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Hi. Just wanted to let everyone know that I have made a user script ([[User:DannyS712/DYK claim]]) to easily "claim" reviews. See this at work [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Harry_E._Huffman&diff=prev&oldid=875937057&diffmode=source here]. I'm happy to answer any questions, fix any bugs, etc --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 01:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Just wanted to let everyone know that I have made a user script ([[User:DannyS712/DYK claim]]) to easily "claim" reviews. See this at work [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Harry_E._Huffman&diff=prev&oldid=875937057&diffmode=source here]. I'm happy to answer any questions, fix any bugs, etc --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 01:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

: I'm not seeing the point of this, what is it designed to achieve? [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 13:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

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I submitted 8 hooks, apparently none work, please help

I submitted 8 hooks at Template:Did you know nominations/Lila Gene George, but @Yoninah: seems to have a problem with all of them. I honestly think that the hook "...that American pianist Lila Gene George wrote a piece of piano sheet music of a poem by Algernon Charles Swinburne, an English poet who contributed to the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition?" is a great hook as well as "... that American pianist Lila Gene George studied under composer Nadia Boulanger, one of the leading composition teachers in the 20th century, for nine summers in France?" SL93 (talk) 18:49, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93: My main problem is not with the hooks but with the referencing for the article. I see you added a new hook (above) and will comment on it later. Yoninah (talk) 19:30, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: I added more sources since you last looked, but I do know that there is nothing wrong with local sources. SL93 (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: I wish you had been around to defend my two articles that got deleted for being local subjects with local sources. Yoninah (talk) 19:56, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: It can be a hard fight if there are only local sources. When I created this article, I also had International Encyclopedia of Women Composers. Because of you, I also managed to find Pan Pipes of Sigma Alpha Iota Quarterly, Volumes 73-74 and Flute Music by Women Composers. Flute Music by Women Composers also has biographies for every composer listed according to its Google Books description, but her entry isn't in the free preview (damn it). SL93 (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can also add that she is listed in The World Who's who of Women, Volume 2, but her entry is not fully available to view (damn it again). SL93 (talk) 20:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93: I can view the whole entry for George in Flute Music by Women Composers, p. 44. Do you want me to add dates and places to the article? (BTW it says she studied with Boulanger only from 1971 to 1974.) Yoninah (talk) 22:25, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. I was thinking maybe both versions of it could be added because I don’t know how to verify which one is right. Then maybe just remove the part about how long it was in the hook. I’m on on my way to work now so I can’t do anything for a few hours. SL93 (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: The hook is being questioned as to whether it is interesting. SL93 (talk) 04:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Time cycle

