User talk:Cullen328

I don't live on Cullen Ct, but I like the street sign

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Welcome to my talk page I use the name Cullen328 on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Jim" because that's my real first name. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the old comments from July and August of 2009 that follow the "Contents" here, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome when I first started editing Wikipedia.

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Hello and welcome to my talk page. If you want to start a new conversation, please click "New section" at the top of this page. I keep the comments that follow from July and August of 2009 readily visible, because these friendly words of greeting made me feel welcome here on Wikipedia when I first started editing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Please offer your thoughts

I would appreciate comments and suggestions on any contributions I make. I am learning.Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on Jules Eichorn. He's been needing an article for a while.   Will Beback  talk  06:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may suggest, now that you've posted the Eichorn article the draft below might be deleted. It's your talk page to do with as you like, but it's a bit hard to edit around.

As for formatting and pictures, a good way to learn is to look around at other articles to see what you think looks best. It can be helpful to break up long blocks of text into subsections. Perhaps it'd be possible to split the biography into two or three eras. Other than that, the formatting is usually kept fairly plain. As for photos, it's easy to upload them: the trick is in finding photos with appropriate licensing. If you have any personal photos then those'd be fine. There are might be pictures of the peaks he did first ascents on in the Wikicommons. File:Cathedral Peak.png is a so-so pic of Eichorn Pinnacle.

As before, feel free to ask if you have any questions. There are several editors here who are mountaineers or just admirers of the Sierra, so you're in good company.   Will Beback  talk  21:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: Many editors create "sandbox" pages for drafting articles. For example, User talk:Cullen328/Sandbox.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 1 August 2009

Your climber biographies

Hey Jim, just wanted to say welcome and thanks for your contributions to the Sierra Nevada climbing history articles. You're filling a niche that's been missing here, I look forward to working with you. --Justin (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that. Nice work on Allen Steck and welcome to Wikipedia. I don't know who you are planning to write up next but if your taking requests I think Peter Croft (climber) could really use a page. If you ever have any questions please ask. Thanks again for your great additions.--OMCV (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Justin and OMCV. I am beginning work on Tom Frost and Glen Dawson. Comments on Norman Clyde would be welcomed. I will defintely read up on Peter Croft, OMCV. I am still "learning the ropes" in Wikipedia, to use a climbing analogy, and have all sorts of things in mind. My biggest challenge right now is getting permission to use images. My next biggest challenge is hiking to the top of Mt. Whitney with my wife in ten days - she's never been above 12,000 feet except for the train ride up Pikes Peak. As she's 56 and developing arthritis in her toes, it will be an accomplishment if she (and I) complete the Class 1 feat. Jim Heaphy (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Debra and I made it to the summit of Mt. Whitney at 2:20 PM on Friday, September 11. Jim Heaphy (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for your response. I fully agree with your rationale - but how do I "just do it"? I've gone to one of the image pages and tried to update the summary and licensing info (adapted from another album page from the same band), and was greeted with a rapid deletion message. The code I used was as follows:

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User:Vonlandsberg/Alex Stenzel

Hi Jim,

I'm fairly new to wikipedia I made a few contribution and did create an article but my last article that I created Gorilla Sandwich didn't survive so I thought it would be good idea for my next article to have some one like yourself with more experience to take a look at it. The article that I have created is about the German artist and designer Alex Stenzel who lives in California. There are a number of references where the sources are reliable periodicals and I linked it to a printed copy that exist at www.alexstenzel.com. As far as I understand the references don't have to be available online so I can't decide if I actually should provide a link to the website? Also I'm not really sure what to include and what not to include into the article. Would be great if you can take a look at it. Thanks!--Vonlandsberg (talk) 08:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

