User talk:Tenryuu

How is it that you are such a good copy editor?

How do you do it so well? Regards from the guild’s newest copy editor. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 18:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, lots of experience, lots of critical reading, and the open-mindedness to learn about different cultures (I added this last point because it does affect the way people write).

While copyediting is a lot of technical fixes like grammar and spelling, a big part of it is being able to understand what the primary editors are trying to say and the best way to convey it in formal English. There are some times where the English is spelt correctly and grammatically correct, but is used strangely and is unfit for an encyclopedia. When I take a request, I go through a process (you can take a look at said process here) because there's an active editor with whom I can converse with. My general rule is to go through (at least) three revisions:

1. Read the article for the first time and correct any obvious errors; this usually takes the longest. If something is unclear, use invisible comments and remember them for later. When the first revision is done, go to the article's talk page, ping the active editor, and use the invisible comments as questions to ask. I generally like using the {{tq}} template to quote sentences to refer to them.
2. After at least half a day (and hopefully with answers), go back to the article and fix up the problem spots that the questions came from while catching any stray errors. Update the active editor on the questions that have been answered and those that need further clarification.
3. After at least another half day, read any new answers the active editor gave me and incorporate them; they should usually be clear enough such that I don't need to ask for more clarity. Carefully reread the article from top to bottom. If satisfied, let the active editor know their copyedit is complete.

A good example of my process is over at Talk:Via Giulia.

With backlogged articles it's a little different. They are not requested, and because of that, there usually isn't an editor who is particularly keen on striking a dialogue compared to one who requests a copyedit. If they're small enough one short quick revision is usually enough. For a longer article, I generally skip the question phase with these and finish a big first revision, then wait a few hours before returning to it to look at it a second time.

Here are some things that I think make a good copyeditor:

• Know and learn about the subject as much as you can. Even if it is something you have never heard of before (which is usually the case for us copyeditors) do some research on the topic. If you don't know, ask another editor or look up other Wikipedia articles for more information. This also includes the variant of English used in the article.
• Read the article out loud. Sometimes errors aren't apparent until you read them aloud, particularly with pauses like commas, semicolons, and periods.
• Do multiple revisions and space out breaktime in-between. This is probably the most important thing. Just like teachers tell you in school, never assume that you can do the best job that you can on your first draft. With long articles copyediting can be tiring, which causes us to overlook some errors that would have been obvious. I can't count the number of times where I re-checked my work and needed to fix up some errors. Space revisions apart by hours and do something else, so that when you come back you are not fatigued from checking it and subconsciously deeming everything correct.

I hope that helps! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I will use your advice. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Just one question, how do you do invisible comments? Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, two methods:

• If you are using the VisualEditor: go to the toolbar and click on Insert. The dropdown menu will have an item called "Comment". Click on that to add it to where your cursor is and fill in the text field with the comment you want to leave.
• If you are manually typing it in (this also works in VisualEditor): enclose your comment with <!-- and -->.

Look for my invisible comment somewhere in this reply. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Found it. Thanks again! Also, I only use the Visual editor for things I can’t figure out in the source editor BTW. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

In this case, I think the definition of “long article” is somewhere around 1K words. What do you think? (I usually only do one copyedit on say, a 100 word article because you can see the whole thing at a glance...) Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 23:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, it's really arbitrary. Length is a big factor, but how much reworking needs to be done is also important. Too many things to fix gets really tiresome while too few things means you're less likely to have a critical eye to evaluate the article as you're lulled into a false sense of security. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

ANI recusal – now moot

Hi, Tenryuu,

Thanks for your reply at the ANI thread. The thread was closed within 15' after that, so the issue is now moot, but I still wanted to let you know I appreciated both your reply to me, as well as your involvement generally. Has anyone nominated you as an admin, and would you like to be? I know for a fact that they need good candidates, and I think you could be a valuable addition to the corps. Mathglot (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mathglot. I'm flattered, but I don't think I'm quite admin material yet (as you could see with some of the policy misinterpretation). I generally hang around in the realm of copyediting (though I prod WP spaces occasionally), but who knows what the future brings? Again, thanks so much for your kind words. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

I thank you for attempting to explain that my two comments refer to behavior on two different talk pages. I do not posses the never ending patients of Robert. I wish I did- but the ridiculousness of the past week has been unbelievable. My first ani case against me. Nearly ten years of editing, one year as a drn volunteer and this one is the one that I’ll remember. Unbelievable. But.... for now at least, it’s over. Thanks for the support. Nightenbelle (talk) 02:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

sorry one talk page and one ani board. To clarify in case someone comes back to quote this later. Nightenbelle (talk) 02:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Nightenbelle:, I totally know what you mean. I feel like we need to print up "I was there" or, "I survived the ANI thread from Hell" T-shirts, or something. Drop by my Talk page, anytime you want to rant, let off steam, or klatsch. Tenryuu's invited; we'll make it a three-some. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you! Lol always good to have some place to vent!! Nightenbelle (talk) 11:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Nightenbelle: You are most welcome. I was surprised to see it went as far as an EW claim levied against you, but thankfully everything seems resolved.

