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– The only other person known as Olivia Grant has come out as non-binary and changed their name to Olive Gray. 2A00:23C6:880C:E101:A18F:AC91:9177:E79F (talk) 13:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and WP:ONEOTHER. No need for the Olivia Grant disambiguation page. Any confusion between the two names is best handled via hatnotes. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There's no longer any other article using the title. A hatnote would be appropriate. Station1 (talk) 05:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Olivia_Grant indicates that in September, there were 68 visits to Olivia Grant, which led to 14 visits to the first entry, and 11 to the second. For August we see from the graph that the ratio was much the same. That is not a substantial difference, nor is either of them anywhere close to getting most of the traffic for the name; if readers are still looking for this person under the other name and this level of interest is comparable to the other person, there is no primary topic for "Olivia Grant" and the disambiguation page should stay. (Oppose.) --Joy (talk) 09:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why? A hatnote performs exactly the same function as dab page when there's only one other topic. Station1 (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Station1 Because if we move the primary topic to where we only know for sure that 20% of people wanted to go (that's 14 out of 68), that means we risk confusing up to 80% of readers, which would go against the principles described at WP:ASTONISH. In general, this is still a low level of traffic, too, so it's hard to even make estimates as to what the average reader wants, and in that case presenting a clear list seems like a no-brainer. --Joy (talk) 10:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think WP readers are so easily confused, certainly not 80% of them. Station1 (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid it's hard to find support for your opinion in the observable data. --Joy (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BTW in the meantime, WikiNav got updated for October, and now most graphs don't render at all, with the middle one showing incoming traffic at just 39.

Also, my edit to match the manual of style for disambiguation pages happened to get reverted by 162 etc. referencing another section of the manual of style for biographies saying don't use deadnames, but I'm not sure it's correct - surely if Olive Grey hadn't been notable as Olivia Grant their inclusion into the disambiguation page (or hatnotes) would be superfluous in the first place? --Joy (talk) 03:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I think I see now, there's a gendered word in the disambiguation marker that could imply continued misgendering. Does it make sense to create Olivia Grant (actor born 1994) then to satisfy both sections of the manual of style? --Joy (talk) 12:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There are two notable people who have had this name, and one ceased to use the "Olivia Grant" name several years ago, leaving us with just one person who is notable for contemporary work under this name. Agree with Roman Spinner and Station1 that a hatnote pointing to Olive Gray would also be useful. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Joy. There is a clear absence of primary topic here, given the outbound clicks... and also I don't think either can claim to have resounding long-term significance over the other. Whether the younger Olivia still uses the name is irrelevant per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; clearly people are still searching for them under it. — Amakuru (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. JeBonSer ^{(talk | sign)} 03:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Roman Spinner, currently unnecessary identifier. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 – The only other person known as Olivia Grant has come out as non-binary and changed their name to [[Olive Gray]]. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:880C:E101:A18F:AC91:9177:E79F|2A00:23C6:880C:E101:A18F:AC91:9177:E79F]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C6:880C:E101:A18F:AC91:9177:E79F|talk]]) 13:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Reading Beans|Reading Beans]] ([[User talk:Reading Beans|talk]]) 18:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
 *'''Support''' per nomination and [[WP:ONEOTHER]]. No need for the [[Olivia Grant]] disambiguation page. Any confusion between the two names is best handled via hatnotes.&nbsp;—[[User:Roman Spinner|'''Roman Spinner''']] <small>[[User talk:Roman Spinner|(talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roman Spinner|contribs)]]</small> 20:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)