@Vonlandsberg: My first impression is that there is WAY too much detail in your draft. As an example, there is too much detail about his youth tennis including the name of a referee at a match he played. Then you actually include a reference to an obituary of the referee, which does not even mention Stenzel. That is bizarre and all such references that do not mention Stenzel should be removed. As should all references that consist of passing mentions or just photos. You should not link to any website that hosts copies of copyrighted material without permission. Just cite the original publication. The draft has a promotional tone. No one should be described as a "philosopher" unless they teach philosophy, have a philosophy degree or have written books reviewed by academic philosophy journals. Ask yourself why this person is notable. Is it as an artist? If so, then structure the article as a biography of an artist. So, what I think is that you should prune the draft back dramatically, and focus on his best claims to notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:26, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Jim, thank you! This is great constructive advise. I will get to work with it and if you don't mind I'll asked you to read it again when I'm done.Vonlandsberg (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@Vonlandsberg: I will be happy to read a revision of the draft. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:51, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Jim, I have edited the article and addressed all the problems that you had mentioned above. Would you be so kind and take another look at it. Thank you for your help. I have focused on Stenzel being an artist and designer.Vonlandsberg (talk) 06:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Vonlandsberg. In my opinion, your draft is still crammed full of excessive detail. You simply cannot call someone a polymath unless a really high quality independent reliable source calls them that, and you cite that source. Familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for artists and structure the article to show that this person is a notable artist/creative professional. Unless this person meets our notability guideline for tennis (which they don't), then all the content about tennis is not encyclopedic and should be removed. The same for other athletic endeavors. Unless they are a notable athlete, it simply does not belong. Your draft needs to focus first and foremost on this person's notability, not everything that they have done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I wasn't sure about calling him a polymath either but wanted to point out the unusual many various areas that he has been top in his field but yes no secondary source is referring to him as a polymath. How about I move the athletic part into earlier life and combine art&design and the modern nomad section under one header. Most independent sources that are in my opinion notable are related to art & design. Vonlandsberg (talk) 08:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Or you think it is best to reduce the athletic section to max three sentences and move into the early life section.Vonlandsberg (talk) 08:49, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Vonlandsberg, I think that your first and most important task is to demonstrate convincingly to skeptical editors that this person meets our notability guideline for artists. Everything else is secondary to that goal at this point, and therefore is a distraction from the main task at hand. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

O.K. I'll give it a shot. Thank you.Vonlandsberg (talk) 09:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jim, here is the new draft. You were right on structuring the article as an artist. I like it much better now! I did some research on the definition artist and I was surprised to see that his fashion, architecture and other design works can be seen as artistic creations. So I summarized all of it as the work of an artist. I pointed out some of the reviews that I think are notable. I'm not sure if that violates neutrality. Everything that didn't have anything to do with his creative work I moved into the early life section but reduced it quite a bit. Although it could still be a bit shorter I thought it was worth mentioning his athletic achievements, his early invention a handheld sail for skateboarding and his early on nomadic lifestyle, as it does relate to his future creative life as an artist. (from surfing to designing surf inspired clothing, architectural and product design and art nomad).Vonlandsberg (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Jim did you have a chance to look at my article? Again thank you so much for your time. It really helps me becoming a better editor.Vonlandsberg (talk) 07:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, Vonlandsberg, but your draft still has the problems I described above. All that extraneous stuff does not belong in your draft, in my opinion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Jim, are you referring to the early life section? What I listed under work I kept as minimal as possible except as for the style section which I thought was necessary to reference more to explain his work.Vonlandsberg (talk) 09:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Vonlandsberg, I have repeatedly told you that your draft has severe problems and you have failed to address them in any substantive way. Let me be frank: your draft is jam packed full of unencyclopedic crap that must be removed if there is any hope of having this article included in this encyclopedia. Stengel is not a notable tennis player or a notable athlete in any way. Remove that crap. He is not a notable world traveler or "sandwich inventer". Remove that crap. You write "At age 9, Stenzel unknowingly made his first invention, a wind-skate sail built from aluminium pipes and a plastic tarp. He skateboarded with it along the windy dike roads on the North Sea island of Sylt." and reference that to Stengel's own website. You must be kidding! An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what independent sources say about a topic and Stengel's own website is not independent. I told you previously that your job is to demonstrate convincingly that Stenzel is notable artist and you have failed to do that. I have been patient up until now but this has been going on for six weeks. Remove all the crap from your draft and demonstrate this person's notability. Please do not waste my time any further by asking me to review anything that is not a dramatic and radical rewrite. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:47, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

