bot does.  --[[User:Joe Decker|joe decker]][[User talk:Joe Decker|<sup><small><i>talk</i></small></sup>]] 17:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== Typefaces supported in Wikipedia ==

Hi. How can I find a list of all fonts supported by the Wikipedia code? [[User:Leefeni de Karik|Leefeni de Karik]] ([[User talk:Leefeni de Karik|talk]]) 18:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Leefeni de Karik}} for the most part, this is not a wikipedia side issue, it is a browser issue.  Can you be more specific about what you want to do? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::See [[User:Xaosflux/Sandbox35]] for some font examples. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::A font name is just passed to the user's browser which may or may not be able to display it, and may fall back to another font. See [[MOS:FONTFAMILY]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:18, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::This is very helpful, thanks. I was looking for this more in general terms, but I was specifically looking for a Gaelic type. [[User:Leefeni de Karik|Leefeni de Karik]] ([[User talk:Leefeni de Karik|talk]]) 19:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Re|Leefeni de Karik}} please keep in mind, that for language displays, the "font" may not be what causes you an issue, but the lettering and support for it (see [[Gaelic_type#In_Unicode]]) (also by the browser). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 20:50, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{re|Xaosflux}} There are many open source Gaelic fonts imitating the Gaelic type, I believe Unicode only includes separately more peculiar symbols. I can't find anyone supported by my own computer, so I shouldn't presume one to be supported by the average machine. Thanks anyway! [[User:Leefeni de Karik|Leefeni de Karik]] ([[User talk:Leefeni de Karik|talk]]) 21:08, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== Internal links appearing in washed out blue on mobile site ==

I don't know how long this has been going on as I always switch to the desktop version on my phone, but I've just noticed that on the mobile site (en.m.wiki) the internal links that appear in dark blue on the desktop site, here appear in washed out blue just like interwiki and external links. I hope this isn't a new feature, I like being able to tell where the link leads at a glance. [[Special:Contributions/93.136.0.248|93.136.0.248]] ([[User talk:93.136.0.248|talk]]) 07:55, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:External links normally have an icon [[File:External.png]] after them. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::Interwiki links don't and they have the same color now on functionality has been lost. E.g. [[Main page|this]] and [[:de:Hauptseite|this]] look the same now. [[Special:Contributions/93.136.0.248|93.136.0.248]] ([[User talk:93.136.0.248|talk]]) 15:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:Hi 93.136.0.248 [[File:Smiley.svg|x20px|:-)]]
:1. I didn't know there was CSS for this for logged out users. How are you doing this right now?
:2. There is a mobile friendly timeless skin, work is underway to make the others become mobile friendly too. However only logged in contributors are able to alter their skin preferences, and if you don't want to make an account you may wish to wait for the Vector skin updates to be finished and deployed.
:3. Try adding <syntaxhighlight lang="css">/* Let's color links based on destination - added by Gryllida */ 
#mw-content-text a:not(.external):not(.extiw){color:rgb(50,50,150);}</syntaxhighlight> to your [[Special:MyPage/common.css]] (also available to logged in contributors) to color local links in darker blue than the normal links. If you don't want to create an account, you may wish to find a means for your web browser to support custom CSS - something that I could help you with if I know what mobile web browser you are using. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Hello! for reference, we have planned a better visual change for these links. Goal is to have a differentiator that is accessible so that users with colorblindness can also use this feature. feel free to add feedback here on the phabricator  https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190549 [[User:Npangarkar (WMF)|Npangarkar (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Npangarkar (WMF)|talk]]) 21:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

== Display a message in a template only to user with a certain user-group? ==

Is it possible to have part of a template, or some of the code of a template appear only to autoconfirmed users (or higher), but not to non-autopatrolled users? I'm thinking whether a message could be built into the AfC decline template indicating to a user that it is optional and giving them the option to move it themselves, but only have it appear if they actually have the user-rights to do the move. (assuming ACTRIAL is approved moving forward). — '''''<small>[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insertcleverphrasehere]] <sup>([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])</sup></small>''''' 05:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:The following series of <code>*-show</code> classes in our site .css:
:* <code>sysop-show</code> 
:* <code>templateeditor-show</code> 
:* <code>extendedmover-show</code> 
:* <code>patroller-show</code> 
:* <code>autoconfirmed-show</code> 
:* <code>user-show</code> 
:Use them in a [[span and div|<code>span</code> and <code>div</code>]] to wrap content that is only intended to be seen by editors in that group. For example, I see  "deleted contribs" and "block user" links in {{tl|Checkuser}} because I am in group=sysop, but their <code>&lt;span class="sysop-show">...&lt;/span></code> wrapper would make them invisible for you. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 06:21, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Just in case that was not clear: this ''masks'' some text, but '''you cannot rely on it to protect secret information'''. Masking elements by .css still sends the text to the browser, which can be read by "inspect source code" and similar tools. For the purpose asked (customizing a template message depending on userrights) it is fine, but for others it might not be. Example of a poor use: <code>&lt;span class="sysop-show">Please oversight the last edit on the Donald Trump page, it gives his phone number +66-666-666 in the clear&lt;/span></code> ([[WP:OVERSIGHT]] must not be requested on public forums). [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 15:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Indeed {{ping|Tigraan}}. I can see the sysop elements without inspecting the source code merely by setting custom CSS. Of course, the sysop buttons don't actually do anything for me. Might come in useful writing user scripts for admins though... [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 10:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:I think you mean {{tt|autoconfirmed}}. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 12:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, I did... I accidentally write the wrong one altogether too often... — '''''<small>[[User:Insertcleverphrasehere|Insertcleverphrasehere]] <sup>([[User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere|or here]])</sup></small>''''' 21:08, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:There is also <code>anonymous-show</code> to show only to logged out users, FYI. We don't appear to have one for autopatrolled users, but we could create one (though I agree that here I think you want <code>autoconfirmed-show</code>, not autopatrolled :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 19:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Is <code>anonymous-show</code> the antonym of <code>user-show</code>? I can't think of a simple general way to do the <code>*-hide</code> effect (show for users ''not'' in a certain group). [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 19:52, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, in [[MediaWiki:Group-user.css]] <code>.anonymous-show</code> is hidden, and hence elements with that CSS class are only shown to logged out users. You could do the same for the other user groups. E.g. add <code>.patroller-hide {display: none !important}</code> to [[MediaWiki:Group-patroller.css]]. Indeed the <code>!important</code> is important :) so that it overrides other display properties <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 04:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::::The <code>!important</code> annotation is a cop-out, it's almost always better to use a more specific selector instead. The problem is this: what happens when you want to override an <code>!important</code> declaration? There isn't a <code>!more-important</code> annotation, there are no levels of importance. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Certainly, !important is bad in practice, but here it would seem these rules should never be overridden, no? Of course feel free to update the -show rules if you want. They all currently use !important (the system invented by someone other than yours truly :) Also forgot to mention there's <code>.unconfirmed-show</code>. Probably should document these somewhere, since they are scattered across a bunch of CSS files <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 15:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|DMacks}} Classes may be negated, but only at style sheet level, not on the individual elements. So a rule like <syntaxhighlight lang=css>.templateeditor-show { ... }</syntaxhighlight> would match template editors, including admins; but a rule like <syntaxhighlight lang=css>.templateeditor-show:not(.sysop-show) { ... }</syntaxhighlight> would match template editors, but not those who have the templateeditor right as part of the admin bundle. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 10:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Contribs log not showing ==

If I go to my contribs log, I see nothing. How strange. Server hiccup, right? It still shows in Lupin's popups. [[User talk:My name is not dave|talk to <span style="color:#000000">'''''!'''''</span><span style="color:#F00">'''dave'''</span>]] 14:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[Special:Contributions/My name is not dave]] and [[Special:Log/My name is not dave]] look normal to me. Does it work if you log out or [[WP:BYPASS|clear your cache]]? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Hi {{u|PrimeHunter}}, I should have done that, but I guess I was spooked by the most unusual change. It is stemmed from me enabling the 'Show only likely problem edits (and hide probably good edits)' in my preferences section. Despite that option being in the 'recent changes' tab, such option operates for one's contributions as well, which I seriously do not get. I'm slightly disappointed by that because it could be very useful for RC patrol, if it wasn't hardcoded to operate on contributions. {{ping|DannyH (WMF)}} can you comment? Cheers. [[User talk:My name is not dave|talk to <span style="color:#000000">'''''!'''''</span><span style="color:#F00">'''dave'''</span>]] 16:10, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Edit summary ping ==
{{tracked|T189819}}
Hi, Is there any way to turn off the edit summary ping ? .... I'm now being pinged when editors revert to my revision (ie [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_pharmacies&oldid=prev&diff=832087571 here], I don't want to be notified when an editor reverts to my last revision ..... Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 19:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:Known issue since the new deploy. Should be fixed soon. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 19:56, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::Ah right thanks {{u|TheDJ}}, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 22:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::This fix should have gone out this week, we're looking into what may have caused this specific type of revert edit summary. (If it is a bot or other custom tool, updating the link from <nowiki>[[User:Foobar]] to [[:User:Foobar]]</nowiki> will not trigger the notification.) — [[User:TBolliger (WMF)|Trevor Bolliger, WMF Product Manager]] ([[User_talk:TBolliger (WMF)|t]])   22:45, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Hi, So far I've not had any notifications (and I believe my revisions have been reverted too) so I'm assuming this is all now fixed, Apologies for the rage above I thought this was some sort of new notification thing and as one can probably imagine I wasn't best pleased, Anyway all fixed by the looks of it so thanks all. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 16:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Watchlist maximum ==

I notice that the maximum number of items on a watchlist is 1000, which does not show me 30 days of articles.  I know this was discussed in August 2017.  Is there a plan to fix this issue? --[[User:Jax 0677|Jax 0677]] ([[User talk:Jax 0677|talk]]) 14:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:And here I was annoyed that my watchlist only covers ~30 hours.  I assume it's a performance thing, specifically for jerks like me who have too many pages to comb through.  At any rate, you can get more coverage if you sort by namespace; the limit applies for each. ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 16:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Procedurally generated articles? ==

Ok. This is a little silly. In the past hour we've had:

* [[Discount Log Off The Bench And In The Game With One Of These Major Hobbs Pants Guidelines Official Boutique]]
* [[Cheap Ralph Lauren Shorts Ideas To Construct Your Business Enterprise Or Manufacturer Official Boutique]]
* [[2018 Have Some Concerns About Adidas Energy Boost Get Replies Right Here Sale Shop]]

And those are just the ones that I've seen personally. For those without access, these are just pure garbage, barely intelligible as advertising, and are either procedurally generated by throwaway accounts or such poor translations that they may as well be. Is there an obvious edit filter that would catch these, dear tech savvy people? [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 13:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:These sound like the subject lines of emails that GMail automatically diverts to my spambox. Is GMail open-source? If so, we can harvest its spam filtration code. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:51, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Don't think gmail is open source. See [[SpamAssassin]], [[:Category:Spam filtering|cat]], [[Manual:Combating_spam#Abuse_filter|wiki filter]]. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== We need your feedback to improve Lua functions ==

Hello,

If you’re regularly using Lua modules, creating and improving some of them, we need your feedback!

The Wikidata development team would like to provide more Lua functions, in order to improve the experience of people who write Lua scripts to reuse Wikidata's data on the Wikimedia projects. Our goals are to help harmonizing the existing modules across the Wikimedia projects, to make coding in Lua easier for the communities, and to improve the performance of the modules.

We would like to know more about your habits, your needs, and what could help you. We have a few questions for you [[d:Wikidata:New convenience functions for Lua|on this page]].

Thanks a lot for your help, [[User:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)]] ([[User talk:Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|talk]]) 08:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] and [[User:Thayts|Thayts]] are editors I know of who have written a significant amount of code to access Wikidata; they might like to comment. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] would also be interested. Modules I'm aware of are [[Module:Convert/wikidata]] (my code) + [[Module:Wd]] + [[Module:Wikidata]] + [[Module:WikidataIB]]. A module has to do a lot of mucking around to access data and a ton of defensive programming should be used to avoid crashing with the effectively unstructured Wikidata. Thanks for the opportunity to comment which I might do later. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Lea Lacroix (WMDE)|Johnuniq}} Thanks, I've given my input on the linked page. [[User:Thayts|<span style="color:#466383;font-family:Georgia;font-style:italic;letter-spacing:1px">Thayts</span>]] [[User talk:Thayts|<span style="color:#7892A5">•••</span>]] 21:24, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Custom watchlists script [[User_talk:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists|not working]] ==

Does not read in from [[User:Gryllida/watchlists]], needs a debug. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:05, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|Gryllida}} What browser (e.g. Chrome) and skin (Vector, Monobook, etc.) are you using? I can take a look at this tonight <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 21:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Bah, I see you've already stated this at [[User talk:MusikAnimal/customWatchlists]]. Let's continue discussing there. Honestly this script needs to be rewritten from scratch. It is awfully written =p Surprisingly you're the first to say it doesn't work! <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 21:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Sortable link disables navbar links? ==

I believe that the following used to work
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! [[A]] {{navbar|style=float:right|:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|mini=y|brackets=y}} !! [[B]] !! [[C]]
|-
| 1 || 2 || 3
|-
| 0 || 4 || 2
|}
but now, if you try to click on the edit link, it toggles the sorting instead.  is there a way to make the edit link work again?  the regular wikilinks appear to work. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 15:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:It's caused by {{tl|navbar}} adding tooltips to the link text with <code><nowiki><abbr title="Discuss this template">t</abbr></nowiki></code> instead of just <code>t</code>. There is no current option to omit the tooltips but it could be requested at [[Template talk:Navbar]]. Below is an unstable hack to remove the tooltip on <code>t</code> with {{tl|replace}} in the call. I don't recommend this method but it shows that it works to remove tooltips. I don't know whether the problem can be solved without removing tooltips. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! [[A]] {{replace|{{navbar|style=float:right|:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|mini=y|brackets=y}}|<abbr title{{=}}"Discuss this template">t</abbr>|t}} !! [[B]] !! [[C]]
|-
| 1 || 2 || 3
|-
| 0 || 4 || 2
|}
:: [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]], thank you for figuring out the problem.  I have implemented something [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ASports_table&type=revision&diff=832725243&oldid=768061237 here] for [[Module:Sports table]]. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 17:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::These are required for accessibility. Without them, the v, t and e links would be cryptic; hence, each one is enclosed in [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-abbr-element an <code>abbr</code> element] in order to semantically mark them up as abbreviations. [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#the-title-attribute The <code>title="..."</code> attributes] provide the expansion of those abbreviations; browsers need not display them as tooltips but most do. Screen-reader software uses these attributes in order to speak out the expansion when requested ({{user|Graham87}} please confirm). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes, this is true, but there is no way for a screen reader user to know that there is a tooltip behind the link ... so it's almost useless. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 09:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

== No Watchlist notice for RfAs ==

I just read a question at the Teahouse about RfA notices on the Watchlist, which made me realise that two RfA discussions were going on but my watchlist hasn't displayed the notice. I know I saw the notice about Lourdes' RfA, which was the most recent one before these two, so something seems to have happened in between. I have not added any code to my skin.css and I have not unchecked "Display watchlist notices" in my Preferences. What else may I have done to stop the notices from showing up? I'm not a frequent contributor to RfAs, but I do like to get the notifications! --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 15:02, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
: The problem may be User:Bonadea/common.css where you have set the display of .mw-special-Watchlist to none. [[User:Mduvekot|Mduvekot]] ([[User talk:Mduvekot|talk]]) 15:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Hmm. That's the code that removes the rollback link from my watchlist - I've had it there for several years and it has not caused this problem before, but I'll remove it and see what happens. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 16:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::No, that did not help. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 16:38, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:Go to the [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|gadgets]] section of your preferences, and scroll down to the watchlist settings.  Do you have "Display watchlist notices" checked? ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 17:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Yes. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 17:52, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:Does it work in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist?safemode=1 safemode]? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I thought I replied to this already - no, I'm afraid not. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 18:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::You may have clicked dismiss at the message. If your browser has a cookie for en.wikipedia.org with a name starting with hidewatchlistmessage then delete it. The method depends on your browser. See http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-delete-cookies-in-chrome-firefox-safari-and-ie/. You can also try another browser or computer first. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 19:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Hmm, yes, I could have done that - I did not have that cookie though (and the problem exists both in Firefox for MacOSX and Safari for iOS.)
::::I very much appreciate you all taking the time to come up with suggestions, and like a good Swede I am now rather ashamed of none of the suggestions working, so far... --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 20:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::1) Do you have the default language "en - English" at [[Special:Preferences]]? 2) If not then do you see the message in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Watchlist&uselang=en en]? 3) Do you see it at [[MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages]]? 4) Do you see it here:
<ul id="watchlist-message">
{{RfA watchlist notice|format=watchlist|cookie=338}}
</ul>
:::::5) Or here:
{{RfA watchlist notice|format=watchlist|cookie=338}}
:::::[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Thank you! That was the problem right there. (I changed it to British English a few weeks ago, but there's no particular reason for me to keep that setting, not when it hides watchlist notices.)  Thanks again! --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 21:12, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Bonadea}} I copied the message to en-gb, but strongly discourage you from using en-gb here - you could expect a lot of little things to go wrong. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Also updated [[phab:T122712]] as another example of why missing en-xx messages on en. projects should fall back to /en instead of mediawiki defaults. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:25, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, en-gb has caused problems with many features for many users. Preferences viewed with [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=en-gb en-gb] displays [[MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb]] with a mild note: Your language setting of "British English" means that you may miss [[Help:Preferences#Internationalisation|some local customisations]]. The page history shows I tried to say a stronger "not recommended" and then "poorly supported", but it was opposed. Last time I checked the only advantage with en-gb was around 10 small spelling changes in the entire interface. For this you lose (or "may miss" as it was changed to) a lot of messages customized for the English Wikipedia with links to relevant policies, guidelines, processes, help pages and so on, and various other things like watchlist messages. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:32, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::{{re|PrimeHunter}} [[MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-ca]] is "stronger" - through an edit request out there for a week and see if you get any feedback - it certainly causes issues. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I use en-gb too, that's what I was taught at school. --[[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] 01:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Let's just do away with en-gb and en-ca as language setting options. Anybody using these can be switched over to en, by one of the devs running a table maintenance update. I'd like to see a valid objection to this proposal. Honestly, the existence of these two options causes more trouble than they're worth, considering that they make ''zero'' difference to article text. How many times do words like "elevator", "faucet" or "sidewalk" come up in MediaWiki interface pages? When they do, who fails to understand them? Does it ''matter'' that "color" is spelled without a U, or how "tomato" is pronounced? --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Does it matter? [[Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars#Spelling_and_Pronunciation|Does it matter??!!?]] --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 15:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::<small>if the contents of [[:Category:Varieties_of_English_templates]], or the talk pages of [[aluminium]], [[caesium]], or [[sulfur]] are any indication, people sure seem to think so [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ&nbsp;Keeper]]&nbsp;[[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 15:19, 27 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::::I'm not talking about articles. I'm talking about system interface messages, such as [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-edit-builder-vars-file-bits-per-channel]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
: I was having this issue too, changing en-GB to en fixed it for me too. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 15:24, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