Haha, Mathglot, I might take you up on that offer sometime! Also, thanks for demonstrating the use of that divbox on the talk page. I might never use it, but it looks like it could come in handy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Nightenbelle, Mathglot, and Tenryuu: I know the situation you all encountered at the ANI, recently, was emotionally and mentally draining but I thought you all handled it well, considering what you faced. I just stopped by to encourage you and compliment you on trying to resolve it and maintaining civility. Others do notice your contributions. :) --Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

well thank you Nightenbelle (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, thanks for your kind words. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Yutaka Balletta

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Copyediting

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 – Request complete. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Tenryuu: Do you fancy doing copyediting the Ian Donald article please. I put it through a peer review and they reckoned it needed it. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 13:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Hello! I may be able to look at the article in the next few days. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I'm updating the lede at the moment which give me a bit of time to finish it before you start. That is great. scope_creep^Talk 09:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: If it's all good with you, I can start taking a look tomorrow. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tenryuu, that is fine. I'm three quarters finished the updating the lede and will do the rest tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing it coming into shape. scope_creep^Talk 08:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I think that's everything done on my end, unless there's anything lingering you would like me to review. As a humble request for the future, if you are going to quote someone in prose, please use the double quotation mark character " and not two apostrophes (or single quotes), or ''; this causes the enclosed text to be italicised, which isn't proper style on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Oh, great job again. I will do from this moment forward. Could you copyedit Joyce Robertson please. It is a bit smaller. scope_creep^Talk 08:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I am currently doing the GOCE backlog drive this month, so I'll be busier. I'll be a little freer next month. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Yutaka Balletta

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A Well-Deserved Barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For all the excellent copyediting work you do! Thanks, LunarisTFM (💬 • 📝) 19:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Nanoschool

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Copyediting

Resolved

 – Request complete. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Tenryuu, hope you're doing well. I understand you tend to be busier on the odd months (January, March, ...), so I was wondering if you would have some spare time in April to copyedit Judy Ann Santos?. I've reworked the whole article and may be gearing it up for an FAC run in the future. Also my appreciation and gratitude for your masterclass copyedit on a previous article I've worked with that got to FA. I was hoping I could get your expertise again on punctuations, grammar, flow, etc. I would totally understand if time commitment is limited. Thanks and I hope you are having a great week so far! Pseud 14 (talk) 19:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Pseud 14, hope you've been doing well as well. I should be able to take a look at it next month sometime. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Much appreciate it. Thank you! Pseud 14 (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pseud 14: The backlog drive has ended, so I'll give it a look in the near future. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

March drive bling

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 1st Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copyediting 41 articles during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 1st Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copyediting 113,072 total words during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 1st Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copyediting 11 long articles during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 1st Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copyediting 40 old articles during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 1st Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 23,186 words – during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

		The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
		This barnstar is awarded to Tenryuu for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2022 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

"The Good Doctor"

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I have added the guests that were listed in the appropriate episode. We should continue adding those with articles to episode summaries. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		You've answered a few of my questions at the Teahouse and your answers have always been very clear and very helpful! Thank you for all your kindness and hard work. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 17:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thank you for the re-direct assistance! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 22:24, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

GOCE April 2022 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2022 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the April newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2021. Election results: Jonesey95 retired as lead coordinator. Reidgreg was approved to fill this role after an 18-month absence from the coordinator team, and Baffle gab1978 was chosen as an assistant coordinator following a one-year break. Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Tenryuu continued on as long-standing assistant coordinators. January Drive: Of the 22 editors who signed up, 16 editors claimed 146 copy edits including 45 requests. (details) February Blitz: This one-week effort focused on requests and a theme of Africa and African diaspora history. Of the 12 editors who signed up, 6 editors recorded 21 copy edits, including 4 requests. (details) March Drive: Of the 28 editors who signed up, 18 claimed 116 copy edits including 25 requests. (details) April Blitz: This one-week copy editing event has been scheduled for 17–23 April, sign up now! Progress report: As of 11 April, copy editors have removed approximately 500 articles from the backlog and completed 127 copy-editing requests during 2022. The backlog has been hovering at about 1,100 tagged articles for the past six months. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Tenryuu To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Your help desk response

You were not on the Teahouse here. Just thought I'd let you know.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

 Self-trout. Thanks for catching that! I flip between the two so often that I sometimes lose track of where I am. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:37, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Ontario references

Hi Tenryuu I know that you keep seeing Ontario references on the monthly timeline pages, there is no need to revert the edits I have been improving my grammar, but you see an edit that does not have good grammar you could revert the edit but check the history pages because there is a User that editing cases without references and keep an eye out for User 99.252.42.107 because he has been editing on there too and another reason is that I have connections with those two provinces I follow the news a lot User talk:S201050066 6:51 am eastern time April 30 2022

@S201050066: Please learn to sign, and I've already told you before: mentioning the provinces on their own when every other country is putting too much weight on Canada, and your grammar is atrocious. Discuss on the talk pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:37, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I just signed my post using the reply button. S201050066 (talk) 16:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

April 2022

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at Monthly Timelines of the COVID 19 pandemic, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. S201050066 (talk) 16:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@S201050066: Nowhere did I make personal attacks in the edit summaries of those removals. Self-revert and remove your warning, or I will seek administrator intervention. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:43, 30 April 2022 (UTC)