You are saying there is to much information that has nothing to do with my main goal to show that he is notable artist. Get rid of everything that doesn't relate to his creative work. Get rid of everything that is not "independent". And even in the early life section don't mention anything that doesn't relate to art.Vonlandsberg (talk) 09:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, Vonlandsberg. Write a neutral encyclopedia article, not a panegyric. Why is this person notable? I have read your various drafts, and I still cannot figure it out. Which museums have exhibited his work? Which professional art critics have analyzed his work? Which major newspapers and magazines have published biographical articles about his career? I cannot overstate the importance of independent sources, and conversely the importance of leaving out any substantive assertion referenced to his own website or his own writings. Remove it all. Every trace of it. We only care about what independent sources say when devoting significant coverage to Stenzel. We care nothing about what Stenzel says about himself. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 09:33, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Jim, ok here we go. I got rid of 90 percent of what you suggested and extracted from the independent sources the most notable things about Stenzel and pointed it out right at the top. The work section explains why he is notable in the different fields of art. I didn’t make any changes to the work section since it all shows notability. In my opinion the cucumber sandwich should be included since it is a notable design (artistic creation) and has three independent reliable sources. Also his nomadic travels, as an artist I feel should be included since his lifestyle is inseparable from his art and the fact that he received substantial media coverage by highly reputable independent sources ads to the notability. I got rid of all the athletic stuff but even though he is not notable as an athlete in any one of the disciplines there is some notability having had three world rankings and I think is worth mentioning. I added that he was granted permanent resident status as an artist of extraordinary ability and I’m referencing his website. I checked under WP:SELFPUB and it seems to be ok in this case. Overall I find Stenzel is definitely a notable artist having produced original and first creations over extended period of time and being mentioned by various independent sources to be at the top in his field several times.Vonlandsberg (talk) 11:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Vonlandsberg, I think that I have given you all guidance that I can about your draft. I just have one more question for you. Do you have a personal connection to Stenzel? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Jim, yes you have been very helpful indeed. Thank you so much for your time and patience I really appreciate it. As a Wikipedian my relation to the subject is writing a good article about it. That's why I asked for help and not just dumped it on the site. I love Wikipedia and planning to contribute substantially in the future. I also use it extensively as a research tool and the integrity of Wikipedia is very important for me(much more important then having article about Stenzel). Do you find Stenzel as an artist notable enough to be included on Wikipedia or should I get second opinion from an editor that specializes in biographies about artist.Vonlandsberg (talk) 09:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

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"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Merlin

Jim, I am grateful to you for replying to me, a newbie writing about Merlin. My work is not widely accepted by mainstream scholars in the field. On the bright side, neither has it been rejected (at least, not by anyone who has considered the evidence). I just tend to find the wagons are circled and there is no way in. Glasgow University eventually allowed me to attend their 2015 Celtic Congress, although they said this ‘stirred up a hornet’s nest’. Following a brief debate with a speaker (a mainstream scholar), I was approached by three other mainstream scholars who said they had come to disagree with him and agree with me. In November 2016 I put it to one mainstream scholar (an Oxford Univ. Prof.) that in a book he had written, he had changed bedrock source evidence that said Scotland, to make it read England. He accepted that he had done this and went on to say “I cannot now reconstruct why I wrote…” what he wrote. The self-styled ‘scholarly’ American University website Arthuriana/Arthurnet shut down, after 25 years, blaming me. I could answer their questions. They could not answer mine. They too were more concerned about who was writing and less concerned about what was written. I was polite. All this is still on line. I have no idea what the mainstream theory is; as opposed to my ‘fringe theory’. I do not know how much or (better still) how little to write at this point; or what to write that might be constructive. I am especially grateful to you for suggesting I discuss things on the article talk page. I will do this. Many thanks and best wishes. AdamDunardry (talk) 08:45, 3 January 2017 (UTC) Dunardry PS One question, if I may, should I brandish the fact that I was elected a FSA Scot this year? Would this make me more mainstream? I should say, there is no way I would do this. I just wondered... Adam is my real name. The codenames stuff strikes me as a bit silly, but, what the hell...