:I support removal of en-gb and en-ca as interface language options at the English Wikipedia. In 2014 at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 130#Changing the interface texts for users who have Wikipedia configured for British English]] I wrote:
::Here is a possibly complete summary of differences between en and en-gb: uncategorized/uncategorised, [former difference omitted], "$1"/‘$1’ (different quote characters in many messages), color/colour, canceled/cancelled, vandalized/vandalised, Kilometers/Kilometres, meters/metres, digitize/digitise, program/programme, License/Licence. So for a few British spellings and different quotation marks, users with en-gb lose hundreds of customized messages at the English Wikipedia.
:The number of en-gb messages has grown a little since but is still insignificant. I haven't checked whether it's just more examples of the above differences or there are new differences. For an example of what en-gb loses, see our customized [[MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext]] versus the MediaWiki default at [[MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext/en-gb]], when trying to edit a protected page. It can be seen in action at [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F.Y.R._Macedonia&action=edit&uselang=en en] versus [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F.Y.R._Macedonia&action=edit&uselang=en-gb en-gb]. Admins can log out to see the difference. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Please note, removal of these (locally deleting) will not resolve the issue unless [[phab:T122712]] or something like it is done to define the fall-back language from en-gb to en for example. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 18:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Apparently that phab request has been refused...I suggest we more strongly warn editors to just not use en-xx variants. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Do we have the technical ability to completely disable the en-gb and en-ca options for editors so that there is only one "option"? If we have the technical ability to make that change, perhaps a discussion could form a consensus around doing so. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't look like it. We could put a banner message up for them that says "hey you - go change back to /en if you want this to go away! :D — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
*we could do some hacky workarounds like translude the main mediawiki message in all the variants - but I think it is more trouble then it is worth and may not work with some of the modules and certain types of messages. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::Transclusion doesn't work properly when the message has parameters. See [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 158#Odd looking block message]] for my attempts. There are also messages where wikitext is not parsed and all transclusion is impossible. If we want a local solution to synchronize messages without software changes then we may need a bot with admin rights to automatically find and copy all changes from en to en-gb and en-ca. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|PrimeHunter}} Ugg yuck.  I'd rather just '''strongly''' discourage this use. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

== Proposed deletion template request ==

I made this request a couple of weeks ago at [[Template talk:Proposed deletion#Proposed deletions needing attention]] but I guess there is no one watching the page who can help.

Can we have a means of removing pages from [[:Category:Proposed deletions needing attention]].  I mean without the nuclear option of removing the prod template.  Sometimes the new article is on a different subject to the deleted article (eg different person with same name) so the prod is actually valid.  There is no obvious way for administrators to process the category when that happens. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 22:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:If there were any, then users could use it to effectively shut down the usefulness of this feature. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד&nbsp;מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od&nbsp;Mishehu]] 09:21, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
::I don't see why anyone would want to do that maliciously.  By policy, anybody, including the creator, can permanently kill a proposed deletion just by removing the template, and without giving a reason.  That gets it out of the category for sure.  Actually leaving it in the category ''increases'' the chances the prod will be declined. [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 17:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

== Why does the ill template only allow red links? ==

Why does this only link to other langs if the article is red linked on WP? As an example, Zoe Cramond does not work, I've tried everything possible. [[Zoe Cramond]] only links to en, however if I spell it wrong {{ill|Zoe Cramod|es}} it does the appropriate linking. Is this only available if an article doesn't exist? This seems silly as there are other reasons to use ill for existing articles (outside of article space.) <span style=font-size:11px>[[User:Chrissymad|<span style="color:#614051">CHRISSY</span><span style="color:#301934;font-size:11px">'''MAD'''</span>]] <span style="color:#9090C0;letter-spacing:-2px;font-size:9px">❯❯❯</span>[[User talk:Chrissymad|<span style="color:#614051;font-size=11px">¯\_(ツ)_/¯</span>]]</span> 20:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:The intent was that they would become regular blue links when the English language article was created, the idea being that a foreign language article was better than none at all. You can use the {{para|preserve}} option to get the effect you want, ie {{code|<nowiki>{{ill|Zoe Cramond|es|preserve=1}}</nowiki>}} generates {{ill|Zoe Cramond|es|preserve=1}}  [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 20:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::You can also just make a wikilink yourself with <code><nowiki>[[:es:Zoe Cramond]]</nowiki></code> producing [[:es:Zoe Cramond]]. See [[Help:Interlanguage links#Inline links]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

== Porting foreign Lua modules not licensed under CC-BY-SA ==

I would like to use an ordered-set implementation for [[Module:Infobox gene]] over on zh.wp, which is already using a naive dict-based set implementation for merging labels from both "en" and "zh". There is [https://github.com/basiliscos/lua-ordered-set a library] available under [[Artistic License]] 2.0 on GitHub, but I am not sure whether I can just introduce the library here by copying the entire file over and declaring a license different from CC-BY-SA. Can I have a compatible license declared for in a Lua Module separate from the rest of the site? I would imagine the case is similar to media files... --[[User:Artoria2e5|Artoria]][[User talk:Artoria2e5|2e5]] <small style="font-weight:lighter">[[Special:Contributions/Artoria2e5|contrib]]</small> 06:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:I have no idea about the licensing but do you really need OrderedSet? If you point me to a discussion somewhere (module talk?) explaining what the problem is I might be able to offer some thoughts. I guess the issue is aliasSet in [[:zh:Module:Infobox gene]] but I don't want to take the time to work out what is actually needed. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:Artistic License 2.0 has a very flexible re-licensing clause, which permits re-licensing of derivatives as CC-BY-SA. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:40, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

== [[Puget]] ==

I moved the French town of [[Puget]] (a remote French commune) to [[Puget, Vaucluse]] in order to create a disamguation page. Now I can't seem to find the French place through my page moves. Any help is appreciated.– [[User:Gilliam|Gilliam]] ([[User talk:Gilliam|talk]]) 04:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:There's been some wonky things happening with page moves lately. I believe a thread was here recently about it. I undeleted the revisions on [[Puget, Vaucluse]] and restored the content. Strangely enough, I gave myself an edit conflict when doing so. [[User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] ([[User talk:Killiondude|talk]]) 05:05, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{Done}} Thanks!– [[User:Gilliam|Gilliam]] ([[User talk:Gilliam|talk]]) 05:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

== Edit summary length ==

The space allowed for an edit summary is far too big. See, for example, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ask&offset=201803301651&limit=1&action=history this one] where the spammer has put all his text in the edit summary and nothing in the article. As well as or instead of shortening the summary length it would be possible really clever and put out a warning if the edit summary is a lot longer than the actual edit. &mdash; [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] ([[User talk:RHaworth|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/RHaworth|contribs]]) 17:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{u|RHaworth}} - You may want to participate in [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Turn_off_extended_edit_summaries]], Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 17:24, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I see that that discussion seems to have been closed with a firm intention to reduce the size to 500 bytes. So no further comments needed here. &mdash; [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] ([[User talk:RHaworth|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/RHaworth|contribs]]) 17:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

== Lead section [edit] link sliced by the horizontal line<span id="Lead_section_[edit]_link"></span> ==
<!-- id is for links to a former heading which was changed -->

''(archived without resolution)'' – &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:21, 30 March 2018 (UTC)</small>

When we go to {{myprefs|Gadgets}} and scroll down to '''Appearance''', the first checkbox is "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page". When this is checked, and when the "Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen" preference is also checked, the edit link appears low enough to be sliced by the horizontal line that underscores the page title. This is unlike all the other edit links for later sections of an article. Those edit links are above the horizontal line that underscores section titles. Is it possible to raise the lead-section edit link so it appears above the line like the other edit links? (Note that if the "Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen" preference is not checked, then the [edit] link comes right after the title and is positioned correctly above the horizontal line.) I use Windows 10 and have checked this in IE v11 and Chrome v65. &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>15:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:It looks normal for me in Win10 and Chrome (vector skin). What skin do you use? [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 16:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
::I use the vector skin, too. &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:(You should consider upgrading to Edge from IE11.) --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
::I have Edge. eeyechhhh''!'' &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
::'''PS''' I just checked it with Edge v41 and have the same problem. <small>PS left by &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)</small></small>
::'''PPS''' I just checked it with Firefox v57 – same problem. <small>PPS added by &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)</small></small>
:::What screen resolution do you use? [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 00:04, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
::::My Windows 10 setting is 1280 x 1024, and in IE and Chrome the text size is set to "largest" with 100% zoom. In Edge and Firefox the text size is set to normal. &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>12:30, 15 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::It may be an interference from another gadget or script. Try to disable them one by one. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 18:26, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::If you have more than a couple, then a binary search pattern is faster:  disable half, and see if it's still a problem.  If it's still broken, then disable half of what's left and check again.  If it isn't, then put half of the removed ones back in, and check those.  You may also want to see [[mw:Help:Locating broken scripts]].  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 21:16, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::Thank you [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik_<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] and [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]]''!'' The gadget that makes the difference is under "'''Appearance'''" called "Vector classic typography (use only sans-serif in Vector skin)". I started using that when titles and section headers were changed by the software. I find that when it's not checked, not only is the lead section edit link high enough to clear the horizontal line, all the section header edit links appear visibly higher than when it's checked, as well. This looks like something that can and should be fixed by the software, doesn't it? &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>15:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::<s>You may want to talk to</s> [[User:Edokter|Edokter]], who is the writer of [[MediaWiki:Gadget-VectorClassic.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Gadget-righteditlinks.css]], and also the most recent editor of [[MediaWiki:Gadget-edittop.js]]. --[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]] ([[User talk:Pipetricker|talk]]) 20:03, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: You may not wish to ask users who retired in 2016.  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 20:18, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, I just noticed that. --[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]] ([[User talk:Pipetricker|talk]]) 20:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Edokter is an awesome person and editor. I too was unaware he'd retired. Seems to be doing much better and might return, though I doubt if this little charming challenge is enough to make that happen. Thank you, [[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]], for responding. I'd make an edit request to one or more of those MW gadget pages, but I haven't a clue what to ask. &nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine&nbsp;Ellsworth</span>]]'''''<small>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'r&nbsp;there</sup>]]&nbsp;</small>&nbsp;<small>01:28, 31 March 2018 (UTC)</small>

== Retrieval of revision timestamps ==

Given a revision number (ID) is it possible to get the date&time stamp of the revision? This would be for [[:Template:Copyvio-revdel]], see my post on its talk page just now. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|<sub>DESiegel Contribs</sub>]] 14:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

== [[:Template:Correct title]] on titles longer than 256 bytes ==

Is there a way to make it so we don't have to reproduce the entire article title atop the page? Right now the only way to make the template work right is to use the full title, and while this works fine for forbidden character titles it leads to articles like [[When the Pawn...]] or [[The Boy Bands Have Won]] having an unnecessarily gigantic mass of bold text at the top; accordingly, having a way to say (as a rough draft) something like "The correct article title is explained below, it exists at this title due to technical restrictions" instead of hitting readers in the face with a huge wall of text would be helpful. Before floating any kind of proposal, first I wanted to see if it was technically feasible to do so. [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>)]] 16:32, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:In that case, I just [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=When_the_Pawn...&diff=833452124&oldid=832955892&diffmode=source removed the hatnote] as unecessary; you can always put a custom {{t|hatnote}} at the top with your text or create another template that gives whatever text you want, dunno what you mean by "only way to make the template work right is to use the full title". Per COMMONNAME and [[WP:CONCISE]] in any case where there is a really long title we'd likely use a shorter title regardless of technical restrictions, so it's unecessary IMHO [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 17:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::As in if you don't have a parameter for the correct title it has some ugly red text, like what you see on the template page itself. I could see this being an issue on chemical articles too, though I haven't take a look around those yet.  [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>)]] 17:11, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
:::well it'd be easy to change {{t|correct title}} to show whatever text you want when no parameters are passed in; but I don't see the necessity. I do work on chemical articles and I don't think there's any with a problem; there's always a shorter name that people use. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 17:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
::::OK, makes sense. I'll try a couple different things and see if I generate anything useful. The value of that template is it categorizes pages which run into technical limits in the software, but I suppose it may not be necessary if the shorter titles are just as valid.  [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights|The Blade of the Northern Lights]] ([[User talk:The Blade of the Northern Lights|<span style="font-family: MS Mincho; color: black;">話して下さい</span>)]] 17:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

== Help with conditional expressions ==

How could I use the <nowiki>{{#ifexist}}</nowiki> expression but preclude results that are redirect pages? Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 00:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:See [[Module:Redirect#IsRedirect]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:38, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 01:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::As a special thank you {{u|PrimeHunter}}, I have a follow on request. I hadn't worked with modules unless they were embedded by others in an interface that I use, until today. I'm very novice and though I got it working, I am curious to know some "sure enough" better ways. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, will you look at the coding I came up with at {{tl|Self-reference tool}} and if it's awful, maybe edit one expression properly and I'll come around to the better way. And appreciate it very much. Of course, others are as welcome, if willing. If I managed to do it right, It'd be great to know cause I called myself trying. Thank you again.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 05:32, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I haven't examined your code but I found template interfaces to the module at {{tl|Ifexist not redirect}} and {{tl|Ifexist check redirect}}. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yes that is very useful as well. I certainly appreciate your help.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 10:27, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== Bot read / write "reasonable limits"? ==

That's more out of curiosity than anything else, but [[WP:PERFORMANCE]] does not list even orders of magnitude for maximum edits or maximum API read requests for bots. I understand the whole point of the page is that you should not worry about it until someone from IT complains, but how is one supposed to see that {{tq|it's plain something could cause drastic problems}}? I mean, I guess anything that increases the daily number of edits or API calls by less than 0.01% is probably OK, and more than 10% is probably not-OK-unless-there-is-a-good-reason, but I am pulling those numbers out of thin air, so...

(In my case, I was thinking about an extension of {{noping|Muninnbot}}'s functionality that would require up to 10k API revision history pulls per day, thought it was a huge number, checked the high-cost {{noping|SineBot}} and saw it makes >200 edits/day and presumably a much larger number of API read calls as it patrols recent changes, and decided not to worry; but hard numbers would be good.) [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 14:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:[[mw:API:Etiquette]] has a tad more info, but no hard numbers, says that as long as you're doing is sequentially you'll definitely be fine and that {{tq|If you are finding that reading via the API rather than directly reading from databases is impeding your client's performance, consider whether to put it into Wikimedia's Toolforge.}}; I assume API calls do not load servers more than say viewing the revision history manually and the number of times the revision history of various pages is viewed per day would be in the millions, so the bot would be negligible. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
:{{Re|Tigraan}} some guidance on dynamic adjustments related to load can be found in: [[mw:Manual:Maxlag_parameter]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 14:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
: The API etiquette and maxlag pages have some good advice, so +1 to that. Generally speaking I'll say two things...firstly: when in doubt, be conservative. If you think you're doing too much and your workload can afford to be slower, do so. And secondly: if your bot/script/etc is causing issues, we'll shut it down pretty quick ([[meta:User-Agent_policy|which is why a good user agent is always a good thing]]). [[User:😂|<span style="color:#444;font-weight:bold">FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:😂|<sup style="color:#c22">[u+1F602]</sup>]]&nbsp;<em style="font-size:10px;">17:19, 1 April 2018 (UTC)</em>

== RFC 8369 support ==

When will MediaWiki add support for [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8369 Unicode IPV6 addresses]? {{April fools}} '''[[User:Lojbanist|Lojbanist]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lojbanist|remove cattle from stage]]</sup> 17:57, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/13|Tech News: 2018-13]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/13|Translations]] are available.

'''Changes later this week'''
* Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T177432] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97631]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187808]
* [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles|TemplateStyles]] will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189834]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.27|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18&min=30&sec=0&year=2018&month=03&day=27 27 March at 18:30 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Editing team/Weekly triage meetings|how to join]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be one hour earlier than usual on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=16&min=00&sec=0&day=28&month=03&year=2018 28 March at 15:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Technical Operations/ICU announcement|more details]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189295]
* Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in [[mw:Wikimedia_Search_Platform/Serbian_Search_Update/sr|Serbian]] or [[mw:Wikimedia_Search_Platform/Serbian_Search_Update|English]].

