Talk:Alex Jones

Requested move 17 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved(closed by non-admin page mover) Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 11:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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Alex Jones → Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist) – I am concerned this is not the primary topic, and for the entire world there is no significant Alex Jones. For example, a typical British, and particularly Welsh, person might view Alex Jones (Welsh presenter) as better known and covered in wider (as opposed to simply a greater number of) sources. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Ritchie333, from my recollection there was a discussion about this back in 2017 when the article was named Alex Jones (radio host) though I'm struggling to find it now as on mobile. Regardless I agree with your logic and support Alex Jones going to the disambiguation page. Glen (talk) 17:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• So Alex Jones (disambiguation) would take this title? If so, that seems reasonable and I'd support that. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. In regards to the first reply, this setup was decided in December 2017, then there was an unsuccessful attempt at reversing that RM in June 2018. I don't think anything has changed since then. The link offered in the 2018 RM [1] still shows the conspiracy theoriest with a dominating amount of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC pageviews. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Page views indicate an overwhelming primary topic. It's possible that the Welsh presenter may be better known in the UK, but from a global perspective English language readers seem overwhelmingly more likely to be seeking the conspiracy theorist. The conspiracy theorist also seems to get extensive coverage internationally in foreign outlets -- a search in an Irish German, or Australian news outlet, for example, shows a very clear primary topic.--Yaksar (let's chat) 18:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think the current topic is the primary based off of Google search results and page view stats. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose pageviews seem to be overwhelmingly in favour of keeping the status quo.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose the last RM got it right, he's the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.LM2000 (talk) 01:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: The page views are unambiguous; with over ten times the page views of the second place page, this is clearly the primary topic. The "For other people named Alex Jones, see Alex Jones (disambiguation)." at the top of the page takes care of anyone searching for another Alex Jones. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per page view statistics. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Alex Jones is definitely the primary topic. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 19:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: Adding to the snowfall.Niteshift36 (talk) 18:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppodr; the conspiracy theorist is definitely the primary topic and known extensively for his theories. cookie monster (2020) 755 01:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Call for Snow Close

WP:SNOW. If you have been following the weather news from Death Valley[2][3][4][5] you can see the appeal of a bit of snow... --Guy Macon (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, just hang on a second, one of the arguments I put forward is that the number of sources is not necessarily as good an argument as where they come from. In particular, I would like some evidence that non-US countries still put this guy above other people with the same name. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:DETERMINEPRIMARYsays "A topic may have principal relevance for a specific group of people (for example, as the name of a local place, or software), but not be the primary meaning among a general audience. An attorney may read the word "hearing" and immediately think of a courtroom, but the auditory sense is still the primary topic."

Do you have any particular reason to think that Alex Jones is mainly popular in the US? Perhaps by using techniques such as Google Ngram viewer suggested in WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Alex Jones says that coronavirus outbreak is a hoax

This seems important enough to include in the article.

Alex Jones' Hoax Pandemic Conspiracy Video Viral Despite Facebook Ban

https://www.boomlive.in/world/alex-jones-hoax-pandemic-conspiracy-video-viral-despite-facebook-ban-9788

180.129.50.197 (talk) 08:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I would like a better source.Slatersteven (talk) 11:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Boom! ( www.boomlive.in ) --Guy Macon (talk) 12:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Alex Jones says a lot of things. We don't decide which of things he says should go into this article by saying "this seems important enough to include in the article" because different people have different opinions on what is important. Instead, we decide by asking whether what he said has had significant coverage in reliable sources. Do any other sources discuss this? --Guy Macon (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this content is due, but the source is reliable because it is a syndicated article from Agence France-Presse (AFP) (RSP entry), an international news agency. The "Views" section lists several of Jones's other conspiracy theories, so I can see the argument for adding his coronavirus conspiracy theory to the list. — Newslinger talk 04:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Let's review, shall we?

Let's review for our newly-arrived Infowars/Newswars/Prison Planet minions, shall we? Alex Jones claims that the US government kidnaps children and makes them slaves at our martian colony, that kids are only pretending to get shot at school and their parents are only pretending to grieve, that Michelle Obama is really a man, that Carrie Fisher of Star Wars fame was killed to boost DVD sales, that the coming New World Order is a demonic high-tech tyranny formed by satanist elites who are using selective breeding to create a supreme race, that tap water is turning frogs gay, that Coronavirus is a hoax, that 5G networks create Coronavirus within human cells (no explanation about the conflict between those last two), that Temple of Baal arches will be erected in multiple cities around the world Real Soon Now, that the Democratic party runs a pedophile ring through pizza shops, that the US government commits acts of terrorism against its own citizens, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are literally demons from hell, that the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami were a government plot, that Obama wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb in Charleston, South Carolina, that FEMA runs concentration camps, that the US is being invaded by South American walruses... Sounds legit to me! --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments / questions

• Q: Isn't Jones just an actor playing a role without actually believing all of that?

A: It doesn't matter. Millions pf people read his webpage, some believe it, and a tiny percentage go to Wikipedia to set us straight. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Q: Why doesn't this page cover the bit about gay frogs?

A: We only cover those things Alex Jones says that have significant coverage in reliable sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Q: OK, all that other stuff is just silly, but the bit about South American walruses is real!

A: No it isn't. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

• Q: Why have the same two editors been allowed to hijack this article and talk page for so many years?

A: I really don't know. It doesn't lend a whole lot of credibility to the notion that content around here is curated by community consensus. At least the community was paying attention when one of them attempted to offer himself up for adminship. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 13:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Why, pray tell, is this article parts of the series "Conservatism in the US" ???

This just has to be a cruel joke. (Or an intenional hit against conservatism, whichever is more likely). Jones is as conservative as a Drag Queen on crack. You got to be kidding me.... --85.255.236.77 (talk) 13:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Because Alex Jones is a Conservative radio talk show host? Do you have any sources that say he is not a conervative?Slatersteven (talk) 13:20, 10 October 2020 (UTC)