Hi Adam/Dunardry. I´m not Cullen, but I saw your question on the Merlin talkpage (maybe you know the answer to my question there?). You could very well be a Alfred Wegener on this subject, I have no reason to doubt your comment above. What works against you on WP is that "we" are by design dry and dusty and stodgy mainstream. If some young whippersnapper comes up to Lord Kelvin and says that the earth is much older than he thinks, we side with Lord Kelvin.

Your idea seems to me currently WP:FRINGE, which means that for it to be mentioned in WP, it must have been mentioned in mainstream sources, like if those three scholars you mentioned above wrote an article about the merits/problems with the "scottish Merlin" and got it published in a WP:RS. "Fringe" subjects can even have their own articles, like for instance the many articles on the Shakespear Authorship Question, but per WP-policy, these articles must always be clear on the mainstream position.

I hope you stay around and edit other stuff you´re intrested in, you sound like a valuable WP:EXPERT to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

A swedish comedian once said: "Oh well, I didn´t expect to be appreciated during my lifetime. But times change!" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

From Dunardry greetings and thanks for taking the time to write. I don't think Wikipedia is the way to go for me. I am going to take another tack. Watch the Scandinavian (?) media in March/April. Best wishes Adam, err, umm, I mean Dunardry.Dunardry (talk) 14:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Teahouse

I am a new editor. And I would like your help, is there anyway we can chat for a while? AWMSSilent (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2017 (UTC)AWMSSilent

Hello, AWMSSilent. What can I help you with? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I was looking for a article to do but it is kind of hard, beings there is so many articles out there. AWMSSilent (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2017 (UTC)AWMSSilent

Cullen,

Hello, can you help me with Eric Brian Hughes article. Several citations. Films1921 (talk) 01:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

for trying to help at VP:T. Smartphones are still a scary mystery to me :-) My working hypothesis is that it's harder to figure out how to get to your talk page and how to edit there if you are using the mobile editor, but there's not much to be done unless the editor does figure those out and leaves some sort of message asking to be unblocked. Meanwhile another new editor has cropped up with a similar article creation pattern and still no talk page edits at all, and been blocked as a sock, but they were not using mobile. So I also wonder whether it's more of a meatpuppet situation - members of a forum or a face-to-face group. In any event, it concerns me that it may be very hard for new editors who use the mobile interface to engage with the community and hence to ask questions and explain themselves if they get off on the wrong foot as in this case. I hope I'm wrong and it is practical to expect them to read and respond on their talk page. Otherwise I believe we may need new templates with suitable links to be used in cases where the person is using the mobile interface. I wish the techies at VP:T had seen my point, because given that a mobile interface exists, new editors used to mobile are going to use it. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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teahouse comment on iqperson

Im not accusing you of snything but allow me to say this. Your comments were deamining and insulting. Im not that kid and i will never be. The article was suggestedto me by another editor who chooses to be anonymous in this discussio. So may i boldly ask that next time you can keep your insulting comments to youself. Thank you for understanding Iqperson (talk) 19:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Iqperson. I suggest that you re-read my comment carefully, paying special attention to the meaning and importance of the word "if" in the final sentence. I also suggest that you do not trying to write articles about non-notable teenagers. Then, all will be well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Salade niçoise

On 9 January 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Salade niçoise, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the mayor of Nice implored cooks to "never, never, I beg you, include boiled potato or any other boiled vegetable in your salade niçoise"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Salade niçoise. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Salade niçoise), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Pictures for Draft: New England Regional Art Museum

Hi Jim, thanks for your guidance on my draft article. Please let me know whether I should be replying on the Talk tab to that page, or here where I've clicked the Let's discuss it.

