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Buriel Clay Theater

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Non-notable theater created by a upe sock. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - this seems like the sort of topic which would be notable. It has been around for awhile (since the 1980s as far as I can verify), but I don't really think that makes it "historical" as the article claims. Otherwise, I'm having a hard time finding in-depth coverage about this, even from local San-Francisco sources. According to the article African-American Shakespeare Company the theater is inside a city-owned complex, so the theater structure itself is highly unlikely to be or become notable. Creator is not identified as a sock, but certainly UPE is involved. I can't find notability here by any definition, despite searching for sources. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 21:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 21:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. GameInfirmary Talk 21:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment a theatre company would usually be notable I think. What is “UPE”? —Doncram (talk) 16:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

How do you figure “usually notable”?CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 22:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

That reply seems kind of unfriendly, unnecessarily. Sorry I can’t format better from my current device. What is a “upe sock” please? If there is a sockpuppet report or other evidence about what that is, could someone please link? —Doncram (talk) 23:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

What on earth was unfriendly about my question? I am on a mobile device and responded as efficiently as possible. UPE is easy to put into the search bar but it means undisclosed paid editing, so with that being said can you please explain what policy guideline or outcome supports such a statment as a “a theater company would usually be notable?”CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

UPE is easy to put into the search bar but that doesn't help; there is no definition of "UPE" and no mention of "undisclosed paid editing" wp:UPE, which I had looked up already. The best guess (which I knew didn't make sense) I could make beforehand was that it stood for unpaid editing. Thank you for answering what it stands for, to you and perhaps to some others; if it is not defined I think the term should be avoided.

Anyhow there is no evidence here in this AFD or at the article Talk page that there was any paid editing here, and frankly I highly doubt that someone was paid for this page. I removed the negative tag about this from the article. Further at the editor's Talk page I see that they have been blocked with accusation of possibly engaging in paid editing, though I see no real evidence there either. I see the editor created a couple pages about musicians that might have involved copyvios, but there is nothing wrong apparent here.

About demand made that I explain myself, I was basically agreeing with User:78.26 who stated "this seems like the sort of topic which would be notable." African-American Shakespeare Company as a company is notable; I am very aware that historic theatre spaces/buildings are very often notable and listed on the National Register of Historic Places because of their importance to their communities (not saying this one is listed). The term "MAD" in the deletion nominator's chosen username suggests anger, and the AFD itself is a demand that others pay attention, and the nomination seems grounded in anger about paid editing without evidence. In this context then not answering a question about jargon used in the nomination and making a different demand upon the questioner (me) instead, comes across as angry to me. I hope this helps User:Chrissymad understand where I was coming from in reacting to their comment which I found inappropriate. --Doncram (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Couldn't find indepth coverage, it all seems to be "here is the current play", nothing about the theatre itself. --GRuban (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
• Keep, although probably move to African American Arts & Culture Complex and develop further. This is one of the theatres in that complex. Assuming this is about a somewhat historic, somewhat prominent theatre space, I would be glad for this to be kept outright if any more direct sourcing can be found. It is useful to define whom the place is named for, and I believe it is common for readers to look up information about theatre venues in Wikipedia. It is a theatre venue and/or a theatre company; we routinely have coverage of large and historical venues (although it is debatable whether this one is large enough or historical enough); and there is an obvious good alternative to redirection (which would be redirect/merge if African American Arts & Culture Complex already existed, but that is a redlink currently, so move and develop to be about the entire complex instead). The complex is larger and more obviously notable; it is a bigger public attraction (e.g. listed as a travel destination in TripAdvisor). Per wp:ATD we are obligated to seek alternatives, here is a good one. --Doncram (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)