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: So we still need to remove/fix these 1,453: [{{fullurl:Special:Search|search=insource:/%5B+%7C%5Did=%5B%22'%5D?toc%5B%22'+\n%5D/}} <nowiki>/[ |]id=["']?toc["' \n]?/</nowiki>] — [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] 00:24, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:: It's not that bad. Most of those are on tables which already have class="wikitable" applied. Only those without this class would need any changes. (By the way, tables on Wikipedia are a real mess. There is a sizeable minority of tables that lack class="wikitable" which should have it applied, or even worse, are using ugly and/or inaccessible custom styling.) — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 10:05, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::(ec){{replyto|Dispenser}} not necessarily. id=toc is valid and allowed for fake ToCs (for now), it just doesn't provide styling any longer. For styling you need to add class="toc" (if not already present). However when casually browsing similar results before we made that change, I concluded that the majority of the uses of id=toc is actually either incorrect copy paste work, predates templates and should really be replaced with one of the [[:Category:Wikipedia table of contents templates]], or was just decorative use of the color scheme (so not a Toc) for which there is class="toccolours". For instance, many of the search results show that id=toc is used on a table, but the proper ToC hasn't been a table for years and the styling for those tables was already broken before this change (broken margins and cellpadding). These should be replaced with our ToC templates, so that they can more easily be maintained, instead of be specific to a page. So there's quite a bit of manual evaluation and labor in that set unfortunately. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Oh and indeed a lot of them should be wikitable instead indeed. wikitable (earlier known as prettytable) was introduced after some of those tables were authored. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 10:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Will the default MediaWiki-generated TOC still have the <code>id="toc"</code> attribute? If not, templates like {{tlx|skip to talk}} will fail. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Redrose64}} yes they will. There is also no plan to change that. We just want to avoid using IDs for styling and this particular set of styles had been double defined (for both #toc and .toc) since 2005. It was time to finish the migration :) I note this particular change has been live since last thursday. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::<syntaxhighlight lang=css>/* Misuse of the Table of Contents ID */
#toc {
  outline: #ff4500 dashed 0.6em;
}
div#toc.toc[class="toc"], /* MW TOC */
div#toc.toc[class="toc plainlinks hlist"] { /* Template:Compact ToC */
  outline: none;
}
</syntaxhighlight> For anyone wanting to work on this, add the above code to [[Special:Mypage/common.css]] to add <span style="outline:#ff4500 dashed 0.1em">red outlines</span> when id="toc" is misused.  — [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] 02:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
*I am sceptical that "the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time" and "will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days" - last time, it took several weeks to shake out completely. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
**The ticket refers to 6 days as the expected period for en.wp. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 11:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== Edits to MediaWiki namespace take an unusually long time to save ==

This started happening maybe a few months ago. Whenever I make an edit to any MediaWiki namespace page, however simple it may be, it takes 5+ seconds to save, sometimes much longer. I thought this was a slow edit filter, but I've noticed the same problem on other wikis. I found [[phab:T158084]] but that was filed over a year ago, when for me the issue popped up late 2017 or early 2018. Has anyone else noticed this? <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 04:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Any way to get rid of "Your edit has been saved" box? (grrrrrrr) ==

As the subject header says, with an extra order of grrrr.&nbsp;[[User:Lingzhi|Lingzhi]]&nbsp;♦&nbsp;[[User talk:Lingzhi|(talk)]] 00:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:Try this in {{yourcss}}:
<syntaxhighlight lang="CSS">
.postedit { display: none; }
</syntaxhighlight>
:[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Some custom "undo" text on English Wikipedia has line breaks in the middle of words ==

Please see Phabricator T191167. Apparently English Wikipedia has ''chosen'' to have a line break within the word "changes" in the "This edit can be undone..." box! If this is so, can this choice be reviewed? Thank you[[User:Noyster|: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>]] [[User talk:Noyster|<span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> ]] 11:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC){{tracked|T191167}}
:{{ping|TheDJ}} ^ --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:53, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:For reference, the change here is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=832682382&oldid=831437874 this one], performed by TheDJ five days ago. Fixing it would be as simple as reverting the change, though the result CSS is technically malformed, since <code>break-word</code> isn't a valid value for the <code>word-break</code> style. To fix it for now on a per-user basis, you can put <code>.fmbox > tbody > tr > .mbox-text { word-break:normal !important}</code> on an new line in [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your personal CSS page]]. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ&nbsp;Keeper]]&nbsp;[[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 14:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

=== Sub-optimal splitting of word  ===

[[File:LobalC.PNG|500px|center]]
Notice from the above screenshot how Global contributions has been split into "G" on one line and "lobal contributions" on the other. It's not a good technique for certain. Can it be corrected? Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 14:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:Oh gawd, looks like this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&diff=832682382&oldid=831437874] definitely needs reversion, {{u|Writ Keeper}} willing to do it? [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:I didn't revert it fully; TheDJ made the change to keep long, unspaced edit summaries from breaking the box in page histories like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=831032872 this one] (the red box at the top). But I did change it to <code>fmbox</code> to <code>fmbox-warning</code>; this should at least keep the change from breaking edit notices, while keeping the fix for the warning ones. I'll look at getting it more specific, but for now, that should relieve most of the problems, at least with edit notices and the like. [[User:Writ Keeper|Writ&nbsp;Keeper]]&nbsp;[[User Talk: Writ Keeper|&#9863;]][[Special:Contributions/Writ_Keeper|&#9812;]] 15:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== "Related articles" ==

Who can tell me how the "related articles" section of a page in mobile view is populated? Is this something editors can control/influence, or is the "related articles" list generated by some algorithm? I'm seeing some really strange things listed there that seem to have no obvious relevance to the article in question. As an example I'm looking at the [[Tom (TV series)]] article, which has [[United States Senate election in South Carolina, 2014]] and [[Payload (EP)]] as related articles. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 15:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|28bytes}} See [[:mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:RelatedArticles#Can I manually add articles?]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
::The above link shows how to change it. By default the feature uses [[:mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Morelike]]. {{search link|morelike:Tom (TV series)}} currently has the chosen pages in the top-8. The result sometimes seems random. I guess one of the factors for [[United States Senate election in South Carolina, 2014]] is that the name Graham occurs many times like in [[Tom (TV series)]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Izno|PrimeHunter}} Thanks both, that's just the info I was looking for. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 16:25, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

==Is there an actual limit to the length of a customized sig? Big user wishes for big sig.==
Hello all. Bishzilla, always hospitable, has attempted to add a link to her [[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|pocket]] to her sig, as a standing invitation to little users to request residence there. The proposed sig looks like this, [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:red;">pocket</span>]]</b>, and like this in edit mode: <nowiki>[[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:red;">pocket</span>]]</b></nowiki> Is that a problem? Too big? I ask because when she attempted to paste it into  her preferences, there didn't seem to be room for it — it was cut off. For comparison, this is her current sig: [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]]. I can't find any explicit limitation in [[Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature]] — just a general implication that "a lot of code" is undesirable. So, does the version with the pocket have too much code? Or is it a problem of space in the Preferences signature field, which can possibly be overcome? Before you opine that even Bishzilla's regular sig is objectionably tacky and garish and takes up too much space, I'll mention that she never, or hardly ever, posts on article talkpages or in Wikipedia space. Normally only on the user talkpages of friends, who have never objected to her current sig, and would hopefully be pleased with the "pocket" version too. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC).
:The [[WP:SIGLEN|maximum length]] is 255 characters, way too short for such a big user. Maybe the developers could do something clever to provide a 'zilla-only exception! Incidentally, [[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] is good at finding shorter methods of achieving the same effect (or nearly the same effect...I noticed recently that my contribs link is no longer there). [[User:Rivertorch|<b style="color: #393;">Rivertorch</b>]]<small><small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Rivertorch|<span style="color: #F06;">FIRE</span>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Rivertorch|<span style="color: #06F">WATER</span>]]</sub></small></small> 18:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:Create a user subpage with the desired sig, say [[User:Bishzilla/sig.js]], and in the preferences field write <nowiki>{{subst:User:Bishzilla/sig.js}}</nowiki>. When you sign it will substitute the page as it is at that time—which means that if others can edit the page, they can change the sig. however putting it in a user .js file means that only admins can edit it. (Disclaimer: I have not fully tested all of this). [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 19:00, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:The maximum length in the field is 255 characters. You can still create a subpage such as [[User:Bishzilla/Sig]] and then add <code><nowiki>{{subst:User:Bishzilla/Sig}}</nowiki></code> and have as long a signature length as you want. However, for the most part, you're requested to remain inside or around the 255 character length signature. Given that this is a joke account, it might be a reasonable [[WP:IAR]] spot. That said, you should not use <code>&lt;font></code> per [[WP:SIG#Font tags]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 19:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|Bishzilla pocket]] no joke. Many cakes, winter sports, good company. Even cat flap! [[User:Rivertorch|<b style="color: #393;">Rivertorch</b>]]<small><small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Rivertorch|<span style="color: #F06;">FIRE</span>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Rivertorch|<span style="color: #06F">WATER</span>]]</sub></small></small> 19:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::It work — see? Thank you very much clever little users. [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:red;">pocket</span>]]</b> 21:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC).
:::[[WP:SIGLEN]] says: "If substitution of templates or another page is used, please be careful to verify that your signature does not violate the 255-character length limit when the templates are expanded, as the software will not do this automatically". And [[WP:SIG#NT]] says: "Substitution must not be used to circumvent the normal restrictions on signature content, including the use of images, obnoxious markup, or excessive length." [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Little Hunter consider Bishzilla's new "hospitality sig" contain images, obnoxious markup or ''excessive'' length? Really? Please consider point made above: sig will very rarely be used outside userspace. [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:#A7A0F2;">pocket</span>]]</b> 22:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC).
:::::As it stands, it's 317 bytes - 62 too many. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 09:00, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::: <nowiki>{{User:Bishzilla/sig.js}}</nowiki> - works without the subst, which avoids cluttering the edit window. I think IAR can then be invoked. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 14:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Transclusion is a bad idea because then many signatures could be changed after the fact.
:::::::Also, SIGLEN is a guideline, not a policy, and in this case the breach is reasonable. For a humorous (bite me, Bishzilla) account editing mostly in userspace, I think people are overreacting to this. In any case, VPT is not a proper venue. If someone thinks Bishzilla is being too naughty and has to be stopped, take it to a proper noticeboard. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 15:02, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::[[WP:SIG#NT]] uses the phrase ''forbidden'' for transclusions. I do agree that [[WP:IAR]] to subst the signature is pretty reasonable for a joke account. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 15:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::::[[WP:SIG#NT]] also says "Substitution must not be used to circumvent the normal restrictions on signature content, including ... [[WP:SIG#LENGTH|excessive length]]." --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:(I dislike customized signatures, they make it difficult to ping contributors in edit summaries and make messages more difficult to read.) [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 21:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::Hence uptight little Bishonen not customize hers. But for Bishzilla, is part of her... style. [''Gathers confidence. Didactically:''] Stylish style! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:#A7A0F2;">pocket</span>]]</b> 21:46, 25 March 2018 (UTC).
:::All of us could put that to the [[Special:MyPage|personal page]]. Just a thought. [[User:Gryllida|Gryllida]] ([[User talk:Gryllida|talk]]) 00:13, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps this can be done without transcluding. To begin with, you could save 24 characters by redirecting [[User:Bishzilla/P]] to [[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings]], and using the redirect in the signature. Also, perhaps you can cut a few characters by using a font with a shorter name than "comic sans ms". [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 13:58, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
: Thinking even further outside the box, you could register a backup account under shorter unregistered username like [[User:Bza]], and then redirect that to [[User:Bishzilla]] (and [[User talk:Bza]] to [[User talk:Bishzilla]]), and save 18 more characters. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you little user. Will consider it. Well, not the backup account — sounds very confusing — have enough socks as is! And "Bza" not very pretty name. But will consider the rest.  [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:125%;color:#0FF">''bishzilla''</b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;font-size:175%;"><small><small><small><sub>R</sub>OA</small>R</small>R!</small>!</i>]] <b>[[User:Bishzilla/Self-requested pocketings|<span style="color:#A7A0F2;">pocket</span>]]</b> 15:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC).
:::If [[User:Bishzilla]] were to make a post and sign it as if it were by [[User:Bza]], that would be [[WP:SIGFORGE]] whether or not Bza was registered. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/14|Tech News: 2018-14]] ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/14|Translations]] are available.

'''Recent changes'''
* [[m:Community Tech/Template wizard|Template Wizard]] script available for testing. It will show up as a puzzle-piece icon in the 2010 WikiEditor. You can click on the icon to insert a template.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=| Advanced item]] The Wikimedia Communities and Contributors survey is to be sent to participants around the world this week. If you are volunteer developer, and have contributed code to any pieces of MediaWiki, gadgets, or tools, [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_5ABs6WwrDHzAeLr?aud=DEV please take 20 to 40 minutes to complete the survey].

'''Problems'''
* MediaWiki deployment train has been rolled back to version <span dir=ltr>1.31.0-wmf.26</span> on week 13, due to a multiplication of lost connections during MySQL queries. Some of the recent changes may have not been applied. They will be deployed next week. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190960][https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/engineering/2018-March/000523.html][https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/engineering/2018-March/000524.html]
* The Notifications badge icons were overlapping other links. This has been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T183539]

'''Changes later this week'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.28|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 April. It will be on all wikis from 5 April ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] User subpages ending in <code dir=ltr>.json</code> will now be protected from other people editing them, like <code dir=ltr>.js</code> and <code dir=ltr>.css</code> pages already are. If you have a tool that stores static configuration, you can now use a subpage like <code>User:Example/mygadget.json</code> to do this without concerns. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76554]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy|Tidy will be replaced by RemexHtml]] on the next set of wikis. On April 4, we plan to turn off Tidy on all Wikiquotes (except frwikiquote) and Wikimedia chapters and user groups wikis. 23 wikis will have Tidy replaced this time. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-March/001821.html][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188881][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190726]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] [[mw:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] will transition to use [[mw:OOUI|OOUI]] starting April 4, and the rule editor will also be changed to a CodeEditor (ACE) similar to what is found on user JavaScript pages. The move to OOUI will continue over the next few weeks. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132284] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39192]
* In Special:Preferences, the preference "{{int:tog-watchlistreloadautomatically}}" is now only visible for users who have opt-out the New Filters for the Watchlist. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T186277]
* You can see names of individual abuse filters in [[Special:AbuseLog]]. Now if the name of an abuse filter contains some wikisyntax like links, it will not change to a link when displayed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141670]
* You can now search through filter patterns at [[Special:AbuseFilter]]. You may specify either a plain string or a [[:w:regular expression|regular expression]] and the matching filters will show a snippet of their pattern with the match highlighted. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87455]

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18&min=30&sec=0&year=2018&month=04&day=03 3 April at 18:30 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Editing team/Weekly triage meetings|how to join]].
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'''Future changes'''
* If you're using, creating or improving Lua modules, you can [[d:Wikidata:New convenience functions for Lua|give your feedback]] to help harmonizing the modules across wikis and add more useful functions.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] On April 11th, we plan to turn off Tidy on all wikis with less than 50 entries in all high priority linter categories. About 60 wikis will have Tidy replaced. Currently about 600 wikis have had Tidy replaced and we have another 300 wikis to go. We plan to finish this transition from Tidy to RemexHtml by end of June 2018. Please follow [[phab:T175706|T175706]] to monitor progress of [[mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy|Tidy replacement]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190731][https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-March/001821.html]

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:For anyone looking at the "less than 50 entries" item and wondering if this wiki is on the list:  Nope.  [[Special:LintErrors]] estimates that the English Wikipedia still has more than 5,000,000 high-priority errors to clean up.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 20:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} Please take a moment to talk with SSastry in the future. The current path is likely to be cleaning up the remaining main space pages, [[WT:Linter#ns0 error counts + other info from quarry queries on wiki replicas|which number around 9.7k]] (still a lot), and then turning Remex on. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not entirely sure what [[User:Izno|you]] think I should talk to him about.  You and I agree that this wiki still has more than fifty pages that contain high-priority errors, right?  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 20:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} {{tq|estimates that the English Wikipedia still has more than 5,000,000 high-priority errors to clean up.}} <- You are implying incorrectly that we need to work through 5M errors. We instead need to work through 10k errors. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for the explanation.  That's not what I meant, but I see that it would be very reasonable to interpret it that way.  
:::::While we have everyone else's attention:  If you don't like visibly broken pages, please go to [[Wikipedia talk:Linter]] and ask how you can help.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

== Lua error in Module:Hatnote_list at line 179 ==

This is fyi only. Works now, so no feedback needed if you're happy with it: 

'''{{Red|Lua error in Module:Hatnote_list at line 179: attempt to concatenate field 'extratext' (a nil value).}}'''
{{cot|bg=#FFF0A0|width=95%|title=script backtrace}}
Script error:
 Lua error in Module:Hatnote_list at line 179: attempt to concatenate field 'extratext' (a nil value).
 Backtrace:
 Module:Hatnote_list:179: in function "forSeeTableToString"
 Module:Other_uses:53: ?
 (tail call): ?
 mw.lua:511: ?
 [C]: ?
{{cob}}
What I did: went to the Wikipedia search box on an article page, and typed in 'Galliass' (sans quotes) and hit Return.<br />
Not repeatable, when I tried the same thing again. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 05:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{u|Mathglot}} apologies, made an error when making a change, not repeatable because I fixed it [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 05:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{u|Galobtter}} Love it when a problem goes away because it's real and has been fixed, rather than finding it was just [[Cosmic ray#Effect on electronics|some random event]].  Thanks! [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== infobox ==