I've made the changes both you and 'Gronk Oz' suggested to the text article. About the photos, you asked:" As for the written permissions for use of photographs, do these people know that any image uploaded to Wikimedia Commons can be re-used by anyone for any purpose what so ever, including commercial purposes? Have they released their work under a specific Creative Commons license? If so, which license?. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)"

I have three sources of pictures and permissions: (1) the Museum itself, which has given me permission to use specific low-res images from its web site, because it is aware of issues of re-use, (2) the Director of the Museum who has taken one photo himself that I want to use, and (3) an art photographer maybe occcassionally-commercial photographer retired from paid employment in a different profession. All have given written email permission without specifying which type of Commons license, though as I said the museum is clearly aware of re-use issues which is why it is giving access to low-res images.

I have emailed each of them with your feedback and a link to Commons licenses. Do I have to lodge/post copies of their permission (as well as copies of the images) in the Wikimedia Commons? Do I have to make a formal request somewhere or is my TeaHouse question a sufficient starting point?

Thanks very much for your kind help. Dirrigeree (talk) 06:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Dirrigeree. The first thing that you should understand is that Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons are two separate but related projects. Each project has separate administrators and separate policies and guidelines. My expertise (such as it is) is as a Wikipedia editor though I do donate a few images to the other project from time to time. So, for precise and accurate answers, please ask at the help desk at Commons. In general, I will say that each individual image or media file uploaded there must be either properly licensed in writing, or free of copyright. Informal, generic "licenses" are not acceptable. Only the copyright holder can license an image. The easiest way is for the copyright holder themself to upload the image, releasing it properly at that time. The release can be done by a signed document but that must be legally correct and is a slower process. The museum cannot give "you" the right to use the images. They must release the images to the entire world for anyone including you to use as they see fit, for any purpose at all. The museum director should upload that image. Ideally, the art photographer should do the same. All of them must understand how expansive the terms of the license are. I hope this helps. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:09, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Three years ago ...

relax and recharge
... you were recipient no. 721 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

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Thank you for the pleasant reminder, Gerda Arendt. My goal is always to improve this wonderful encyclopedia and I appreciate this recognition from an outstanding editor like you. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:18, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I like your recent salad ;) - Today is a strange day: on the main page a pictured DYK where an infobox was requested on the talk (I did it), and the featured article where one was added and reverted (I will stay away). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words about Salade niçoise, Gerda. I would rather eat one of those salads than argue about an infobox any day of the week. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I love those salads! - I try to stay away, was so far successful for the RfC "Should every biography have an infobox?" - They argue not about "should have" but "must have", as if it was the same. Waste of time. Still love the irony of requested here, reverted there. As long as this a project of writers (and their preferences), not a project for readers (and their needs), that will not end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Would you use boiled potatoes in a salade niçoise, Gerda? MPS1992 (talk) 01:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Steppenwolf (band)

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A brownie for you!

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Discussion at Talk:Wind-powered vehicle

Hi Cullen328, you may wish to add to the discussion at Talk:Wind-powered vehicle#Scope—Land only?. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 14:52, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

re: Sea Shepherd page

Hi Cullen, thanks for your help in the Teahouse thread. I've updated that post on the talk page, could you please let me know if it needs anything else? Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society#Edit_suggestions

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Notable articles

I have read your message at teahouse but I have one question on my mind. Suppose, I wanted to create an article about my school , what should I write it as? I don't have any information about the founders but only their names. Also, what do the author's mean when they talk about 'writing in neutrality' ? I really don't know what to do. Can you please help me? I mean to write a new article on Wikipedia about my school. I have also checked that whether the article exists or not. So I'm pretty confident my article. Please help me. I cannot decide anything.