We were initially only going to run a 12-hour time cycle for a week or two, it's been 18 days now, the number of filled preps has just about dried up, and IMO we should probably take a break over the Christmas/New Year period as it's a busy time for most people. The number of approved nominations has not dropped as much as I would have liked, but I think it should probably be two or three weeks before it will build up to a problematic level again, so we can renew a 12-hour cycle again sometime in January if necessary. I therefore suggest we go back to a 24-hour cycle tomorrow (Saturday) assuming that is feasible. Gatoclass (talk) 10:43, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed to switching back to 24 hours soon. We do not have enough editors to maintain a 12-hour cycle indefinitely. That said, we need to address the long-term problem here. Over the first 15 days of December, there were 135 nominations. With the Wikicup beginning in January, this is likely to increase. The average number of approved nominations per day, and the average number of featured hooks per day, need to be equal. We therefore have to a) approve fewer, b) feature more than one set a day, or c) explore some combination of the two. I believe we can potentially kill two birds with one stone by trying to address our perennial "hook interest" questions, but there's other ways to sort this out, too. Vanamonde (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Over Christmas, there are always fewer editors, promoters and admins about. So we should revert back to 24 hours, and we can re-evaluate in early January. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:06, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A shame more of the backlog wasn't cleared but we can always go back to a 12-hour cycle in January once the holiday period is over. Kosack (talk) 11:09, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have not filled any prep sets for the last five days because I have been in hospital, but I have recorded some statistics. On 5th December there were 393 unapproved hooks and 223 approved ones. Today there are 297 unapproved and 173 approved ones. The reduction of 100 in the number of unapproved hooks is impressive and at least partly due to Mifter, who seems to have reviewed a lot of hooks. I will fill some prep sets now that I am back, but I agree with Gatoclass that it might be best to return to a 24 hour cycle in the next few days. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to hear you've been unwell Cwm! Please don't rush back to set building if you don't feel up to it.
Mifter, you have done a terrific job for the last couple of weeks, but I think perhaps it's time you took a break from approving nominations, as the main reason we had to go to 12 hours was because we had too many approved hooks for the page to handle, and we are probably going to get another influx of approved hooks in January. Gatoclass (talk) 11:36, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Temporarily going back to the 24-hour cycle would also resolve the issue of not having enough Christmas hooks for two sets. — Maile (talk) 12:31, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objections with switching back to one set a day around Christmas/New Years. Gatoclass, I'm also happy to pull back on reviewing hooks to keep the overall numbers at a manageable level. My goal was to clear out some of the oldest noms that had not yet been approved prior to the WikiCup rush and it looks like most of them have been handled (also with Christmas next week my general availability will be limited). Cwmhiraeth, I am very sorry to hear you were ill and hope everything is alright. Best, Mifter (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mifter, I don't think there's any problem with you continuing to review hooks; there are currently 123 unapproved hooks, and that number could still be reduced. The key is not getting it so low that people have trouble finding unreviewed nominations to use for QPQs. (The big number is the total hooks, currently 270, and the small number is the approved hooks, currently 147.) I'd like to point out that when we started the shift, with 393 active nominations, 223 of which were approved, the queues and preps were mostly filled (nine or ten), while at the moment only four queues and preps are filled. This means we've reduced the numbers by 40 more than it appears, since we have 40 fewer queue/prep slots filled today; if we had nine queues and preps filled, it would be 230 total noms, 107 of which are approved, which is a reduction of 163 nominations in toto. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:48, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can i have an update on this? Cuz it seems like there's no consensus on the time cycle, which would affect one of the recent promotions I have done. (Prep 5 pictured hook) VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Vincent60030: the new schedule is in the next thread, under "Christmas sets". I returned your promotion to the special occasion holding area for January 1. Yoninah (talk) 14:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas sets

