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 | title       = Wikipedia Editors Very Mad About Jimmy Wales’ NFT of a Wikipedia Edit
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== Important to remember ==

...that sometimes the community ''does'' have valid complaints. Just not today.

Anyways, would it be a good idea to get rid of the list of roles mentioned on [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Legal_Fees_Assistance_Program Legal:Legal_Fees_Assistance_Program] on foundation.wikimedia? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 15:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, 100% definitely!  The WMF isn't perfect, I'm not perfect, the board isn't perfect.  Constructive work to improve things is always super welcome.
:I'm not sure what you mean about the list of roles, are you suggesting an edit to the page, or a change in policy?  I just read it for the first time in a long time, and it seems right to me.  For avoidance of doubt, the users in question in the ANI situation have qualified and the WMF is paying for their legal fees.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 17:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
::I think that the decision if the WMF will provide assistance has little to do with the roles (admin/arbcom/cu/whatever) a person has. Vandalfighters and others without advanced permissions can also easily end up in a situation where someone decides to sue. Listing those roles makes it seems as if only those people are eligible. "WMF decides" is already the policy, so I would propose editing the page (removing the list) to reflect that. It makes sense to assist a vandalfighter without advanced permissions who follows all the rules and posts the inconvenient truth based on reliable sources; and it also makes sense to not assist an admin who posts libel. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 19:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:::The page also says {{tq|In its sole discretion, WMF may determine that the Legal Fees Assistance Program may apply to users acting in an administrator, arbitrator, email response, or project governance function that is not among those specified in this document (listed above).}} as well. I would classify that fighting vandalism is a project governance function since it is a [[WP:RVAN|policy]] here. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 01:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Exactly. I am not proposing a change in policy; only changing the text to better reflect the existing policy. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 09:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

== Just finished a board meeting about the ANI case ==

I can't share anything other than my pride in the entire board and the staff.  Seriously.  You'd all be overjoyed if you could hear it.  (As ever, I only speak for myself as a Wikipedian who is passionate about neutrality, truth, privacy, and individual (human) rights.) [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 20:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

:<small>(if only they will; by they, I mean those wanting a blackout)</small> <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 20:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
::? wut?--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 20:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
:This makes me want to believe; I don't think "you'd all be overjoyed" comes from nowhere. But paraphrasing [[Special:Diff/1257495961|my earlier comment]] about this response,  the circumstances will compel the community to take drastic action. With the limited information the community has, it's a coin flip whether a "nightmare scenario" comes to pass—namely that PII is disclosed in any way, ANI is successful in getting content changed, or anything else that indicates to other organizations that suing editors can be effective. Until those 50/50 odds change, it's a choice between which is more dangerous: doing nothing as a nightmare scenario approaches or taking drastic action over a false alarm. Most will be more apprehensive of the former. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 20:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
::Coin flip and 50/50 mean there's an equal chance, not that we don't know what the chances are. There may in reality be a 1% or even 0% chance of one of two outcomes. The fact we don't know doesn't make the chances equal. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 20:58, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:::My point is that we have imperfect information and ''can't'' know that "true" probability. Since the evidence for each option occurring is ''roughly'' equal, the community is going to go off of [[subjective probability]] and consider both of the options about equally likely. All of the discussion and frantic calls for action are a consequence of that. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 21:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Let's make an estimate of this probability by making a poll where users say which scenario will happen, in their opinion. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 23:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Oh please let's not lol... [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 00:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::The evidence for each option is nowhere near roughly equal because we have no idea what real evidence there actually is. There's a lot of heat. That's not evidence. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 00:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but Valereee, none of that obviates the core of TBUA's argument.  They clearly understand (and agree with) what you are saying about the [[knightian uncertainty]] involved here.  In fact, it is a cornerstone of their point.  They are saying that, plugging that uncertainty into the overall analysis of what is the safest course of action here (both in terms of upholding the movement's values and protecting both the project's overall future and the immediate safety and well-being of these volunteers), they believe non-disclosure (and taking the very likely consequences of default in that suit, including both a large default judgment and a fast track towards regulatory reclassification and/or blocking of the site in India) is the lesser of two evils. In short, I think you are directing your efforts to the side of their point, not addressing it.
:::::Besides, if you want to talk about the actual odds, based on what we actually know, we do have several repeated, consistent indicators from the in-court representations made by WMF's counsel in relation to this case that in fact they have already agreed to divulge the information to the court (which, make no mistake, if true would in this case make it all but 100% certain that ANI will have that information sooner or later.)  On the other side of this evidence for trying to divine the "true probability" you refer to, we have Jimmy saying "Trust me, it's going to be alright." but while being unwilling or unable to say why it will be so, or even what "alright" even means in this situation--where it very easily could mean "Yes the information is going to be divulged, but the Board just doesn't see that as the end of the world in the greater context here, and neither do I."  
:::::Now different community members are free to (and will) weigh that assurance (worryingly vague but coming from probably the most respected figure in the Wikimedia movement, and one certainly on the other side of our [[information asymmetry|informational asymmetry]] here) vs. the in-court statements differently.  My mixed feelings on that subject can be found [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/2024_Wikipedia_blackout#Note_from_Jimbo|here]].  But TBUA's point (and their resulting position) on what the appropriate [[risk treatment]] of this situation is, in light of the knightian uncertainty here, is perfectly cogent and valid.  So are the positions of those who have enough faith in Jimmy to trust his assurances in light of his track record and the degree of information he has access to here that the community at large does not.  