Wikipedian (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC) Wikipedian (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to be slow to respond, Faceless Wikipedian. When you write an article about a school (or any topic), you should read the full range of reliable sources about the topic. For all school, much of that would mean coverage in local newspapers. Then, you should summarize what those sources say, avoiding promotional language. Create references to the reliable sources you read, and add those references to the article. That's the process. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Citing Items in a List (discussion from Teahouse)

Hi Cullen³²⁸ and thanks for the tip. My concern is that citing every single item (there's only four in this case, but there is a longer list further down the article) would make it too cluttered, especially when each item would refer to the same source. It seems like there would be a cleaner way to do it. See again at National World War I Museum and Memorial association members. See the second (as yet uncited) list at Museum Features. RM2KX (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, RM2KX. I have been quite busy in recent days, so I apologize for the slow response. I suggested a possible referencing technique, and it is pretty much standard procedure that every item on a list will have a reference. It is not "clutter" but rather an example of verifiability, which is a core content policy. As for your second list of individual museum exhibits, I consider any such list promotional and not appropriate for the encyclopedia unless each and every item in the list is cited to a reliable source independent of the museum. It is not our job to republish the museum's own list of the exhibits it considers worthy of attention, but rather we ought to summarize the judgment of independent observers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Hey, Cullen - I read your note at the top of your talk page. Just thought I'd stop by and say hi. Also, I wanted to thank you for investigating my T-ban, and then immediately running crying to a liberal-leaning admin to tell on me for mentioning the name of a politician. This was undoubtedly a much preferred option to say, perhaps sending me a private message informing me that I am not permitted to even speak freely in the Teahouse, and offering me the chance to remove my edit on my own volition. Since, as I'm sure you know, Bishonen despises anything resembling an opposing viewpoint, I can probably expect to be indefinitely blocked from the project tonight. Anyway, thanks again and it was a pleasure meeting you! Hidden Tempo (talk) 05:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Hidden Tempo. It is your responsibility to comply with the terms of your topic ban which was the result of your disruptive behavior. I thought that conservatives were all in favor of accepting personal responsibility, but perhaps you disagree. I did not "run" and I did not "cry" and I did not seek out some random liberal leaning administrator, since I am entirely unfamiliar with Bishonen's personal politics. Instead, I pinged the specific administrator who imposed the topic ban. So, thank you for stopping by and letting me know what kind of person you are. Your comments are illuminating. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Not a conservative just for the record. Just a moderate who is disgusted about what wikipedia.dnc.gov has become. Also, you missed the point of my edit completely! I was emphasizing that my behavior was not "disruptive," but received a ban anyway for expressing a dissenting point of view on talk pages. That's the root of the very problem I wanted to discuss. Anyway, I apologize if you did not intend to rat me out for violating the terms of my ban. That's how it came off to me. I didn't really see any other reason to instantly alert that particular individual after you already informed me that I'm not welcome in the Teahouse. But as I said, it's academic now that I'm on borrowed time until Bishonen discovers what happened and implements her foul-mouthed views on blocking users who she suspects of not supporting Secretary Clinton. Hidden Tempo (talk) 06:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome at the Teahouse any time, Hidden Tempo, as long as you do not violate your topic ban. As for the comment you made above asserting without evidence that someone was blocked for failing to support a politician? That is also a violation of your topic ban. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Okay, are you sure that's correct? @Bishonen, could you please confirm that I can't even use the word that Cullen just used after the phrase "failing to support a" ANYWHERE on Wikipedia, including a user's talk page? It would be helpful if I could have a list of words that I'm no longer allowed to use. I know I have a penchant for sarcasm and apophasis, mainly stemming from my frustrations of the ban and the reasons for my banning, but I am honestly confused now what I am and am not allowed to talk about anymore. Hidden Tempo (talk) 02:46, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Hidden Tempo. There is no possbility that a list of words could be provided and you should not expect to get one. As I understand your topic ban, you may not work on articles related to post 1932 U.S. politics, and in addition, you cannot discuss anything whatsoever related to that broad topic area. The restriction is broadly construed. In other words, no one reading your edits should see even a trace or a whiff or even a poetic allusion to post 1932 U.S. politics. Nothing about politicians active since 1932, living or dead. Nothing about issues, legislation, campaign, elections, or political parties. You may not even mention an obscure North Dakota state legislator who died in 1934.