Okay so this is just weird. im seeing the text {{subst:tfm|Infobox Muslim leader]} on the top of the page for [[Visakha]]. It appears to be attached to the infobox too, so i cant remove it without removing the infobox. Any idea how to fix this? I havent been able to find anything apparent in the source code that would cause this. [[User:Wikiman5676|Wikiman5676]] ([[User talk:Wikiman5676|talk]]) 06:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:scratch that. it appears to be glitch on the infobox for religoius infoboxes in general. im seeing it on the [[Anathapindika]] and [[Gautama Buddha]] page as well. Any1 know where to go to resolve this? I dont deal with too much internal wiki stuff. [[User:Wikiman5676|Wikiman5676]] ([[User talk:Wikiman5676|talk]]) 06:30, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::I put this on TeaHouse earlier, this may be a better place to put it. [[User:Wikiman5676|Wikiman5676]] ([[User talk:Wikiman5676|talk]]) 06:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_religious_biography&diff=833965533&oldid=833939945 Fixed]; there was a broken attempt at substituting this template (wrong bracket at the end of the template). {{ping|Pppery}} FYI. — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span> and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 06:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Can these two subtemplates be merged?<span id="Merger"></span> ==
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I am not quite sure on how to do this myself of asking here. Is it possible to merge {{t|Infobox religious building/color}} and {{t|Infobox deity/color}} somehow? [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 11:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Alert bell & Notice screen symbols. ==

Is my eyesight deceiving me? or have the ''alert bell'' & ''notice screen'' symbols been enlarged. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 01:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:If the developers for Wikipedia could settle on a design and stop changing them, that'd be great... -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 02:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
: It was likely part of [[:phab:T177432|Unify and refine WikimediaUI icon set]]. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 04:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:: Indeed, it was. Thanks, [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] for pointing to the right task. We've carefully defined [https://design.wikimedia.org/style-guide/visual-style_icons.html icon guidelines] that resulted in the overhauled icon set. It does enable us to consistently use the icons across products and also improve them to be better understandable in various Wikimedia communities. Among those changes was for example better right-to-left languages support while we tried to keep the changes as little disruptive as possible. —&thinsp;[[User:Volker E. (WMF)|Volker E. (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Volker E. (WMF)|talk]]) 06:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::: One day you'll settle on a set. -- '''[[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span>]]'''''[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<sup><span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span></sup>]]'' 07:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Ah thanks {{u|JJMC89}} - I came here to ask why my thanks box now resembles an Ipad but seems I got my answer lol, Just a suggestion but could we please stick to one bell and one box and simply one notification system ? (When I say one notification system I mean no updates to it). –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 17:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

== Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Spring 2018 ==

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== Spontaneous undeleting? ==

I just CSD-tagged [[Anthony P. Sgro]] and [[Frank Ippolito]] while patrolling, and they were both deleted. Both were recreated with what seemed to me to be the same material, although I can't actually check. They were recreated within minutes. Is this just a coincidence or is there a technical problem here allowing people to recover deleted articles? [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 18:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:What is probably happening is that the editor has the article open in an editing window.  An admin deletes the article and the editor then saves the edit and the article is recreated.  [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 19:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:: That makes sense. I was just surprised that I saw it happen twice in a row. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 19:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

==Hiding the latest revision==
{{tracked|T191472}} 

I've come across some probably unintended behaviour with revision deletion. I don't really have the phabricatoor skills to deal with it. It's long been known that you can't revision-delete the latest revision text. An error is displayed: "Revision visibility could not be updated: Error hiding the item ...: This is the current revision. It cannot be hidden." I always thought the username and edit summary ''could'' be deleted, as was mentioned in our description of the tool.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Revision_deletion&diff=prev&oldid=834174035] If you try to delete them there is no error displayed, and they disappear from the page history. However they are both still visible if you look at the <tt>oldid=</tt> revision. I think they should probably be hidden from that place, but if not an error should be displayed. You can see an example of this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zzuuzz/testpage1&oldid=782155783 here]. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 10:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:Just to make sure it wasn't the previous username and edit summary being shown (they were the same in the two edits in your example), I made a test at [[User:PrimeHunter3/sandbox]] where they were different. I got the same result as you reported. The page history and diff hide the username and edit summary. A permanent link [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PrimeHunter3/sandbox&oldid=834179946] to the latest revision shows them: "PrimeHunter2" and "remove a link". The edit is hidden at [[Special:Contributions/PrimeHunter2]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::That is no longer showing, I wonder if it was caching somehow.  I think I got it to reoccur on [https://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_new_page_2&oldid=89804 testwiki] can you see that one? — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I can currently see the username and edit summary on testwiki [//test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_new_page_2&oldid=89804] (Ans, ''<nowiki>[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}]]</nowiki>'') and the example [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zzuuzz/testpage1&oldid=782155783] by zzuuzz (💤, ''empty''). It has disappeared from my own example [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PrimeHunter3/sandbox&oldid=834179946] (PrimeHunter2, ''remove a link'') since my first post. <code>uselang=qqx</code> shows all three [//test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_new_page_2&oldid=89804&uselang=qqx][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zzuuzz/testpage1&oldid=782155783&uselang=qqx][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PrimeHunter3/sandbox&oldid=834179946&uselang=qqx] use [[MediaWiki:Revision-info-current]] but it's currently only called with <s>''(rev-deleted-user)''</s> and <s>''(rev-deleted-comment)''</s> on my example. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I get the same results. I can no longer see PrimeHunter's example as I did before, so something weird has happened in that case. I'm using an incognito browser so it's not a client cache issue. Purging and null edits seem to make no difference. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 13:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:[[phab:T191472]] created. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

== Ref error ==

Something in the page [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanzeel Akhtar]] is causing it to show up on [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]]. I can't seem to locate the problem--<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Auric|<span style="color: #FC3700;">'''Auric'''</span>]] [[User talk:Auric|<span style="color: #0C0F00;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 18:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:It was fixed in this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tanzeel_Akhtar&diff=834251217&oldid=833783756 edit].  [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 19:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks!--<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">[[User:Auric|<span style="color: #FC3700;">'''Auric'''</span>]] [[User talk:Auric|<span style="color: #0C0F00;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 22:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

==Assistance requested==
If anyone who is available would take a look at the problem noted here [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Odd archivebox]] it would be appreciated. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 23:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

==List of parameters of an infobox==
Is it possible to get a list of param of an infobox via template / module rather than listing it manually? [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 16:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Capankajsmilyo}} I'm not sure what you're trying to do. If you look at the template code it should have any supported parameters. If the template has a TemplateData section set up, there's a monthly report that will show all parameters used by instances of the template (including invalid/unsupported parameters). Here is that report for [https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+writer Infobox writer]. [[User:Plantdrew|Plantdrew]] ([[User talk:Plantdrew|talk]]) 18:55, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::I think the user is looking for the [[:meta:Community_Tech/Template_wizard|template wizard]] which is being worked on and is [[#Tech News: 2018-14|now in beta testing]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Ok, let me try to clarify. I want such a thing for 3 templates. {{t|testcase table}}, {{t|Parameter names example}} and [[Module:Check for unknown parameters]]. They each require listing of all the parameters (mostly) and when template codes change without giving effect to them they become difficult to maintain. If it's possible to give them a default setting in which they auto populate all the parameters defined in a template and such a setting can be customised to suppress some the parameters instead of including all, that would be really helpful. Thanks [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 02:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== New user script: [[User talk:The Transhumanist/SearchSuite.js|SearchSuite]] ==

Provides some menu items on Wikipedia's search results page to modify search results:
* change formatting to single-spaced list items
* sort
* etc.

It's a bit cludgy, and I'd like to make it more efficient.

Suggestions are welcome. Please post comments to its workshop page (link in heading).  &nbsp; &nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;  &nbsp;  10:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Transclusion in an indented collapsible template causing errors ==

Hey there! On my custom-made [[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews page]], where I showcase all my ''Did you know...'' and GA-class reviews, some errors, such as a "lint error" and other unspecified errors are brought up when I attempt to indent a collapsed table, which is holding a transclusion of my GA-Class reviews. This was discovered and brought up to me by {{User link|Anomalocaris}}, when he discovered the errors on my page through [[Special:LintErrors/multiline-html-table-in-list]] and {{Diff|User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|prev|834162842|subsequently removed the indents}}. This was later discussed on [[User talk:Anomalocaris#Userspace page edits|his talk page]], leading to me bringing this issue to the Village pump. I just wanted to ask a simple question; is it possible to transclude a GA Review and put it into anything that's collapsible (and collapsed by default), and indent it, without causing any problems? As noted on his talk page, I have seemed to have unconsciously done this correctly in the "''Did you know...'' reviews" section, but the same process doesn't seem to work in the "Good article reviews" section. What seems to be the thing I'm doing wrong on one section and doing right in the other? – <span style="color:#124385;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]]) 08:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|PhilipTerryGraham}} the wikicode : is not for indentation (or rather, it was not intended for indentation, we simply abuse it for that purpose on talk pages). They actually generate list items. Tables are not supposed to fit inside list elements, and this behaviour will soon stop working (that's why it adds to linterrors.). Instead, you should use CSS. I have given an example on your page. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|TheDJ}} I see! I saw what you did on the page, and recognise the changes made in the CSS style at the top of the wikitable. Thanks for educating me on this, I would definitely have never known otherwise! – <span style="color:#124385;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]]) 08:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|TheDJ}} You have solved the colon problem, but I believe [[User:PhilipTerryGraham|PhilipTerryGraham]]'s real issue is transcluding into a table something that does not belong in a table. Before and after your change, under the heading "Good article reviews", click on either "show" link, and "==GA Review==" displays just like that, but the equals signs are supposed to be wiki markup for headings. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 09:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Reply to|Anomalocaris}} I honestly don't mind that "<code><nowiki>==GA Review==</nowiki></code>". I understand why you'd want to draw attention to that, but it doesn't seem to be breaking anything, or at least not in a way that makes the page show up on some sort of "broken pages" list. All the problems I have been concerned about have been solved. The colon problem was the only problem I ever addressed, really. – <span style="color:#124385;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]]) 09:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::::The solution is easy however. Section headers need to start at the beginning of the line. Also when you transclude them into another page, into table syntax. So you just move where the transclusion occurs. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Noted. Thanks for the help, again! – <span style="color:#124385;">PhilipTerryGraham</span> ([[User talk:PhilipTerryGraham|talk]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Articles|articles]]&nbsp;<b>&middot;</b>&#32;[[User:PhilipTerryGraham/Reviews|reviews]]) 09:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Reply to|TheDJ}} That was easy, why didn't I think of that? Thanks! —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 10:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Temporary maintenance holdings ==
{{tracked|T132467}}{{tracked|T157670}}
{{cat|Temporary maintenance holdings}} - over 82,000 articles in this, and it's appearing for no reason in articles (see e.g. [[Darren Moore]]) - any idea why? [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:There was a notice somewhere that there would be some technical maintenance that would affect categories, but I don't remember where that was posted. [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 13:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:[[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] added the category to {{tl|Tooltip}} when nominating it at RfD.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Tooltip&diff=833419757&oldid=833399631]. I don't know why it was added but I have removed it. Maybe it was intended for noinclude tags. The template is used in 82689 pages. It will take time to propagate the edit and gradually clear the category. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:02, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::That might take ''months''. On 17 February 2018, I noticed that {{diff|Template:Short description|814926695|809169003|these edits}} still hadn't propagated through to all transcluding pages. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 15:53, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
:::It varies a lot. 16,000 pages have already been removed. New [[Special:TrackingCategories|tracking categories]] added automatically by MediaWiki can take ''years'' to populate. If the pages and any transcluded pages aren't edited to force an update then maybe they will never be parsed again and added to the new category. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
::::{{cat|Temporary maintenance holdings}} is down to 197 pages and none of those I examined used {{tl|Tooltip}}. The search {{search link|incategory:"Temporary maintenance holdings" hastemplate:Tooltip}} is empty but when the issue is link table updates, I wouldn't trust the search by itself. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{u|PrimeHunter}} didn't add it myself, was from the subst of RfD (which is designed to work with templates); having the category every time was done in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rfd&diff=805265598&oldid=731234988&diffmode=source], I fixed it so that [[Module:RfD]] does the categorization in temporary maintanece holdings only when not transcluded, and removed that from [[Template:RfD]] [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 12:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Why don't block templates display in mobile view? ==

Hi all, anybody know why block templates like {{tl|SockBlock}} don't display in mobile view? Seems like that would create a good deal of confusion for people who get blocked and have no idea what their next step is, and that could be why we get a lot of unblock requests sent through UTRS, which just wind up getting closed without resolution. Is this something that would have to be changed at the template level? Is this something the community prefers? Thanks, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 15:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
: Heya [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]]. Many moons ago there was a decision to not show certain templates that are formatted for desktop on the mobile web. Not an ideal situation. Currently the Readers web team is focusing on getting more of these templates to work on mobile. Here's [[phab:T159262|the big task for page issues templates]]. There's also work happening to make it so template creators/maintainers can style any template with custom CSS for better mobile support. This feature, [[mw:Help:TemplateStyles|TemplateStyles]], is being deployed to a few wikis as we speak with English Wikipedia being eventually included. [[User:CKoerner (WMF)|CKoerner (WMF)]] ([[User talk:CKoerner (WMF)|talk]]) 16:13, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|CKoerner (WMF)}} Thanks for the reply! [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Cyphoidbomb|CKoerner (WMF)}} - see this ticket that the Anti-Harassment Tools team is working on: [[phab:T165535]]. [[User:PEarley (WMF)|Patrick Earley (WMF)]] ([[User talk:PEarley (WMF)|talk]]) 16:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[Template:Iron Chef Gauntlet 1]] ==

Whenever I add this navbox to an article that already contains other navboxes (refer to any article ''in'' the navbox), it always added a few trailing lines of whitespace. I can't figure out why that's happening. '''<span style="color:red;">Erpert</span>''' <small><sup><span style="color:green;">[[User talk:Erpert|blah, blah, blah...]]</span></sup></small> 00:36, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:I have removed a line break from the template.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Iron_Chef_Gauntlet_1&diff=834306867&oldid=834305937] <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> should usually be on the same line as the last transcluded code. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:41, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:Also {{diff|Template:The Next Iron Chef|prev|834433942|this edit}}. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 18:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. :)

== Update to ICU Unicode library - category order problems are expected ==

:''English Wikipedia in particular, will take a few days. Possibly a week or a little more.''
Starting on April 9th we'll migrate the servers running the MediaWiki application servers to a new release of the ICU Unicode library ([[International Components for Unicode]]) (from version 52 to 57). This unblocks some future work on upgrading the servers to a new Operating System release and will also allow the use of improved internationalisation in the future (as wikis will then be able to use features introduced by the new ICU release such as new collation definitions, and allows us to use a more recent version of Unicode in MediaWiki).

This migration will cause some unavoidable temporary user-visible impact: '''The sorting of some category pages will be distorted''' – all pages which have been updated with the new software version will use the new sorting while untouched pages still use the old sorting. As such, we need to run a maintenance script to update the sorting for old entries.

The distortions may last from a few hours (on medium-sized wikis), up to a day (on the largest wikis), and a few days on English Wikipedia. The start-time will depend upon when the migration script reaches each wiki.

This affects a number of large wikis (including eight out of the ten biggest Wikipedias). The detailed list and the task for the technical implementation is at [[:phab:T189295]]. Thank you. [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 20:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Why is there no sizediff in deletedcontributions/alldeletedrevisions? ==

I've [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_163#Automated_access_to_deleted_content|finally managed]] to get access to deleted revisions via the API, but have now realised that one of the key bits of data that I'd like isn't there. Is there any reason that <code>sizediff</code> is in [[Special:Contributions]] and <code>action=query&list=usercontribs</code> but not in [[Special:DeletedContributions]] and <code>action=query&list=alldeletedrevisions</code>? It doesn't make much sense to me that the data is being calculated but then discarded when the contribs are deleted. It seems like I can extract it using <code>action=compare&prop=diffsize</code> but that means making one request per diff, rather than getting 500 in one query, as is possible from <code>action=query&list=usercontribs</code>. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 19:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:To what end would you be looking at that data? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::Analysing contribs of undisclosed paid editing sockfarms. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 20:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:::To answer the question, it's probable that no one thought analyzing deleted contribs for sizediff would be needed. That seems like a reasonable need. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:39, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes I realise it's a niche interest, especially as there are only ~2000 people who'd ever be able to see it. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 21:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:I imagine it's at least partially because in the [[mw:Manual:archive table|archive table]], the ar_parent_id field (from which the size differences are calculated) is only filled in for pages deleted in MediaWiki versions 1.13 and later (which as far as I can tell would have been used on Wikipedia starting in [[mw:Release notes/1.13|early-to-mid 2008]]. Reconstructing this data would not be easy due to pages that have been deleted more than once and [[phab:T20104|deleted revisions without revision ID numbers]]. The data does exist for later revisions; I don't think getting size differences out of it would be an easy task though. An easier way to find the size differences between each edit would be to undelete the affected pages, but that would leave its own paper trail. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 09:33, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Graham87}} Ah ok thanks that makes sense. I thought it was odd, looking more closely at Special:Undelete, that it uses timestamps but now I know. Wouldn't it be possible to fill in all the values for pre 1.13 with NaN or similar though. Technically I ''could'' undelete them, query them and undelete, but that's very inelegant. I have got them out now using <code>compare&prop=size</code> and manually calculating the diff so I guess I'll have to live with that. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 20:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Script not working right ==

So I finally managed to get some free time this afternoon, and when I logged on, [[User:Bardic Wizard/reading list sync.js|this script]] kept popping up errors. I know it is this one because the error code that comes up '''on every page load''' says this: 
<blockquote>Javascript Error
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki%7Cmediawiki.legacy.wikibits&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=1nv7gwr at line 52: Uncaught TypeError: fn is not a function</blockquote>
and this is the only script I have enabled that uses jQuery. 
How can I fix this, and what is the problem so I don't have this problem next time? [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 01:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:I get this problem on every computer I use, namely a Macbook running Safari, and an Acer Chromebook running Chrome. [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 01:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bardic_Wizard/common.js&diff=834357406&oldid=828673986 some] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABardic_Wizard%2Freading_list_sync.js&type=revision&diff=834354666&oldid=834308454 fixes] for you. Some of those examples you used are VERY old, so that don't work any longer. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Bardic Wizard}} Also, I see you are trying to create reading list functionality. Note that there is a ticket for that in [[phab:]], and that you can use the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ReadingLists#API experimental reading list apis] to achieve this, and have them synced with the mobile apps. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 09:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|TheDJ}} Thanks! I like my reading list maker, and since it actually works, I am very thankful because this has been a problem for a while. [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 13:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::One quick problem: Now even when it has been successful adding the page, it comes up with a “request failed” notification. I have checked, and it actually is editing it, but I could see why anyone casually using this might think it didn’t work. [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 13:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::::{{ping|TheDJ}} It works, thanks! [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 22:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

== Turn on mapframe? We’re ready if you are ==
{{see also|mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer#Getting started}}

In October 2017, English Wikipedia community members approved an [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 159#Should we ask for mapframe to be turned on?|RfC requesting implementation of mapframe]]—a feature that enables contributors to easily display dynamic maps within article pages.  At the time, there was some question about whether technical support for the maps service would be available long term. I’m writing now to say that those questions have been answered, and a small team will be assigned for routine maps maintenance. So, assuming the community still wants mapframe on enwiki, we’re ready to turn it on in April. Here’s some background on where things currently stand.

