User talk:Black Kite

Skyrise

Might think I’m involved, I’d rather not have that be an excuse to feel aggrieved or I’d block. Doug Weller talk 20:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Which, hi Black Kite and Doug Weller, if I may, I would be perfectly fine with. I saw disruption and placed a block to prevent it from continuing; just like with page protection, the result can be reasonably conceived as unfair by some (or even many). I won't place blocks I see no urgent need for in such a situation; contrary to the edit warring, civility is well-discussable in a longer discussion at ANI in my view. Temporary civility-related blocks of experienced editors are usually punitive and meant to be such, even if this is denied with a scared look to the blocking policy. I placed a one-week partial block; this is helpful to stop an edit war (it did!) but less likely helpful to resolve experienced editors' civility issues. Skyerise either agrees that there is a problem and apologizes, or won't be convinced into agreement by a one-week partial block. The only point of that block could be making them afraid of future blocks, and remaining forcedly civil in fear of blocks. I didn't see myself doing that, so I simply didn't; I don't have to. There are many others who can if they so desire. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

(doesn't apply to indefinite blocks; if placing an indefinite block is the idea, please say so: That would be an entirely different discussion and unrelated to fairness regarding a 1-week partial block.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

ToBeFree I am not taking any action on Skyerise as I blocked them last time and have been involved with their shenanigans a few times. My concern is that Skyerise may consider that they have "won" this battle despite their behaviour being seriously sub-par; we usually block editors for calling others racist. Hopefully they will take this episode into account, but there is clearly an issue here. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 21:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Blocked for a month - their last block was for 2 weeks. Meanwhile, their talk page has been semi-protected for almost a decade.[1] That seems an overly long time. Doug Weller talk 11:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

(Followed from ANI) They (SR) certainly have a history of appearing on ANI. Secretlondon (talk) 19:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I was looking at their talk page yesterday, and saw the talk page protection and haven't yet found the reason for it. The log isn't very clear on it. And protection policy suggests that semi shouldn't be pre-emptive.

I get the "feeling" that this might be a left over from the past when once-upon-a-time, "vandal fighters" were allowed to have their talk pages semi-ed.

I don't know if that's still common practice. - jc37 13:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I believe that Skyerise has had more than her fair share of stalkers in the past, which may have something to do with it. MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE IS REAL EMO!_{(talk or whatever)} 13:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, as the semi was apparently added under a different username, I think we could probably drop it as a test to see if it's still necessary, as we sometimes do with other pages. And if it is still an issue, it can always be re-added. Though, of course, I'm saying that as merely blindly following policy, without knowing the specific circumstances of their situation, as I still haven't found the initiating discussion for it. - jc37 14:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, found it. [2] - was protected back in 2011 for a month. And then later that year for "persistent vandalism" (from an IP) by User:HJ Mitchell. You should be able to see the edit history here.

With those as the reasons, I think the protection can probably be dropped now, per policy. - jc37 14:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I also found this and and this. Concerning the same IP(s) noted in the link above. The IP apparently stopped editing in 2011. - jc37 15:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

See this too. MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE IS REAL EMO!_{discuss real emo here...} 00:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The apparent resolution of which, sounds like another reason that the ongoing talk page protection is unnecessary.

I typoed their username earlier, so I don't know if the ping went through, but I'd like to ask User:HJ Mitchell what he thinks at this point. - jc37 19:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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