Of course, you can still use the word "politician", if it is crystal clear that the person's career ended before 1932, or that they were not involved in U. S. politics. So, feel free to work on articles about politicians like Thomas Jefferson or Charles DeGaulle. But avoid writing about DeGaulle's impact on U. S. politics. I hope that makes things clear. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beauty Pageants

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My Draft Article: Jean Jepson, Dancer, Teacher, Choreographer.

Hello Jim,

My name is Peter and I am the one using the moniker of "CableHut".

Thanks very much for all your recent comments and suggestions about my Draft.

This is the first Wikipedia article that I am trying to create and I am discovering that I am very unfamiliar with this environment and the way in which it operates. I am learning and adapting as I go along.

One recent example was my use of the word "Help Desk" in the comments in my latest request for help. I should have used the word "Teahouse" instead and that would have avoided much confusion. No harm was intended. I was not aware of the fine distinctions between the two.

Your most recent comments are quite helpful. For example I am going to change the title to simply say "Jean Jepson". The words "Dancer", "Teacher", and "Choreographer" might be better suited in the "Categories" section.

There are a few comments that you made that I would like to discuss:

1. Jean's notability. 2. Licensing of the photo. 3. Biographies limited to presenting just one person. Nowhere in the article have I used the word biography. 4. Reference Book Publishers names, ISBN. 5. Missing page numbers from some references. 6. Excessive detail. Need of trimming. 7. Self-referencing phrases: "This article is about xxx".

I can easily clean up Item 7 above without further discussion but the others will require some discussion.

Are you (or any of your Teahouse colleagues) the best person (persons) to have that discussion with or should it be done with the people who do the final edits (editors)?

Please let me know Jim. CableHut (talk) 03:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hello CableHut. Let me start with your final comment first. There are no "people who do the final edits" here. There are just editors. You are an editor, I am an editor, and everyone else you run across is an editor. We are all equal, although obviously experienced editors are more familiar with our policies and guidelines than new editors. No editor is assigned to specific jobs here. We work on what we choose to work on, when we want to. There are also no "final edits". Everything here is subject to ongoing revision at any time.

1. Every acceptable Wikipedia article must be about a notable topic, which means that the topic must have received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Please read WP:CREATIVE for our specific notability guideline about creative professionals. You need to show convincingly that she meets that guideline.

2. Images used on Wikipedia must be properly licensed. The licensing must be done by the person who holds the copyright. You cannot upload an image unless the image is properly licensed and you cannot claim an image as your "own work" unless you are the photographer. We are very strict about image usage and you must do this right.

3. Any article titled with the name of a person is by definition a biography of that person, and all content in that article must be about that person. Of course, other people can be mentioned but not discussed extensively outside the context of the person that the article is about. A biography is not the place for extensive discussion about the history of dance in a certain city, or dance studios in that city, or whatever. That might possibly be appropriate for an article about "Arts in Vancouver", but if so, that must be a comprehensive article about that topic.

4. References should include complete bibliographic information. A book reference, for example, should include the author(s), title, publisher, date of publication, relevant page numbers, and ISBN number, at the least. If it is a very old book published before the ISBN system and not reprinted since, then obviously that number cannot be provided. By the way, we never say that a book can be found in such-and-such a library. The ISBN number, if properly referenced, will allow a WorldCat search, listing every library worldwide holding that book.

5. As mentioned above, page numbers should be provided for references to books. A reader consulting the book should not have to search the entire book to find the relevant passages.

6. Simply remove all content that does not directly relate to Jean Jepson's life and career. Feel free to save this content somewhere in your use space for use in possible future articles on other topics.