  • Can I suggest we make the change to the 24-hour cycle on December 24th, with Queue 5 and Queue 6 being two sets for Christmas Eve and Queue 1 being a single set for Christmas Day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gatoclass, Cwmhiraeth, Yoninah, Narutolovehinata5, Mifter We have one approved hook for Advent (should be run before Dec 25), two approved hooks for Christmas Eve, and six approved for Christmas Day. Prep 5 right now only has 7 hooks in it, none of which are about Christmas. Prep 6 is full, with no Christmas hooks. I have no objection to the suggestion, but where do we get enough hooks for two sets on Christmas Eve? Perhaps Cwmhiraeth is suggesting we leave things as they are on Christmas Eve, and don't go back to one 24-hour set until Christmas Day? — Maile (talk) 12:24, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's normal to have only one or two themed hooks for Christmas Eve, so three Advent/Christmas Eve hooks distributed among two sets should be fine. Gatoclass (talk) 12:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the six themed hooks for Christmas Day, they are all music hooks with one exception. IMO we should not be running five music hooks in one set regardless of whether they are themed or not. So I would suggest three for the Christmas Day set and the others on Christmas Eve or Boxing Day, or alternatively, we run two sets on Christmas Day with two or three of the hooks in each set. Gatoclass (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When you have decided which prep set is going to be allotted to Christmas Day, anything already promoted to that set can be moved wholesale to another prep set. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:38, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, please be specific:
  • December 23 = Queue ___
  • December 24 = Queue ___
  • December 25 = Prep ____
Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yoninah, I closed the below section, because it was confusing this one. Mifter and I were just probably thinking outside the box, so to speak. Please refer to Gatoclass and this section as to how many sets will happen on Christmas Day. I think Gatoclass can give a more clear idea of what the current plan is for Christmas Day hooks. — Maile (talk) 23:39, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can't read all this. Why not two sets for CHristmas, as for the other days. That's what I planned for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Gerda. We won't have 5 music hooks in one set that way. Can we leave it as Preps 5 & 6 for December 24, and Preps 1 & 2 for December 25? That's the way I filled them. Yoninah (talk) 23:46, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we avoid though to have Arritt on Christmas Day, when few readers look at Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • He's on December 26 right now. I could move him down further. Yoninah (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is a mess. Somehow Prep 6 became the first set for December 25. Queue 4 and Prep 5 just became the sets for December 24, but Queue 4 is totally unsuitable for that date. I need to go to bed now; I'll be back in 9-10 hours. I put a special occasion hook for December 24 in the holding area. Hope this sorts itself out while I'm offline. Yoninah (talk) 00:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yoninah, I think you may have been misled by the promotion changeover processing; as a by-product of the automated process promoting a queue to the main page, the table that shows the times is wonky from the moment the process starts until it completes. Right now, here's the promotion schedule; "Prep/Queue" means that it's currently a prep set, but will be promoted from queue (same number):
  • December 23, 12:00 UTC: Queue 4
  • December 24, 00:00 UTC: Prep/Queue 5
  • December 24, 12:00 UTC: Prep/Queue 6
  • December 25, 00:00 UTC: Prep/Queue 1
  • December 25, 12:00 UTC: Prep/Queue 2
  • December 26, 00:00 UTC: Prep/Queue 3
Will December 26 be the first day where sets run 24 hours rather than 12 hours? It's probably wise to make a definite decision. If we did changeover then, it would give Arritt a full day on the main page. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a heads-up that I am slapping together a quick article on Pancho Claus, as suggested by Maile above. I might be able to find a free image for it, so if another suitable image isn't available it could be used for a lead slot. I will add a link to the nomination when the article is complete so that somebody can quickly verify it. I probably have time to write another quick article as it happens, but haven't been able to find a subject for it. Gatoclass (talk) 03:29, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have reviewed this hook and it is highly suitable for use on Christmas Day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gatoclass, Cwmhiraeth, Yoninah I have moved the approved nomination to special holding area for Christmas Day. Is it possible to move lead hook Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) to Prep 1, which is Christmas Day everywhere except the United States? And then move Pancho Claus to Prep 2 lead hook for the United States Christmas Day? Gatoclass, I like what you did with the article. — Maile (talk) 12:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I did what you suggested, Maile. I'm glad all my work last night didn't go to waste. @Gatoclass: your article is great, but I think you could do more with the hook, like:
ALT1: ... that a "Tex-Mex" version of Santa Claus known as Pancho Claus (example pictured) rides a cart pulled by burros, and distributes charity to poor children? Yoninah (talk) 13:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yoninah I like the ALT1, and have changed it slightly as it takes more than one burro to pull the sled. I would suggest in the image caption to remove "A" as not necessary. Thank you for promoting the nomination. — Maile (talk) 13:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is fine by me too. Gatoclass (talk) 13:49, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. I substituted it in prep. Yoninah (talk) 14:27, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass: I reread the source and corrected the article based on it. The hook needs to be corrected too, such as:
ALT2: ... that a "Tex-Mex" version of Santa Claus known as Pancho Claus (example pictured) wears Hispanic-themed attire, rides a lowrider, and distributes charity to disadvantaged children? Yoninah (talk) 17:34, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, you might want to go back to the original hook, because "wears Hispanic-themed attire" is redundant to "Tex-Mex version" IMO, and AFAIK there is only one, atypical, Pancho Claus who rides a lowrider. Gatoclass (talk) 18:00, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass: OK. I was just trying to add some color to it. Yoninah (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass:, Yoninah the Pancho Claus in the image is wearing a Zoot suit and fedora, which is definitely not hispanic in origins. And that's the Pancho Claus who arrives in a lowrider. That's in the source. How about:
ALT3: ... that one version of Pancho Claus, a "Tex-Mex" version of Santa Claus who brings gifts to disadvantaged children, wears a zoot suit and fedora (pictured), and arrives in a lowrider"? — Maile (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I like that. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm divided on whether we should name Richard Reyes in the hook/image, or just let readers click on the article to find out to themselves. Seeing as how it's the season when there might be little kids out there who believe in Santa Claus, maybe we could just let them be surprised by reading the article. — Maile (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: since Reyes doesn't have a Wikipedia article, this won't go over well at WP:ERRORS. Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess that decides that issue. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 20:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just waiting on Gatoclass's response to ALT3 before promoting it. Yoninah (talk) 20:46, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A person isn't really a "version" though is he? It might work if you substituted "version" with "interpreter". Gatoclass (talk) 09:22, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I think the original hook is the simplest, which is always best. Can we leave it the way it is? Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, leave as is. — Maile (talk) 14:46, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gatoclass, Yoninah I changed "version" to "portrayal". That's a nice actor's definition. It's in queue now, so it would take an admin to change it, but I have no issue if it gets changed back to "version". — Maile (talk) 21:26, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: please change it back to "version". It's not a role, it's a local tradition. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Gatoclass: @Casliber: @Vanamonde: to deal with this, please. Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I mean @Vanamonde93:. Yoninah (talk) 22:38, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Chill. I've been offline. Reverted myself now, so it should be what you want. No big thing. — Maile (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: thanks. It's very frustrating having the queue locked to only admins and everyone seemingly on Christmas vacation. Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please just at the very least keep the Adoration of the Shepherds in the lead hook in Prep/Queue 1 so we do have at least 1 picture hook on the true meaning of Christmas? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is the lead image in Prep 1. We're talking about Prep 2. Yoninah (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've noticed that Tomas Fonacier has been suggested for December 25, as it's his birthday. Still needs to be reviewed though. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done — Maile (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 27