Over the last few months, the [[mw:Collaboration|Collaboration team]] has been working on a project called [[mw:Map_improvements_2018|Map Improvements 2018]], which will conclude at the end of June, 2018. The goals are twofold: 1) to ensure that Kartographer and the associated map systems are stable and can be easily maintained by the small team mentioned above; and 2) to address the winning 2017 Community Wishlist proposal [[metawiki:2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Miscellaneous/Kartographer_improvements|Kartographer Improvements]], fulfilling its two “main wishes” and as many of the other wishes as time allows. (The main wishes are [[phab:T112948|T112948]] “All map location names should be shown in the user's language”—a very challenging but fundamental upgrade; and [[phab:T180907|T180907]] “Add zoom level 19.”)

This [[phab:project/profile/2828/|list of approved tasks]] for the Map Improvements project shows the type of work that’s been prioritized. A lot of effort is going into getting the technology onto a stable footing. The new user-facing features being added come mostly from the Wishlist request and have been selected because they improve the usefulness of what one might call “locator” maps—maps that show location and basic geography—as opposed to more advanced annotation and interactive mapping features. (The philosophy behind that decision is explained on the [[mw:Map_improvements_2018|project page]], but the short version is that a more advanced service would require a lot of technical resources.)

Maps are a valuable form of visual data that can improve readers' understanding across a wide range of topics. [[mw:Maps#Milestones_and_Updates|Fifteen Wikipedias]] and all other wiki projects are using mapframe today to display maps on [https://people.wikimedia.org/~bearloga/reports/maps-usage.html#maps-usage-on-wikimedia-projects hundreds of thousands of pages]. Unless we hear from you that the consensus on adding mapframe to English Wikipedia has changed since last year’s RfC, we plan to move forward in April 2018. This is a timeframe that, should any unexpected issues arise, will enable the Collaboration team to deal with those concerns before rolling off the project in July 2018. So, if you foresee any issues, let us hear from you. Otherwise, happy mapping!  [[User:JMatazzoni (WMF)|JMatazzoni (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)|talk]]) 20:14, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:Some examples of what a mapframe looks like and what it can do (feel free to add to this list) --[[User:Roan Kattouw (WMF)|Roan Kattouw (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Roan Kattouw (WMF)|talk]]) 14:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:* [[:sv:Västkustbanan]]: a map of Sweden's west coast rail line (right below the infobox)
:* [[:sv:Landshövding (Sverige)#Sveriges landshövdingar]]: a map of Sweden's provinces (län); when you click each province it shows you who its governor (landshövding) is
:* [[:sv:Visby garnison#Visby]]: a map with numbered pins indicating various points of interest
:* [[:sv:Attentatet i Stockholm 2017]]: the path driven by the truck used in the 2017 Stockholm attack
: '''Support''', I think. I need to double check the details of mapframe, but from what I've encountered, e.g. [[Stalbridge]] with {{tl|OSM Location map}}, I think it'll be good. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 20:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Bellezzasolo}} Wow, I had not seen {{tl|OSM Location map}} before, that's a pretty impressive way to abuse <code><nowiki><maplink></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki><graph></nowiki></code> to emulate what <code><nowiki><mapframe></nowiki></code> would give you natively (those interested in the details, look [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?wpContextTitle=&wpInput=%7B%7BOSM+Location+map%0D%0A%7C+zoom+%3D+14%0D%0A%7C+coord+%3D+%7B%7Bcoord%7C50.9594%7C-2.3784%7D%7D%0D%0A%7C+width+%3D+500%0D%0A%7C+float+%3D+left%0D%0A%7C+caption+%3D+Map+of+Stalbridge%0D%0A%7D%7D&wpRemoveComments=1&wpEditToken=d44116fdc2b45f803f17400b4c7662385abcecbd%2B%5C&title=Special%3AExpandTemplates here]). The result looks pretty similar; compare the map on [[Stalbridge]] that you mentioned with the examples I posted up above. If and when mapframe is deployed here on English Wikipedia, the {{tl|OSM Location map}} template (or its uses) could probably be changed to use mapframe over time; the template has a lot of advanced features, most of which (not sure if all) are supported in mapframe too. However, I recommend using <code><nowiki><mapframe></nowiki></code> directly rather than through a template, because then people can visually edit the map (add markers etc) using VisualEditor. --[[User:Roan Kattouw (WMF)|Roan Kattouw (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Roan Kattouw (WMF)|talk]]) 14:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Roan Kattouw (WMF)}} I only encountered it by accident. Certainly, it has its limitations- a maximum of 21 marks being the most significant. I'd like to look at the potential for mapframe to be integrated into infoboxes in the future (like the current {{tl|Location map}}, I think there's a lot of potential. [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2230;</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">&#x2721;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 16:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
:Well whadda you know? Ping [[User:Tigraan]] with whom I has a related discussion recently in response to a help desk question. Seems surely they'd be interested in this. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 20:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea, I agree. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here to contact me</span>]]</sup> 07:39, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
** Yay, sounds good, thank you {{ping|JMatazzoni (WMF)|p=!}} [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|talk]]) 17:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
: '''Support''', I do not see any issues.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 22:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
: '''Support''', I think having mapframe is an important step. Also, &lt;mapframe> should support drawing the same way as &lt;graph> - there are already very popular templates like {{t|OSM_Location_map}} that demonstrates similar idea - where article-related information is drawn on top of the map. The current &lt;mapframe> doesn't allow nearly as much flexibility as what graph does, but the &lt;graph> does not allow interactive scrolling/zooming of the map. --[[User:Yurik|Yurik]] ([[User talk:Yurik|talk]]) 23:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and thanks for the hard work on this. Best, '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[User talk:L235#top|t]]&nbsp;'''·'''&#32; [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 21:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  waiting for it -- [[User:Naveenpf|naveenpf]] ([[User talk:Naveenpf|talk]]) 10:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Looks great. Thanks for the work! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 10:09, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks interesting - would be interesting if polygon data could be stored on Wikidata - might be especially useful for organism distribution maps - and getting rid of many hard-to-maintain and hard-to-query categories like "organisms of country/area X" . [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] ([[User talk:Shyamal|talk]]) 10:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - why not, while it doesn't screw up articles like some other tests did. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:L293D|<b style="color:#060">L293D</b>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:L293D#top|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/L293D|<b style="color:#000">✎</b>]])</span> 02:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  I'm not fond of a lot of technical proposals from WMF, since they're sometimes not well thought out, but since this is already being used a good deal on a bunch of projects, it's obviously working well enough for them.  Aside from the technical details, I can't imagine why not; zoomable and scrollable maps in articles are surely a good idea as long as we can get the technical stuff worked out.  [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 00:58, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
'''Looks like we're good to go.''' Thanks for all your input. With the support I see here, we'll plan to release mapframe to English Wikipedia as soon as we've released [[phab:T112948|T112948]], which  provides for the display of map labels in English instead of in the language of the territory mapped (as long as English labels are available in the underlying map data from OpenStreetMap). We expect to release that challenging but fundamental upgrade in the next few weeks, so an April release of mapframe looks to be on track. I'll keep you posted. If questions or issues arise in the meanwhile, please post them to the [[mw:Talk:Map_improvements_2018|Map Improvements 2018]] talk page. —[[User:JMatazzoni (WMF)|JMatazzoni (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JMatazzoni (WMF)|talk]]) 00:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

'''Discussion/Replies to the above:'''
* {{ping|Shyamal}} you can already place shared map data on Commons using [[mw:Help:Map_Data|Data namespace with .map]], and use it from any wiki. Or use .tab for data tables. Works in mapframe, lua, etc.
* {{ping|Roan Kattouw (WMF)}} I agree that it would be nicer to be able to edit things visually, but I seriously doubt it will be possible to match everything &lt;graph> can do on top of the leaflet map with a pure mapframe. I actually think it would be a good solution to allow graph to work on top of the mapframe, making it possible to draw arbitrary complex graphs with multpile data sources on top of a movable/zoomable map.
* {{ping|Bellezzasolo}} I suspect the limitiation is due to the template itself, not the graph underneath it. The graph allows any number of marks - which is actually less limiting than what mapframe. Mapframe only allows basic geometric shapes and pushpins, not arbitrary imagese/complex data-driven drawings, etc.
--[[User:Yurik|Yurik]] ([[User talk:Yurik|talk]]) 00:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Problems with Ukrainian  ==

[[Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks]]

In this article of a problem with Ukrainian. I have added Ukrainian, using a template of languages which were in article.
The Ukrainian translation has to be obligatory: because the znachushchy percent of a route passes through Ukraine 
and the Ukrainian city of Kiev was the center of Kievan Rus'. Through Kiev Dnieper (waterway of a route) flows
[[User:Bohdan Bondar|Bohdan Bondar]] ([[User talk:Bohdan Bondar|talk]]) 10:53, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure what your problem is here. But I do see a red error message in the lead section, which has:
::{{langx|uk|Шлях із варягів у греки, ''Shlyakh iz varyahiv u hreky''}}
:Please observe that [[:Category:Lang and lang-xx template errors|help]] link, there is advice there. Documentation for the template is at [[Template:lang-uk]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 11:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Copyvios tool with Google broken ==

The copyvios tool on labs (ie: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/) appears to have stopped working against a Google search. Attempting to do so just reports a 403 error, and has throughout most of the day. Any ideas? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:So it's not just me getting this. The exact message appearing is
 An error occurred while using the search engine (Google Error: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden). Try reloading the page. If the error persists, repeat the check without using the search engine.

:Running the check without the search engine still seems to work. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 04:21, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

::That's also being discussed at [[User_talk:The_Earwig#Copyvio detector not working]] (just a convenience link). [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 04:53, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

:::To follow-up from that conversation to this one, it seems to be related to a huge spike in request that put it over the daily query limit; appears to be fine now. ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 12:03, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Should we change the archiving interval for this village pump?<span id="Archiving_interval_for_this_village_pump?"></span> ==
<!-- id is for links to a former heading which was changed -->

Discussion on the talk page: ''[[WT:Village pump (technical)#Archiving interval for WP:VPT|WT:VPT#Archiving interval for WP:VPT]]''<br>
<small>--[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]] ([[User talk:Pipetricker|talk]]) 13:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)</small>

== Issues with marking pages for deletion ==

We at NPP have been having problems the past few days with marking pages for deletion. (See [[Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers]] for discussion) When applying certain tags, a message comes up saying "failed to apply tags the page". Does anyone know what's up with this? [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Help restoring old menu appearance ==

Some time in the past few weeks, the appearance of some dropdown menus changed.  I ''think'' this is related to the first item in the [[m:Tech/News/2018/13|March 26 Tech news]] and covered in [[phab:T97631]].  The upshot is that dropdown menus are larger and more in -line with the overall vector theme; examples are the dropdowns at [[Special:MovePage]] and when deleting.

I much prefer the compressed menus, and can't figure out how to undo this.  The old menus are there (awkwardly uneven: named {{code|wpNewTitleNs}} for move and with {{code|#wpDeleteReasonList}} id for delete) but are hidden by the addition of {{code|display: none}} in the css for {{code|.oo-ui-dropdownInputWidget select}}.  It should be trivial to show those, but I don't know how to hide the new menus; there are no {{code|id}}s, and (I think?) the {{code|.oo-ui-dropdownWidget}} class is too broad.  Any thoughts? ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 16:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

:Yep it's broken at least on Firefox. I didn't report it on Phab as I fear it would be declined. But I made a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-93fPcqFE), as you can see the font size is too big, you can't fully see all the characters there anymore. [[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 20:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Stryn}} I've commented at the older existing task, [[phab:T99567#4110486]], giving a concrete example (which always helps to make things clearer. Thanks!). {{ping|Amorymeltzer}} I use <code>.oo-ui-menuOptionWidget {padding: 0.2em 1em;}</code>, but do bear in mind that personal overrides might lead to unexpected breakages, elsewhere or in the future. [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 22:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks {{u|Quiddity (WMF)}}, that helps a bit; I can fiddle with font sizes from there.  As someone using the Modern skin, the Vector style menus are a bit surprising to see.  Is there a reason why the new one doesn't have an identifying {{code|id}}?  I used to hide oversight and office actions from delete menus, found that quite helpful.  I'll note the RevDel menu is still how it used to be. ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 01:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

:::Thanks, but it was not exactly my problem :) I meant that some characters are cutted off from the bottom. See screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/JyeuS8H.jpg?1. For example "g" and "[". [[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 07:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see! Filed as [[phab:T191650]]. [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 17:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== Formatting problem with [[template:Tree list]] ==

A week ago I pointed to a (future) problem with tree lists, but so far nobody has responded. Is there a CSS doctor in the house? Please comment at [[template talk:Tree list#Tree list will break]]. --[[user:bdijkstra|bdijkstra]] ([[user talk:bdijkstra|talk]]) 08:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Update: problem fixed! --[[user:bdijkstra|bdijkstra]] ([[user talk:bdijkstra|talk]]) 19:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

==Are [[WebCite]] links really necessary in video game articles?==
I have a problem.  Lately I've been working on the [[Wolfenstein: The New Order]] article, and I've been replacing broken [[WebCite]] archive links with those from the [[Wayback Machine]].  Suddenly, however, [[Special:Contributions/Rhain|Rhain]] has reverted my edit on many links, even though a few links archived are dead, and claimed that there was "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfenstein:_The_New_Order&diff=prev&oldid=834297793 Nothing wrong with previous links. WebCite is fine.]"  But I tried telling him that Google Chrome says the WebCite links are broken, and all I get is the message "This site cannot be reached", as indicated in [https://www.webcitation.org/6S295IJ9q?url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/staying-in/video-games/wolfenstein-new-order-5-things-3574854 this link].  But I feel worried.  If the WebCite links are broken when Rhain claims they are not, then is WebCite truly necessary?  I'm very confused. --[[User:Angeldeb82|Angeldeb82]] ([[User talk:Angeldeb82|talk]]) 01:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
: Have you considered the possibility that it is, in fact, something wrong with your system that's making the link seem broken? The example link you have there works for me in Firefox and Chromium. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 02:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
: Works for me too. Re: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfenstein%3A_The_New_Order&type=revision&diff=834325381&oldid=834304291 this edit], archive links are often added preemptively. I tend to agree they create a maintenance and clutter headache and should wait for the link to die before adding them, but not everyone agrees. It might even be a precondition for Good Article status that every cite have an archive link (not sure).  -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 04:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:GreenC|It]] is '''not''' a requirement for GA status; archiving isn't even mentioned in [[WP:GACR]].  The only thing that the actual criteria require is that it be possible for the reader to identify the source.  Even an incomplete and unformatted citation can be sufficient, since {{xt|Page 262 in Unusually Titled Book}} is enough to figure out what the source is.
::Having said that, there is a long history at GA of individual reviewers making up their own requirements and claiming (sometimes in perfectly good faith) that things outside of the criteria were actually a requirement.  ("No dead links, even though just removing them violates WP:CITE" was a popular made-up requirement a few years ago.)  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|WhatamIdoing}} Yes, I've had a run-in with three or four GA regulars who seem to have [[WP:OWN]] issues when it comes to the GAR process, such as the idea that only two people are permitted to comment in a GAR: the nominator and the person who picks it up from [[WP:GAC]]. I've even been told, in no uncertain terms, that I should "keep out of [their] way in future". This after they had asked for article changes to meet certain criteria that were simply not mentioned at [[WP:WIAGA]], and I asked them to justify that request. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:15, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
:Not really sure that is a technical question unless you are just on about the links not working for you but archived links are not required for a GA however they can be included with local consensus. [[User:Emir of Wikipedia|Emir of Wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Emir of Wikipedia|talk]]) 22:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] not working ==