I hope that this is helpful. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:09, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi CableHut. Is your #2 above related to what you posted at c:User talk:Marchjuly#Deleting Duplicate jpg Uploaded File in my Gallery about File:Jean Jepson 1940s Portrait.jpg? Perhaps you did not notice my response, but as Jim pointed out above, you cannot license someone else's copyrighted image as your own work. The original copyright holder needs to explicitly agree to license the image under a license compatible with c:Commons:Licensing for it to be uploaded to Commons. Everything depends upon whether you are the original copyright holder of the image. You wrote in the file's description that Jepson provided you with the photo before she died, but it's not clear who holds the copyright on the photo. Typically, the photographer who takes the photo holds the copyright on it, not the subject of the photo, unless it was a work for hire and there was an explicit copyright transfer agreement between the two. If there was no such agreement, then it seems unlikely that the photo cannot be uploaded without the photographer agreeing to license it accordingly. If there was such an agreement, then the ownership of copyright was likely transferred to whomever Jepson's designated to be in charge of her estate after she died. So, if you can clarify any of that then it will be much easier to give you more specific advice.

In addition to freely licensing the file, it may also be possible to upload it locally for use on English Wikipedia as non-free content. Copyrighted photos of deceased individuals are often permitted per item 10 of WP:NFCI. The advantage of non-free content is that permission of the original copyright holder is not required to upload the photo; the disadvantage is that such content is extremely restricted by Wikipedia's non-free content use policy, which can be a bit tricky to figure out even for experienced editors. Again, it will be easier to figure out if this photo can be uploaded as non-free content once more information about its copyright status is known. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Jean Jepson Draft

Hi Jim,

Thanks for clarifying again how the Wikipedia ongoing editing process works. I have to set aside conventional thinking on the editing process and be always mindful that Wikipedia is an online ongoing collaborative process.

I am going to respond now to each point that we have under discussion.

1. Notability. Jean Jepson is very highly regarded in the Vancouver dance community as one of our most notable dancers and teachers. In the article I mention the tribute event that was held last year by the West Coast Tap Dance Collective (WCTDC) to recognize and honour her memory and her accomplishments. I have added a link from Jean's Wikipedia page over to the WCTDC home page so that readers can see her picture in the gallery along with other honourees.

2. The photo of Jean that I have uploaded for the article is my own photo. It is a copy of a photo that Jean distributed before she died. This is one of the ways in which she wanted us to remember her. It has been widely distributed within the Tap Dance community and it appears in many of the studios around town. It is the same photo that the WCTDC has posted at the Website and which the link leads to. If for some reason you cannot use it then that is fine. The link will lead to exactly the same photo.

3. You said that articles with the name of a single person are automatically deemed to be biography. Fair enough. I now would like to change the name and the tone of the article because I can see a much bigger subject in my mind. At the WCTDC tribute last year we honoured three notables: Jean Jepson; Ted Cawker; and Evelyn Ward. I have almost completed an article for Ted Cawker and given everything that I have learned about the Vancouver Dance Community and about the way Wikipedia operates I would like to refocus the article towards the broader Vancouver Dance Community and not so much on Jean Jepson.

4. Publisher Names and ISBN have all been added to the reference books listed in the draft now.

5. I have added reference book page numbers where I could. It was not always possible as quite often I summarized information spread out over several pages and sources into just a phrase or two. Anyone wanting further details can just as easily have a look at the books as I did. In addition, as mentioned at the end of the article, much more detail has been organized and placed in a scrapbook, 61 pages of photos and commentary, that is now on file at the Vancouver Ballet Society library. The idea is for the Wiki article to introduce interested parties to this history and then point them in the direction of additional resources.

In conclusion I have learned that much of Vancouver's very rich early dance history is in danger of being lost forever unless it is captured, organized and written down, and made available for interested parties to read and learn. We are really counting on the Wikipedia page to help introduce this history to anyone who is interested. I have shown the scrapbook and the Wiki draft article to several people (all dance lovers) and without exception they were thrilled and delighted to learn the stories and see all the pictures. They were very happy that this material is being preserved. We have a Canadian national dance archive collection in Toronto and they are also very excited about this project.

I am now planning to move ahead and broaden the scope of the "Jean Jepson" article to embrace the wider dance community a bit. So there will be at the minimum a name change, and some new people in the spotlight.

In the meantime I would appreciate having your feedback to my comments above.

Thanks for all your help so far Jim.

Much appreciated!

Peter