:::::But, speaking for myself, the longer this goes on, and the more we learn, the more I worry that Jimmy's notion of an 'acceptable outcome' to this situation is significantly different from mine, and that of the rest of the community that overwhelmingly wants no disclosure of PII to the court in this case.  Believe me, I'm crossing my fingers to be wrong about that and to have an outcome where I have to come back to this page to say "I'm sorry I couldn't trust you more completely on this one, but phew is that a relief!" But my hope in that outcome is quite diminished at this moment in time, if I am honest. And part of that is because, whatever his possibly valid reasons, the ambiguity about just what he is trying to assure us of is clearly and intentionally designed into his comments on this matter. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color:#19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color:#66c0fd">n</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b>]][[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 19:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I kind of feel like "You'd all be overjoyed" isn't ambiguous. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 23:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Don't get me wrong, I'm really, really pulling for that interpretation to to bear out. It sure ''seems'' to be indicating a best case scenario outcome on the issue the community is most anxious about.  I'm just not prepared to assume it yet, and I understand why many are still inclined to urge for proactive action until we know for sure. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color:#19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color:#66c0fd">n</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b>]][[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 23:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:From my interpretation of the entire suit, WMF is only using these editors(especially the one living in india) as pawns to fight this case, so they can preserve their intermediary status in India (because under India's draconian IT laws, Wikipedia can be considered a publisher). If those editors win by proving how everything that ANI has problem with is in fact factual and not defamatory then it's good for everyone involved. If not, WMF loses and has to pay the damages( 200k $ is a mere pocket change for it anyway) or worse, cease all operations in India because the court will consider it a publisher of all the content on it. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  01:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::+ Also cases in india take a long time to reach a conclusion. This case may even go for a decade, that buys WMF plenty of time to stay in india and claim to be an intermediary. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  04:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Hako9}} Is my inference correct? - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  04:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It could be a year or two, or more, if it goes to appeal in SC, definitely not decades. Don't quote me on that — [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 01:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::By SC, I presume the [[Supreme Court of India]]; isn't there anything between that and the Delhi High Court? Only in extraordinary cases that may affect all of India, or something akin to the [[SCOTUS]]? <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 02:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::The Supreme Court has discretionary certiorari power over the state High Courts, but as in most other systems descended of the common law model, it will only take up cases concerning certain enumerated matters and those pertaining to fundamental constitutional rights.  And it will only hear a small fraction of the cases it is entitled to entertain and which it is petitioned to take. I don't know the exact figure when it comes to the Delhi High Court (which has a bit of an aggressive track record in rulings related to defamation in recent years) but suffice it to say, it's certainly quite possible the Supreme Court will not take up this case om appeal. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color:#19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color:#66c0fd">n</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b>]][[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 08:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::<s>[https://dhcappl.nic.in/dhcorderportal/GetOrder.do?ID=smp/2024/724909941731938714546_33176_5242024.pdf] Summons have been issued and emails have been handed over to the Delhi court. Now</s> with enough bribes to the right people, ANI will get it's hands on it. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  02:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::{{tq|and emails have been handed over to the Delhi court}}. Can you please quote the part of the document that says this? I couldn't find it. My read of that document is that WMF served paperwork to the 3 editors on the court's behalf, without disclosing any PII to the court. I could be mistaken of course, so feel free to help me interpret this. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 02:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::: You are correct, I misread the order. Assuming that summons were issued on 14 November [https://scroll.in/latest/1075651/delhi-high-court-issues-summonses-to-wikipedia-editors-in-ani-defamation-case] , WMF still has 2 more days to disclose the details (see where the consent order states :{{tq|(b) The Appellant shall file an affidavit of service in accordance with Chapter VI, Rule 17 of the Delhi High Court (Original Side) Rules, 2018 in sealed cover disclosing all the basic subscriber details of Respondent No. 2-4 available with it, along with the proof of service of summons by email within 7 days of service of summons}}). - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  02:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Thus time to appeal the order. '''[[User talk:Ravensfire|<span style="color: darkred;">Ravensfire</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Ravensfire|talk]]) 05:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Actually, they have signed this consent order, can't exactly appeal against what they have agreed to do. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])  05:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