I don't see the tools at the bottom of the textarea right now. I checked every browser and every old WikiEditor, and I still don't see it. Is there something wrong with [[MediaWiki:Edittools]] and [[MediaWiki:Edittools.js]]? --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Wait a minute. When logged-out, I can see the lower tools. When logged-in, I can't. I'm very positive it's not [[Special:MyPage/common.js|my common.js subpage]] because I still didn't see the tools when I reinserted and then re-deleted the script code. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 07:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

:You are probably running more scripts than just the ones in your common.js file.  See [[mw:Help:Locating broken scripts]].  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I have disabled the Toolbar for months, switching me to 2003 editor. I still have the same problem. I checked the F12 developer tools to test some pages, but I do not see error messages. Also, I disabled the gadgets in my Preferences settings and tested my scripts. I still don't see the lower tools, so I re-enabled some gadgets back. I used <code><nowiki>?debug=true</nowiki></code> to sample some pages, but I still can't find any relevant errors. Nonetheless, when I used <code><nowiki>?debug=true</nowiki></code> for a source page, like a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=new link] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=new?debug=true adding a new section], the URL containing the additional entry leads to the full source code of the whole venue page. I tried <code><nowiki>?safemode=1</nowiki></code>, resulting in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&section=new?safemode=1 this URL], but the problem still exists. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 22:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::The Edit tools section may have changed appearance recently as part of the OOUI work; if you have it set to "Insert" on some desktop computers, it may show as just a single line.  I'm using the the 2003 wikitext editor for this edit, and it's visible ''immediately'' underneath the editing window, above the Edit summary.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::: I can see the tools while I'm still logged out. I can't remember whether I set the option to "Insert" or "Wiki markup". I can see local lower tools at Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, and some other projects, and I also see tools at other non-English Wikipedia sites. Why can't I see the lower tool at English Wikipedia on my account? And I am using various browsers at Windows 10 on a public computer. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 23:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Do you have the same problem at other wikis (such as Commons or Meta)?  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 22:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: Mysteriously, no. I recently realize that the problem applies to only English Wikipedia. Indeed, I can still see local lower tools there. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 23:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: I opened up developer tools by clicking "Inspect" from context menu on Google Chrome v65, and I found that my account is missing the following that is found while logged-out: <code><nowiki>div id="editpage-specialchars" title="Click on the character or tag to insert it into the edit window"</nowiki></code>. I still don't know why "editpage-specialchars" is missing. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 23:34, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

== How long can an edit summary be? ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AHelp_desk&type=revision&diff=830655035&oldid=830650618 Look what I found!]— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#F80"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;•  21:47, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:About [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Turn_off_extended_edit_summaries|yea]] long. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 21:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
: Currently 1000 [[Unicode]] [[codepoint]]s (for English and most other languages that generally means "1000 characters"). The limit was raised here from 255 bytes on 2018-02-27, although the summary field in the "2010 editor" wasn't changed until 2018-03-01 and VE until the week after. There's [[phab:T188798|talk of lowering it to 500]]. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 23:07, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Anomie}} Ouch, you're still in 2017? That must be rough. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 01:38, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
::: Fixed. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 03:01, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Thank you. Someone needs to update [[Help:Edit summary]] and I don't feel confident that I would do it right.— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#F80"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;•  14:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3AEdit_summary&type=revision&diff=832020885&oldid=831592353 updated] that Help page. I'm not quite sure about the wording of some stuff, but I'll open a discussion on the Talk page about that. [[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 10:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:1000 characters can hold a large portion of spam.  Should we be reporting edit summaries such as {{diff|90 (number)|prev|832855010|this example}} for removal and, if so, where? [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 11:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::Those type of edit summaries should be removed and I did remove it.  <s>[[WP:AN]] would probably work to report them.</s>  [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 11:28, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::{{ec}}Yes, and indeed, long edit summaries present an additional vector for spam and copyright violations. If you're already there it's not too much work to revdel that as well, but it's definitely more work. ~  <span style="color:#F09">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 11:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::I struck my [[WP:AN]] suggestion above, the guidance is at [[WP:REVDELREQUEST]].  [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~&nbsp;GB&nbsp;fan]] 11:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

There was a ridiculously long one on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Grand_Theft_Auto_V.png&oldid=831522613 this rev] the other day. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 19:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

* yep, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hepatitis_B&diff=prev&oldid=835168332 here] is another long annoying one.  This longer edit note thing just blows for en-WP. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 01:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

== Customizable images in templates ==

Is there any way to customize the images in templates using CSS? I want a script that replaces the default brooms, hands, globes, arrows, etc. with something similar to the "Red Cats" theme that was formerly available for Firefox. '''[[User:Lojbanist|Lojbanist]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lojbanist|remove cattle from stage]]</sup> 03:39, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

== Could we not technically enforce 1 to 3RR; per page; in real time? ==

If after 3 reversions (unless tuned lower) an editor became automatically unable to edit ''that page alone'', for 24 hours, we could nearly end edit wars by making them technically impossible. Could something like this be done (technically)? Are there reasons for not doing so (technically)? Thank you.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 12:28, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
*How would you distinguish reversions of vandalism vs real edit warring..how would you even determine what is a reversion (one could just edit the article to revert, instead of using the marked undo and rollback ones, and then it'll become very difficult to figure out whether it is a revert) - people disagree what counts as a reversion etc etc [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 12:39, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
*It can be very difficult to have software determine what is a "reversion" as opposed to a "revision", as reversions are not necessarily declared as such. While an extension could determine if there were more then 3 "edits" to a page per user per time period, we don't really want to stop that. Even if these were declared, or a less perfect identifier (like the free form edit summary text) were used - the technical challenge is that a real-time edit filter would need to review an indeterminate number of prior edits to do the counting, and that would be a very slow process that would need to occur to every single edit made. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 13:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
* I think it would be too difficult for a computer program to properly enforce [[WP:3RRNO]]. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 13:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
*:I guess if editors trigger an edit using the revert button so many times in 24 hours you could make the "undo" button inoperable for 12 hours or whatever. Obviously you can't stop editors edit-warring if they are determined to do so but it would be interesting to see what sort of cooling effect (if any) inconveniencing the revert would have. If somebody is having to revert vandalism more than three times in 24 hours then they should be considering ANI or page protection anyway. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 14:32, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
* I don't see how this would really be helpful. Edit warring users can just edit the page to remove/add what they are fighting about, and the reversion of obvious vandalism would be slowed down by the inability to do a simple reversion. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:22, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
* I appreciate the replies. If I understand them correctly, this is a basic nonstarter as no consensus would ever form in its favor? Interestingly, I had imagined the technical implementation quite differently than most of the comments assume, yet the answer in each comment remains completely true. No matter how it gets conjured, now or in the future, it will never be put into practice. And I get that.--[[User:John Cline|John Cline]] ([[User talk:John Cline#Top|talk]]) 09:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
*:{{re|John Cline}} I think the technical issue are the major hurdle - but without strong use cases it is unlikely to attract the time and resources that would be needed to overcome them. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:30, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

== Mobile hlists ==
Hlists on mobile (en.m.wikipedia.org...) are not outputting any middle dot as on desktop version but empty space instead. Maybe [[MediaWiki:Mobile.css]] could be modified in order to fix this. This problem also happened before and used to be fixed.

Also, when desktop version is being viewed on a mobile device - there are no hlist separators between items at the very bottom of the page (Privacy policy About Wikipedia Disclaimers ...).

Btw, at the top of Village pump page (only mobile version), first and third items (Table of contents and End of page links) are not displayed and their bullets are displayed so there is •First discussion• •New post or something like that. --[[User:Obsuser|Obsuser]] ([[User talk:Obsuser|talk]]) 13:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
: {{re|Obsuser}} Notifying {{u|TheDJ}} and {{u|Jdlrobson}}, who participated in [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 158#Hlist bullets not shown in mobile|the previous VPT discussion about the hlist and hlist-separated CSS classes]]. The lack of dot separators in the Vector skin's footer list is normal and it probably doesn't need to be changed. [[User:Jc86035 (1)|Jc86035&#39;s alternate account]] ([[User talk:Jc86035 (1)|talk]]) 13:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

== Is this a bug?‎ ==

This diff looks weird to me. The link content says that it's a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_and_JCPOA&diff=next&oldid=83523844 diff] in [[ Trump and JCPOA]] while it takes me to somewhere else, i.e. [[ Woodford Reserve]]
Is this a bug? [[User:Saff V.|Saff V.]] ([[User talk:Saff V.|talk]]) 13:39, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Saff V.}} The <code>oldid=</code> parameter is probably missing a digit. The <code>title=</code> parameter is ignored for these links if a revision ID is included; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=83523844 this link] doesn't contain the page title, but the linked page displays the same content. [[User:Jc86035 (1)|Jc86035&#39;s alternate account]] ([[User talk:Jc86035 (1)|talk]]) 13:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trump_and_JCPOA&diff=next&oldid=835238449 Missing digit supplied.] – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:12, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

== Notifications for creation of userspace subpages? ==
{{tracked|T166924}}

Is there a way to get notified when someone other than you creates a subpage in your userspace? Apparently this has [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alvi_Z./Archive#31_January_2018|happened to me before]] and I had no idea until now. Thanks, [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 00:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:Hi {{re|Ansh666}} this is already in tracking as a feature request at [[phab:T166924]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::Cool, thanks! [[User:Ansh666|ansh]][[User talk:Ansh666|<span style="font-size:80%">''666''</span>]] 00:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Question re: Two Factor Authentication ==

I have Two-Factor Authentication ... a feature I normally support, but which now threatens to lock me out of my account.

My cell phone received an update; and it froze at the launch screen. I tried to troubleshoot it myself; then called my carrier via a landline. When a half dozen attempts all failed, finally gave in and did a factory reset on my phone - wiping out the two-factor authentication setup. Without the two-factor code, I can no longer log into my Wikipedia account on my phone's browser. So on my laptop I go to my profile to try to re-activate tw-factor authentication ... only to find the only menu option is to entirely disable it, but only IF I enter my two-factor code first.

In other words, I can no longer log into my account on a new device, and I cannot find a way to disable the "feature". Once my laptop crashes, needs replaced, or just decides it's time to re-verify my identity ... I'll likely lose access to my account entirely. 

Does anyone have a suggested work-around for this? Or is this account doomed to be lost? I'm hoping there's a solution I've overlooked - but I'm losing hope. Help? --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 03:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, I know there was at one time a hard-copy printed backup code for just this type of event ... I learned today that the backup codes I had for here and for other sites were apparently the victims of a cleaning spree for which I wasn't around. Okay, my fault for placing them in an accessible unmarked folder instead of locked in a non-existent wall-safe. But all the other sites where this impacts me allows for secondary methods such as a verified email address attached to the same account, or via an SMS and/or automated phone call system. From what I can find, unlike every other website where this issue impacts me, Wikipedia has no such backup methods - is that correct? --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 04:25, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Barek}} if you lost your authentication information, and your scratch codes your only option right now is to beg the developers. An example ticket someone else had is [[phab:T168779]].  This is not guaranteed, and you may need provide additional authentication information - possibly including personally identifiable information.  One method for next time is to create multiple authentication devices with the initial seed. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Xaosflux}} - thanks for the suggestion, I've created a ticket at [[phab:T191708]] ... hopefully a developer is willing to resolve this for me by disabling two-factor authentication on my account. I would hate to lose this account after all the history on it. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 20:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:Issue now resolved. Thank you again for the suggestion on the best venue for requesting assistance. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 00:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Barek}} good news - it is quite a hassle and a messy process, there is a lot of process improvement work being discussed to make that better but its going to take time (and WMF legal is involved). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:01, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Is there a way to know how many users are blocked because of their username? ==

Hi all

Is there some way to know how many users are blocked because of their username? If so is there a way to know how many of these were because the name was a name of an organisation?

A bit of background, I recently ran a gender gap event ([https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki4Women Wiki4Women]) where one of the new contributors who took part [[User:YEMEN EMBASSY THE HAGE]] was almost immediately blocked because of their username.

Their experience was:
* '''Them''': I would like to spend time to contribute my knowledge to Wikipedia
* '''Wikipedia''': Hi, welcome to Wikipedia, please sign up here, its easy
* '''Them''': Ok, thanks, that was easy
* '''Wikipedia''': No you did it wrong because of rules you likely didn't know existed, you have been permanently blocked from contributing, bye

This is really not ideal, given that they have shown in interest in Wikipedia and are likely knowledgeable and could also be a potential partner for Wikimedia, in terms of knowledge, content and potentially resources like event hosting, funding etc.

I think it is reasonable to assume this happened because they were unaware that they could not use the name of an organisation in their username. Currently [[Special:CreateAccount]] simply has a link that says 'help me chose' implying that there are better choices but all names are allowed, which is not true. 

Can I suggest that we try to understand how often this happens and to try to think of some simple ways to reduce this happening? E.g a very simplified list of username rules on the sign up page (possibly based on the most common blocking and other issues because of username choices).

Thanks

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 21:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|John Cummings}}, There's [[:Category:Blocked Wikipedia users]] if's of any help, In terms of providing a list I don't think that would help as it would be easy to pick something similiar and still end up blocked, I do agree it could be maybe sign-up/username friendly but how is the millionaire dollar question. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 21:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

:You've hit on a pet peeve of mine. I don't like our approach to usernames. I came up with an alternative proposal [[User:Sphilbrick/User_naming_convention_proposal|here]].

:It hasn't yet caught on. Maybe it's too complicated but in essence I'd like to have a system where temporary usernames can be auto generated which are guaranteed to pass username policy. If an editor decides they want to stick around and have a long-term presence, which is the minority of new editors, they can apply for a new name after some period of time and/or some number of edits, and it can be done after they have a chance to read the username policy. 

:While I think your goal of having simplified username rules is something to discuss, it almost inevitably will start with something simple and then gradually, it will become more complex until it matches the actual set of rules and long before then become too long to read in an initial sign up period.--[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#000E2F;padding:0 4px;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">S Philbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light">(Talk)</span>]] 23:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[WP:BADNAME]] lists some templates; they're usually subst'd, but you could search for it.
::[[User:Alexf]], you made the block.  Do you remember making this block?  The policy specifies only "Certain disruptive and offensive usernames (such as those containing contentious material about living persons, or those that are clearly abusive towards any race, religion or social groups)" as requiring immediate blocks, so blocking immediately was a judgment call.  What factors made you judge in favor of an immediate block instead of the other options outlined in the policy?  AFAICT, the only edits by the account were to write [[Draft:Ayesha Aror|five sentences about a potentially notable dead woman]].  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

==Another version of Main Page which I created==
I have created an alternative to the current main page [[User:FR30799386/Main Page|here]]. Where can I get consensus where there or not to add it to [[WP:main page alternatives]] page. Also despite being heavily discouraged in WP:VPI(On an earlier version) I would like to know what are the chances of it replacing the main page on a later date(I  agree that it still will need a lot of improvement before such a thing occurs)&nbsp;—&nbsp;'''[[User:Force Radical|F]][[User talk:Force Radical#top|R]][[Special:Contributions/FR30799386|<sup>+</sup>]]'''<!--{{subst:User:Force Radical/sign}}--> 09:53, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

:I have learned it won't be changed, too many people like the current version. See also [[Wikipedia:Main page redesign proposals]]. [[User:Stryn|Stryn]] ([[User talk:Stryn|talk]]) 18:44, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:I wish you learn something from the feedback [[WP:VPI#Main page header: redesign|you were given here]]. Also, this is wrong venue for proposal, [[WP:VPT]] is for ''technical matters''. So you need to do it at the  appropriate venue; [[WP:PROPS]]. –[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 07:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[Hampton Roads]] ==

There's a formatting error appearing in the infobox at [[Hampton Roads]], something to do with the rounding of the total area. I've had a play with it but I can't get it to resolve. Can someone sort it out? [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 03:43, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/835358808 here] and [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/835358722 here]. The <code>|area_km2</code> and <code>|area_mi2</code> parameters take only ''raw'' numbers and nothing more. Reference for these area values can only be added to dedicated <code>|area_footnotes</code> parameter. This is because, the "raw values" are used to do the calculation and autogenerate the value of the third <code>|total</code> parameter, which is not in the source code. So basically, anything beyond raw number will generate expression error. –[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 06:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]]. I wasn't even ''close'' to getting it myself. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 16:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Call css from user script? ==