I understood that on 26 December, we return to 24 hours. If not, the Stölzel cantata comes too soon (prep 4), if yes, the pictured Carsten Koch hook (prep 5) comes too late for Christmas and would better be moved to 1 January, 2 January or 6 January. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that hook needs to be shifted too. I really love the picture though...I don’t wanna give it up...but if we swap with Prep 4 lead hook, would that be good? Pinging Yoninah Cwmhiraeth and Gerda Arendt Mifter. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 12:57, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the above thread, I estimated that the Stölzel cantata would fall on December 27, Prep 4. I also tagged it with a hidden note to make sure it stays on December 27. I am returning the Carsten Koch hook to the noms page for promotion in January. Yoninah (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Stölzel should go 27 and no other day. I'd like Koch best on New Year's Day, because his part of the project began with IV for that day, but the image would fit 6 Jan best (because it's from part VI, the only one with all soloists together), also the kind of star on top. Both much later than we have preps for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would be helpful if someone could make a definite statement as to when the timing change is to take place, and then we minions could promote nominations to sets appropriately. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that it's going to be Boxing Day. Gatoclass (talk) 20:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Cwmhiraeth, the Prep 3 set, when promoted to the main page at 00:00, 26 December 2018 (UTC), will be the first to run for a full 24 hours, and after that we continue at one set a day. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. We have made a really good dent in the backlog, with nominated hooks down by around 140 and verified hooks down by nearly 100. A good effort by all. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent Approval needed

Oh dear! The DYK queue stands at 0 now...Let's panic erm what should we do? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 12:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What we should do is promote another set! Which I've done. Gatoclass (talk) 15:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe if we went back to one set per 24 hours, it would be far more manageable...... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As you can read in the section above labeled "Time cycle", the sets are in the process of being returned to one set a day after Christmas. Yoninah (talk) 18:40, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other ideas welcome

Please see discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Peng Shilu. Yoninah (talk) 18:41, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the original reviewer has tonsssssss of ALTs to review now :moonface: VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 15:32, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list was archived a couple of minutes ago. Here is an updated list with 35 nominations that need reviewing, which covers all non-current nominations, those through December 17. Right now we have a total of 263 nominations, of which 144 have been approved. Thanks to everyone who reviews these, especially the one from October those from November.

