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== Drmies salting ==
'''Initiated by ''' <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] '''at''' 16:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Involved parties ===
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*{{userlinks|Wumbolo}}, ''filing party''
*{{admin|Drmies}}
*{{admin|Acroterion}}

;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&diff=925358960&oldid=925358852]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Acroterion&diff=925359080&oldid=925342785]

;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried
* [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection]]
* [[User talk:Drmies]]
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=925348908#Acroterion ANI discussion]

=== Statement by Wumbolo ===
I have been directed here by admin Ymblanter at ANI (see the discussion link).

In this case I will be referring to an article title as "XYZ" (without quotes). Unfortunately I will have to submit evidence to ArbCom privately. The evidence consists of the real title of XYZ. The reason for the evidence's privacy is oversighter and admin TonyBallioni's "oversight block" [[Special:Diff/925347536|threat on my talk page]].

XYZ is a mainspace article that has never been created. This fact has been corroborated by Drmies. Drmies salted XYZ anyway. That violates [[WP:SALT]], a part of the [[WP:Protection policy]]. If anyone doesn't understand why, I can explain but honestly it's pretty obvious. This is extraordinary, since Drmies is an oversighter, and [[WP:Oversight]] requires very good knowledge of Protection Policy.

I asked Drmies on his/her talk page to unprotect the page because of WP:SALT. My request was reverted and [[WP:REVDEL]]ed by Acroterion.

I went to [[WP:RFPP]] to request unprotection on the basis of WP:SALT. My request was reverted and WP:REVDELed by Acroterion.

I gave Acroterion an "ultimatum" on his/her talk page. It was reverted and WP:REVDELed by Acroterion.

I finally went to ANI, where Ymblanter closed my thread and directed me to ArbCom. That's why I am requesting this case. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 16:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

{{re|Serial Number 54129}} [[WP:NOTPOINTy]]. I did not disrupt Wikipedia in any related edit, and even if I did, it was clearly not on purpose. I am reporting a protection policy violation by an oversighter. There are checks and balances for ''non''-oversight-related protection policy violations by OSers, and they are RfPP, ANI, ArbCom, etc. Your aspersions allegation is projection; by alleging aspersions without specific links, you are the one casting aspersions. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 16:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

{{u|Future Perfect at Sunrise}}'s statement is an extreme [[WP:BLP]] violation. It's insane how I'm being revdelled without even mentioning anything related to politics, yet Fut.Perf. is here saying stuff that is oversightable according to Drmies and other editors. Selective enforcement of rules - not something I want at Wikipedia, so if this case is accepted, I would consider it justice. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 16:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