== Potential move from the US ==

Hi Jimbo,

There is a slight chance you remember me from the WM mailing list, on which I was quite active nearly 20 years ago. Anyway, I found a reason to bother you again.

The recent electoral victory of Annoying Orange plunges the United States into a sea of uncertainty. He has on numerous occasions proposed or suggested dictatorial policies. Even if he does not manage to realize these plan, utter chaos is likely to be ahead. Many liberties are at stake, including those that safeguard Wikipedia's neutrality, veracity, and accessibility for everyone.

As we have seen recently in India and several times before elsewhere, countries that were formerly considered 'free' can descend into authoritarianism very quickly. No checks and balances are to be trusted if those in power purport to act with the support of 'the people', whoever that may be. In a few years, the US may no longer be a safe haven for the either WMF as a legal entity, or for the physical servers containing the information.

I would therefore like to know whether the boards has been considering a move out of the United States. Naturally, no country is entirely free of this vile brand of populism, but some countries seem relatively safe. These include Canada and Spain. A major brain drain from the United States to Canada is to be expected anyway, so you can no doubt follow some of you acquaintances.

I know I am probably not the first person suggesting this to you, but since I couldn't find this suggestion here or anywhere else, I felt compelled to make it. Just to be sure: I am a veteran Wikipedian, so I know that I normally should speak to someone else for issues concerning Wikipedia. For ''offline'' threats to the very existence of Wikipedia, however, I make an exception. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach]] ([[User talk:Steinbach|talk]]) 20:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Steinbach}} Well there's a similar thread [[Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)#Will you be moving operations overseas?|at the WMF village pump section]]. [[User:Graham87|Graham87]] ([[User talk:Graham87|talk]]) 00:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:We will obviously do whatever is needed to keep Wikipedia safe, but I'm not that concerned about the US.  The First Amendment is still very strong, and there seems to be no wavering in support for it from the justices that Trump supported.  There are other elements of public policy about which I do have some concerns, particularly around Section 230 which is pretty crucial for people's ability to post openly on the Internet without premoderation, etc.  But even there, I would expect any modifications would tend to be somewhat narrowly targetted.  (I'd be opposed to that, but my point is that it might or might not be existential for us depending on the details.)--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 11:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::Speaking of that Section, this news from Fortune: ''Trump’s pick for FCC chair wants to eliminate the law shielding social media companies from legal consequences for posts on their platforms'' - [https://fortune.com/2024/11/19/trump-fcc-pick-repeal-section-230-meta-facebook-instagram-tiktok-x-youtube/ link to article]. Not surprising to me. They might finally get their way, ''if'' they may really will it. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 12:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Mzoli's]] ==
[[Mzoli's]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mzoli's/1 |reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:This isn't a personal thing on him, right? <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 14:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::What? Anyone can GAR any GA if they feel it no longer meets the criteria. [[User:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''E'''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''F'''</span>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''5'''</span>]]</sup> 14:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::In this case I notified Jimbo as the article's original creator. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 14:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::<small>Just in case, given the timing of it...</small> <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 14:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well… that's fair. Either way, Airship is a trusted member of the community, I wouldn't expect them to have a "vendetta" against Jimbo pertaining to a GAR. [[User:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''E'''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''F'''</span>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''5'''</span>]]</sup> 14:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry to disappoint, but I must reveal that I have sworn an oath of revenge against Jimbo and will pursue this vendetta ''by any means necessary'', GAR notifications included. Watch this space, Mr Wales. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 17:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I... ''may'' have burst out laughing because of that. [[User:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''E'''</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''F'''</span>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/EF5|<span style="color:#A188FC;">'''5'''</span>]]</sup> 17:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I ''definitely'' did.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 09:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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== Recommendation for Image ==