So I'm starting a new user script, and I want to know how to add css to the script '''''without''''' adding a css file. Longer version: I'm attempting to write a script that gets the class of a page (the wikiproject assessment) and changes the wikipedia logo to the icon for it. (Think [[User:Zhaofeng Li/RetroLogo]], but responsive. [[User:Bardic Wizard|Bardic Wizard]] ([[User talk:Bardic Wizard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bardic_Wizard|'''''<span style="color:#fa39c4; background-color:#fff;">Happy Easter!</span>''''']]) 02:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:You can change the CSS of any DOM element with jQuery, for instance:
:<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">
$('.mw-wiki-logo').css('background-image', 'url(https://upload.wikimedia.org/...something...)')
</syntaxhighlight>
:If you just want to see the wikiproject assessment of an article when you browse to it, I highly recommend the [[Wikipedia:Metadata gadget]]. <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 05:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== AIV templates ping targets? ==
{{resolved|No changes needed. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 11:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)}}
I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=835533480 reported] an IP at [[WP:AIV]] using the standard {{tl|IPvandal}} template.  I then received an alert saying "Your mention of 121.220.60.89 was not sent because the user is anonymous".  Evidently the wiki software interpreted my AIV report as an attempt to ping the vandal.  Two questions:
# Can {{tl|IPvandal}} be tweaked so as to not ping the IP, to avoid this unnecessary alert?
# Does the corresponding template for registered users, {{tl|vandal}}, alert the vandal that they've been reported?  Seems counterproductive if it does.
[[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 09:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:I hope someone will give a clueful answer but I will give a dirty trick and a test. If you want to make sure that you do not ping someone, make your post but do not sign it. Then quickly edit again and add a signature. That should not cause a notification. The test follows:
:{{vandal|Adrian J. Hunter}}
:{{tl|vandal}} uses {{tl|noping}} so the above should not have notified you. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 10:13, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::And indeed it didn't!  (Not sure why I didn't think to test that myself using my own test account.)  Thanks {{U|Johnuniq}}.  Re {{tl|noping}} - ah, I see. Presumably adding that to {{tl|IPvandal}} would eliminate the unnecessary alerts.  Any reason not to do that?  Maybe with a comment in the wikicode or doc so future editors don't wonder why it's there. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 10:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{tl|noping}} seems to work correctly for IPs: {{noping|121.220.60.89}}. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 10:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{tl|vandal}} makes its own links so it's able to use {{tl|noping}} to avoid pings. {{tl|IPvandal}} currently calls {{tl|User-multi}} which calls [[Module:UserLinks]] which doesn't have a noping option. It would be possible but not with a small tweak to prevent failed ping alerts in {{tl|IPvandal}}. You only get the failed ping alert because you have enabled "Failed mention" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo]]. It's disabled by default so most users don't get such alerts. If we use noping in {{tl|IPvandal}} then the page using the template is not listed in [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User:121.220.60.89]] so other editors examining the IP address may overlook the report. I don't think we should use noping for IP's. If they actually did get pinged then I would support it but IP's cannot be pinged. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Failed mention – right, I was wondering why no-one else had raised this.  I must've enabled this option then forgotten about it.  I agree it wouldn't be worth disabling WhatLinksHere. Thanks PrimeHunter. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 11:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== "Lua error in Module:Navbar at line 66" ==
This is fixed in [[Module:Navbar]]. Pages still showing the error can be [[WP:PURGE|purged]]. Only report if purge does not work. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

=== Lua problem at [[Malaysian general election, 2018]] ===
Hi. I make some edits on [[Malaysian general election, 2018]] but a problem appears there. It reads: "'''Lua error in Module:Navbar at line 66: Tried to write global div.'''" Can anyone please solve this problem? Thanks. [[User:Aamuizz|Aamuizz]] ([[User talk:Aamuizz|talk]]) 13:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Aamuizz}} This has been reported at [[Module talk:Navbar]]. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

=== Lua error in article.  Any takers? ===
Hi good folk.  Not sure if this is where I should post this, but being bold! 
[[International Communist Party]] has shown a red error - for many versions, it seems. 
I'm hoping a cleverer editor than I am will fancy correcting it.

The error, in red, reads: 

'''"Lua error in Module:Navbar at line 66: Tried to write global div."'''.  

Thanks in advance; I'll see if I can learn from the fix.  [[User:Trafford09|Trafford09]] ([[User talk:Trafford09|talk]]) 13:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:I've made <code>div</code> into a <code>local</code>.  Don't know if that is 'the' fix but at least the module isn't failing with the big red error message.  [[User:Primefac|Primefac]]? You were the last editor.
:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I saw the same problem at a completely unrelated area [[Programmable Logic Controller]]. <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 13:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Computer security]] ===
Lua error in Module:Navbar at line 66: Tried to write global div.

This template is redirect to [[Template:Information security]] and used in [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Computer_security|articles]].

For example in [[Network security]].

Please fix this error. Thanks. [[User:Oleg3280|Oleg3280]] ([[User talk:Oleg3280|talk]]) 13:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== Videos do not seek anymore ==
{{tracked|T188878}}
Did Wikimedia just disable seeking in a video?

I noticed like 2 months ago or so that when I play a video (like that in [[The Sheik (film)#Cast]]), I can't seek the video. It's very annoying because there may be extremely long clips that I don't want to watch in full or that I want to repeat a part.

I was redirected here from [[:meta:Wikimedia Forum#Seeking in a video|Meta]]. <small>--[[User:Mahmudmasri|Mahmudmasri]] ([[User talk:Mahmudmasri|talk]]) 19:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)</small>
:It's also broken for me in all three tested browsers. This is [[phab:T188878]] from a month ago. I also get "TypeError: embedPlayer.pc is undefined". A patch by [[User:TheDJ|TheDJ]] is apparently waiting for review. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

::I think the way it is right now is fine because it reduces copying [[Special:Contributions/71.169.163.170|71.169.163.170]] ([[User talk:71.169.163.170|talk]]) 21:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

::: No idea what you mean about copying. <small>--[[User:Mahmudmasri|Mahmudmasri]] ([[User talk:Mahmudmasri|talk]]) 14:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)</small>

==Authority control should be like language links==
Hello, I think {{t|Authority control}} should appear below language links on the left side instead of appearing below every article. Also it should appear by default, instead of adding the template to every article. Can this be done? How? [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 19:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Capankajsmilyo}} By filing a feature request at [[phab:]], hoping that other language Wikipedias (such as [[:fr:|French]], [[:de:|German]] etc.) agree, and  then waiting several years for action. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 13:34, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[phab:T177721]] [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 14:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/15|Tech News: 2018-15]] ==

<section begin="technews-2018-W15"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks">
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/15|Translations]] are available.
 
'''Recent changes'''
*Some pages have templates that describe problems with that article. There is now more information for mobile readers and what is wrong with the article and how they could help fix it. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Projects/Mobile_Page_Issues#Updates_to_the_page_issue_modal]
*You can now thank users for many more actions than edits to a page. This was [[m:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Miscellaneous/Allow %27thanks%27 notification for a log entry|one of the top ten requests in the Wishlist Survey]] last year. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60485] 
* The sort order of categories will have errors for a short time starting Monday 9 April (UTC). We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a script to update the database. This will take between a few hours and a few days depending on wiki size. You can [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Technical Operations/ICU announcement|read more details]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T189295]
* Tag filter titles will now work better on wikis where the tag filter title is in a language that is written in another direction than the language of that wiki. This could for example be an English title (written from left to right) on a Hebrew or an Arabic wiki (written from right to left). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190718]

'''Problems'''
*The bookmark icon for saved filters on the recent changes page disappeared because of new icon changes. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T191366]
*For a week in March rollbacks got both the <code>rollback</code> and the <code>undo</code> tag on the recent changes page and other pages where you see tags. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190374]

'''Changes later this week'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] The [[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/wmf.29|new version]] of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 April. It will be on all wikis from 12 April ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.31/Roadmap|calendar]]).
* Patrolled edits now have three states instead of two. Recent changes filters are updated to show unpatrolled, autopatrolled and manually patrolled edits. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190408]

'''Meetings'''
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18&min=30&sec=0&year=2018&month=04&day=10 10 April at 18:30 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Editing team/Weekly triage meetings|how to join]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|Recurrent item]] [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|Advanced item]] You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=15&min=00&sec=0&day=11&month=04&year=2018 11 April at 15:00 (UTC)]. See [[mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting|how to join]].

'''Future changes'''
* The iOS and Android apps will get [[mw:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists|synced reading lists]] later in April.

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== Help with tables ==

What I'm looking for is a way to add a column of numbers to a table to rank all the rows, that would change automatically if a row is removed or added (so we don't have to renumber all the rows that are below the changed row).
Similar to the way # character will automatically number bullet points, it doesn't matter if you add/remove/swap entries, they are always in numerical order (a table with a column of # characters that do the same thing would be great). I've looked through the help;table guide and didn't find anything that would suit the article I want to modify. If anyone here has a solution, it would be appreciated. Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 02:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:You can put the data of the list in a Lua data module, then autogenerate the <s>module</s>table with lua code. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 07:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{u|TheDJ}} - The framistan is connected to the micronbobulator which drives the... whatsis now? Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I am not at all familiar with that kind of coding. Is there not any wiki-code that set up an automatic aligning rank column in a table? If not, and this Lua is the way to go, would you be able to add the coding to the table I want to modify? (I don't know what's involved in that, so if it's kind of an ordeal, I understand if you'd rather pass). Thanks for the reply. - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 08:31, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:::No, there is no such wikicode for tables. And it's unlikely to be created in the short future as a sustainable method to do so has not been identified (people tried). I don't have time to help write modules at this time, but maybe someone on [[WT:Lua]] can help. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 08:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Ok, I'll give that a try. Thanks again for the replies and the info. Cheers - <span style="text-shadow:#E05FFF 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">''[[User:Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]''</span> 08:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Analytics "pagecounts-ez" not generating  ==

The article viewership [https://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-ez/merged/2018/ data source hasn't been updated in April]. I posted this to the Analytics mailing list, [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2018-April/006292.html but haven't received a response after several days]. This is the data source that powers the [[WP:5000]] and from which the [[WP:Top25Report]] is derived, and we're already behind one of the weekly reports. [[User:West.andrew.g|West.andrew.g]] ([[User talk:West.andrew.g|talk]]) 14:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:On the 1st of april the whole dumps server migrated to new servers. I suspect that that is the cause. I think it might be [[phab:T189283]] and sent a mail on wikitech-l inquiring about it. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 14:36, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Page histories rendering weird in Opera ==

[[File:Page history rendering.png|thumb|right|VPT history]]
[[File:Page history rendering 2.png|thumb|right|User page history]]
I use the Opera web browser (yes, I know I'm weird) and the past few days I've been having trouble viewing page histories outside of the user space, and I was wondering if it was something with mediawiki or my browser (to my knowledge, I haven't changed anything.) I've uploaded a screenshot of how the page history looks when I view this page and also how the page history looks when I view a user page. Oddly enough, not all user pages look normal (my own looks the same as the VPT history), but the only pages where I see a normal history are user pages. It also doesn't seem to have anything to do with number of revisions, as I've had the issue with pages that only have one revision. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{replyto| TonyBallioni }} Might be a caching problem. Try to [[WP:BYPASS|clear your browser cache]]. —[[User:TheDJ|Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ]] ([[User talk:TheDJ|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheDJ|contribs]]) 07:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::Clearing the cache worked. Thanks. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== <nowiki>{{#statements:P18}}</nowiki> ==

Hi, Can someone explain what "<nowiki>{{#statements:P18}}</nowiki>" is please?, I've come across it twice acting as the infobox image (recent article being [[Kris Aquino]]) so now the curiosity's got the better of me, Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 02:39, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:  {{tlc|<nowiki />#statements}} gets the data from Wikidata. {{wdp|P18}} in this case. See [[:d:Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects#Parser function]]. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 04:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::Ahhhh right thanks {{u|JJMC89}} for kindly explaining, Thanks, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 15:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Move discussion related to proper use of the Template namespace ==

A move discussion is being held at [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Requested move 10 April 2018]] which may be of interest to editors following this page.  It relates to the [[Wikipedia:Did you know]] nomination process and the [[Wikipedia:Template namespace]] guideline. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]]  19:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Bizarre display with green text/black screen gadget ==

I have the " Use a black background with green text" gadget enabled in my preferences. For the last few days (possibly longer, I had been away from desktop access), it has displayed mainly as usual, but with a strip across the top of the page in grey. Today, vast swathes of every page display as green text on a grey background. Anyone know what is up? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 14:55, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:It works for me in Firefox and Vector. Try to [[WP:BYPASS|clear your cache]]. What is your browser and skin? Please give an example page and describe which parts have grey background. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::Duncan, I've had the exact same issue as well. <sup>(talk page stalker)</sup> '''[[User:Crash Underride|<b style="color:#008caf">Crash</b>]][[User talk:Crash_Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">Under</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Crash Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">ride</b>]]''' 16:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|PrimeHunter}} I followed your suggestion and it still appears as it was. [[:File:Example image for issue.png|Here]] is a screenshot of the issue I'm having. My browser is [[Firefox]] and the skin is [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space-fantasy/ Space Fantasy]. <sup>(talk page stalker)</sup> '''[[User:Crash Underride|<b style="color:#008caf">Crash</b>]][[User talk:Crash_Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">Under</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Crash Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">ride</b>]]''' 16:08, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::That's not your skin - that's a Firefox add-on, but it is likely to be the culprit. Your skin is set at {{myprefs|Appearance}}, first box (choice of: Vector, Cologne Blue, MinervaNeue, Modern, MonoBook, Timeless). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 16:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::(edit conflict) The correct link is [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/space_fantasy/ Space Fantasy]. I meant the Wikipedia skin at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] but does it help to disable Space Fantasy? [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css]] was edited today [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css&diff=835730893&oldid=786544177] by [[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] on request from [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]]. I have Firefox 59.0.2 and no problems. Does it work if you log out and click [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&action=edit&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css here]? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Well, I've tried each of the skins and they all do the same. But my current one is Monobook. My Firefox is also up-to-date. <sup>(talk page stalker)</sup> '''[[User:Crash Underride|<b style="color:#008caf">Crash</b>]][[User talk:Crash_Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">Under</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Crash Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">ride</b>]]''' 16:52, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::'''Update''' I switched from Monobook and it works fine. I think I figured out the issue. <sup>(talk page stalker)</sup> '''[[User:Crash Underride|<b style="color:#008caf">Crash</b>]][[User talk:Crash_Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">Under</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Crash Underride|<b style="color:#6000c6">ride</b>]]''' 16:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

::I use Monobook, Edge, Win10, and the problem is just the same as in [[:File:Example image for issue.png|Crash Underride's screenshot]]. Example pages would be this one, the front page, my watchlist, my contributions, and every article I have visited today. I have tried clearing cache, that makes no difference. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I have reverted the change for now. {{ping|Dispenser}} perhaps you could comment? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:58, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Thanks - a lot better! Now we're back to just the strip around the Golfball and across the top (where the talk/sandbox/preferences etc links are in Monobook) being grey. AS I said, not sure when that started happening, sometime in the last month. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 20:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|MSGJ}} Apparently [[Mediawiki:Monobook.css]] loads after  gadget CSS, overriding [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css]].  In this case, adding a light blue background to talk pages and white to articles.  I've {{diff|MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Blackskin.css/Sandbox|prev|835823747|added higher specificity CSS}} to address this.  — [[User:Dispenser|Dispenser]] 00:39, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

==Converting infobox writer to a wrapper==
I have made the sandbox and testcases and started a discussion at [[Template talk:Infobox writer]]. Comments and any other help is invited. Thanks [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 09:04, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== Problems with  OSM map overlay ==

Over the last few weeks- the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/wiwosm/osm-on-ol/commons-on-osm.php?zoom=16&lat=051.413275&lon=0000.570943 |commons-on-osm] overlay has stopped updating. for instance [[:File:Whitstable Harbour West Quay 8137.jpg]] was uploaded to Commons on 14th March and still is not visible on the OSM map overlay. 

When viewing the file on here (en:)- well it does click you over to Commons- then- using the link in the summary box ''<nowiki>Camera location 	51° 21′ 47.26″ N, 1° 01′ 32.65″ E Kartographer map based on OpenStreetMap. 	View this and other nearby images on: OpenStreetMap - Google Earth 	info</nowiki>''. I suppose technically this is a Commons tool- but it does affect us here. Any ideas?--[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 10:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== Why has reFill become so slipshod with the "publisher=" field? ==

I used to be a big user of RefLinks, and switched to reFill since that seems to be the go-to URL processor. I could've sworn it was better a month and some ago, but as of late the vast majority of the time I run reFill, I need to manually go in and figure out the "publisher=" field, even when using really established news sources like The Telegraph or New York Times.

Has something gone wonky with reFill? Why is it not filling out the publisher field? [[User:Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney|Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney]] ([[User talk:Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney|talk]]) 02:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:For periodicals, the publisher parameter should typically be left blank. The [[Template:Cite_news#Publisher|documentation for]] the {{tl|Cite news}} template says: {{tq|Do not use the publisher parameter for the name of a work (e.g. a book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, website). Not normally used for periodicals. ... Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher).}} – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, that part makes sense, it should go under "work=" or "newspaper=". But still the same question: why is reFill not filling it out? I'm getting some reFill mods where it gives the title and author, but the footnote itself gives zero indication what newspaper/magazine it's from. That seems like something important that the tool should strive to provide. [[User:Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney|Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney]] ([[User talk:Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney|talk]]) 09:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:::There is a somewhat controvertial option "Use the base domain name as work when this information cannot be parsed" that is more agressive about filling out the "work". It [[User_talk:Zhaofeng_Li/reFill/Archive_1#Old_concerns|defaulted to "on"]] for a while, but it was [[User_talk:Zhaofeng_Li/reFill/Archive_1#Work_values|later changed to default to "off"]]. If you feel the option should be turned back on by default, that discussion should probably go at [[User_talk:Zhaofeng_Li/reFill]]. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 18:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== NoScript blocks editing toolbar at top of articles in Firefox Android app ==
{{tracked|T192018}}
I thought it would be worth bringing to your attention that upon logging in, NoScript blocks the editing toolbar at the top of the article, making it impossible to edit the lede or the infobox. Oddly, though, the edit button remains visible for any subsequent sections of the article. Obviously, placing Wikipedia in the trusted zone (or logging out) restores functionality. I have not attempted to replicate this issue on the desktop version of Firefox, but I can do so if desired.