{{re|Serial Number 54129}} I feel bad for casting aspersions, but I must. The evidence for the aspersions is oversightable, even though many editors are currently posting oversightable material without consequences. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 16:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Drmies below '''admits''' that he/she will continue to violate [[WP:Protection policy]] in the future in the same way. I consider '''desysoping''' the only solution. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 17:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Drmies is making a false statement about me. It is not ME who wants to publicize what shall not be publicized. It is admins like Fut.Perf. and several others here who want to publicize what shall not be publicized. <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 17:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== SN54129 ===
No comment (obviously) on the oversighted material. But looking at the AN, what do we have? A [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/enwiki/Wumbolo very experienced editor], filing [[WP:POINT]]y ANi reports, casting [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=925344800 aspersions], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=925343707&oldid=925343512&title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents boasting] about breaching a topic ban. Really? If Wumolo has a problem with the actions of an OSer, there are checks and balances in place for him to utilise. But this approach is wholly unsatisfactory. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SN''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 16:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks Wumbolo, I've clarified precisely ''where'' you cast aspersions. Apologies for the previously vague link. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SN''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 16:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
:I agree with {{u|Davey2010}}, and others, who point out that now Wumbolo is OS-blocked (a shame, though) the case should be decslined. So decline it. Of course, if {{u|AGK}} hadn't made ''what amounts to a mildly pointless'' vote to "decline" it ould have been archived post-withdrawal in a few hours anyway. [[WP:NOTBURO]], people. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SN''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 17:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Nick ===
Wumbolo seems to be causing a tremendous amount of trouble for someone who has retired. Accept, handle by motion, block Wumbolo, job done, with the additional benefit of aiding Wumbolo's retirement. [[User:Nick|Nick]] ([[User talk:Nick|talk]]) 16:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Fut.Perf. ===
Unless I hear some good reason not to, I'm going to block Wumbolo for a substantial period of time, for continuing to breach his topic ban with this very filing. Wumbolo is (as he has himself admitted) topic-banned from American politics. The article title in question is related to an individual whose only (hypothetical) reason for notability would be his (alleged) role in an American political scandal. Wumbolo is therefore banned not only from editing that article, but also from discussing it – including discussing its potential creation or administrative steps taken against such creation. He is also banned from filing this matter at Arbcom. This can't be stressed often enough: Arbcom isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card allowing people to continue pursuing conflicts they are not supposed to be pursuing. [[WP:BANEX]] allows only "engaging in legitimate and necessary dispute resolution, e.g. addressing a legitimate concern about the ban itself in an appropriate forum". This does not include filing grievances about content issues you wouldn't be allowed to discuss elsewhere. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 16:42, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
: As per the above, and since Wumbolo was continuing digging himself deeper, I've blocked them for a week under discretionary sanction enforcement. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 17:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Sandstein ===
In July 2019, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=907630176#Wumbolo I topic-banned Wumbolo] from US politics. It appears from the ANI thread that the page title they sought to have unprotected is related to current US politics, namely, the [[Trump-Ukraine scandal]]. If that is so, they violated the topic ban by making the unprotection request, and an enforcement block is appropriate. I will, however, leave this to admins who are able to access the relevant oversighted evidence. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 16:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Drmies ===
I have little to say about Wumbolo; I haven't yet checked if they were blocked or not. I don't think I was aware of Wumbolo's topic ban--it's possible that I was but I haven't been that interested in their editing. I do know them as an editor who is frequently on the edge of all kinds of POVs, and I've seen them cross that line. So this is not unexpected. Anyway, I have little to add to what is already said here. I consider Wumbolo's efforts (I have not checked all the diffs yet, except for one that Serial# posted--thank you) to be in poor taste, to say the least, and what I've seen appears to be a POV-driven BLP violation to me. As for the SALT, I did what I thought was the right thing considering our BLP, and while it was unusual (the less I say, the better, given the BLP), I would do the same thing the next time regardless of the political stance of the BLP subject, or whatever stance is ascribed to them. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
*{{U|Acroterion}}, thank you. I am now sure that Wumbolo's edits were also an effort to publicize what shouldn't have been publicized. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Cryptic ===
I see Wumbolo's been blocked. That makes me sad, because I, for one, don't understand how this violates protection policy and would have liked to see him explain why, as he offered. Salting the canonical title in addition to the one where bad content has been repeatedly created - as here - seems so reasonable that I've done it myself. Plenty of times. Also hard to reconcile with the very existence of the title blacklist if this is a desysop-on-first-offence breach. —[[User:Cryptic|Cryptic]] 17:42, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Aquillion ===
I'm not even seeing the part of [[WP:SALT]] that Wumbolo is talking about. The policy says {{tq|Administrators can prevent the creation of a page through the protection interface. This is '''useful''' for bad articles that have been deleted but repeatedly recreated.}} Emphasis mine; 'useful' certainly doesn't parse to 'exclusively'.

The policy does say {{tq|Pre-emptive restrictions on new article titles are instituted through the title blacklist system, which allows for more flexible protection with support for substrings and regular expressions}}, which may be what Wumbolo was referring to, but there aren't actually any rules or guidelines to adding to that blacklist that I can see, so even if you take that as an absolute rule, it would mean that Drmies was merely "guilty" of implementing a functionally-identical restriction via the incorrect method, which hardly seems worth dragging someone to ArbCom. The inclusion of that sentence does establish that pre-emptive restrictions on new article titles are something that is ''allowed'', ie. it's clearly something admins are supposed to do in a case like this.