Over two months old:

Over one month old:

Other old nominations:

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Credit template problem in next queue

Gatoclass has changed a hook in Queue 3 and added its corresponding credit template, but left the removed-hook credit templates unchanged. Since of course I'm not an admin, could someone fix this for me please? The NMS Mărăști and NMS Mărășești credits should not be given out. L293D (☎ • ✎) 21:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, thanks L293D. Merry Christmas, Mifter (talk) 21:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Admin needed to change DYK back to 24 hours (one set per day)

If an admin could please change us back to one set per day immediately, it would be greatly appreciated.

To do this, on page User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates, please change "43200" to "86400"; that will instantly adjust things to one a day. (In case you're wondering where 86400 comes from, that's the number of seconds in 24 hours).

Pinging a few admins, including Gatoclass, Cas Liber, Maile, Vanamonde, Mifter, and Alex Shih, to increase the chances of this happening so the next queue is promoted 21.5 hours from now rather than 9.5. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Alex Shih (talk) 02:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Picture slot, Queue 5 – Raymond Arritt

Discussion moved back to nomination page. Please comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Raymond Arritt.

This is the current lead hook for Queue 5 (nomination page, contributors to the discussion and promoter: Flibirigit, Gerda Arendt, me, Softlavender,Vincent60030, Yoninah, Narutolovehinata5). I have a few concerns:

  1. As it stands, this leaves open the possibility that Arritt's IPCC involvement did not necessarily occur before the Nobel Prize was awarded.
  2. Arritt and the other ISU academics were not contributors to the IPCC, they were contributing authors to one or more IPCC reports.
  3. The credits are a little strange: DYKmake for IntoThinAir and Softlavender, DYKnom for Flibirigit, Gerda Arendt, and me. IntoThinAir is the main author, Flibirigit nominated the article based on suggestions from Gerda and me, and did the QPQ. I am not sure, however, why Softlavender's article contributions ([1] [2] [3] [4] [5] adding 3.5% of the text) – important minor edits and tweaks though these are – are DYKmake-worthy when my edits ([6] [7] [8] adding 17.5% of the text) are not? Do others think I have earned a DYKmake credit?
  4. I think the hook needs changing, perhaps to something like:

I am sure these are too wordy (the 'a's are probably ok), but at least they are accurate. I believe that the current hook is not and so some change is needed. Thanks. EdChem (talk) 06:36, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Although informational, I think all the hooks are way too wordy. And I don't think it should be having so many shortforms. I don't find these attractive. If you ask me, I would still let the approved one in the queue to proceed. Sometimes for a DYK things are ommitted so it's normal. About DYK credits, I think you should ask Flibirigit about this. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 06:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don'zt believe that we need to mention Al Gore at all, - could be "a shared Nobel Peace Prize (with a link). I also don't believe we have to be overly precie in any DYK hook. Yesterday, the German Wikipedia ran this hook: "de:Fröhlich soll mein Herze springen!" We could return to his cute math, remember ALT2? Once there, do you remember I suggest to run it on New Year's Day? - Peace and Sharing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I get the ALT3b's as under 200 characters and with no initialisms (added second after comment from Gerda). In the original, Arritt is described as a contributor to the Panel that won the prize, whereas he was a contributing author to two of its reports. If we leave this as it is, it is likely to get commented on as an ERROR. I'm fine with omitting information but not fine with factual inaccuracies. I would have gone with one of the proposed hooks with the Arritt quote, but these were rejected on the nomination page. (posted after (edit conflict)) EdChem (talk) 07:15, 26 December 2018 (UTC) and edited 07:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber, Gatoclass, Vanamonde, Mifter, and Alex Shih: I recommend this hook be pulled from the Queue and returned to the nomination area for further discussion. Flibirigit (talk) 02:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Flibirigit: So are you gonna reconsider the credit claim for EdChem? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 06:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
May I also offer to substitute with Template:Did you know nominations/Regolith-hosted rare earth element deposits? VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 07:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Once we discussed so much here, I wouldn't do it because this is the more visible spot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3b1 and 3b2 are inaccurate, as they imply the IPCC won the Nobel for the 2001 and 2007 reports specifically, when in fact it won for its "decades" of research. Gatoclass (talk) 10:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have pulled the hook while it's still under discussion. Gatoclass (talk) 10:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: could you please replace the empty hook with the one I suggested? Thanks VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 10:49, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you want that hook in the lead slot Vincent60030? Gatoclass (talk) 10:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to replace it Gatoclass VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 12:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass: the Loschbour man hook at the end comes with an intriguing image; not sure why that wasn't kept for a picture slot. You could pull one of the quirkys from the preps, and I'll put in another quirky there. Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I had to pull that hook too Yoninah, due to problems identified at WP:ERRORS. I'll look around for some replacement hooks a little later. Gatoclass (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Gatoclass: well. There are no special occasion hooks here, so you could swap the whole set with one of the prepared prep sets. Yoninah (talk) 13:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but then I will be up half the night vetting all the new hooks, it's much easier for me to just find a couple of extra hooks to plug into the existing set. Gatoclass (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm much more concerned about accuracy of the hook than I am about credit. I take Gatoclass' point that my ALT3b1 and 3b2 can be read as the Nobel Prize being for those reports specifically, so I guess we need to think more about how to get an accurate and concise hook. EdChem (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT4: ... that when the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize went to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, researcher Raymond Arritt (pictured) said "It's kind of neat: I have, like, .002 percent of a Nobel prize now"? (This was ALT2 in the nomination.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns for Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts

This is regarding Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts DYK currently on Queue 6. The article in question contains Gyan Publishing House reference which is not a WP:RS per this & is listed on WP:MF. I suggest removing the ref from the article and pulling the DYK down if possible. - 58.27.134.35 (talk) 09:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@58.27.134.35: I have removed the reference. Thanks for notifying. As the DYK is using another reliable source, it is not affected. Thanks again VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

December 31

Could Template:Did you know nominations/The Death of General Montgomery in the Attack on Quebec, December 31, 1775, (approved), be scheduled for December 31? Thanks, Zeete (talk) 15:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Next time you have a special occasion hook, please make sure it's moved to the special occasion holding area. Yoninah (talk) 15:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, will do. Zeete (talk) 16:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For the same date: It happened again that I missed a birthday nomination, Template:Did you know nominations/Wolfgang Unger, help welcome, - would be nicest on his birthday even if he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I cleared a slot for it in Prep 2. Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greta Thunberg

@Gfosankar and Yoninah: in Prep 5, there is the following hook:

Her birth date is not cited in the article. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • This source from Der Spiegel gives her birthdate as January 2003, making "16-year-old" correct regardless of the date in the month. That could be added to the article, even at the loss of accuracy. Black Kite (talk) 20:14, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Queue tweak

In Queue 6, the quotation marks around Bleed India with a Thousand Cuts should not be bold. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Vanamonde (talk) 05:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews mixed up

For my DYK nom Rami Barracks, I reviewed Walter LaFeber. However, as I looked now at the approved DYK noms list, I surprisingly noticed that my review is located under Guêpe-class submarine, which is totally incorrect. Hopefully, the error can be corrected. CeeGee 10:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain, because I don't see that. Or was something corrected already without saying so here? Which you could do yourself as long as the noms are not closed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ohh! I guess it was indeed correct, and I was confused. Sorry about taking your time. CeeGee 14:02, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem, that was a quick search following "What links here". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 1:German speaker