Incidentally, the only reason I discovered this glitch is that the article editor is utterly unusable in Chrome on Android. (Come to think of it, it's also unusable in the AdBlock browser, which is strange, considering that browser is simply a modified version of Firefox). Are there any plans to rectify the crippling incompatibilities that continue to plague the editor in Chrome? [[User:Nonstopdrivel|Nonstopdrivel]] ([[User talk:Nonstopdrivel|talk]]) 09:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Nonstopdrivel}} You appear to have installed the "Add an [edit] link for the [[wikipedia:Lead section|lead section]] [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|gadget]]. This gadget is built in Javascript. If you choose to browse or use Noscript without whitelisting this or related websites (possibly Commons), the script in question will not load. You should still be able to edit the top of the article by clicking the normal "Edit [article]" button. The links later in the article are {{em|not}} built in Javascript, which is why they are visible for you. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 13:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Izno}} Thank you for your help. I just checked my [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] page, and the checkbox for the "Add an [edit] link" for the [[wikipedia:Lead section|lead section]] gadget is ''not'' checked (not terribly surprising, since I didn't even know that Wikipedia had gadgets!). So that doesn't seem to be the issue. As I mentioned above, this is specific to the Firefox Android app. The link appears in other mobile browsers, and it appears in Firefox if I disable NoScript or whitelist Wikipedia. --[[User:Nonstopdrivel|Nonstopdrivel]] ([[User talk:Nonstopdrivel|talk]]) 21:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Huh. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

::::{{u|Nonstopdrivel}}  I have Firefox, but don't use an app, and don't use Android. I'm on Windows. There are just things I have to disable NoScript to do, and there is no getting around that.  The current version of NoScript is not as user friendly as it was before they revamped Firefox and NoScript.  So, if I find something is not working, I disable NoScript, do the edit I wanted, and re-enable NoScript.  It stinks, but I'm slowly using Chrome for certain things.  [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 23:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:It appears that non-Javascript editing was fixed last year for the rest of the article, but Javascript is still required to open the first section (and changing that will not be very easy).  See [[phab:T192018]].  In the meantime, Javascript is required for editing that section on the mobile view.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== Main Page modules & templates ==

Hello all. I'm currently working on moving the main page of the Simple English Wiktionary to the project namespace, as well as making the necessary adjustments (including removing the page title from the top of the page). What related templates and modules are needed for that task?

Apologies if I'm posting in the wrong place; I could not figure out if this belonged in technical or miscellaneous. [[User talk:Hiàn#top|hiàn]] 21:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:The English Wikipedia hides some things on [[Main Page]] with code in [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and other skin files. You can copy it to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and see whether it works for all skins of interest. Give the new page name in the code instead of <code>Main_Page</code>. Templates and modules depend on how the wiki makes the contents of the main page. I haven't examined that for your wiki. [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] tells the name of the main page to the interface. I suggest you start by copying the code but wait with changing [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] until the new page works as wanted. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[User talk:Hiàn|hiàn]], why do you want to do that?  [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 18:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::The little community over at simple.wikt agreed to it, I checked with the only active sysop and he agreed that the move should be done. The only issue was that no one knew what to do, so I took up the task. [[User talk:Hiàn#top|hiàn]] 23:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::::There has also been several proposals to place our Main Page outside mainspace: [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why is Main Page in the main namespace?]] Many Wikimedia wikis do it: [[wikidata:Q5296#sitelinks-wikipedia]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

==Infobox image cleansing==
I've asked it before, I am asking it again. Would it be possible to automate edits like [[Special:Diff/835874167|these]]. [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 08:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:While a bot could do something like that, why is it needed, especially in bulk?  There doesn't appear to be any change to the rendered page for readers. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::Well, I was trying to fix a few pages listed in maintenance category populated using [[Module:Check for unknown parameters]] which showed that thumb thing as error. It was fixed by the edit mentioned above. And this is just one of the instances of similar errors. [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 17:56, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Re|Capankajsmilyo}} OK so step 1, get a conversation (perhaps at [[Template talk:Infobox religious building]] if that's the template in need of cleanup) going to establish that this is useful.  Step 2, file it at [[Wikipedia:Bot requests]] and see if someone wants to pick it up. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 18:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::::The error is not limited to {{t|Infobox religious building}} but appears in multiple templates using the module check. I see two possible solutions, either automate this job or does not include such text as errors. Which one would be preferred and is technically possible / feasable? [[User:Capankajsmilyo|Capankajsmilyo]] ([[User talk:Capankajsmilyo|talk]]) 18:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::There are many more than two options, such as "fix the errors manually", "fix the errors with a script or AWB", or "work on something else, because this isn't a huge deal". The text in question is definitely an error, though, and error checking of this kind often turns up a variety of errors, vandalism, and other problems with templates. I would not recommend hiding the errors, i.e. pretending that they do not exist. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 04:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

== Wikipedia was temporarily down for Australia - why? ==
{{tracked|T191940}}
The outage time was roughly between 22:00 UTC to 23:36 UTC. However, I was able to access the website using a proxy in Tokyo during this time period.
This website [http://aussieoutages.com/status/wikipedia], is saying that I'm not the only one who had this problem either, there have been 134 reports of people having the same problem, during roughly the same time period, to that site.

So, what happened? I'm not watching this page, please ping me if you reply. [[User:QuietOwl|QuietOwl]] ([[User talk:QuietOwl|talk]]) 23:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:I experienced this too. Tested on many devices and used different connections. <b style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#18a">Anarchyte</span>]] <small>([[Special:Contribs/Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">work</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#0d5fad">talk</span>]])</small></b> 00:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::Me too. Like QuietOwl, I checked against the website, which told me that it was down for everyone.  [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 00:33, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Probably only down for Australia as everyone else was asleep and did not notice! Other language fy. Wikipedia was also down. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 00:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/20180410-Routing for the incident report.  [[User:Whatamidoing (WMF)|Whatamidoing (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)|talk]]) 20:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} The summary should say "A configuration change on '''routers'''" and not "outers". Sorry to be pedantic but I guess you don't want users to wonder whether there is hardware feature designed to out them. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:18, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|PrimeHunter}} I [//wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Incident_documentation/20180410-Routing&diff=1788266&oldid=1788190 fixed it]. You need an account to edit that site but anybody with a normal Wikimedia account can [[wikitech:Help:Create a Wikimedia developer account|create one]] there. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 04:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

==Category sorting==
I've got a weird category sorting problem I can't seem to figure out, and wanted to ask if anybody can assist. I created an article about Canadian writer [[Fernand Dorais]] about 10 minutes ago — but for some reason I can't seem to identify, even though I used the DEFAULTSORT template to specify the correct sortkey it seems to be acting completely randomly in different categories: in both {{cl|1928 births}} and {{cl|2003 deaths}} it does seem to be sorting him in his ''correct'' alphabetical spot in the D list, but in most other categories he's getting bumped all the way to the bottom of the D list ''below'' other writers he should be ''ahead'' of in alph order, and in {{cl|Canadian male novelists}} he's entirely failing to show up ''at all''. Can anybody look into this and figure out how to fix it? [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 23:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:It is possible that this is the resorting mentioned at [[#Tech News: 2018-15]]. Not entirely certain though since it's not obvious that they've started on the server with en.WP on it. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. That does sound like it's probably the culprit here, even if it's not 100 per cent certain yet — and I've already tried deleting the article and then restoring it just to see if that would fix the problem, and it didn't. So for the moment I guess I'll just accept that there's nothing to be done about it, and ask again if it's still missorted in about a week or so. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 00:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Bearcat|Izno}} Yes, that would be it. See also the reminder above at [[#Update to ICU Unicode library - category order problems are expected]] - It did start on Enwiki, and is currently expected to last for ~8 days. [[User:Quiddity (WMF)|Quiddity (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Quiddity (WMF)|talk]]) 15:48, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

=== Category:Songs by songwriter ===

There appear to be having a number of indexing problems at this category.
#The Cattoc takes me to the next letter, rather than the requested letter, i.e. if I select S it takes me to T.
#(previous page) (next page) working intermittently (probably after using cattoc only).
# Songs written by Roger Dumas appears after E in a new D column (seems to affect new categories only).
#As above, Songs written by Roger Dumas (had seen in D, but in wrong order).
::Note, These are two recently created cats.

These are examples, I have checked a couple of other categories which appear to have the same problem – which may only affect categories containing categories. Does that make sense?--[[User:Richhoncho|Richhoncho]] ([[User talk:Richhoncho|talk]]) 11:10, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:Category sorting is wacky while new software is deployed. See [[#Category sorting]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks, and I did look through what was here as well! Must have missed it. --[[User:Richhoncho|Richhoncho]] ([[User talk:Richhoncho|talk]]) 11:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

=== [[:Category:World Series-winning managers]] ===

I need help regarding a category I started about World Series-winning managers. It was nominated for deletion, but it was chosen to be kept. Now, however, when I try to add more names, I find that the category is not being properly alphabetized. I hope there's somebody here on Wikipedia that can help me fix this problem. I did try to fix it myself, but I was fighting a losing battle. If you can help me, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you very much. [[User:Mr. Brain|Mr. Brain]] ([[User talk:Mr. Brain|talk]])

I just came back to check on the category, and before I do anything else, I wanna thank whoever fixed the problem I was having with the alphabetization of the category of World Series-winning managers very much. I mean it from the bottom of my heart. [[User:Mr. Brain|Mr. Brain]] ([[User talk:Mr. Brain|talk]])

== Page Previews ==  
After positive results from our most recent A/B tests on Page Previews on German and English Wikipedias, the Readers web team are planning the next steps of feature rollout for the first half of April 2018. We have requested feedback on how Page Previews should behave for logged-in users.  There's a discussion happening over on [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Page_Previews|Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)]]. Yours, [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 20:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:'''Next Steps''' - Thanks for your participation in the discussion.  Since we haven’t heard any comments in the last few days, we've posted next steps for deployment based on the feedback we received so far. Let us know if you would like more time for discussion. Thanks! [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva (WMF)]] ([[User talk:OVasileva (WMF)|talk]]) 14:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[Template:Available]] conflicting with [[Template:Being deleted]]<span id="&#123;&#123;Tl2|Available&#125;&#125;_conflicting_with_&#123;&#123;Tl2|Being_deleted&#125;&#125;"></span> ==
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     They break the handy section link by the edit summary,
     because templates aren't interpreted in edit summaries.
     Write for example [[Template:Example]] or Template:Example instead.
     (Alternatively, <nowiki>{{example}}</nowiki> also works, but
     creates a section title that is hard to link to, since {{ and }}
     need to be encoded as &#123;&#123; and &#125;&#125; in wikilinks.)
-->
:<small>''(Section heading changed to remove template calls, see the comment in the wikitext. --[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]] ([[User talk:Pipetricker|talk]]) 12:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC))''</small>

<p>[[Special:Diff/836168056]] broke the <code>&lt;noinclude&gt;</code>s and wikitables in this one, but I couldn't restore it to the old version and make it work. Symptoms of this are seen at [[Talk:List of TCP and UDP port numbers]].</p><p>[[toollabs:templatecount]] says 107 transclusions, so it's fortunately not as widespread of an issue as I initially feared it to be. I'm not sure how to really solve this one though. [[Special:Contributions/84.250.17.211|84.250.17.211]] ([[User talk:84.250.17.211|talk]]) 03:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)</p>
* This is also, possibly, an [[User:Evad37/XFDcloser|XFDcloser]] bug with tag handling. [[Special:Contributions/84.250.17.211|84.250.17.211]] ([[User talk:84.250.17.211|talk]]) 03:16, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
* Related symptoms at [[Template:Table cell templates/doc]]. [[Special:Contributions/84.250.17.211|84.250.17.211]] ([[User talk:84.250.17.211|talk]]) 03:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
*: Fixed. {{tl|Available}} was a complete red herring -- the problem was actually with {{tl|contained}} and {{tl|bad}}, which is why you weren't able to fix it (you had the right idea).  [[User:Pppery|&#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|talk]]) 03:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

== Unable to edit Preferences ==
{{tracked|T192147}}
Not browser specific. The Save button is grayed out.  I've tried it in Firefox and Chrome.  Been going on since at least last week. Affects everything -  English Wikipedia, Commons, Wikisource, Media Wiki, Wikidata. Also applies to other languages. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 11:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:The Save button only works if there is an actual change in the preferences. So you need to first un/check a box first. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 11:38, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ec}} {{re|Maile66}} you have a lot of .js files, try preferences in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?safemode=1 safemode].  Note, the "save button" is responsive and only activates once you have changed something in the tab.  — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 11:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

::OK, it's a jumping through hoops on one item.  I was trying to change an entry under Muted users, and it would not let me save that (it used to).   But if I add a name, click or un-click another unrelated box, then it saves.  The extra step is to go back and revert the one box I had to click or un-click.  Never used to be like this, but I get it.  Thanks. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 11:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|Maile66}} thanks for that, you found a bug <u>changes to muted users (echo-pref-notifications-blacklist) do not activate the save button (saveprefs) in special:preferences</u>; someone will need to open a phab ticket on this - I don't have time right now but may be able to later today. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 12:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
::::The email blacklist "Prohibit these users from emailing me" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal]] has the same issue as "Do not display notifications from these users" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo]]. I will create a phab ticket. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I have created [[phab:T192147]]: "Changes to email blacklist or muted users do not activate Save button in Preferences". [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::Related note that gadgets, user scripts/CSS, etc. are not active at [[Special:Preferences]]. It effectively is already in safe mode :) <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 20:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

== [[Template:About]] falsely calls an article a redirect<span id="&#123;&#123;tlx|About&#125;&#125;_falsely_calls_an_article_a_redirect"></span> ==
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     They break the handy section link by the edit summary,
     because templates aren't interpreted in edit summaries.
     Write for example [[Template:Example]] or Template:Example instead.
     (Alternatively, <nowiki>{{example}}</nowiki> also works, but
     creates a section title that is hard to link to, since {{ and }}
     need to be encoded as &#123;&#123; and &#125;&#125; in wikilinks.)
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:<small>''(Section heading changed to remove template call, see the comment in the wikitext. --[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]] ([[User talk:Pipetricker|talk]]) 11:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC))''</small>
::[[User:Pipetricker|Pipetricker]]: Thank you, I will comply in the future. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 19:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
I just converted a former redirect, <s>&nbsp;''1945''&nbsp;</s> ''[[1945 (film)]]'', to an article, adding a hatnote using {{tlx|About}} to help users get to the target of the former redirect. Although the article is no longer a redirect, the hatnote says
:''This redirect is about the 2017 Hungarian film. For the upcoming Indian Tamil-Telugu bilingual period film, see [[Madai Thiranthu]].
Why does it say "redirect" instead of "article"? Will it fix itself automatically in time, or do I have to do something? —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 20:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:I do not see any problem. You should reload the page. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:26, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]: Thanks. I had repeatedly refreshed, and it didn't help. After your comment I refreshed again and it didn't help, so I did a null edit and that fixed it. I'm not sure what the problem was. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 20:30, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:::You mean [[1945 (film)]]. The template identifies the type of the already saved version of the page. When you first save with new content it uses the old content at the moment of saving. You can update it with a [[WP:PURGE|purge]]. A null edit or any edit also works. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:::: [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]]: Thanks, and sorry to [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]] or anyone else who didn't guess that I meant [[1945 (film)]]. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 21:36, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|Anomalocaris}} It looks like [[1945 (film)]] partially duplicates content at the already existing article [[1945 (2016 film)]]. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 11:42, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]]: Thank you. I have merged the content from [[1945 (film)|''1945'' (film)]] into [[1945 (2016 film)|''1945'' (2016 film)]], turned [[1945 (film)|''1945'' (film)]] into a disambiguation page (for now; I think it should be deleted), and modified [[1945 (disambiguation)]] to avoid linking to a disambiguation. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 19:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:Anomalocaris]] I've made [[1945 (film)]] into an incomplete disambiguation redirect back to [[1945 (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Bkonrad|older]] ≠ [[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 20:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]]: Thanks! —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 21:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

== User contrib search errors out ==

[https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?name=NeilN&page=Scunthorpe&server=enwiki&max= This] returns:
<pre>        Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/data/project/sigma/cherry/cherryhtml/app.py", line 33, in inner
    return func(*a, **kw)
  File "/data/project/sigma/cherry/cherryhtml/app.py", line 82, in usersearch_py
    return tpl.render(store=store)
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/site-packages/mako/template.py", line 445, in render
    return runtime._render(self, self.callable_, args, data)
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/site-packages/mako/runtime.py", line 829, in _render
    **_kwargs_for_callable(callable_, data))
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/site-packages/mako/runtime.py", line 864, in _render_context
    _exec_template(inherit, lclcontext, args=args, kwargs=kwargs)
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/site-packages/mako/runtime.py", line 890, in _exec_template
    callable_(context, *args, **kwargs)
  File "usersearch_query_mako", line 50, in render_body
  File "/mnt/nfs/labstore-secondary-tools-project/sigma/cherry/cherryhtml/usersearch.py", line 128, in fix_results
    yield self.contrib_line(args)
  File "/mnt/nfs/labstore-secondary-tools-project/sigma/cherry/cherryhtml/tool.py", line 102, in contrib_line
    stamp = ch_locale(store.lang, ts.strftime, [fmt])
  File "/mnt/nfs/labstore-secondary-tools-project/sigma/cherry/cherryhtml/localeshit.py", line 33, in ch_locale
    p.start()
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/multiprocessing/process.py", line 111, in start
    self._popen = Popen(self)
  File "/home/sigma/.local/lib/python3.3/multiprocessing/forking.py", line 91, in __init__
    sys.stderr.flush()
OSError: [Errno 116] Stale file handle</pre>
--[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 19:26, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:'''Endorse''' Edit summary search has stopped working[[User:Noyster|: <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>]] [[User talk:Noyster|<span style="color:seagreen"> (talk),</span> ]] 22:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)