That said, it probably wouldn't hurt to write at least some guidelines for how the title blacklist system ought to be used (I can find none at all). And perhaps note on [[WP:SALT]] about the practice of salting alternative titles. None of that is a job for ArbCom, though. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 17:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

===Statement by MelanieN===
I think I can guess what this article was about, and why any mention of it is being so strenuously kept out of Wikipedia. Not just in this case, but in related articles. If my guess is right, I totally agree with the pre-emptive salting of the title (or blacklisting as Aquillion suggested), as there are very serious BLP issues involved. I was also going to advise wumbolo to withdraw their complaint, but I see they have been blocked for a week for violating their topic ban, and that is well deserved and appropriate. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 18:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Javert2113}} I disagree with your comment, below, that the current one-week block is all that is needed in this case and the matter is settled. A lot of the comments here are suggesting far more serious and recurrent issues than a one-time violation of a topic ban. IMO there needs to be discussion/consensus here about whether to take any further action with regard to Wumbolo - and if so, whether to take it via ArbCom or in a less formal venue. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 21:58, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by NorthBySouthBaranof ===
This seems like an obvious example of abuse of process to make a [[WP:POINT]] by Wumbolo and should be dealt with accordingly. [[User:NorthBySouthBaranof|NorthBySouthBaranof]] ([[User talk:NorthBySouthBaranof|talk]]) 19:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by JzG ===
Rewrite after review.

Looking at the logs, Wumbolo has been banned initially from Andy Ngo and related topics, then from US politics and related people. He has just been blocked for a week for this request as a violation of the latter. I did not realise that he was TBANned from US Politics or I would ave blocked due to edits at {{la|Quillette}}, which is a clear breach. So was this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lana_Lokteff&diff=prev&oldid=924777964], and this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Saint_James,_U.S._Virgin_Islands&diff=prev&oldid=924926877] (Epstein's island) - in fact it's quite hard to find any content related edit since his return after the TBAN was imposed in July which is anything other than a breach.

Given that, and the fact that it's hard to see how he would have discovered the SALTing without intending to commit an egregious violation of both the TBAN and BLP, I think the current block should be increased to something rather longer. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]])</small> 21:03, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
: Since extending Wumbolo's block does not require ArbCom, who have better things to do, I have raised it at [[WP:ANI]]. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]])</small> 21:45, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Jehochman===

This relates to attempts to publish the Trump whistleblower’s name, which has not been verified yet and would be an egregious BLP violation if we published it. As impeachment proceeds we are going to get a lot of silly people trying to import political battles to Wikipedia. We should indef block them. Support JzG’s proposal above. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Javert2113 ===
Given the current penalties incurred by the requester, I feel that no further action is required, and that the Committee should dismiss this case, posthaste. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em"> &mdash; [[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 21:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
::My apologies for my earlier lack of clarity. I do not believe action in this matter should be taken by the Committee. Instead, this is a matter for the community; and, so, the Committee should decline to accept this case. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em"> &mdash; [[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 22:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by Dave ===
<s>I like Nicks idea (and to copy their sentence) = Accept the case, handle by motion, block Wumbolo, job done. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color:blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color:navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 21:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)</s>
:Struck as per Wumbolo being oversight-blocked, Case should be declined. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color:blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color:navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 17:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by WaltCip ===
Wumbolo has been indef-blocked. Let's all go off and have a nice cup of tea.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Statement by {Non-party} ===
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
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=== Drmies salting: Clerk notes ===
:''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).''
* {{Clerk note}} {{u|Wumbolo}} has [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wumbolo&diff=925398715&diffmode=source expressed] a desire to withdraw this case request. Unless there are votes to accept in the meantime, this request will be removed in 24 hours. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 22:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
*:{{u|Bradv}}, Wumbolo is now indef oversight blocked, if you weren't aware. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]])</small> 11:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

=== Drmies salting: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/1/0> ===
{{anchor|1=Drmies salting: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small>
* '''Decline.''' <span class="nowrap">[[User:AGK|<span style="color:black;">'''AGK'''</span>]][[User talk:AGK#top|<span style="color: black;">&nbsp;&#9632;</span>]]</span> 12:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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