I recommend you take a new picture of yourself to replace the image of you in 2019 on your user page and your Wikipedia one. Thinking about it, 5 years feels like a long time ago, and it would be great to replace it with one that would reflect your recent appearance rather than one from half a decade ago. [[User:Wcamp9|Wcamp9]] ([[User talk:Wcamp9|talk]]) 22:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:I vote for [[:File:Jimmy Wales beim WMCH Birthday singing.JPG]]. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 22:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Or this one? [[File:Jimmy Wales in New York City March 2023 blurred cropped.jpg|thumb|Jimmy Wales in New York City March 2023 blurred cropped]] <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 22:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::That one's nice.  I just looked in the mirror and it seems pretty accurate!--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] ([[User talk:Jimbo Wales#top|talk]]) 09:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

== Unblock ==

Please unblock me for 7 days so I can participate in the Asia Month initiative. [[User:Rumensz|Rumensz]] ([[User talk:Rumensz|talk]]) 09:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Rumensz, you do not appear to be blocked. Are you talking about a different project? Either way, there will be more appropriate forums to raise questions and requests you may have. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 10:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::Likely Bulgarian Wikipedia. [[User:AirshipJungleman29|&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 12:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::And I checked that Rumensz was blocked in April for 1 yr for (rough translation from Bulgarian) "aggressive behavior in violation of project rules"; in other words, disruptive editing and possibly incivility. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 12:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

== Quick note re: Checkuser and privacy ==

Since you're on the board of the WMF, I figure that you may want to be aware of [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#CheckUser for all new users]]. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 04:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:[[User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 38#What was the point...?|Found this from the talk archives]]. How would he handle it? <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{replyto|2601AC47}} That was a legitimate concern in 2008 when that discussion was carried out but he [[Wikipedia:Role of Jimmy Wales#Founder flag|can't do that sort of thing now]]. [[User:Graham87|Graham87]] ([[User talk:Graham87|talk]]) 05:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

== Early Thanksgiving ==

Understandably, it's 2 days early and today would be [[George Segal (artist)|George Segal's]] 100th birthday, but since you may have been distressed by things of late (including a hopefully resolved controversy, which needs complete closure)...
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So, shall I suggest ''[[Moana 2]]'' - in theaters <s>tomorrow</s> - and ''[[The Brutalist]]'' next month for you to see? <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]<big>·</big>[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]<big>·</big>[[Special:UserRights/2601AC47|my rights]]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span> 12:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Actually, Moana 2 is in theaters today (I checked), and there are seats for it. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]<big>·</big>[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]<big>·</big>[[Special:UserRights/2601AC47|my rights]]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span> 15:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

:And the reviews are in: 70%+ out of 46 so far according to Rotten Tomatoes (no consensus yet), "an exhilarating, romping sequel with songs that put Wicked to shame" <small>([https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/moana-2-review-dwayne-johnson/ Tim Robey, The Telegraph])</small>, "reminds you that Moana is a certified star" and "another win for Disney animation" <small>([https://mashable.com/article/moana-2-review Belen Edwards, Mashable])</small>, and 6/10 (middling) by IGN. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]<big>·</big>[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]<big>·</big>[[Special:UserRights/2601AC47|my rights]]) <span style="font-size:80%">Isn't a IP anon</span> 17:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)