  • ... that after hearing Gert Westphal recite works by Thomas Mann (pictured), Mann's widow Katia described him as "des Dichters oberster Mund" (the poet's principal voice)?
@Gerda Arendt:@Mifter:@Cwmhiraeth:
Even though this is the image hook, I daresay it won't get many hits. It moves quickly away from the main subject (Westphal) to Thomas Mann and his widow, and then doubles back at the end, making it hard to parse. I think that a hook focusing on Westphal himself, even without an image, would be better. I suggest:
ALT1: ... that Gert Westphal, one of the best-known speakers in German, was described as "der Caruso der Vorleser" (the Caruso among recitators)? Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I also think we should write the hook in English and skip the German. Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion was long already, as you probably know. The praise from the widow of one of the greatest writers in German is much better than some comparison with an opera singer, which seems far-fetched - I heard him (Westphal), he had nothing typically operatic in the presentation of literature. Also this hook doesn't say who said so and why. Reading Mann was his specialty, and is very much about him. - We need the German because the translation is free, "Mund" means "mouth", and "oberster" means "highest" or "top". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I hear you. I don't have any other solution but to keep it as is. I still feel that it, and the image of two people who aren't Westphal, is confusing. Yoninah (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The original hook isn't even grammatically correct. "Him" would grammatically refer to the most recent matching noun, Mann, even though the intended meaning is for it to refer to Westphal. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Right. So now we have:
... that after hearing Gert Westphal recite works by Thomas Mann (pictured), Mann's widow Katia described Westphal as "des Dichters oberster Mund" (the poet's principal voice)?
Getting worse by the minute. Yoninah (talk) 01:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there no particular reason why we can't just go with something like 'described Westphal as "the poet's principal voice"' and just omit the German? The translation doesn't have to be exact as long as it's accurate. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:35, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There many "no", not sure that I get the question, but she didn't say "voice" nor "principal". - You could, however, write something in English that is not a quote. I can't do that in short, lacking language to do so, along the lines of: "understood her husband's prose and read it convincingly/ideally as if he had written it himself". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I much prefer Yoninah's proposed hook, it's much easier to understand and more accessible to the general reader, I got the point immediately upon reading it, whereas with the other hook, I'm not even sure if the quote is meant to refer to Thomas Mann in particular or poets in general. Gatoclass (talk) 08:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Do ypou believe that our young generation even knows who Caruso is? We recently rejected a hook because we were afraid they don't kow what the Scala is. - Repeating: star attitude and operatic behaviour was nothing he stood for, but Thomas Mann was. In reading the dialogue of Strauss and Hofmannsthal, he was the sensitive writer, of course, and Fischer-Dieskau the composer. Should I add that to the article and make a hook from it? As much as I love Italian opera, it has nothing to do with him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need to have anything to do with him, it's an analogy, and a very effective one which gets the point across about what this person was good at, whereas the other hook is an arcane head-scratcher. Also, far more people know who Caruso is than Mann, so it's a much more accessible hook. Gatoclass (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On reading this thread, my principle question is, why does it matter which of these rather similar hooks we use? I don't suppose Gerda is bothered how many people actually click on the link. She wrote the article because Gert Westphal was someone that interested her, and I see little point in twiddling around the hook to try to get a few extra clicks. Let's reserve our energies for spotting actual errors, the kind that Fram pounces on! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Cwmhiraeth, these hooks are not similar. Too many personalities are involved in the original hook. If Gerda thinks it's important to say that Westphal recited Mann better than any other poet, then please write that straightforwardly in the hook and source it in the article. Yoninah (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominators are rewarded by getting their article on the main page, but that doesn't mean we must promote any hook just because it happens to be the nominator's preference. The interests of the readers take precedence, which means that hooks should be as interesting and engaging as possible, and in this case, Yoninah's proposed hook is much more interesting in my opinion. Gatoclass (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gatoclass, why - if we have only room for one analogy - should we use an Italian famous tenor, when the subject was a German modest recitator of literature. It's a wrong analogy. Better stop then before using it, "... that Gert Westphal is one of the best-known speakers in German", only that "speaker" is so ambigouos that is also seems a waste of characters. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The closeness to the Mann family can be seen at the graveyard. - I added the fact mentioned above to the article, something to play with:
ALT2: ... that Gert Westphal and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau recited from the correspondences between Zelter and Goethe, and between Hofmannsthal and Strauss? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly this feels even more complicated; sometimes less said is better. For disclosure, I actually don't see what's wrong with the original hook and think it's fine as long as the German part is removed; is there no reason why we can't stick to a variation of that instead? As for Yoninah's proposal, it's also fine but the nominator doesn't seem to be fond of it. With that said, ALT2 IMO is the worst option thus far, as it doesn't address Gatoclass' concerns (i.e. familiarity to a broad audience), since the only really recognizable names there would be Stauss and maybe Goethe. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New User script

Hi. Just wanted to let everyone know that I have made a user script (User:DannyS712/DYK claim) to easily "claim" reviews. See this at work here. I'm happy to answer any questions, fix any bugs, etc --DannyS712 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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